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Look at this Got Swayze. We brought Stallone. We brought CR. Yeah, we decided to make this big ass 70s month big 70s movies I have no plan other than we did Star Wars and we bought a lot of goodwill There's a lot of lobbying going on behind the seeds for the for big ass 70s.
Yeah, and for which movies we do Yeah, I feel like we're in one for us like century now who did Star Wars so much leeway So let's do death wish with Charles Bronson. That's next was it worth it. Call him a mad vigilante Call him a hero. Either way.
He's always on target We want you to get out of New York Never make a death wish Because a death wish always comes true And you get to love it All right, CR this is a podcast about death wish with Charles bronson. Yeah and vigilante movies and Charles bronson himself And I think all of them tied together. I think this is such an interesting movie I don't know if it's aged that well, it has a really awful scene in it. Yes, this movie's also 51 years old Um, do you want to start bronson or vigilantes?
I want to start vigilantes. I think okay And the idea of like these normal everyday businessmen becoming Batman in New York City Yeah, and going out and like handing out justice on their own terms Which then you have to read into like the audience reaction to the movies at that time Like why were these movies popular? Well, and that's why we're doing the pod because so you have this cop vigilante era 30 here in 1971 walking tall You big beuford pusser guy for sure. Yeah three of those and that was 30 harry was he's the same Francisco cop It's trying to find a serial killer.
He's start. He's making his own rules. Yeah, that was I think the first he's making his own rules Watch out not a lot of movies about cops who follow the rules No, this one is really set the set the mark though for don't follow the rules Yeah, walking tall share of trying to save his town and he decides to bend some rules and then magnum force was another one with clinton Same same type of thing, but nobody had really put all of it together with normal people until death wish Where it's like what happens this guy's an architect his wife and daughter brutally assaulted his wife dies And he just kind of loses it. Yeah, and this leads to they're still making these I mean I made a list The exterminator with robert guinti in 1980 remember that one.
Yeah, because I didn't because I was remember the name I don't know if I've ever never saw fighting back with tom scared in 1980. I saw in the theater Yeah, I remember that and then he went on to uh top gun death wish to 1982 he moves that way Vigilante robert forester and friend wimston your guy. I don't know if I've ever seen that. Yeah, I didn't even know it existed Death wish three four five falling down michael douglas 93 the substitute our guy tom baredr 96 The brave one jody foster said let me get in on this.
Yeah, this is bad That's basically a variation on this grand Torino 2008 and now it just keeps it's going and going and going Why do we like these and then they remade it with bruce wilts they remade death wish later and we acknowledge that one I just say it happened there's still continuing to do it look the there idea of uh A man whose family has been taken from him and then he goes out to you know dol out revenge is like a pretty durable It goes back to westerns it goes back to like but the idea of placing it in um other small town or an urban environment and having the violence be so Much more extreme was probably pretty new for death wish it's also honestly like kind of a part of a pretty disturbing Primarily 1970 genre of rape revenge movies, which is like more of a horror thing but starts with straw dogs or you know You can market its straw dogs which is a couple years before this or year before this Yeah, and then it's like hell has have eyes and I spit on your grave mostly Um which they made and even like more violent and pretty awful Yeah, and like this so this movie I think is almost more disturbing because it for the first half of it It's so grounded. I mean the entire death wish idea is like this really shy retiring guy who has a little bit of experience in his childhood with guns Becomes traumatized and then actually goes out like seeking out Altercations with people so that you can take out his revenge on on the guys who did this to his my wife was watching this with me For some reason like stethwish. Okay, and when he gets the role of quarters and he's just like i'm gonna take a stroll at night here And she's like I love this kind of want to do this the role of course come come mess with me Uh and that led to the role of uh the sock of sodas and bad boys. Oh, yeah, that's right.
It's a good sock violence Yeah, we had the socks is soap socks in uh in um full nail jacket, right on pile. Yeah, yeah, we should try to get a pyramid gun the Um the social team rushes to their computers So is this a bronsted movie or a new york is falling apart movie if you had to pick one or the other because this is another This is another reason why I find this movie so fascinating We're heading into this world of new york Basically from mid-seventies all the way through the warriors where it's like new york is completely falling apart It is scary. It's weird There's all these little subcultures going on here And you kind of have to take matters in your own hands or you might get run over by one of these gangs or there's things happening over here and over here And there was this lawlessness that's just in all these movies. Yeah, it becomes a character I think it was a pretty wild time back then I to me It's like the other versions of this movie and we'll get to that when we get to Passing what ifs and the development process for this film is there's a version of this movie that's way closer to straw dogs and way closer to Like an erotic i'm dealing with my environment, but i'm a middle-age man kind of movie Yeah, the insertion of brawnson makes it an action movie and then turns it into like an action franchise going forward So I think it brawnson defines it so i'm gonna say it's a brawnson movie When was the first time you went to new york do you remember uh yeah in the 90s it was fine Like my experience with new york has always been that new york is actually not as nowhere near as dangerous as it's like made out to be I think my first time was uh going to mst for wrestling in 1980.
Okay Um with my future stepdad and we're going to get confronted by the warriors But at that point I knew a bunch of these movies. Yeah, and i'm like we're going to new york. It's fucking crazy there You know, I just knew from all the movies I knew from like the yankee games where chamois is game-winning home and everybody poured on the field So in my little kid head, I was like this is like the most dangerous place in the world Yeah, we might like it was when you saw it. No, it was like, oh, it's just a huge big city But the way it was portrayed made me think that it was just like going to the wild blood west I think that there's this cycle that everybody goes through that this movie maybe identifies the anxiety where As you get older it can't possibly be that you're getting older.
It's that the city is falling apart Yeah, and so when I was in New York when I was a kid when I was in my 20s and when I was in my 30s I was just like almost completely blind to the idea of like crazy wild 80s new york Yeah, you know and then as you get older and more and more of your friends are like, oh, it's city It's falling apart. It's falling apart. It's crazy on the subways. It's crazy here.
It's crazy there We got to move to upstate or we're gonna move to california and that's kind of what's driving Some of the drama in the first half of death which it's just like all of Paul's more conservative friends or like We should throw all these people in jail or whatever. Well, that's not what you know proper society does and then it's pushed and pushed and pushed But I think a lot of it is almost like a midlife crisis movie as much as it's like a revenge movie Well, you hit this point when you get older with New York City Where the fact that it seems like there's no ceiling and it's fucking crazy. It's like the best thing in the world Yeah, you're near either late teens or mid 20s where like this place is awesome Yeah, I don't know what the fuck I can get so much fucking here. Oh my god.
Yeah, it doesn't shut down I don't know what's gonna happen in three in the morning and then as you get older, you're right You're like man, New York's falling apart. I just feel like New York's basically been the same probably the entire time I've been alive Yeah, just it's how you portray it bronson the Liam nesan of the 70s Icon unintentionally like that's the thing is like I mean he's obviously always been this iconic action western military character And it's just one of the most unique faces voices and vibes in movie history But the craziest thing about him is to read in reason with him and they're like you made death wish he's like Yeah, I actually don't think violence solves anything He's like this very different kind of guy than the people he played he starts out He's in magnificent seven greatest gate 30 dozen once upon a time in the west in the 60s But he's like one of those guys. He's not he's never the star of a queen But he's like tough. He's fucking ripped Um, something happens he does like the leo and what's upon a time in hollywood Oh, the europe and becomes a huge star in europe making these to get a western stuff Um and then comes back in 72 and 73 he makes chateau's land which I never seen that's another type of Michael winner Yeah, the mechanic which I have seen in the stone killer all of a sudden he's a major star And then in 74 he makes mr.
Majestic and death wish at that point He has his little weird mustache. Yeah that is kind of captivating in 4k blue ray because I did buy this in 4k blue ray Oh, yeah, it's like 1199. I'm like fine. Okay.
Yeah, okay. So it's my arm You guys he go blue Kind of see every mustache air for bronson I can't really fully explain bronson, but there's been a few of these He's basically segull of the previous generation It's hard to explain It's honestly when I look at him when you see him in hawaii when their for the movie is first opening and he's on his vacation with his wife He's being loving with his swimsuit and he stands up You're like that looks like an alien like guys don't look like that anymore where the face is super old But the body looks like somebody took a knife and carved it out of leo and rock and he's never worn sunday Like he's a real like I put on tanning oil guy like I want to get like it's like UV rays It's an insane physique. I I was good to this later. The dr.
Richard Kimball Word this guy's an architect. He's got 2.3 by fact He's got a 12 pack. Um he uh I don't know how to explain him and I think we've had a few of these still own his more explainable because He always had the unintentional comedy. Uh, van dam was always like kind of an unbelievable athlete No, he's had a couple of yeah, he's gonna imitate his accent Schwarzenegger giant to do his accent segull You know, Kyle Brandt and I have tried on a couple movies try to explain him ponytail can't really act Yeah, um something hilarious about him the whole time I don't know where brawnson fits in it really is like a Liam nisa thing because he ducks like this Yeah, and every line he delivers Well, but brawnson, I mean there is an interesting thing where brawnson's like evolving from that character actor or that supporting actor He's so good in those movies like dirty dozen and great escape that you're mentioning like he's good and everything He's awesome, but it's strange to watch him carry an entire film.
I think you're right like my favorite probably performance by him other I think it's once upon a time in the west just because he's so mysterious in that movie Um, but yeah, when you put him front and center like me and lemneeson is like a very accomplished actor before he becomes Mr. Vigilante I have skills like brawnson was more or less like a character actor act like action movie star that then became like The centerpiece of these family someone's competing against like refines people like that and then all of a sudden that's taken and then that's just to be just becomes brawnson brawnson said in 74 That's the play presence. There are never any long dialogues since the establishment character He has to be completely established at the beginning of the movie and ready to work That's it. Yeah, he was yeah, he's like uh, like I don't know like in basketball Like I'm just here to set re to set picks and grab some rebounds.
I'll be protected with a bit Yeah, that's all that's on here for it Don't ask me to really being a big acting scene. I'm gonna have my family just get traumatized on the worst possible way And you're not even gonna be sure if I'm like like that. I'm that about it. We're gonna get into that.
Yeah, uh, just shaking it off um so 75 it is hard times and his movie called breakout that apparently did well And he's the fourth biggest star in that box office thing in 1975 It's Robert Redford barber Streisand alpaccino and charles bronts. Yeah, and that was kind of the I think there's always a guy Now I would say it's datum, right? Yeah, who can get these movies made? But nothing else like wind Goldman always used to write about the movie star Galaxy in the 70s about if you can get redford or if you can get one of these guys newmen whoever yeah Clint you can get your picture made if they want to make it bronts And I don't think could have done all the president's men respectfully.
Oh, well, there's a couple movies that he turned out goes all the way to the top We got we got to keep making calls then it then Bradley I don't know that would have worked bronts. It has been Bradley would have been sick though Instead of robots if he was just gonna speech at the end you better be right Nothing's writing on this other than the future of the country And he guns above that his kiss for diversity. I'm literally gonna kill you He did uh, he turned down the shootest with that became a John one movie one of the last ones He turned on city slickers in 91 because he didn't want to die in the movie He had this I mean the bronts and research I had to find anyone to find like kind of a courtier weirder Like yeah, let's start one normal response to a movie cool. Yeah Yeah, he he would like turn down parts because like the shootest I think that I think that was the one where the guy has has some sort of cancer He's like I don't want to have cancer in a movie.
Just that's it He's out city slickers, which was a great part that one Jack Pounce the Oscar yeah bronts is like I can't die in a movie And just turns it down and it would have been like the crowning and she was old one's the planet time in Hollywood rules He's falling you know I'm not supposed to die. Yeah, Charles bronson He didn't get Cap crone one a movie that I might be the only one that likes and then he he tested first gate from New York and the studio pushed for it Incarpeter printed his snake John carpenter said he's too old Yeah, he was in his 60s by then because he's like in his 50s for death wish right when I Not own Charles bronson and escape from New York on 4k blu-ray. Yeah, I was but if you it's I don't think he could pull off a half of what's Russell does no, I think you need stunt doubles all that stuff he felt like in this movie He said he said I was a really miscast person It was more a thing that would have been better for Dustin Hoffman or somebody who could play weaker kind of man little duck and dry Dustin he's out Because he'd often had just been in straw dogs where that's the entire point of his character. Yeah, yeah still shots fired Michael winner the director said take it will make him a more active and virile architect And we'll make a pop for my underwear virile got in there.
It's not like Charles is like laying pipe there Well, I think is this novel. I don't even I guess in Hawaii, baby Yeah, he tries to uh and then like he kind of he kind of gets a little bit of a bachelor pad going He does there right there's feels like there's a deweeded senior to yeah better nest gourd when he's back out on the When he goes to the prostitute diner to right um in any case The fascinating part about this is adapted from a novel by brian garter. I think what was the line Garfield Garfield and I bought it on Okay, and part of my collection of movies turn books turn into movies There's a version of this movie that is way closer to like say dog day or serpico Yeah, then what we get and I think that's why brian'son was probably identifying how he was he was the awkward fit But then michael winner turns out to be right that they're they've identified uh a 1970s anxiety and Talking point that the movie dramatizes and fantasizes about that I think like captured something Serpico mean streets taxi driver and then at the same time woody alan's making Any hall in a bany hall in me hottinans is like completely different side of new york That seems way more fun. Then by the time we get to the way dades they started bracing new york as like a happy character Yet when harry mensa, do you wish there was a scene where where paul and death wish was walking by any and alvey from any hall?
Yeah, he probably shoots he probably shoots alvey. Yeah, alvey whatever his name was Um, this film became a big deal. Mm-hmm bronson became a huge star um It eventually copycatted it had these copycat vigilante incidents most famously in 1984 which I remember Um because I was living in Connecticut at the time bernard gets Now just wiped out for subway dudes and became the death wish murder and became like it was the biggest story in the tristate area for A year and it felt like something and then it would turn into like people going on talk shows talking about pros and cons of just being able to shoot people wacky air so they're doing that in the media drops in death wish itself Yeah, and I think one of the reasons why this is such an interesting movie to talk about on this pod is this was so such a divisive movie at the time Yeah, the reviews were like next up or this is a deplorable piece of shit that should be flushed down the toilet Uh, and it's true. There was such a spectrum of responses I feel in the same thing with the with the uh, ringer team You know the hush from over here.
I don't know if the guys guys over there. I'd crack might just be like I'm not even reviewing this at the end of it. Um, michael winner the mechanic scorpio It's really good scorpio and uh the stone killer scorpio great title for a movie. Yeah, the per Lancaster I feel like scorpio on probably a good hands.
I don't really need to know anything else. Yeah, it's like cia s s I sure am I sure am he uh He kind of goes off though. They bring him back for death wish to where he goes to la Which if you think if you think this movie has a pretty deplorable assault scene in it Death wish to is like hold my beer and has one of the worst scenes that I actually can't I think there's been Stories written about it. Like it's kind of like the peak of how why did you guys decide?
This was a good idea to do the movie that's gonna be in the theater. Um, and there's a lot of stuff written about just how fucking weird he was michael Winner, okay. Yeah, I don't know death wish to is la death wish three he comes home back to new york FY all of these are on to be pluto wherever you watch a little I refresh my memory about death wish three last night Ed louder from longest yard. I gotta be honest three is pretty solid three is not against three three is goofy as shit Three is like uh paul comes back to new york from la and essentially it gets the green light from cops Yeah to start going around and killing a green light but the thugs are way closer to escape from new york thugs Then the 1970s guys well that was when the we thought Alex winter isn't it golden globus Yeah, and those guys uh, there's a great documentary that we talked about with one of the cobra pots Those guys are just like need a star give me some money.
We're just gonna crank out these action movies We don't care if they're good and they made four death wish sequels unbelievable. Yeah, uh death wish three is not terrible I mean, yeah, it's if you're looking for if you're in that cobra kind of area. You're doing the to be surf It's not terrible. I'm gonna be honest.
I don't I don't hate death wish to either I you just got to skip the first half hour as soon as he's in la like There's five guys. I need to kill. I'm just gonna go through and try to find them one at a time Pretty good. He's a little bit more precise than death wish to there's a great scene in death wish to where I think somebody's on pcp One of the guys who needs to kill and the guy jumps out of window and the cops are coming at him and all of a sudden the guy turns into like Adrian Peterson in the 2006 season just Angel dust no Yeah, no, I know he's shedding tacklers flipping guys over and he fights cops for like a minute I think it becomes a social video every once and a while.
Yeah, I the pcp whenever the anti-pcp lobby it really worked Really scared me out of run and tv and movies where it scared the living hell Yeah, because it was like you do it and there would never be like oh, I'm high It would always be like I'm jumping out of a window or like head putting a car. Yeah Yeah, I remember there was a white shadow episode where somebody went to the roof No, when it really got an after-school special territory And somebody took it and just jumped off the roof of the school Yeah, and was like I can fly and I was like I'm never fucking go PCP though The real danger was like it could be in weed that was always the scary old wives tell they would tell you is like that could be that could be Angel dust and then now we have fentanyl that's the same thing. Yeah, you like to wear what I told my kids Yeah, be careful. Uh this movie was made for 3.7 million and it made 30 million dollars Roger Eber gave it three stars.
What an interesting man Death wish is a quasi-fascist advertisement for urban vigilantes done up in a slick and exciting action movie We like it even when we're turned off By the message That was roach. Yeah, then he said uh Michael winter gives us a new york in the grip of a reign of terror This doesn't look like 1974 But like one of these bloody future cities and science fiction novels about in arky in the 21st century Literally every shadow holds a mugger every subway train harbors a killer the park is a breeding ground for crime Urban paranoia is one thing but death wish is another roach is really The actual new york times called this film irresponsible. Yeah, I think a lot of it. I mean there are a lot of critics Your dad review this Now I think it was a little bit before his movie critic days.
This is 74 I don't think he was doing movies until seven the later seventies think about how he did it though Think about the new york parks and all the shit that was going on from a movie standpoint cruising Yeah, the warriors. Yeah, if you just ever liked it, maybe AI you just merged all these things together in the universe in the 1970s This is a billion dollar idea actually. It's not a billion idea. Yeah, I do this.
Yeah, just put everybody together Sam Altman come on. I want help it, you know from cruising hanging out with Roy Shider and what marathon man Um one other thing about this movie is we talk about titles a lot One of the best titles is this the origin of the term death wish pretty much Sure Okay. Yeah, two more people like man that guy's got a death wish before death wish I don't know how do we find that out as chachi pete chat chat Don't do that It could be a chachi be tear. No, I would assume it popularized it It definitely did right?
I only regret as nobody says the word the phrase death wish during the movie Yes, but it's it's very I think it's interesting that paul is the one that has the death wish You know, like he's the one who's pushing it and putting himself at risk But nobody says you got a death wish man. No, do they ever say that in two or three? I can't remember probably they work in you know, they say it in 48 hours, which I I forgot There you go because Kate Kate says the Reggie they gave me 48 they gave me 48 hours to find out whatever I'm like title Yeah, boom. Um, we're gonna take a break and we're gonna come back and do the categories All right, most rewatchable scene this movie somehow doesn't ever rewatchable scene for 40 minutes Oh my god, I think means you can just come right in 40 minutes Honestly, if you're like if you don't feel like you have the stomach for it I think you can skip to the 40 minute mark you could probably skip to him go into Tucson And then you want to wait for what's age to worst to talk about that scene?
No, let's do it now because I think it's a really difficult point. Yeah, the movie starts there in Hawaii Just great. He loves his wife. Have a great time.
Good vacation comes back. Maui in the 70s looks awesome You know every time we're in Maui. I had this in what's age the best There's been a lot of stuff from the 70s in Hawaii and it's always amazing. Yeah, pretty bunch I remember they went there for three episodes was great Um, also just it's always great to watch it just be like the guy could just walk up to the desk and be like here's my plane ticket No TSA.
Yeah, yeah, right. Well, it also it just seems like you could go on any beach. Just bring a blanket. Yeah, nobody's like excuse me, sir Um, so we they come back and the wife and daughter like let's go get some groceries They decide to get the groceries delivered and jeff gold boom and his two cronies Um, stock them back to their apartment and it's a pretty awful scene.
Yeah that I I honestly I don't understand some of this stuff with the 70s But it really feels like a lot of the goal was to provoke people. Yeah I mean I think it wasn't just with violence. It was with sex or whatever else and it's just like the kind of scene that would just never ever happen No, you know, it's also weird is that I kind of wonder how many times I had actually seen this movie on tv versus the actual film film Good point because I forgot how graphic it was. Yeah, so when I was watching it for this.
I was like, oh shit This is way worse than deliverance. You know, this is pretty but it's pretty close to spit on your grave and some of like the exploitation like grindhouse horrors Yeah, I wonder what do you do that because you're trying to set up like this is why this guy snapped Yeah, but it almost works better if it's a better actor than bronson like that's the thing is like bronson's not reacting that Emotionally to what happened to his wife and daughter So it's like you could do that if you were gonna do maybe some of the other actors that you had and like watch them go into like deep emotional crisis Bronson's just like I guess I gotta go back to my apartment. Yeah, I got a I got a thing to do in Arizona Yeah next week the son-in-law is like dad. We've got trouble.
Yeah, he's he seems not really grasping the stuff either Anyway, it's a weird way to start a movie not gonna defend it But once and in a lot of vigilante movies after the fact And I don't wanna say there's a blanket term, but I think roughly more than half if not 70 percent The violence against the person's family either takes place off screen or is obscured so no like you get the impression of what happened But it's not like hey, let's spend like five minutes watching jeff goldblum do this very strange. Yeah, well the first Watching scene is the role of quarter. Yes, which is just great It's also like why is he in the bank? What's he got in his hand and he's just kind of waiting for somebody?
Yeah, but the best part is when he comes back and he starts swinging the world of quarters around He's like she kind of loses his mind easily the most gippable moment for this. Oh my god. Yeah, it's like swinging it against the thing We're gonna do a best like DIY weapons power ranking. Oh, that's a really good idea.
Yeah, yeah But this is like when the Warriors win with just buddy healed swing quarters around Actual quote for my wife this movie makes me want to go out with the role of quarters and beat up bad guys Okay, yeah, put that put that in our Wikipedia The Wild West Saloon Brawls really good. Yeah, I just wanted to point out is this happen. I like where they do like stage That was an elaborate state. Yeah, I couldn't believe how good that was.
Yeah, I ever see like the Indiana Jones don't spectacular at Disney No, it's pretty cool. Yeah. Yeah, it's cool is that uh, I mean fall off roofs Yeah, there's like they do the whole boulder chase in the Indiana Jones thing like the guy runs away from Boulder. Yeah, it's a Disney I think universal anyway the whole sequence actually it's a sneaky almost best most relajable scene for me like the 10 minute to Sound sequence I do know something about guns in I grew up with all kinds of guns 100 I guess out here you come from gun my mother was the other side of the coin When my father was killed in a hunting accident some fool who stood for deer you see my mother won the toss I never touched a gun sits.
Yeah, just because it really lays the groundwork Not only for what Paul's gonna become get a little bit of like oh when I was a child I used to handle guns all the time Um, but the process is getting better. Thank you He really workshopped in the brown side the Jane shill character is awesome. Yeah, the guy is taking him a Around Tucson and then just the connecting what's going on with the Paul character in 1970s With our perception of what cowboys in the 1870s were like and like the the wild west mythology Wild west justice vigilantes out on the on the open range kind of in the eye. Yeah, I think that could be a good name for your first son Ames Ames quarterback.
Yeah, I can tell my kid. Yeah named him after death wish The best character death wish Uh, kursey's first shooting is my next rewatchable Which leads to then the second shooting which is the three on one. That's one with the movie that would be what's that what's our category? Okay, but the fuck up in the movie goes up a notch.
He's just like looking around and it's like hey There's three guys robbing somebody in an alley. Yeah, I'm gonna take all three of them down um So I really enjoyed the police sergeant in this movie put by joe gardenia He has 40 people in the office. We could be looking for a man who's had a member all members of his family killed by mothers Now He shoots that pistol pretty good Right? Okay combat better So what be it on that's the top of the list because they're young is the toughest Then you can work away for korea and world war two.
Oh my god It's really funny. I love about these 70s new york police movies is just the police station scenes and just which I guess we're all real It all looks like bernie miller at like steroids either that or they were shooting so much Police stuff back then and they were shooting so many movies and tv shows that they had working sets You know so that they were able to like kind of dress it a little bit differently But they would have like a police precinct set a lot of this stuff feels location Like the the first precinct that he walks into to find the detective who's working on his wife's case Yeah, and then there's the guy's like I need my dog. He's key to my income right that whole seems like an actual police station Well, he somehow figures out in 90 seconds check all the murders for the last three months He's probably a combat vet. I think he's a vigilante He just does all this yeah for one alley shooting I think we're supposed to oh child is like supposed to be like this amazing pop-eyed oil level famous cop because he's on people magazine Yeah, it's a major celebrity The subway double murder would be my next scene Yeah, you know kursi's really getting into it because it comes back for the second shot for each guy So make sure you're dead shots like oh you're really yeah Then you'll look all yeah, I think I actually got served a youtube video the other day that is McCauley killing wangro and heat and it's apparently called like moseambique technique And I was like I'm in a bad part youtube when I am now getting weird like soldiers of fortune videos that are praising heat for their kills That's where you have to do the please don't recommend me the Obviously haven't done that yet, but okay.
I got well done that a few times Yeah, yeah, there's one time it I don't know what happened, but it recommended a Dan Levittart clip to me right in there And I said I'm not interested Uh, next one subway platform shooting Kursi's little he's he checking it at the point. Well because the also the really interesting part of this movie is whether or not kursi's getting addicted to the game Oh, no question. You know this one he raises the stakes ends up getting stabbed. Yeah, he's walking right he's flashing money and diners and stuff Yeah, that's when he takes out what does that giant quality has there's just like bill full Yeah, water cash and he's like, uh, how much is my coffee?
Um Next one is the big ending scene kursi on the big park in the park in the promenade. Yeah, guys got a gun at the top We got boom boom Washington at the bottom from welcome back hotter. What other guy? Um shoots all three get shot and then chases the dude we got a little chasing and then passes out ready's like deal your hand Draw And then passes out and then I would throw it at the end just the cop telling him to get out Let's pretend this never happened inspect it by sundown And then that's it because he's like having this fantasy life where he's still cowboy It's crazy, but it's actually like a really interesting portrait of a guy coming apart I don't know always that bronson is like up to that part of the job, which is like the serious side of this movie But he's really good at shooting guys.
So your favorites the saloon brawl I just like as part of the film in some ways the the to son stuff is my favorite part But the last you that is like the iconic this is and he's great Well, one of the reasons this was a rewatchable first of all was on tv like you said you never saw like the really bad stuff This was on tv. I feel like whenever I would turn it on it would be him stalking around new york city and my dad would be like I was gonna do that quarter. Yeah, this was on tv for 40 years And you could always just come in at the roller quarters and just watch him just gunned down that guys for an hour It's basically a western um, I'm going with the same thing What's the most 1974 thing about this movie? Yeah, well isn't creepy scary 1970s near city a movie here who is a korean war vet?
Look at that very often 50 year old Korean war vet. Yeah, twa airlines just walk on there and thank you Howard use the ice on a great Uh the assault saying we mentioned very 1970 for at the overcoats in this movie. Yeah, just the way the guys dress Yeah, there's like these weird the colors are like down and I didn't really understand those and then this is my number one Magazine billboards telling us what's happening in the story through like carpe all the front page New magazine and people magazine and these big billboards of magazines one saw some hit a billboard of a magazine A long time ago pre-end probably decades. Yeah, I would say another 1974 thing for me was guys taking long boozy lunches and being racist Like Sam and ball going to like a long bar and grill lunch in the middle Let's go draw some buildings.
I've had four pops and a steak. I just wish the world was all white people Yeah, can I have another scotch please? Oh one more 1974 thing has anyone eaten liver with spaghetti since 1974 He makes his son long that in what stage the word? Yeah, um if I went to somebody's house and they asked Do I want the liver with the spaghetti or on the side?
I'm out That sounds who eats liver I had liver last fall and I'm just getting over it. Do you guys ever? Do you have ever had liver? No, what what animals liver is it cow cow?
Yeah? Yeah, I mean it was delicious was it but I felt like it was coming off my skin like smell wise for a long time like liver worse Or something that's like a grandpa meal. Yeah, there's just no scenario my dad We were a tongue we used to drive from Philver my and my dad would always stop at a Howard Johnson's on the New York State Throughway, yeah and get liver and onions and I'd like I'm driving with mom now Couple of six Smoking at the table eating the liver and I know he we could put the best special. Yeah, what stage the best?
We mentioned old school 70s police stations. Yeah, really enjoyed that environment Um cities with wildly different views on guns. I think has weirdly aged well. We're in that area still we saw her.
Yeah. Yeah Do you find it comforting to watch stuff that's set in like the 70s or whenever and realize that we're just arguing about the same things forever? Yes, we didn't rather than like oh the world is falling apart. It's like oh it turns out we've been having this fight for a long time Yeah, yeah a lot of the stuff they talk about in this movie like all right.
Yeah, definitely would hear that exchange right now. Yeah somewhere Um, I read this thing was an article about um why people watch the same movies and tv shows over and over again Hmm. It's a big feature. They did a study on it.
Do you know what the answer is? Why? Because it relaxes people because they're not tense when they watch something. Yeah, they don't know where it's going You get a little more whatever and I was like they just described the rewatchables I'll have to tweet that out of the rewatch.
Do you find it comfort like me watching 48 hours last night? Even though I've seen it 395 times right before I thought of sleep I do that with big trouble in little China like 10 times this year Yeah, I'm just like I just want the opening 20 minutes of big trouble in China before I go to bed Right, but that's like it's comfort food. Yeah, it's comfort But there's like an entire like calm's your body down brawl between triads in big trouble. I don't know why it's comforting This is so relaxing Two more what's age the best for me traumatized movie characters who become catatonic.
Yeah, oh, it's like it's a good gimmick Oh, you can't snap out of it. Yeah, snap out of it. She snaps out of it in death wish to Was she comes to Los Angeles, yeah, really? Sergeant frank picking up the people magazine that he's on I really enjoy it.
Yeah, looking at the cover What do you have? I have Charles brawns since Beachbody uh stage the best, but it's also like not a body. You see anymore um, Paul becoming addicted to the hunt is really cool like even after they're like hey, all you have to do is just get out of town Like we're we're cool to look the other way on this one and he's like, I know I really love it Yeah, you get the taste yeah, uh and then all the New York media coverage of of of Paul like giving him a nickname all the like press conferences Yeah, it's really it's kind of amazing to watch like the the churn of newspaper and tv journalism back then pre like any kind of internet and just the Depiction of that I miss it Denithy's Ben Hano where it seats in location. I got sex worker diner Interesting seems like an incredible cast of characters in there the lady who's like there goes the pussy posy That's like a film within a film.
Yeah, you're right. I had the part that last park shoot out Yeah, the stairs just like really well done Meanwhile pachino and cruising's over in the little tunnel on the side the baseball theories are walking by Uh, what do you have for great chagordo most of thematic? Uh, it's pretty pretty disturbing but all the weird wide angle lenses of uh, the mother and daughter like kind of hanging out in the apartment before The thugs get there. There's like it just makes you feel so on edge because you're like, why is it almost like fish?
I yeah the way they're sitting on the bed and talking and I think it's it really gets under your skin as does obviously the subsequent sequence Kid cuddie pursuit of happiness the word dude. Herbie Hancock. That's needle drop fucking cooking in this herbie's cooking Absolutely amazing score. Can I give you one other candidate?
Yeah, paul kersie when he invites the son love or his last He's blasting game show music and making liver and spaghetti and it's like I was a son of a lie would have been like, you know dad. There's a bed right next to uh That's like he had to website called better help. Yeah, I think you should call Um, he's just lost his mind at that point. Yeah, why isn't he playing like disco or I don't know like jeff roe tole?
I love you turn it up. I can't hear it. Well, I really like it live a The chess rock wall and brock landers award for best character name aims gientio good is the guy's name I think inspector franco choa is pretty pretty classic cop name. Did he look like an Italian to you though?
I guess he's been sent guard. Yeah Isn't did he look like a franco choa? I know I just really like it Inspector rachoa is a really good cop name for the 70s especially what do you have for your flex category choice boy? The I used to fuck guys like you in prison award for craziest quote Jeff paul boom screaming kill rich But that is it He screams at and then he fucking hits the he kills his wife It's pretty awful.
Yeah, you think we should change the word? Oh, no, I don't know if we're gonna change change like that's new title of your word I just don't know if I can say the c word. I don't probably that okay, but I think you're right. It's like jeff go boom saying shit We want money mother He is well.
He's coming up Butch is girlfriend a word for weak link in the film other than that scene. Uh jack's on the law I have the son of law. He's horrible. Yeah, he's just a horrible character.
Yeah. I don't understand any piece of it Why he's such a loser why he's not more Like obviously his father-in-law is losing his mind. Yes, he can see it doesn't seem concerned about that Doesn't even really seem not concerned about his wife dad. They're gonna put him in a sanitarium tomorrow And just doesn't seem like I can't believe this happened Everything about himself.
I had this in apex mountain, but this character is also it's definitely apex mountain for calling your father-in-law dad It's really confusing to the movie. I'm like wait Is that his father because I was supposed to do a bit of a night dad I had that in what stage to wear son-in-law so called her father-in-law dad. I don't understand correct you do this absolutely not Yeah, I don't think anyone does this anymore. I think it's a 70s thing though.
It's like calling your wife the old lady Yeah, but like things that went sideways. He seems so eager to call him dad. He's like, yes, got it. Yeah, Charles brawns is my dad We rarely get to give this up, but the steven sigal hard to kill a word for did this movie need a better intimacy coordinator Yes, uh the answer is yes And then uh the Elizabeth shoe is an oxford electro-chemist award for most ridiculous casting Charles brawns as an architect.
Yeah, the way that they depict Charles brawns and architecture skills is Him sitting at blueprints for a while. It's seemingly drawing circles. Yeah And then later, he's just like he's a development and it's like a fucking non-knoppily board with a bunch of little houses And they're like this is gonna lose a lot of money, but it's beautiful Look at all these. I put some olive trees right there.
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Not not sure that was legal just to kind of waltzing with locks I've all heard this by the same token that that crime was out of control in the cinematic version of the 1970s New York At cops did not adhere to the rules on they certainly did not um but what's a worse I mean, you'd catch the vigilante right now because they'd have cameras everywhere. This movie would be five minutes Yeah, it's like oh yeah, he's right there. Yeah, it's paul kursi the ark They would have also like cameras in the supermarket cameras like in the apartment building like they're not really snuck in with the movers Yeah, yeah, what do you have for what stage the worst uh graphic nature of the rate murder scene the nickname the vigilante just dig deeper Come on like there's like there's not like a single like cool element to this killer that we do the silver bullet Yeah, the real batman something like that uh just paul's general Guess it's time to go home and go back to work Right three days after easily the most traumatizing thing that could happen to somebody and he's like Look at like gonna do mode and cry forever. Well, and then he doesn't even paint the walls for like a month He just kind of yeah until he paints down the bright orange which is definitely a sign of a mental breakdown Well, but that's the movies does a good job I'm like this guy's lost his marbles he's making liver and spaghetti and he's got bright orange walls and he's playing game show music That architecture firm did not offer mental health days definitely not Lawrence hilton jacobs as the let one of the last muggers I then became boom boom washton and you know welcome back.
Hotter was one of the biggest shows of the late 70s It's just weird to see him in this yeah and jeff gold boom from the big chill and many other things I mean there's so many random people showing up in the movie where like I can't believe this but that comes a little bit later I want to say also since you mentioned the casting one of the things this age the worst is michael winner and charles bronson talking about who to cast as paul's wife in the beginning and I think michael winner was like july rland who's charles bronson's real life wife and charles bronson was like absolutely not Not what happens in the movie. Yeah, I'm having her thrown around by a bunch of thugs And then they just were like you imagine me. Hope lane who plays the wife. Yeah, and they're like oh great.
Thanks guys plan B Yeah I have for what's age the worst the bruce will is 2018 remake because I even think when we started we watch them I remember the first year we we had some sort of conversation about movies that should be remade And death wish was clearly one of those like it's such a great idea and then they actually did it and it wasn't good Yeah, I also felt too close to the equalizer and we've done it now I think if we're gonna really try to like do something creative You would basically have to tell death wish from the perspective of the criminals that he's hunting You know you would have to be like we're like a new york couple of new york street guys But there's this rumor that this crazy white guy is walking around with a gun and we're like now investigating him But also trying to like protect the other criminals Fookin on said I probably watch it Was there but do you have any more with siciverse was there a better title for this movie than old category I brought back Um, do you know d lorentis was involved in this? Yeah another another one of my heroes and paramount And they originally wanted to call this film the sidewalk vigilante Well, that's better than just the vigilante because they thought death being in the title was a deterrent boy were they wrong I think that's what's the opposite of the deterrent The ruffle hannah ribbit parchar drove her acting word the three bad guys. Yeah, gold I don't know what is going on. You're the guy from the lead singer from adenio oil Yeah gold bloom and then the other guy and then just gold range gold bloom like is in the warriors like four years earlier He's just doing it's so amazing Um, they like he's been asked about this movie a couple of times since then where it's just going kind of a shame That that's your early films like no, I got to be in the movies like right and I think it was because he knew like a band guy Like a guy in a band who just got him into got him into this film mom go see my new movie That wish I'm in the first 15 minutes.
You can't miss me What a rocket ship to like start me's in big chill a couple years later, right? Yeah, yeah The cr thanks luke welsa could be Harrison Ford how to stake a word. Okay. So this you go first because mine goes right into casting what is vigilante's eh what does that mean?
I don't know crime rate went down. Maybe we need some Cut the crime rate in half of the December minor groans in the back of this room. Let's just let's let's talk it out This is on top on crime the minority report member. I was for it Keep it right.
Oh, I know I think that there's a difference between a vigilante and a thrill seeker with a death wish Yeah, and Paul's out there like he didn't even do any detective work of like let me find one gold bloom Right. He's just like I'm just going around gunning guys down. That's my biggest question. It's like why didn't he ever try to find them Yeah, what's going on there?
Craig I present to you death wish to Because he finds them one at a time What do you have for how to say there's a version of this film the original director who was approached for it was cine will met And one of the original pairings of actors was supposed to be jack lemon and henry fonda as oh choa within death wish within this sort of iconic Vigilante action movie that spawned multiple sequels. I think there is like an amazing fucked up 70s drama film about like a emasculated New York businessman whose family is taken from him and is like I don't have the tools to process what's happening And jack lemon would have been an incredible idea. I don't know if it would have worked But it would have been I would love to have seen the city who met jack lemon version of this so he turned it down and do serpico Would you rather he did serpico or I would rather he doesn't know that stuff it's gay I don't get that but you know performance then you that's a would have a nice is serpico right into death wish jack lemon I'm with you. Uh, steven queen also turned it down Clint Eastwood said no thanks Allegedly who knows birtland caster george d's got franks and natural lee marvin I'm gonna talk about Elvis Presley who's the last one first of all I guess is a relatively larger version of elvis right by 74 Let me tell you something 1974 elvis playing paul karsi in death wish sounds like the greatest movie I don't own anything you would rather press lead in cenatra I just don't think cenatra does it.
He's like my wife would never be assaulted Yeah, he would get some weird agro of cenatra thing right as you know he was the coolest guy I think george he's got what I've been good elvis crammed into like an architect To be suit that oh what you gotta do is put a little bill over there on the hill. Yeah George he's got doing this and hardcore would probably be a little intense for him He would have been good though. Yeah, you know what that's true. We've done hardcore.
You know death wish is not uncharted character Or another new york. Oh, I guess I was a la. Yeah, but same Yeah, my unit same same like big city falling apart type of thing Best that guy word I got jack waltz detective hank. He's also in boogie nights.
He's yeah. He's the guy with uh With ricky jay, right? Yeah, he's our show as partner. Yeah, like I said, he's been a lot of stuff He's the guy for the people who saw the move with a huge mustache Yeah, she's like I'm not getting more questions the son-in-law is played by steven keets Who was also in frenzavatic oil part black sunday and then one of my favorite silent rage.
Oh, yeah, he played one of the doctors Did we do silent rage yet? We have not it might be one of craig's 10 favorite movies we've ever done. Yeah, it's really good Chuck Morris craig haven't seen it. It's been a while since I seen a guy wouldn't die D on waiters word aims janchil would you go with or would you go with omele brown the lady in the newscast cast who fought off the muggers With the hat pin.
I have stewart for goal and is janchil The leaner done. I'm running the spawn ranch award for most jar and casting decision I'll give you jeff go bloom or I'll give you chris for guest as the cop who finds the gun I'll give you olympia do caucus as the lady cock yeah, who starts to figure out the entire thing They should redo this as like on amazon and just have all of them in the cast like they had major parts They should also do it as a christopher guest mockumentary He why he should have done that like a bile at that mockumentary recast and catch director city. I had john kazale as the son-in-law Oh, man. I mean jocazale was it would be another imagine him playing paul I would have been amazing.
Oh him is paul kursing. Oh my god, dude. Yeah, paul shouldn't be this like Greet got you know he should be like a frail dude. You don't talk to a guy like aims janchil like that Have I started research Bronson asked for california based location so that he could be with his family and bill air and they said fuck you were filming There's a lot of good bront i didn't realize how much good bront we've never really done a bront so now before I didn't realize how much good bront Research he was like by all counts rough hang this is our first bronson.
Yeah, we have a rough hands And everyone's like yeah kept himself and a little difficult. Yeah, nobody was like, oh man I love charlie great guy not a lot of that Do you behave himself on like the greatest gate or dirty doesn't sets though? I think he was just super quiet and not like where we going tonight after the shooting Was he a good enough actor to warrant that behavior? Like why were people keeping?
I just think that there was a different it was a different system back then and it's like if he's a guy who keeps his body in shape and can Convencingly fire a gun. He's got a job for life He was basically like the cults getting Daniel Jones because they needed a QB I know who was he in this scenario? Queen those guys were getting all the rules and then bronson So we dropped down a breton justin fields for two years for 20 million a year Like he was kind of in that mode But then he kind of became his biggest queen for like three years right if you're seven feet tall and you can watch shots You'll be in the end yeah, yeah The writer of the book death wish Garfield brine Garfield he was furious about the film he called it in cindy area because his book is much more Critical of visual atheism probably not number one. Did you start reading it all or did you just get it as like to check it out?
I actually want to read it, but I know it's completely different than the movie Yeah, he wrote two books that work I don't know if they were very similar But what the like two got optioned in this one went up being like a big deal He wrote a follow up called death sentence, which was a response to this movie not made into a movie Does it look like a death sentence in it? Maybe bronson defended the film Said it was intended to be a commentary on violence meant to attack violence that romanticize it I think that the person don't romanticize it Well, but do you say that because you've seen death wish two and three and all the other stuff from it Like do you think that this don't romanticize his violence? Well, the last hour of the movie like get him chuck get him I'm not I was really like this is this is fucked up I'm not like this is fucked up, but I was like I'm watching a guy spiral out It's a little more like taxi driver If you just watch it in the context of one film If you watch it in the context of part of a franchise where this guy goes all over the country killing people I was watching it from the perspective of man on the subway platform. Just take those two down Don't let the guy get behind you just they're right running like I think he wants the challenge in that case So one other thing for half-assed um there was always a rumor that Denzel played one of the alley thugs in his first movie appearance No shit at the 47-minute mark and this kept going and going and then finally he gave me the interview where he was like I wasn't in death wish Was he like I wish I was no he just put the go-bash on it I said he hadn't been acting yet But he was mad that it was added to his IMDB page.
That's funny. Yeah fish burns in two, right? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah He's in the scene that somehow like is a hundred times worse than death wish one say apex mountain bronson. I think yes Uh apex Charlie.
Yeah, but like it's not my personal effects for him. No, but for him This leads to hard times and he's like a massive star. Yeah, this movie. I mean that no question bid you land these Maybe it turned into a phenomenon.
Yeah, it's even these yeah What would you go for scary New York City movies warriors? Yeah, me too Uh, benzagardina. I guess he was a moonstruck Yeah, I feel like he's he's really good at it I mean he's he takes up most of the second half of this phone They bring him back for two Yeah, he goes see he sees some killings that are going on in LA and decides to take a little axifolias cross country to make sure what's going on Vigilante movies I think yes Unless you want to qualify John Wick because they killed his dog That's a really good example of like basically John Wick is death wish but then take it in a totally different direction But the first John Wick is essentially death wish yeah I feel like when it's it's is taken a vigilante movie because he's specifically just killing those guys Yeah, and it's his and it's she's not killing it's just a kidnapping I feel like this one's we can we can Paul can't come back like that's the whole point taken He's still gotta maintain some semblance of assault. Yeah.
Yeah, that's which one he's basically like this broke my brain I'm going to now soft crime by myself. Yeah and you deliver the hit list of the game show music crews are hanks Oh, no, I didn't finish. Sorry apex mountain. Uh No, I did I guess I have a couple of apex mountain apex mountain for switch plates and movies Wow, there was a great switchblade era.
Yeah, just guys get him knives pulled on him It's a great movie setup because you're like it's dangerous, but it might not be that dangerous Yeah, but you can I can trump this painting your apartment orange two weeks after your wife is murdered there Yeah apex mountain for that. Yeah, probably move and guys calling their father-in-law's dad. No question. Cruiser hanks.
I've thanks I think it's thanks. Yeah, I think it's thanks correct. Who do you have? Thanks.
Okay. Yeah, you need the softness the turn Needs to be the most shocking tanks. So it would be cool though. If we had Vincent from collateral I think this is the movie I wanted hanks to make really thousands or two thousand tens.
Yeah We needed let's get a little darker here tonight. Yeah. Yeah, he just never wanted to he always wanted to do Jimmy Stewart Score says he was Spielberg. It's obviously score saysy.
Although Spielberg's version would have been Quite different what role would Philip Seymour Hoffman have played? He could have done a lot of things very young He could have been one of the thugs. I think Around the master and like later in life he could have done He could have done the main role he could been Paul in a different version of this film And I think he would have made a cool chilah. Hmm.
I had uh, I had cursing but I think he would have been a good chilah Craig you're up with the flex category I'm gonna go with the Dan Campbell scale for holy shit. Are they really going for this right now? And I'm gonna compare the muggers in the apartment was like a flea flicker Where I didn't I wasn't really aware of how intense this was gonna be and the one guy walks in with the paint can And the first thing he does he just spray paints a line over the painting on the wall I'm like, okay And then he vandalism and that's like Jared goff handing it off to datumontgomery I'm like I'll go to run And then he goes to the other wall and it's a swastika. I'm like, oh no He's flipping it back to Jared goff and then uh, it's a 50 seconds That's a good one And you don't ever want to see a swastika the second you see a swastika.
You know, yeah, things are turning brought to you by loom I Pick a nits The doctor just delivers that your wife did to make it news so roughly I mean the entire movie isn't it pick but the way that he's like Oh, you're wife's dead The son-in-law first is like your wife's gonna make it and and breath like there's always like this weird vibes with the doctor where it's like he's like Oh, yeah, your wife's gonna make it guys see the Mets guy You know like they're like the literal doctor for a minute. Yeah, right? And he's like oh, you're wife's dead, but I'm sorry about that. Yeah, just you see her through eight eight two head innings Yeah, this my wife made me pause the movie and she was and she was we just couldn't believe how bad the doctor was and her take was Maybe there wasn't enough awareness on how doctors should talk to patients yet And this was actually what it was it was more real if it wasn't a bad acting choice Oh, I was in the in the 70s and I would just think that there would be more bedside manner But I guess in a New York City hospital in the 1970s that guy's probably seen some shit Yeah, oh no, you're wife.
You're up dead. She fucking died already. That was your wife. Yeah.
Oh my god She was dead when she came in. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, she's in the rim dead if you want to go your wife's catatonic, but your wife Um, not painting your apartment within a day after the graffiti assault murder How did I just put the place up for sale?
I mean, you know what burned the furniture, but say in hotel I had one more people in a restaurant watching a news conference with a police officer like it's game seven of playoff series They're all like just riveted by this like really we're supposed to believe that people aren't just eating and drinking in a restaurant No, I don't I love when everybody stops I mean for like in JFK it makes sense, but in this it would be like you really like a New York bar We're grinded to a halt to watch the police commission. It happens in rocky too We had the bar and like the Yeah, yeah, yeah, like did we really do that in the 70s? I'm not interested in the news any other uh nipics. Um, no, not really.
I mean, I we said the one was the big one was the doctor's bedside manner All right, we'll take a quick break and then we'll finish categories Okay, before we answer the question sequel prequel press the htv all black has are untouchable. I should mention there were four sequels death wish to death wish three 1985 death wish for the crackdown 87 and then for some reason 94 death wish the face of death They just seven years pass Bronson is now in his mid-seventies and they're like we're running it back But I think it speaks to how popular the sequels were on tv from a rewatchable standpoint Yeah, I mean, I think it's not that expensive to make yeah, bronson's like i'll stand there and shoot you guys can make whatever movie you want around me He's probably not like the story's not working for me. Um, let me get a rewrite of that script I would love to see a prestige tv prequel called the architect. Oh about Paul's early days in New York city It's basically madmen right?
Got this lead on a new mexico real estate. Yeah, it's just like a like an architecture firm And like he's got a great wife and daughter. Can I talk you into the apple tv prestige tv death wish remake like now episodes jill hall? Yeah, yeah Jill and hall just episode one something bad out.
Yes episode two work trip goes to the range because the guy loves the rain Yeah, and then maybe you go to Utah starts listening to some right wing podcasts It's got some ideas. I like Uh, and then the rest of the city comes back to the architecture firms. They can't hurt broken We're barely supposed to be hunting our own food All the architects like sure ball I don't know. I would I would give death wish a chance.
Yeah, you apparently you would it no I would I liked my idea too, but like yeah, we Do both the same idea. Yeah. Yeah. We'll combine them Greg would watch death wish on apple tv sure craig loves the studio Yeah, he'd give anything a chance.
Yeah Uh, is this movie better the wingjack and staining trail door is berg stam jackson now firing mayo fernie cousins Tony roma harling may is chris consworth daniel plainview long legs or wolford brimley in the firm God damn ball You're kind of freaking me out. I'm speechless I guess i'm gonna make sure you don't go away for a long time big boy, but that archbait started give me some questions I think you're gonna break out wait for the i look to see wane as a choa And in this movie you know like wane hunting this guy for like, you know, this guy's really taking care of business out there Spake my job easier. Uh, I had two actually for this. I think now should be in the park at one of the scenes Just oh my god We just see her what's and then uh, uh, this is a white platform when he shoots the two guys, uh-huh, ryan ruko kursi bag and bag again Got it Just want to ask her who gets it her beacock.
Yeah. I don't have any answerable questions. It's a pretty straightforward film Yeah I mean, I think my only unanswerable question would be Would the commissioner district attorney and cop all agree to suppress like arrest? Oh, actually Alright, I guess I do have none there.
So he's got a transfer right so he's got to talk to work Maybe you make up some story about uh, yeah, you know, but he's still in the hospital with a gunshot wound So he's got to tell works something right not gonna be in this week. What happened? Uh, happened deck to me like you come up, but I guess you could get through that then it's like, you know what I really need to be transferred And now I have a limp They're like, okay, how about your cargo and they just kind of that's it. Yeah, just seamlessly Yeah, it would be I honestly think it would have worked if you'd been like I got mugged I can't live in the city anymore I got a good idea But the big question I have is with the New York City police and the media and this is now like a circus that they get them They're not get them and then the killing stop are they still covering it like Well, you know how it is like after a week they get bored and go on to something else What piece of memorabilia would you want or not want from this movie?
I have the gun with the case that says two paul for yes. Yeah, I put that in the office There's a lot of really cursed items in this film Stuff to be like what a cool coat. Yeah, like the people magazine. Yeah, I would like to show people magazine Coach fin stock or best life lessons, um bring your grocery song if you live two blocks away Or I think the big part in the beginning of the film and they're like, you know, is it time to cut and run from New York City?
It's like if you're feeling that way, maybe you should do it. Yeah, that's a lot of other best double feature choice Oh, I had the Warriors just to like put a fantastic cap on on the 70s New York experience because this is essentially the Jeff Goldblum movie Yeah, you know, it's like the flip side of it. It's a good choice. I agree with you.
Who won the movie Charlie. Yeah, all right, Greg I know you probably didn't like this one. No Yeah, and it's probably won't make the top five lists at the end of the year Did you see When I was talking about with like Jack Lemon and Sydney like the bones of like a weirder movie in this I didn't I was I was driving in today. I thought I actually think this movie had the potential to be something really great um Yeah, I kind of just thought it was miscast and and Stale and very two-dimensional and I thought the brutality of it was not redeemed by the story It just felt like half-assed to me.
You know what? It's it's not it's not too similar from Rocky Uh in the sense that it's a movie that's franchised as kind of defined the original film now unintentionally like Rocky is such like a small Urban drama and it's about human relationships and then there's a fight at the end And then Rocky all the subsequent sequels are like it's about boxing and this guy's boxing career death wish was about You know like you said like you're like holy shit the first hour of this movie is really disturbing and then like it becomes about vigilantes Yeah, and then it just becomes a franchise, but it's interesting that you would almost think about death wish in relationship to the sequels I do not know it's for a couple years I do think there's a tweak to this movie that could work now where the complicated message around what this movie is trying to say romanticism versus Criticizing violence the Luigi man Dioni thing there is like a rich person Wealth tweak that you can make to this where it's like the killing of these ceo types the united health care ceo I love that. No, I think that's an instant quince Season two yeah, yeah, it's complicated like how do we feel about whether you know These people at this level and visual antiism in the corporate world. That's true Yeah, I think we're gonna do a couple more 70s movies this month But in general the 70s is so interesting because they had all these great ideas for movies and some of them didn't land the plane and some Did but then all of them existed in the cable universe for the next 30 years like this one This is a really flawed movie that I probably have seen 20 times you think about how different the film going experience must have been for people At that time period compared to what we get now or 90% of what we see is so affirming at the end Like we are made to feel good about what we just watched yeah This is almost the complete opposite of that where people seemingly were going to the movies to feel bad or to feel like their anger Was being shown on screen or their depression or their anxiety was being shown on screen It's kind of amazing time to talk.
I mean, I love this one my favorite decade so Craig Robach. Thank you. Go. How and Jack.
Thank you as well and Ronik. Thank you Ronik. Thank you as well. Um, bring our movies youtube channel Yeah All these are on video and we'll have uh two more 70s movies death which two next week To be um are there three ones left in mayor too?
Uh, let's say say that we have one two just two more after this Thank god 1926 There's a lot of campaigning going on behind the scenes for which these 70s so it should be really yeah by me We had to do this should we do a poll. I had to push out. It's good. We did it now.
We have close encounters as possible Wait, I Needs too much research. Okay. Um roller ball is in there. Yeah, what was the other one we had?
Oh, I asked for marathon man marathon man And you know what you kind of teased once and I don't know how seriously where it was all that jazz I thought that was one of the ones that's not available though. Uh, it's not available on DVD. I don't know if it's streaming right? Yeah, all right.
Well, we'll come back next week with one more seven. We've never done trying to town. Have we? We have not So right that movie is kind of a rough hang now.
Yeah, they think that that this movie was a walk in the park No, I mean like I think it's more like the stories of around it. Yeah Uh, see you're thanks good to see you too