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I was going to say a Duke Nukem, because that's on my mind. But what's the name of that game where they all punch each other? Oh, Rock'em Sock'em Robots of Pound of Fine. Because everybody here, except for Adam and myself, have actually won the game. We try to get all of our Pound of Fine champs. But of course, scheduling is hard. And so Losh and Carol couldn't make it. But we are joined today by our previous winners, starting with the person who won most recent. No, not first, because that was Losh. But first right after him, it's Taylor Troche. What's up there? First right after him. Second. Second. Yeah, you're right. Second would work there. I lost in the first round. Yeah, how's it going? You did, but you came back and you...
We're victorious after that. And then did you lose to Carol after that? Or did we boot you? I think I lost to Carol and then you got tired of me. Okay. So we're not tired of you. We're back. You're back. We've invited you back. And I'm sure you're going to give it a go after Taylor is Thomas. Ooh, Jonathan Taylor Thomas. We should get a Jonathan here. Ooh, yeah. I have a JTT shout out from the 90s. What's up, Thomas? How you doing, man? I'm doing well. It's good to catch up with everyone. And yeah, happy to be back here. I think it's good for all of us that Carol did not join because she destroyed me last time I played. That's right. So you're one for two in winning.
Which is slightly better than Taylor, but not quite as good as Matthew who's one for one. Aren't you Matthew? Yeah, I was going to decline this to keep my record, but I'm busy. Oh, yeah. I'm gonna keep my belts. Okay. You can't keep the belt if you don't fight for the belt. You can't take away what I can't lose. That's right. Well, if you don't show up, then you actually lose by by default. And so I'm glad that you're here to defend your title and the potentially take these guys as title. And lastly is our most recent winner. It's David Aja. David, welcome back. Glad to be back. What's up, David? I'm chilling. I'm excited.
Ready to earn the master's in BS. I feel like I got the BS in BS. Nice. Okay. Always BSing. If you win a third time, we get you the PhD. The BS in HD. That doesn't make any sense. Adam, why are you here? No, just kidding. So, solidarity, my friend. Solidarity.
You're here because it's changelog and friends with Jared. And so of course you are here. I gotta be. And should we reveal the secret from the changelog plus plus segment last time around? Do you want to get your comeuppance? What was it? What am I revealing? You won around. You won. Remember after we quit playing, we had a changelog plus plus special. And I won that one. You beat David and everybody else. You got to win in post shows. You know, if I'm going to win, I might as well do it when no one's listening. I would describe that win as a hallucination. Well, it's funny you say that because we are going to.
put a slight twist on this round in order to level the playing field. You know, Adam's a big fan of golf. In golf, there's handicaps, and there's also mulligans. And since you all are previous winners, and Adam hasn't quite achieved that level yet, we're going to give him a slight... handicap which is that during this game he can pick one round he does not have to disclose but for one round he can actually use an llm to generate his answer and um that's it so he gets electric up his sleeve he can deploy it whenever he wants he doesn't have to and he does not have to disclose it that way maybe who knows maybe he'll be the champion of champions should i not disclose it at all or just not until i win the round well that card is in you know your hand you can play it until you win the round well if i'm leveraging an agent there's no way i can lose yeah you might still lose the round yeah what are you talking about it's not a guaranteed win Oh, it's good. I mean, have you seen my agents? Why don't you have wins already? Well, because I don't use the agents there, buddy. That's why I'm using my own brain. I'm stupid. I use their brain, which is very smart. All the smarts there, all the stupid here. We have a no Google policy. We have a no agent policy. Of course, don't look up the definitions because that wouldn't be very fun at all. The way this game works is that we have 10 rounds of play. We're playing to 12 points, whichever one comes first. And each round presents a word.
which is obscure, hopefully. Hopefully nobody knows it. Maybe you know it. That is in the world of STEM-y things. So it could be science, medicine. It could be math. It could be music. It could be science fiction. It could be computer science, et cetera. It's in that wheelhouse of science-y things. And a definition of the obscure word. Now, after I name the word, everybody submits to me their definitions of what they think the word means. Or if they don't know what it means, they make one up in order to fool.
their enemies into selecting it. After the definitions are submitted, I will read them all, hopefully without laughing, and then you all go around and try to guess which one is the correct definition. Now, if you get the right definition initially, right away, you get three points and you set the round out. If you have the wrong definition, but other people pick yours, you get one point for each person who picks your definition. And then at the end of the round, if you happened upon the correct definition during the selection process, you get two points. So three, two, and one. If nobody selects the correct definition in a round, I, your humble host, get four points. And the first one to 12 wins or the person with the most points after all 10 rounds. I doubt we're gonna have to do all 10 to get to 12 because David scored 12 in like 37 seconds last time. So any questions before we get in round one?
No, let's get it. Excited to get started. All right. Here we go. Your word for round one is iatrogenic. Iatrogenic. I-A-T-R-A-G-E-N-I-C. Iatrogenic. Please submit to me your definitions for iatrogenic now. Is there a problem, Taylor? I know this one. I'm just trying to... It's so close. Now, Jared, have you considered using a text-to-speech solution for reading these definitions out loud, too?
avoid the laughter problem the metagame that's a really good idea i just feel like i would be really bored yeah i should do i feel yeah you don't want ai taking your job that's right fight for it i'm gonna keep fighting all right all definitions are in for iatrogenic and i will say right up front that taylor has the correct definition so three points for taylor and you can just relax my friend good job he did know it he really knew it so there are one two three four five possible definitions for iatrogenic Number one, iatrogenic describes natural springs which produce water with high concentrations of ionic water. Number two, iatrogenic...
caused inadvertently by medical treatment or diagnosis number three an object solely composed of distinct dissimilar parts number four describing cells in the endocrine system responsible for producing hormones and number five the process of swapping out one gene pool for another there you have it five potential definitions for iatrogenic we start since taylor is resting we start with thomas yeah so looking at this list we have the water ones natural springs with ionic water okay so like genic i think about iatrogenic Genic being like a degenerate. I know that much. Caused inadvertently by a medical operation was number two. A combination of distinct dissimilar parts, cells in the endocrine system, and then gene pool swabbing. Well, yeah, thank you. Thank you. Because normally people are like, what's number three again? Okay. What really sticks out to me is the caused inadvertently. So number two is what I'm going to go with. All right. Thomas goes with number two. How about Matthew?
because you said something i want you to repeat number three actually okay number three is an object solely composed of distinct dissimilar parts you jerk is that in the definition he's just he's just trolling me that was a troll the similar parts water water repeated water twice actually so that was interesting uh the gene pool one number one yeah there was one that's not the gene pool not the water not the similar parts there were two other definitions that i can't remember oh gosh so number four was describing cells in the endocrine system responsible for producing hormones okay that's not gene pool it's not not gene pool not dissimilar not water And not cells. There's that one other one. And not cells. This is like a test for me. There's that one. The process of swapping out one gene pool for another? No, we said that one. Okay. Caused inadvertently by medical treatment or diagnosis? Yeah, I'm locked that one in. That's the one? Yep. So you're on pylon. Pylon. Admittedly, I didn't catch which one Thomas picked, so yeah. So it's an accidental pylon. Fair. All right, we go to David. I'm going to construct an additional pylon. This guy doesn't just pylon. He constructs pylons. All right. We got three people on number two.
And we go to Adam, who's the last one to actually guess. What's the second to last one, Jared? That'd be the fourth. Yes. Can you read that one, please? Describing cells in the endocrine system responsible for producing hormones. Yeah, that's the one. That's the one right there. Let's dial that one in. Yeah. Lock it. Let's dial that one in. Let's lock that one. No breakfast ball required, fellas. All right. Well, after round one, of course, Taylor gets the default three. Taylor, what's the correct answer, Taylor? The correct answer is the medical one.
And the only reason I know it is from an Asim Taleb book. I can't remember which one, but he loves that word. Really? I don't remember. I haven't read one of those. Antifragile, is that him? That's definitely him. That sounds like something that would happen in there because like maybe go in for an appointment and then you get misdiagnosed and then you're stronger afterwards. No, that doesn't make sense. I don't know. Yes, that is correct definition for iatrogenic. It's when something's caused inadvertently by medical treatment or diagnosis. Taylor's definition was has the opposite intended effect as in hospitals killing healthy patients.
very good so thomas matthew and david each correctly got that so they each get two points thomas matthew and david and then adam he did not pile on he went for describing cells in the endocrine system responsible producing hormones that was david's so an additional point good job david good job david come out the gate with 12 right away he's coming out he's on pace he's on pace once again and uh successful round one we have taylor and david with three thomas and matthew with two and your humble hosts with zero Moving to round two. In round two, your word is heteroscedasticity. It's spelled H-E-T-E-R-O-S-C-E-D-A-S-T-I-C-I-T-Y. I'll put that in chat. Yeah, you need to put that in chat. I'll say it one more time. It's heteroscedasticity. There we go. Heteroscedasticity. That's tough. Matthew, is the Oxide t-shirt in the waiter? Yeah, this one is.
Quality from end-to-end. That's not iron-on. That's broider. Wow. I grabbed a couple t-shirts while I was there, and I grabbed XLs, went back to the hotel, and I'm like, ah, these are too big. I went and swapping for larges. Got home, and I'm like, ah, these are too small. I don't know what to do. I wear them when I work out, and it's just a buff, you know? I love the Zero Axe Engineer one. Yeah, I was going somewhere. Just me and Matthew had that problem with our arms. We just can't fit everything in, you know, our guns. The pipes. Can't you tell? They're pretty much the same size. Have you considered working on anything other than the biceps? I considered it.
He'll keep it under advisement. So Adam, when you do decide to deploy your LLM-based answer, which language model are you going to use? Oh, gosh. Great question. I don't know, honestly. I don't know.
I don't know. Okay. I just only played. There's a Mac app called Chorus that makes it easy for you to just fire the same question to a bunch of them at once. Oh, really? When I have things where I don't actually care which model, I just want to try several at once. That's often kind of helpful. Mm-hmm. That's pretty much what I do manually. I just copy-paste it into three different prompts. I might give a shot. I'd really like to go scorched earth and just maximize my compute on this particular. Literally scorched the earth. How could I maximize my carbon footprint? I was looking away. Was that you, David? Was that your voice I heard saying that?
Who was it that said this tool? Was it David? Chorus? That was David, yeah. It's called Chorus, like your Chorus of People. Is that right? Like a collection of people singing. Is that Chorus.ai? I do not remember the domain. I think you just... If you just ask all your LMs, one point another. Yeah, I found a couple of Choruses. They're not that. I'm trying to find that. Chorus.sh. Oh, I don't know what you're talking about. Chorus.sh. That's not what that means, Jared. Chorus.sh. What does it mean? Shell? Yeah, it's like a .sh funnel. Script. That's why they made the TLD was for shell scripts? I don't know. Best being used. Well, sure.
It's probably for Shazakistan. Yeah. Shazakistan. Or it could be Shazam. It could be Shaq's favorite movie about himself. He can afford TLD, I think. Anybody can. Well, whoever did this website for course, it's just, I like it. Great job. Adam, if you're looking for advice on LLMs, you should pick up a vintage. Go for like GPT 2.5. It's a nice vintage. It's got a good taste. What year is that? It's like a 2021 vintage. You might be correct. All right. I have five definitions for
heteroscedasticity or however you say it you're getting better though the practice is paying off i feel like it good and by five i mean five not six because one of us got it 100 correct and that person is mr david aja three points i have to try really hard not to help you with the pronunciation oh he knows how to pronounce it too how am i doing yeah you got you got there eventually i have this pronunciation guide and as i try to read the actual like syllables i can't it's just a lot of syllables i couldn't quite put them together when you just look at the word it's not so bad anyways Neither here nor there. Up first this round. Well, let me read them. Gosh, you guys just guessed the numbers. Might as well. Okay, five definitions for heteroscedasticity. Shoot, I'm back. A material that has differing shear resistance across its various dimensions. That's number one. Number two, when molecules have multiple stable configurations. Number three, the process of fine-tuning multidimensional data structures into a single data store. Number four, a collection of disjoint operators which make up the order one manifold.
And number five, a statistical property in which some subpopulations in a collection of random variables have different variabilities from others. There you go. Five definitions. Heteroscedasticity. Let's start with Thomas. So the first one we have is this material with different shear. Yes. Sheer resistance across its various dimensions. Across various dimensions. Okay. So it makes sense that all of these do play into the prefix of the word, the hetero, right? Of mixing up different things together, right? Right. Number two, you have molecules with different, what were they? Multiple stable configurations. Yeah. Multiple stable configurations. Okay.
Okay, that makes sense. For three, fine-tuning for multidimensional LLMs or AI models? Multidimensional data structures. Oh, data structures. Process of fine-tuning multidimensional data structures into a single data store. You see, but I feel like this C-I-T-Y at the end is not necessarily like a process. So it's describing a state of something. It's a city. Yeah, but it's a city, not a state.
I beat you to that one, Taylor. And then what was the collection, the operators? Yeah, a collection of disjoint operators, which make up the order one manifold. What is the order one manifold? That's the question. Order dash one, order minus one. I don't know, order one. I just haven't heard that before. It's interesting. Could be that one. You know, I do think it's the statistical variabilities within multiple data sets. That just kind of feels right to me. Hetero, you know, different, you know, mixing together and then the city describing the state.
So I'll go with number five. All right, Thomas gets five. We'll go to Matthew. I'm also leaning five. I think that makes sense. I don't think the stable state one makes sense. I don't think the order one makes sense. What else was there? Sheer resistance was one. Fine tuning. Fine tuning of some data structure. And then what was that one I'm missing? It was a material that having differing shear resistances. Yes, I have shear, data structure, order manifold. And stable configurations. That's it. And statistical property.
Damn, I think I'm with you on this one, Thomas. Another pile on. I'm pile on. It worked out last time. Please pile me on. Let's stack up around the normal distribution. This is feeling like a repeat. Okay, David's out. Adam. I'm going to pile on.
I don't know what I'm piling on to, but whatever they chose, I'm choosing. That's it. Blind faith. Adam gets it. He's just following along like a lemmy. I've learned. Okay. Yeah, well. Follow or lead. If you can't lead, you follow. I'm following. Okay. All right. Fair. Taylor, are you leading? Are you following? What are you doing? I'm leading. It's a warm mile, Taylor. My grandma. My grandma always used to say, Taylor.
homoscedasticity is a shear resistance in a single direction so it must be the opposite you know like this is a family secret and i just realized that this must be the truth taylor this was your grandmother who worked in the bomb factory and she used to tell you stories about uh her time in the bomb factory to put you to sleep and you can ask exactly that same grandma yeah yeah that same grandma you'd snore just heteroscedasticity when he goes to sleep you almost can snore that all right so you're going with the material how the different shear resistances because your grandma told you so yeah yeah Okay, just making sure. All right.
So we find ourselves in similar grounds as last round, except for David has the correct answer. And so David, why don't you tell everybody what the right answer is? I drew a little diagram because I used to love trying to draw this when I wanted to be an economics professor. This is a homoscedastic distribution, right, where the normals are basically kind of the same. And then this is a heteroscedastic distribution where the variance for one subgroup is smaller than the other. But they're both in danger from that T-Rex. Yeah, the T-Rex is definitely after both distributions. So either way, you're going down. You're going to need it no matter what. That's right. Was that a drawing of a metal pipe?
Because it's materials, right? Was my grandma lying to me? Your grandmother. I can't see the different shears. I can't see the, come on. Shear different. Shear resistance. All right. So Taylor's grandma, I'll let him right into Matthew's lap. Matthew wrote that one. So one point for Matthew.
And the three of you all got it correct. The statistical property in which some subpopulations in a collection of random variables have different variabilities from the others. Of course, hetero, everybody knows what that means. The last part, the skedasticity, comes from the ancient Greek word skedonimi, which means to scatter. So there you have it. Oh, it also comes from skedaddle. Yeah, which is when you got to run. Everyone scatter. That's right. Actually, that's how they got it. They mispronounced. Skedasticity. And if you want everybody to run in different directions, you say, let's heteroskedaddle. That's right. All day. Like cockroaches. Heteroskedaddle. Okay.
So, three points for David. Matthew gets two plus one. He gets three. Thomas gets two. Adam gets two. Taylor locked out of this round. After two rounds, we have David in first with six, Matthew with five, Thomas with four, Taylor with three, Adam on the board with two, and I'm still sitting at zero. However, I'm very excited for round three because the word for round three is achakatura.
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You should check it out. Achakatura. Ooh, I like that one. Yes, you heard that right. Achakatura. A-C-C-I-A-C-C-A-T-U-R-A. Please submit your definitions for Achakatura now.
Do we know if you're pronouncing that correctly? That's the way the person on YouTube said it when I looked up how to pronounce that word. Now, they could have been wrong because I did not go for multiple sources. This is like a play on acai. That's what this is. This is just a little, yeah, just a few more letters on that one. Right? Just a few. The double cc's, that's a very rare thing. Very rare. And what's weird with the first cc's are the cha and the second cc's are the ka. The cha-ka. But there's no ss. It sounds so weird that now I'm going to go, you guys keep typing, I'm going to go double check YouTube. Yeah, sure. Maybe I'm going to get a second source. Maybe I'm saying it wrong. No, yeah, I'm saying it right.
Okay, that was not pressuring you. Thank you. I was questioning a lot of things in my life, so. I'm happily, I'm back on firm ground here. Country of origin? Use it in a sentence? Yes.
Sentences the word for round three is It's not my sixth first time to find Thomas I'd like to buy a vowel hint thing whatever and get a lot of LLM from Adam How do we do that here? I have dollar how do I? My work only one only one. Oh, yeah, how many tokens? That's right. It might cost a bit more than that Taylor. Did your grandma tell you anything about this work? Actually? Yes
I'm very excited. Well, she led you astray with the previous word, which I will not pronounce again. She's not perfect, and that's okay. To her credit, she was not talking about hetero. She was talking about homo, so it's an entirely different thing. Don't let me distract you guys. I know you're all working hard. Taylor's done, though. It's really easy when you cheat and just look up the definition, you know? It makes things go a lot faster. That's what my grandma always said. Are there any words with the mythical triple C? Like, in existence? Yeah, dude. Three Cs. That's a great question. I don't know the answer to that.
You find anything? Not yet. No, I don't think it exists. Initial searches are not good. No. Now I'm going to my second round of searching. Mm-hmm. CC is a cubic centimeter. Did you find that in Canada? 20 CCs of this stat. Oh, yeah. But cubic centimeter is the same as a milliliter. What is that, an American? An American? I was at a distillery once, and there's the equivalence between a gram of water and a cubic.
Gram and milliliter are the same amount. And they said they'd measure their water in pounds, and I was just like, hmm. I don't trust whatever's going on back there. Is that British pounder? I think. They are imperial pounds. It's looking like there aren't any CCCs. You mean the Cs have to be next to each other, right? You're talking about a word that has CC next to each other three times. Oh, is that what you want? I thought you wanted three Cs in a row.
No, no, I wanted three C's in a row. Oh, you did, so I'm giving you what you want, and you can't have any. Thomas was trying to give you something different, which is two C's three times. Is there any word in the English language that has three of the same letter next to each other? Of any letter? I think, like, giggity, probably. Ooh, that's a good one. When we were expecting our child, I wanted to name a... If we had a boy, I wanted to name him Aaron with three A's. He'd be first in everything.
Elon Musk challenges us. That reminds me of the A-A-Ron. The A-A-Ron, yeah, that reminds me of that sketch. That's a good sketch. Can you start their name with a null terminator? Like, just terminate any string? Or a semicolon? No, what's the Greek question mark? Oh, awful. That looks like a semicolon. Yeah. It's called an awful? No, it's called Akasharia. Or whatever. That's a Greek question. That's a Chakotura. Yeah, exactly. Acacia Cat? Acacia. Acacia Cat, you're a...
All right, we have everybody's, except who are we missing here? Oh, we got them all. It was Adams. Finally, my LLM finally got back to me. I was like, come on, man. You're taking too long here, man. Oh, my God. Oh, God. What are you doing? Hey, nobody knows what this word means. That's a relief. I went to this website called toadvanced.com, and it was just...
They have a brand new LL in there. It was just too advanced. I appreciated how ChatGPT5 tried to answer the three C's in a row because it would like come up with words of two C's and then it would throw a third C in there and be like, nope, that doesn't work. Like stucco. It's like stucco has two C's. Let me add a third C. And it's like, nope, that's not the word stucco. I was enjoying that back here. Okay. Smartest five-year-old. Yeah. That's why it's GPT5 is for five years old. Okay. Six definitions of Chakatura. Number one, a brief.
Grace note played before a principal note, then immediately released. Number two, the order of operations for actions that must first precede other actions before being executed. Number three, a partial eclipse of a planet formed by multiple moons. Number four, a fungal infection affecting the forearms. Number five, a genus of fungi native to South American rainforests. And number six, when a material has a single plane of sheer resistance. I tried. I tried really hard. Okay.
Matthew, you are up first this round. Yes. Okay, so single plane of shear resistance. Yes. Fungal arm? Fungal infection affecting the forearms. Something else about a fungus? A genus of fungi native to South American rainforests. Uh-huh. A partial eclipse. Partial eclipse, pre-note, and pre-order operations. Order of operations, yeah. Okay. I am in between, I'm honestly between two here. Can you repeat the definitions for the pre-note one and for the arm fungus? Yeah, a brief grace note played before a principal note then immediately released was the musical one. And then the fungus one.
was a fungal infection affecting the forearms. Forearms. One more. Not forearms, like you have four of them. What if you have two arms? You don't have to worry about the other one. That's a Chuka Turret. No, I can't even come up with anything. Yeah, I think what's throwing me off about the fungus one is that it's specific to the forearm.
That's what's throwing you off about it? Yeah. It's like, why would that classify different? You know what I mean? Like, what if it was, like, on my bicep or something? Why would that be different? Are there fungi that only affect the forearms? Different fibers, man. That's right, man. Yeah, exactly. It's different towards the arm. Yeah, right. How much you sweat, different parts of your body. Yeah. It's like when you do a lift, you're like, this is only working my bicep. And it's like, what do you like to do? That's on my Torah. Yeah. I think I like the musical note one, personally. So I think I'm going to lock in the musical note. All right. Snatsy was on the music note. We go to David.
What was the other fungus? Yes, there was the fungal infection, which we've talked about extensively. And then there's a genus of fungi native to South American rainforests. And one of these is the correct answer. That's right. Unless Jared is playing it. Unless he's just like a tiger on us. Just a big troll. Surprise. So you got two funguses. Fake word. Sorry. I'm going to do it. Can I have the final three one more time? Final three. I was going to do it. Okay. So number four was the fungal infection affecting the forearms. Number five is the genus of fungi native to South American rainforest. And number six is when a material has a single plane of sheer resistance. That's all you forgot about? Yeah. It just flew through me. It was so perceptive. I'm going to go for the musical term as well.
David's going for music. I see a bass in the background. He's a musician. It's very suspicious that the musician might pick the music. I'm not a musician. I just own several instruments. He likes guitars. As he showcases more instruments. He moves so he can see the rest of his guitars. How many forearms do you have? I play all of them simultaneously. Taylor, what are you thinking? Are you going to pile on with these guys? Are you going to go fungal?
somewhere else altogether. Sheer resistance. No, I don't. My grandma led me astray. I'm not, I'm not falling. Sheer resistance. Once again, he's resisting. Sheer resistance. Uh, yeah, she actually, uh, my grandma told me that, uh, that a Chukatura is an eclipse, but I'm not, I'm not trusting her. So I'm gonna go for the grace note and, uh, uh, pile on. All right. He's pylon on the grace note.
Oh boy. We go now to Thomas. Okay. So Gray Snow has a pylon and the order of operation for actions doesn't have any love. Partial eclipse with multiple moons. That looks like I'm trying to imagine what that would look like. That would be pretty cool to see, but I don't see how that's a check Tura. Have you seen Star Wars? Have I seen Star Wars? Yes. Yeah. It's like that. That's multiple suns. Dude, you didn't watch the end credit, the end credit scene. The end credits is all multiple moons. Yeah. Moon fest.
It's not just multiple moons. It's a partial eclipse of multiple moons. It's a partial eclipse of multiple moons. Right. Yes, a rare occurrence. We have fungal in the forearms. So I could be like ringworm different places. Rumble in the jungle, fungal in the forearms. Yeah, fungal in the forearms. But there's some like fungus feeling thing about it, Chakitura. And I'm going to go with number five, the genus of fungi native to South America. All right. So we have Thomas on the South American rainforest fungi. All alone on my little island. No man is an island.
I don't remember the rest of the poem, but the poem, it's a book. No, well, it's, it's, it's a, it's a poem and it's a book. This is crazy. This is no man is an island. You should read some Thomas Burton. That's awesome. I love that. Adam, what you thinking, man? Mama always told me if I get a chance to pile on, to pile on. Listen to grandparents and mamas. Okay. He's just following the crowd. Mama always said it was a good pile on.
all right let's start right there a chakatura is a brief grace note played before a principal note then immediately released it's an italian word so matthew david taylor and adam each get two points matthew david taylor and Thomas guessed a genus of fungi native South American rainforest. That was Matthew. So he gets a bonus. Oh, good job, Matthew. We both had fungus on the mind. Oh, perfect. I was wondering who else did the fungus on the mind. I really liked a fungal infection affecting the forearms. However, it had this certain like role to the sentence where I thought that can't be a real thing because it just sounds so a fungal infection affecting the forearms. It's almost, it's almost alliterative. Like it's poetic. It's poetic. That's what got me with the water one last time. I was like, they said water twice. Which was mine. That was also Thomas's.
So he's on to you, dude. Honestly, I've been reading too much. I did just see Hamlet. I saw Hamlet last week and maybe that's all getting in my head. Maybe it is. Do you have a forearm infection? No, but it's Shakespeare.
Thanks. Now he's educating us blebs. He's like, that's Shakespeare. He didn't know. That's the only author that I know. Okay. That's the only author. Yeah. Shakespeare. And I don't know. Yep. That's it. I can't think of another one. Here we go. All right. All right. Round four. Well, let's, let's total up the points here. After three rounds, David and Matthew tied with eight. It's a battle guys. Taylor with five. Thomas and Adam tied at four. And Jared with. And I'm still shut out. We guys keep piling on, which usually helps me because if you're piling on the wrong answer, I win, but you're piling on to the right answer. I lose. You invited us champions here. It's true. I should expect the best. And you guys are giving it to me. Okay.
Round four, give it a Goog. Oh yes, this is our give it a Goog round in which I open up an incognito tab and I don't change my IP address. So yes, you can go ahead and judge us Nebraskans. As I start to type a phrase into Google and then I stop and let it autocomplete. I then write down the top autocomplete answer from google.com when an incognito tab in Nebraska types Steve Jobs space. Steve Jobs. Then I stopped.
Then I got some suggestions. Your chore is to write down what you think a believable suggestion would be, the top one, and send it to me whenever you're ready. So just his name and then space? That's right. His name, Steve, space, jobs, space. What do you think Google would expect me to type next? Hot and heavy. These are good. These are good. Just to clarify, would Steve Jobs Space Needle be a good answer?
You could try it. Yeah. Okay. I wouldn't stop you. Is that a clarification? I'm leaving the space up to interpretation. Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is every round you have to block a book that somehow relates, okay? Okay. That sounds exhausting. It's a challenge.
That's gonna be tough if we get to round six, especially. What's round six? I'll tell you when I get there. Come on, no hints. No teasers. I guess that kind of was a teaser. Yeah, it was. We're waiting for Adam and Taylor. I gotta say, make files that are very annoying sometimes. There's a heteroscedastic book. There you go. Hey, there you go. A little bit of Tuft. A little bit of Tuft. Is that not Tuft? No, that was my nickname back in college. So that book. Yeah, I think it's the visual display of quantitative information.
I sure pitched that. I pitched that round in your wheelhouse, didn't I, David? He's like, this word exists on the front page of a book that I've read. I keep trying to reference it or just show off to my friends. It's working. I think you're pretty cool at this point. Okay, everyone's in. All right. So six potential autocompletes for the search Steve Jobs blank. Steve Jobs what? Google autocompletes. The top autocomplete. Here's your six potential answers. Steve Jobs net worth. Steve Jobs biography. Steve Jobs feet pics.
That's all we need to know about Steve Jobs' daughter. Steve Jobs' wife. Steve Jobs' death. That's six. This round, the person who gets to go first is David. These are largely depressingly plausible. Yeah, exactly. I want to go net worth. David goes net worth. Adam. I've been curious about his feet, honestly. I've been thinking like, what does his feet look like, you know? I've seen him. Show me your feet, dude. Okay. Steve Jobs' feet.
He did famously walk around barefoot a lot. Maybe he's got some ganglies, you know? Maybe it's well manicured. Or a little bit of tuft. A little bit of tuft. A little bit of acaciatura? I wasn't trying to say that word. Some tough acaciatura on them feet, man. You need some acaciatura. So you're going to go with feet pics? Heck no, man. They want to know how much money he's got. Show me the money. All right, Steve Jobs and that worth.
Next up is Taylor. Oh, it's for sure the Space Needle. It wasn't any of them. Steve Jobs Space Needle. It's definitely Space Needle. I appreciate you doubling down on that joke. Daughter? It was a good bit. It was a good one. Taylor's going for Steve Jobs' daughter. Okay, Thomas. Net worth, biography, feet pics, daughter, wife, and death. That's right. Gotta end with death as always. So daughter, she came up with a book, Small Fry, a couple years ago. Really? Oh, yeah.
About fast food or? No. McDonald's? No. Is she a small human? I don't understand small fry. What's the context? I don't actually know what the context is of the title. It was his pinky toe. Dad's pinky toe. That's what it was. And you would only know that if you looked up the feet pics as everyone else in Nebraska has. Was it a picture book? It's not a picture book. It's a very serious book. It was actually the invention dad never did. That's what it was. Yeah. He never invented the small fry. Do you have it on your shelf behind you? No, I don't actually, but I do want to read it. It's on my list of books I want to read. I got too much stuff going on. All right. We got.
Daughter or wife? No, I'm going to go with daughter because she wrote the book. I wonder if people are like Steve Jobs' daughter who wrote the book, but they won't remember her name because she didn't. She was one as Lisa Brennan for a while before. Now she goes by Lisa Brennan Jobs. Okay, so you're going with daughter. Yep. All right, Thomas has daughter along with Taylor. David and Adam are on net worth, and Matthew is the only one who doesn't pick yet. What are you thinking, man?
What is it? Net worth? Daughter? Life or life? Wife. Biography. Biography. Life. Is it life? Net worth. Net worth for sure. You're going net worth? Yeah, I'm going piling. He's piling. We have two piles here. We have two piles, but which one is right? David, Adam, and Matthew chose net worth. Steve Jobs net worth. Are people Google searching that? I don't know, but Adam created it, so he should know.
Nice. Good job, Adam. Good job, Adam. One point for David and Matthew. You don't score any points for guessing your own, but you did convince people. Oh, yeah. I forgot. I guessed my own.
No, you have to pretend like that's a strategy. I really just did forget. I was like, play it off, play it off. It's got to be net worth. Well, fun fact, net worth was actually the third autocomplete for me. So it was right up there at the top. The second autocomplete for me was death. So that was right there at the top. Matthew actually said death. But the number one autocomplete for Steve Jobs is Steve Jobs' daughter. So Taylor and Thomas landed on it. Taylor Thomas, Jonathan Taylor Thomas. Two points each for JTT. And I get zero. So I guess Jay doesn't get any, but TT gets two.
Other autocompletes there in that list, death, net worth, children, cause of death, wife, and finally Steve Jobs quotes. No feet pics, no feet pics whatsoever. That was Thomas's, he threw a wrench, and it was a good one. All right, so after round four, we still have Matthew and David tied. With eight. That makes sense. Did you guys score that round? No, you did not. Just making sure my calculator is working. Matthew and David have eight. Taylor has seven. Thomas has six. Adam has six. This is a very tight game of poundifying. We move down to round five. What if AI agents could work together just like developers do? That's exactly what agency is making possible. Spelled A-G-N-T-C-Y. Agency is now an open source collective under the Linux Foundation building the internet.
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We moved out to round five where we play a round of weird flicks. But okay, in this round, I have gone out to the interwebs and I have found an obscure old movie. Oh, yes. In fact, I found a movie from 1928. I then took the synopsis of that movie, you know, like the one-liner description of like what the movie's about. You can read it on IMDb, et cetera. And I jotted that down. Your job is to write a synopsis given the name and the year that it was made and convince all of us that you actually wrote the real synopsis of the movie. The movie I wrote down is called The Man Who Laughs.
The Man Who Laughs is from 1928. Please, submit to me your synopses for The Man Who Laughs whenever you have them ready. And we're confident on that year this time? The year is correct. The year is correct. I gotta go over to my DVD shelf to grab it. Just for Thomas, a movie is like a book, but a fun book. It's like a fun version of a book. A fun book. A fun book. Okay. Mmm.
And it takes, like, several hours to days to finish. Oh, if you're in one speed, dude. If you're a rookie. You gotta watch all my moves at 2x speed. Just as Scorsese intended. You gotta watch it on your iPod Nano at double speed, you know?
Have you seen Star Wars? That should be the legal question. I mean, that reminds me. Did you guys hear Ira Glass came out of NPR fame of This American Life came out and said all podcasts should be listened to at 2X? Surprise me. He did not say that. He did say that. Ira Glass says podcasts should be listened to, including his own. All podcasts, 2X. I'm going to start speaking really slow then. And all my jokes are going to take way too long. Speed that up. 2Xers. Tim, how that sounds. Adam, all your jokes already take too long? I normally speak fast, though.
People generally slow me down. Yeah. I got too much excitement and I'm Texan. So, you know, when I speak, it's just Texan. I don't know what that means. Is it big words? Did you learn your first big word, Adam? Chakotore. Star. That's all we got to say in Texas. Star. Matthew, just in case you didn't know, you just gave me the title. I know. I know. I sent you the title back. I like to give you the word and the thing. I forgot I'm supposed to be describing a movie here. I'm talking. And I hit enter to do a new line. The Man Who Laughs is what this is? The Man Who Laughs. 1928. The Man Who Laughs. Okay. I can do this.
Jared, when do you get the first snow in Nebraska? Well, we have very unpredictable weather, so it can be as early as Halloween. And we have actually one year a humongous snowstorm on Halloween. Close it down. But, more realistically, it's like late December or early January. But it's cold far before it snows. Oh, yeah. It'll be getting cold here soon. Right now it's perfect weather. We're in like 60s, 50s. Sunny. I like when the sun is hot, but the air is cold. That's good. Well, then you're in the right place. Yeah. I will say, Adam, I take your...
criticism of the Canadian American experience, but one of the big benefits is two Thanksgivings. Yeah. I've already had a Thanksgiving. It was great. Got another Thanksgiving coming up in a few weeks. It's going to be great. Thanksgiving really should happen twice a year. Totally agree. 10 out of 10. It's actually like my favorite thing. Yeah. And they're spaced out enough, right? They're about a month and change apart so that
That second one really comes in. You're like, oh yeah, I love Thanksgiving. It's great. It's coming around again. Is it similar fare? Or is there other... Yeah, similar fare. Same stuff. Just a different day. Cool. I did the turkey this year. So I got too big of a turkey for the number of people we had. Well, that just means you got turkey sandwiches. Turkey sandwiches. I made some stock. What's your preferred preparation for turkey? I do a salt rub the night before. And...
Let it air dry in the refrigerator, so I leave it uncovered. Gets the skin nice and crispy. And then, day of, melt butter over it, chop up a lot of veggies, put them in the bottom of the pan, and roast it. I don't do anything too crazy fancy, and it just comes out perfectly. That sounds alarmingly like some sort of treatment for fungus, foreign fungus. What is this you're making here? These are potatoes? Oh, turkey.
Though, have you ever deep fried turkey? I don't have a house to sell on fire, so. Totally did. So, the only time I've ever done it was with my uncle, who is a career firefighter. And that was the only person with whom I felt safe enough to deep fry a turkey. I appreciate, you know, all the local fire departments doing the video where they drop a turkey that's not quite frozen. Or not quite thawed. Not quite thawed, yeah. Any of that water, it just goes... Matthew, how was your wife's chocolate business?
Great. I have to take pictures for the next Thanksgiving Christmas collection tomorrow, I think. Does she ship to Canada? Not to Canada, because... I know. It's fine. It's fine. But if you can meet us at Niagara Falls... Yeah, just meet you at the border. Yeah, there you go. Why are you coming down today? A little chocolate swap. Just toss it across the border. Ooh, that's called snuggling. Yeah. There's nothing wrong with that. I prefer snuggling. Chocolate jugs, what's the difference? Come on.
I was watching a video about the engineering of Niagara Falls the other day. Really interesting stuff. And what I learned was that pretty much the exact same setup is replicated on both sides. And it was kind of like a peeing contest to a certain degree. It's like, you're going to do that? We're going to do it. They couldn't share. They couldn't work together. It was like, no, we're both going to have the exact same deal. We're just going to do everything twice. That was kind of funny. I think they worked together in a certain sense of the design, because everything's designed mirrored to a certain degree, which is kind of cool. But I didn't know there was all that going on back then. Six. Pretty well written. Synopses for 1928s.
The Man Who Laughs, but which one is the actual movie plot? Here we go. Number one, The Man Who Laughs recounts the story of Dr. Dennis Rockwell, who struggles with his grip on reality as he treats his patients at Mount Basker Mental Asylum. Number two, a disgruntled railroad worker catches the next train out of town to find beauty in life. Number three, a veteran of the Great War cheerfully tries to save his farm. Number four, a disfigured nobleman with a permanent grin is forced into circus life and separated from his true identity. Number five, darkly romantic. A comedian is heartbroken when his lover leaves him for a member of his audience, the man who laughs. And number six, thrust into the starlight. Two laugh-filled men adventure together to seek the love of the same woman.
As stage performers who travel, they find it hard to see her in the crowd. So they developed a laugh from Bellows down below to win her love. To win her love. All right. Six different potential synopses of 1928's The Man Who Laughs. Adam, you can't pile on this round because you are first. Gosh. Is there any way to go last? Is that possible? You can't pile on because you're first. Can I just not do that?
I do think that would be an interesting mechanic to introduce in a future version of this game. Adam always goes last? Or just like you, someone gets the ability to... Oh, to like play that card every once in a while or something. Yeah, that's a good idea. Interesting. You know, I wasn't listening, so... I'm used to going last.
I get the power and push my button. It's just, you know, the easy button, you know, can I ask you to describe them to me again? Can I give you briefs? Because this is a lot of reading. No, you can just give me the summary. All right. So number one was the story of Dr. Dennis Rockwell. Okay. Yeah. I like that. I was listening to that one. I was kidding. At the Mount Basker mental asylum. Number two. That's a pretty good one. Who wrote that? Number two was the disgruntled railroad worker who catches the next train out of town. Oh yeah. Also pretty good. Finds beauty in life. Yeah. Number three was the veteran of the great war who cheerfully tries to save his farm. Yeah. That's a good one too.
Number four, a disfigured nobleman with a permanent grin who's forced into circus life. That does have smile feels. What? I guess laugh, smile, it's all the same, right? Number five was a comedian who's heartbroken when his lover leaves him for a member of his audience. The man who laughs. Taylor wrote that. Oh, wow. Call out. Number six was the two laugh-filled men who are seeking the same, the woman's love. So there's your synopsis of the synopsis. What are you thinking? What are you convinced by? What are you? You know, I just want to ask if I can go last. You can't. You can't go last. All right, fine. I will go with the...
The disgruntled railroad worker who found a way to go down the mountain. All right. Who's that guy? Is that mixing them? Did I mix them? A disgruntled railroad worker catches the next train out of town. That's the one you want? Yeah, yeah. I don't know if I like that one. All right. What was the one before that? Taylor, you're next. What was the one before that? The man who goes last. Are you not locked in? No. I thought we were moving on. Before that was the Dr. Dennis Rockwell at the mental asylum. He treats his patients.
But he struggles. We lose a grip on reality. Yeah, that's plausible for sure. That one now. All right. Taylor, what do you want? Let's see. My grandma actually saw this one theaters. Did you say theaters? 1928, right? Yeah. She said she told me, though, it was the one about the guy with the old guy with the house with the balloons. So that's not an option. I'll go the nobleman, the disfigured face. The disfigured nobleman. All right. Oh, wait, what was the first one again? The amount of the amount of basketball mental asylum?
Ooh. You know what that one said? No, let's do Nobleman. Thomas. I, let's see. So we have The Mental Asylum. We have Beauty. Let's see. Man of the Great War. Circus Life. The Comedian. And then The Two Laugh-Filled Men. I feel like, yeah, Two Laugh-Filled Men. You call it The Men Who Laugh. Or maybe that's the sequel.
I'm going to go with the mental asylum one, the number one. Number one. That's a good choice. That's a good choice. Is it yours? No, it's just a good choice, man. Mental asylum one, railroad something, nobleman something. You should go with the one with the great war in it. Something about a great war. Yeah, because I don't think it happened yet. Can you read the asylum one and the nobleman one? Sure. No, they're not the same.
The asylum one is the story of Dr. Dennis Rockwell, who struggles with his grip on reality as he treats his patients at Mount Basker Mental Asylum. Got it. Okay. Are you saying the Great War wouldn't have happened by 28? What's the Great War? 1928? No, yeah, you're right. But 1928. See, he just said doctors. They didn't have doctors in 1928. That one's false too, dude. Also synopsis is synopsis, whatever. Yes. Like a lot of, you introduced me with too many characters in that synopsis. Right. And the other one was a noble something? Yeah, a disfigured nobleman. He's got a permanent grin.
Oh, like the Joker. Always fun. He's forced into circus life. Separated from his true identity. That sounds fun. So he's forced into it. Okay. I think I'm leaning to that one. Somebody already picked that one though, right? Yeah. Taylor picked that one and Thomas picked the mental asylum one. So they both have one person on them. I think I'm leaning towards the nobleman. The Joker story. The Joker origin story. Okay. You're going to lock that in? Railroad is another one. Lovers something. Yes. Yeah. I think the nobleman sounds the best here. It feels...
I don't think anyone here is going to use the word disfigured. Wow, that's a dis. Yeah. All right, I'm going to lock you in then. Lock me in, please. Locked you in on the pylon. We go to David. Yeah, I think my intuition last time was sort of prudish about what would be acceptable movie-like contents. And so the disfigured nobleman kind of sounds right to me as well. So it's a pylon again. All right. We're a very conservative bunch here. Seriously. A lot of hurting. I am in pain, so yeah, the hurting is real. No, I'm just kidding. Well, it's keeping the game closed because every time someone scores, everybody else scores also.
All right. Well, we've heard these synopses over and over and over again. Let's go to the guesses. Adam thought maybe it was the disgruntled railroad worker. That was written by Matthew. So one point to Matthew. Thomas was convinced by the Mount Basker Mental Asylum. I thought that one was amazing. Taylor wrote that. Good job, Taylor. Point to Taylor. And then the pile on. They're piling on to a disfigured nobleman with a permanent grin who's forced into circus life and separated from his true identity in 1928's The Man Who Laughs. That is the actual synopsis of a movie. It doesn't sound half bad, does it? It actually doesn't.
I had to go watch that movie, Thomas. Yeah, or if you could get it converted into a book, then you could read it. I don't have to read everything as a book. I also watch movies. You can pull the book out when we talk about it. Fun fact, Man Who Laughs was the very first Pixar film.
He's coming from the guy who's calling into question the years of the Great War. That was David. That's why he was defending that one. I tried to let it breathe for an appropriate amount. You don't want to jump to this defense too harshly. Yeah. I knew what you were doing there, David. I could see it. Well played. All right. So Taylor, Matthew, and David all get two points for getting that right. So three total points for Taylor. Two for David. Three for Matthew. No, not this round. Unfortunately, you didn't get to go last. Oh, man. And that brings us to the end of round five. And Matthew is in striking distance. He has 11. Of course, Taylor and David are also in striking distance with 10.
Thomas and Adam have six. I'm going to call a two-point win. I don't know, man. I see the time. I got to eat, bro. I don't know. I'm not winning, so. So your entire idea is just centrifuge, don't you think? That's your strategy? I'm just going to start reading. All right. That brings us to round six. And that brings us to a very long word. Pronounced Rob Dingnagian. Rob Dingnagian.
The word for round six is Brabdingnagian, and it's spelled B-R-O-B-T-I-N-G-N-A-G-I-A-N. Brabdingnagian. That's my best pronunciation yet. Brabdingnagian? Brabdingnagian. That is definitely not how it's pronounced, but I see why you're doing it that way. This is the second time you've done this to me, and I'm telling you, I looked it up on YouTube. It's pronounced Brabdingnagian.
So take that, Matthew. Take that, Matthew. Yeah. Check out your own YouTube videos for pronunciation and step back in my world again. Brobdingnagian. If it ends in I-A-N, it's Armenian. So, fun fact. A slight alteration. It could also be pronounced Brobdingnagian. So it could be Nagian or Nagian. I don't know. But Brobding is correct. Brobding. Please submit to me your definitions of Brobding. Ding. Nagian. Ding. Or Nagian if you prefer. And now.
You know what? Isn't it real? I'll get some dinner. Jared can't pronounce the words anymore. Hey, I'm two for two, man. I'm two for two. You're good. This? This word is interesting. I have words about this word. Write them down and submit them to me. I can't say it until our definitions are out there. Okay. Oh, by the way, Adam, did you LLM that last one? I haven't LLMed anything, man. Okay. I can do that. You're running out of time, dude. Am I allowed to do that? You get one. You get one pass. Oh my gosh. I should do this soon. So I mute myself when I'm typing because I have this gnarly clickety-clacker. And...
When I do type, I get the little notification. Hey, uh, are you trying to speak? If you're trying to speak, you're muted right now. I'm like, no, I'm typing. I prefer just to hear the clickety-clacks, man. All right. Let's get him. Clicking. But now I can do some thinking before I do. Now I know when you're not typing, too. Hmm.
And we silently judge you. I think if you were really paying attention, you can notice, like, how long was I typing? You could guess which... I wouldn't put it past David. I think he's playing to win here. He's probably going to listen to your typing. He has those big over-ear headphones on to really get... Matthew also has headphones. Literally, literally four out of six people over here. I know, I know, I know, I know, I know. It's not lost on me. I mean, mine are open back, so I still hear. Oh, okay, yeah. Oh, wow. Yeah, I got to hear my dogs barking or my wife is calling me. Yep, I hear my dog barking. I'm going to take her for a walk. Can I change my answer for the Steve Jobs one?
I don't know. I just wanted to go. Yeah, go for it. Steve Jobs net worth. Yeah, I get that another point. Yeah, no, right. Here we go. This is relevant to change. I did get this book before it came out. I got the not for resale. Before it came out? Yeah. That's a contradiction, dude. You can't get something before it comes out. That's not true if you know the right people.
Did you I had it before he wrote it so you've had it before he wrote it. Yeah Well, you got another people know this is that it says these proofs are not to be quoted for publication You just published it dude. You're on a podcast if the books out the book came out It says it says on the back when the book actually comes out Did you hear about the sequel to to that book called constipation? No, you haven't hasn't come out yet That's a good one such is life Six definitions for brobding Nagian. Number one, purposefully accelerating civilization collapse. Number two, having to do with the sport of brobsledding. Number three, a fictional area in the Golden Sun video game where the characters face the toughest enemies. Number four, a matrix of fourth derivatives. Number five, cousin to the backyard against Malik, Zara, Engie, and them love to play in the front yard.
You're not helping anything with that. And imagine themselves on fantastic adventures. That's awesome. That's amazing. And number five, or sorry, number six, marked by tremendous size. Marked by tremendous size. Okay. Six definitions. Good news for you, Adam. You get to go last. You're safe. Taylor has to go first this round. Taylor.
What do you think is Brobding Negian? I do just want to give a shout out real quick to the Backyard Guns. I've been watching that show with my daughter and it's got some fire tracks. Oh yeah, man. K. Brob Demon Hunters. Oh, that's a good one. So it's between Brob sledding. That was a very good one. Whoever did that's very clever. Brob sledding. It could be the real answer. You don't know. Brob sledding is not real or something. Yeah, I think I like the first one and the last one. It sounded the most legit.
Yeah, they did. Okay. The last one was size? Yeah, tremendous size. Tremendous size. No, that's too on the nose. What was the first one? The first one was purposefully accelerating civilizational collapse. No, that's too smart for me. What about... Let's pick the last one. Size. Size. He's going for size. Size does matter for Taylor Thomas. Size? Size? Big? Or size? Which size? Marked by tremendous size. He's asking about a homonym.
What'd you call me? S-I-Z-E. It's spelled S-I-Z-E. S-I-Z-E. Yeah. Civilization. So, Accelerating Civilization Collapse. Correct. Brobsledding. Brobsledding. I mean, it sounds really good. And you have the Golden Sun video game. The Golden Sun video game. Matrix of Fourth Derivatives. Yes. The Backyardigans. Cousin to the Backyardigans. Cousin to the Backyardigans. Yeah. Marked by tremendous size. It's dark, but I'll do the Acceleration of Civilization Collapse. Okay.
We go to Matthew. The summary of each of them was, let me think, I remember this. Mark Peterman's size one. Thomas, the collapse of civilization that he's picked. Right. Brobsledding. Brobsledding. Backyardigans or something? Correct. Golden Sun something? Yes. And a matrix of fourth derivatives. A matrix of fourth derivatives. Correct. As in math, I guess? No, these are programming languages that derive from fourth. Boo. That's a homonym. That is a homonym. Wow. I'm actually not sure.
It sounds like a thing rather than like a status or like a description or something. It sounds like an actual thing. Like a noun. Yeah, exactly. Like it's a name. That's somebody hanging out. Yeah, it's like the name of a location or something or it's a name of something. Like you call someone this. You know what I mean? Right. Like it's a slur. Okay, so I have to let me...
Not the backyard again thing. Not the other Rob sledding one. Collapsing of society, I don't think so. And then there's three more. Mark by tremendous size, that's an adjective. And then you have the matrix of four derivatives, which would be a noun. So I've narrowed down to what? Golden sun and size? Golden sun and size. Well, size is not... I'm not going to help you. It's not a noun. No, I agreed. But like every other one, I don't like the other noun. Okay, fine. Whatever one you want. Can you read the golden sun one, please? Can you read both of them? A fictional area in the golden sun video game where the characters face the toughest enemies.
and then marked by tremendous size fictional area I like that it clarifies that it is a fictional area in the video game. Yeah. Like there's real areas and there's fictional areas. Yeah. Like Grand Theft Auto is like real areas in a fictional game, you know? Right. Or Tony Hawk's Pro Skater. Like you're on Burnside, but you're not actually there. By the way, Thomas, Thomas, a video game is just a really fun movie. Really fun movie? So choose your own adventure book. I feel like there's an escalation of fun that I'm just missing out on. I think I kind of have to pile on here because, yeah, I don't know. Nothing really names. Nothing really names.
the video game like what a definition name something i don't know i mean like metaverse yeah i guess all right i'll pile on to the size one because i don't believe it's a society collapse all right matthew is with taylor on size david you are brob digging again you are so brob digging again i don't know yeah so brob digging again I don't know if there's like a word, like Manichean, which is like a way that people construct a world worldview that's kind of binary between good and evil. And so that's one way in which that could be related. There are my different, like my linear algebra is very rusty. So I feel like there are some named matrices, but I don't remember if that's one of them. We have a couple of obviously ridiculous ones. Sorry, did it specify what video game? Yeah, Golden Sun. Golden Sun. Is that a game, like, is that a popular game? I don't know.
I haven't heard of it myself. Okay. But I'm not a gamer very much. I just play Rocket League. Enormous size. It is kind of a big feeling word. Yeah. And thus, regrettably.
It's happening. It's happening. I, I, I'm not quite convinced by any of the others. So, so Matthew and Taylor are tied with 11 and you have, sorry, Matthew has 11. You and Taylor are tied with 10. And so all you are picking the same one. Yeah. No, I mean, like there's no, there, there's not a, I don't, I don't think there's a strategically better move to make than attempting to pick the correct thing. Like it's, it's basically like going to, yeah, well, let's see what happens. All right. Let's see what happens. You're up, man. Oh my gosh.
I'm going to have to have you read them all again for me. No, you can just pile on, dude. You're on last. I don't want to go last, though, this time. I want to go. Wait, I do. Everybody else is already gone. How could you not go last? You were first and then you're last. I can't take you anywhere. What is it? There was a book, Little Blue Truck. Move it, bud. I'm first. You're last. That's what it says. Okay. Okay, fine. Default answer.
I guess I'll pile on. I was thinking about having you read one of them at least, but I'm not going to do that. Well, let's start with the only guy who went his own way. Just like the old song, you can go your own way. But it's going to be a lonely day, Thomas. It's a lonely day. Sitting over there on Taylor's purposefully accelerating civilizational collapse. One point for Taylor. You already said accelerating. That's acceleration. You did it. Accelerationism. Accelerationism.
And then everybody else just piled on to marked by tremendous size, which is an adjective, even though Matthew was looking for nouns, he couldn't find one. It feels like a place. And that's because Brobdingnag is a place. It's a fictional place in Gulliver's Travels, where Gulliver goes. And the people in Brobdingnag are marked by tremendous size. And so they are Brobdingnagians. And so everybody who picked that gets two. I just think of the Spider-Man movie, where he lands in the Netherlands or something. And he says the name of the town.
And it's like some, I don't know what language they really speak there, but it reminds me of that word. What language they speak there? I don't know. What is the town name? A couple of shout outs. I have no idea what you're referring to. I'm going to get it. I'm going to get it. All right, you think. A couple of shout outs, backyardigans. That was Adam. Golden Sun was Matthew. Does anybody know Golden Sun besides yourself, Matthew? I know. I played it. It was a good game. Okay. And then, of course, the brab sledding was Thomas, which was funny because somebody immediately thought Taylor wrote that one. But Taylor said it was too smart for him or something. I'm surprised no one chose the brab bargains. Whatever they're called.
What a shame. So after six rounds of play, we do have winners. We also have hard stops, so we'll have to decide what we're going to do here. People have won? Taylor and Matthew both have 13 points, putting them over the 12-point threshold. David has 12, putting them at the 12-point threshold. So we can end the game with a two-way tie for first. I know that Thomas has to wrap. I think everybody has dinner to have at a certain point. We can call it. We can continue. We can go without Thomas. I'm not going to win this one, so I can back out, go walk my dog. Let's talk to our two guys tied for first place. Taylor and Matthew, how would you like to proceed? I don't have a preference. We can tie it. We can tiebreak it. We can whatever.
I have more rounds in my back pocket, so that's not a problem. Let me think. I am super hungry. Let's just call it a two-way tie for first. Oh, boy. We've been playing a long time, so let's just congratulate our two winners. Oh. All right.
I thought you were going to say something. Oh, yeah, sorry. I think I lagged. I was going to say, or we flip a coin, right? Oh. Flip a coin. I have an idea. You both see, go back and forth, who can name more words? Whoever runs out of words first loses. I would definitely lose that one easily. Sounds like counting from one to a million. Yeah. One, two, three. You don't have another tiebreaker thing that we can do, Jared? I'm thinking. You can do a live Google thing. I do have another Google round. We could just have the two of you. Where we just guess. We both just like guess on three or something.
And whoever's guess is higher in the Google rank wins or something. On the fly. Oh my goodness. Ask Google to generate a number between zero and one. We can also do that. All right. I'm pulling up Google right now. Who's a changelog++ subscriber? No, just kidding. Oh yeah. No, just kidding. Okay. So I'm going to pull up Google. I'm going to start typing in autocomplete. I'm going to stop. And then you guys will guess until somebody hits the top autocomplete and the person who hits it wins. You guys cool with that? Sure of it.
All right. I have typed Bill Gates space, not space needle, but a literal blank character. Bill Gates space. And the first one to hit it wins. So how do we, how should we start with the changelog plus plus member? Who's Matthew? I'm not a changelog plus plus member. Oh shoot. I thought you were. I thought I was too, but I, you know, I just listen so much. We start with Taylor. I'm now offended by Matthew. I'll start with Taylor. Yeah. David is one, but he's also missing a point. Yeah. We'll start with Matthew. I'm not, I'm not easily offended. Go ahead, man.
It's better though. Alright, so just say one. Yeah, what do you think Bill Gates? Autocompletes too. Net worth. It's on there, but it's not number one. Okay. Taylor. Feet. Is it Bill Gates versus Godzilla? That should probably be up in the top five. No, let's go with Bill Gates. It's Feet, man. The blank's already in there. What keeps on coming up to me is like the Bill Gates Epstein situation because there's a tie there. Something in Bill Gates Epstein could be real topical maybe. Okay. Okay. Nope. Matthew? Good try. What is Bill Gates even known for now anymore? Who cares to Google him?
He was in the news recently. Was he in the news recently? Yeah. I don't care about Bill Gates. I don't either. I just know he's in the news. What does he do? Isn't he like involved in like farm stuff now? He's bought a bunch of farmland. That's what I thought. David's chomping the bit because he knows, he knows what this is about. And he's like, I was one point away. I could be in this. The Andrew's feet. Yeah. Okay. You're missing out. Bill Gates' feet. I feel like if it's not in it worth, I'd laugh if it was like the other one. What was the other Google one? I would laugh if it was the same thing. The same Google things. You put two names, right? Steve Jobs' daughter. Bill Gates' daughter.
Okay, I think I'll guess. Isn't he a big proponent of like... I don't even know. Okay. Give me a timer. Count down something. It'll force something out of me. Three, two, one. Okay. Climate change.
Does he need to do something with farms and climate change? Bill Gates, climate change? Yeah. Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. You got it, man. Bill Gates, climate change. Matthew, pull it out of nowhere. He's our winner. David knew that one. My wife told me a bunch that he bought up a lot of farmland and was trying to do these things. He was in the news recently because he commented on climate change. I can't remember what he said, but it seemed like he had softened his position or he said it's not going to kill everybody or something. We're just going to have to learn to live with it. Really? Yeah. Oh, my God. That's wild.
All right. Well, it was a weird tiebreaker, but it was a tiebreaker nonetheless. And Taylor, I'm sorry, but Matthew just eeked you out. David, was that what you were going to guess was climate change or did you have something else up your sleeve? The other thing that was like relatively newsy about him recently would have been something about like, I think the last thing he said was something about how people can't expect his donations to step in for all the work the federal government isn't doing anymore. So it would have been something about that. I want to say foundation, but like if net worth wasn't there, I figured foundation wasn't going to be up. Can I change my answer to Bill Gates net worth? Can I do that? Sure.
On the Steve Jobs question, or are you on this one now? Can you read the ones that were there? Bill Gates, climate change, number one. Bill Gates, net worth. Bill Gates, climate change, pivot. Number three. Bill Gates, daughter. I don't even know. Does he have a daughter? Bill Gates, daughter is number four. That's hilarious. Yeah. And then you get into Bill Gates age, Bill Gates memo, climate change, Bill Gates wife, and then you get down to Bill Gates quotes. So I feel like daughter and wife are always, no matter what, like. I think it was just curious. Like, does this person have a daughter? Does this person have a wife? Yeah. Dude, now I just need to grow my blog big enough where people are searching Taylor Trosh.
daughter wife you know that's when you know you make it you know yeah yeah let me pull up my google thing now oh gosh what do people say this is funny the number one is taylor trosh which i already typed then taylor trosh linkedin and then did taylor and taylor date oh that's a good one and then taylor smith taylor history so it's just moving yeah it's just how far is taylor town i think that's a good question where is taylor town is it in prompting dang dude i don't get close i don't get any uh autocompletes i'm not famous yeah me either taylor's the coolest one so i have a confession to make what's that and i'm super sad about it I was, you know, like when you play spades or you got really good cards, like the wild card when you're playing Uno, you know, and you wait. And you're like, oh, is this a good time to use my good thing? Right. Yeah, I just waited too long. I never used the LLM. I'm so sad about that. I was going to use it when I thought I had, you know, a good score to get. Right. At the very end, like a trump card kind of thing. Yeah, sadly.
I failed. Well, we'll let you hold on to that for the next time you play. I can get two next time with that. Two LMs? Sure. Sure. I'll give you two. I like it. Does Matt get a free ChangeLog++ subscription for winning? That's right. Yep. Well, tell him where it's at. And then that's free information. ChangeLog.com slash plus plus. They say it's better.
All right, y'all, thanks for playing. This has been too much fun. I feel like it was too competitive, almost too conservative because of the competition level. We've got to bring in some more loosey-goosey folks who are willing to guess the funny ones. But you all are invited back as well. And Matthew, the champion of champions. I mean, how does it feel? I feel with my hands, thanks. No, it feels good. We should definitely change the rules of pylons, though. It's easy to pile on, so you're hedging your bet really well. It is a smart choice. We should think about that. Just think about fixing that. The problem is, yeah, there needs to be more better answers because I'm going to pile on the wrong one and I'll get some points. Well, yeah, like the thing getting in something.
every it's not that i think it was the size but like every other answer was wrong and then i was left between my answer so it's really the right answer it's really your guys's fault that's my point you know yeah it is we're not we're insufficiently creative so this one was actually tough to be more funny too like i usually come up with more funny stuff so listeners i probably disappoint them a little bit yeah yeah except for the backyard against uh cousin version yeah that was a lot like that one yeah i was waiting for you to read it jared i want to see your face taylor played it way straighter than he normally does you know i think he was really trying to win normally his answers are just preposterous but uh a lot of a lot of good answers coming out taylor yeah i think i mean the other the other way to sort of rebalance the game is to because is to if everyone has to choose simultaneously like the results so you know you kind of submit them essentially like yes right so that we're not here the logic yeah yeah because thomas was really picking it apart and giving all of his logic out early and he actually did logic his way to the right answer but then everyone's just like yeah i'm gonna go with that one so yeah most people hold those thoughts inside and just guess i think but he was really explaining his thought which i appreciate as a guy just listening you know but
uh, you guys apparently appreciate it as well. He has some good definitions too. He just like repeated the words like water, water, accelerate, accelerate it. Yeah. By the way, to our listeners, Thomas had a bounce. That's why we're talking about him and not talking to him. It'd be weird if you're still here and we're just talking about him. Uh, it's kind of weird talking about him with a not here, but shout out to Thomas. Excellent. Excellent. Played round of pound to find. And, uh, I thought everybody played well. Thanks for joining us guys. Yeah. My friends. Bye Taylor. Bye Matthew. Bye David. Bye Thomas. We'll see him get Carol to come up and kick all your guys' butts next time around. Come on, Carol. Get back over here. Carol. Carol Lee, PhD. Bye y'all. Bye.
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