Devils Tower

We like to call it the Supernatural Hour and now our host. Hey, welcome to the Supernatural Hour Podcast. I am your host, Raven. This is Emmet.

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Yeah, you got someone off. Doc can't be here with us tonight because his schedule just is two-doctory. And then Rogue is not with us tonight. She decided that she needed a vacation.

So she's off to South Dakota. But we have with us Jess. She is Emmet's daughter. Actually, we probably should have done him, introduce her.

She's in the big leagues now. She can investigate on her own. So she is actually one of our investigators. So, hello.

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Okay. Okay. So Rogue was going to do the residential's, but we'll have Emmet do them. And you know, we just had a really interesting one and Jess actually was at that one.

Do you want to talk about that one? Yeah, it was pretty interesting. I got to try out some of my personal new kit. So that was really fun.

Had an EVP. Didn't get anything at that time, but there was a lot of like elementals there that was new for me. Right. So this lady called me.

She just, she, very, very nice woman. Very cute little family. And she had just some concerns. She had a door shut that she couldn't explain.

And just kind of the feels and it just scared her. And so she had us come over. She actually called me when I was in Egypt. And so I said, you know what, the spirits have to kind of do what you tell them because you have dominion over them.

And so I told her, I said, tell them just to go across the street. And when I get back from Egypt, we'll come and chat with them. So she did. And they did.

They just hung out across the street. And so when we got there, we called them back over and they came over. But we actually, there was an element that we dealt with and a little boy, an older woman and three girls that we helped cross over. And I just want to make a little mention of crossing over.

When it comes to crossing over, spirits have the ability to cross themselves over. They just get really hyper focused on other things. And so, you know, when we say, oh, we cross things over, what we do is we just focus our energy on the light so that the spirits can see that. And they cross themselves over.

So that's kind of our method. Yeah. So we're not like forcing anybody to cross over that. That's what they're, it's their choice.

They have their agency. A lot of them get a little bit lost and are not sure maybe a little fearful. Not quite sure what to do. Some of them want to stick around and stay on this plane.

Yeah, for example, the older woman spirit, she didn't want to cross. And so we said, well, you know, that's fine. Again, it's her agency. But we said, you can't, you know, stay in the house because the homeowner doesn't want you here.

So you need to go find someone else to go and she left on her. And you remember that residential we did in downtown Salt Lake last winter. And I felt this and heard this. It was kind of a new experience for me, but the old woman didn't want to cross over because you couldn't find her husband right away.

Right. And eventually she did and they both went through. But so that was that was an eye opener for me too. And you felt that right?

You heard that? Yes. And I think Andy did too. Yes.

And the thing about about spirits getting hyper focused, you know, I honestly don't know what it is. But when I had the spirit follow me home from Salem, you know, she thought that I was her mother's accuser. And you know, that bottled my mind. It's like, you know, she was just so focused on me.

She could see. So you got right on her good side right away. Right away. Right away.

Yeah. She just came right home. She tried to push me down the stairs and all sorts of stuff. But yeah, we just had to bring her attention to the fact that, hey, you know, I'm not sure.

It's not the 1500s anymore, lady. Look around. We literally had to force her, you know, look at myself and look around. Look at what we're wearing.

Does any of this look familiar at all to you? And it took some talking to get her to when she wants is already on her side. Right. Right.

That reminds me of the Loom Room lady at Benson. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

They just get real hyper focused on their one thing. So yeah, when we cross things over, we don't cross. We just draw their attention to the light so that if they choose to do so, they can cross themselves. But this woman going back to the residential squirrel, she actually was very interested in everything.

And she and I talked on the phone yesterday for about an hour. She just had a lot of questions. And we answer questions and she's like, well, that brings up more questions. And that's one of the reasons why the paranormal is so interesting is there's just never ending questions.

You know, it's amazed me too is not only this one, but the one before we seem to be and I don't know if it's the sign of the times or what we're finding more and more kids that are experiencing, you know, some powerful paranormal episodes and it's not phasing them. No. They're like, they accept it. They take it as right.

And they're like strong, strong personalities. Absolutely. That last one we did that had the portal that kind of was a column that went through the floor and up to the other room, which we haven't run into it. I mean, those kids were asking just as good as questions as we were.

I mean, we're brave to like, I wish you guys weren't so little like just bringing on the team. Yeah. They were. They weren't afraid of it at all.

Well, they were a little concerned. They weren't. They weren't. I mean, they were just getting right up there asking questions when you have spooky spider looking things.

Yeah. There's a little creepy little creepy, but they weren't afraid to get in there and do it needed to be done. And they thought. Yeah.

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because I'm getting better at it, but this is what I have noticed in my experience, is if it's a benign, nice, confused, normal type 1 spirit, they'll usually just tell you the truth. They might be a little confused, but usually just ask a question they answer it, or they don't answer it. The type 3's, the demonic entities, they lie, and all you have to do, when the course of asking questions, I'll ask the same question a couple different ways. And if I get conflicting answers, I'll ask the third and fourth way, and if they keep conflicting, it's like, I don't think you're...

But the thing about the elementals is their answers are just all over the place. It's hard to describe. You know, we'll just answer your question, you've got, we're gonna lie to you, and then when you call us out, then I guess we'll be straight with you. But elementals are just all over the board, at least with me.

And that's one way I've started to narrow it down. Do you know what? Let's kind of go along the elemental track and try to figure out if you're just messing with me. Yeah, just that random element, and they just don't care really.

They don't just don't care if humans are mad or not. Yeah, don't care. Maybe they don't understand certain questions. I don't know if this is something I want to kind of investigate a little bit more.

But yeah, you do this long enough and you start to go, you know, I don't think this is a one, two or three. You've never done learning. Nope. So...

So the main topic, we're gonna talk about Devil's Tower, and alien stuff related to Devil's Tower? Yes. And, you know, talk probably a little bit about close encounters of the third kind. That's probably kind of the quintessential aliens Devil's Tower movie.

We saw that in the theater. I did too. You didn't call it a documentary? Oh, the documentary, sorry, yeah.

I was waiting for that. Those are all documentaries. Yeah. Yeah.

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So Devil's Tower. So there's actually two Devil's Tower. Did you want to? No.

New Jersey. That is impressive as the one in Wyoming. It's like actual tower and like on a building. Oh, it's man-made.

Oh, okay. So we'll do it. We'll do it later. Later, later, we'll do a one on it.

I wrote it down in our list of stuff. I was like, oh, hey, there's two. But so we're talking about the one in Wyoming, the one that's a natural formation, the one in the documentary, Close Encounters of the Third Kind. If you haven't seen it, you need to watch it.

We're going to give a couple spoilers, but not too many. If you haven't seen Close Encounters by the third time, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, by now, it's your fault. It's been out for a hundred years. I think 47.

That's almost a hundred. It's almost a hundred. It's getting close. I've never seen it.

Okay, you're going to get some spoilers. Okay. You're young. That's okay.

Thanks. It's classic, though. You need to watch it. Okay.

Any glasses? I can't see. Yeah. So the movie came out in 77.

That's 10 years before my time. So 43. I remember it clearly. It was a big event.

It was a really big event. You know what? Dr. Jay Allen Heineck, who was one of the principles of that project Blue Book, he actually had a cameo appearance in that movie.

It's very cool. Yeah. You just see him for a second with his little, you know, a goatee beard and his pipe up close to the camera looking at the aliens, but that was really him. Wow.

That's awesome. Awesome. And it's got like this amazing score. I'm not going to, I promise you won't sing, but it's five notes.

You shouldn't sing either. Yeah, I've been told that I had other people too. You have to do it slow. Anyway, it's iconic.

Somebody did like a pop song based on that back then. Did you remember that vaguely? I have heard that. I don't remember what it is, but there's some.

Just when you mentioned it, I remembered that there was a pop song back in those days that was based on those five notes. Yes. And even though I give you a bad time for your bad singing, mine would have been worse. So, so you know, there's that.

So the thing that I thought was interesting about Devil's Tower is there's so many alien theories about Devil's Tower that it is like mecca for UFO enthusiasts and they meet there to reinforce, you know, all their alien beliefs, but it's actually not a hotspot for alien activity. No, and before close encounters of the third kind, I mean, there had been minor minor activity. There are some UFO activity, but it was really chosen because of how iconic it was for the movie. So it wasn't like Roswell or something where there was already lore and, you know, history about aliens in that area where alien sightings and so it was more this is a really cool sight.

Now, there's been a lot of spiritual things that were probably going to do this a little bit before with Native Americans and sightings and that's not to say that there haven't been things there historically, but it's been a much bigger thing since the documentary. No, you're right, because that's the first that I'd heard of it. It's being a hotspot. Yeah, and was that year in the release of the movie?

I'd never heard of Devil's Tower before that. So just when I was looking up stuff, I found two pictures, but both of them are really kind of iffy. One's like ants probably glare off of a windshield and one they think is a hoax. There's not a whole lot.

If you want to say something, just jump in. I have a couple things that were really interesting based on what you said. Yeah, just kind of. Yeah, and your hands.

Okay, here we go. In the 1900s, apparently there was the first photograph of the Devil's Tower and there's a clean, that is the first picture, one of the first pictures of UFOs in general. I tried to find it. I didn't find it, but I did see a video on YouTube that shows these weird three lights that zoom in the sky.

And there's two white ones and a line and then this red one that goes up. Was there a date on that video, do you remember? Let me look here. It was.

Was it film or video actually? They said it was like a five second interval of pictures of a live stream or something. Okay, so it's probably recent. Yeah, I think it said like 2017.

Okay, that's contemporary sighting. Cool. She's actually got her alien shirt on tonight too. She's ready.

I'm going to take a look at the time. So before we get more into any alien stuff, let's talk about what Devil's Tower actually is. The giant tree stump. So it looks like a giant tree stump, but it's actually geologically explainable.

A lot of people think it looks like a huge petrified tree and some people say, oh, there's a humongous petrified forest there a million years ago. But it's actually a volcanically derived feature and it's very inspiring, it's very unusual for sure, but it's volcanic. And if you remember the movie, who is the main character in the movie? Richard Dreyfus.

I can see his face. I can't think of his name. He made Devil's Tower out of mashed potatoes, if you remember that. That's why I kept seeing that online.

I was like, what is this? This means something. This means something. You remember that?

Yeah. And then didn't someone make their model with? He started with mashed potatoes and then he got bigger and bigger until it's like his whole living room. The whole dining room table.

He's out cutting out shrubs outside to get trees to put into his rendering. Yeah. Watch the documentary, he'll understand. But it's, so the type of rock it's made out of is called Ignis Intrusion.

If you're a geologist and I get some of this wrong, work with me. I'm not a geologist. It's called Ignis Intrusion. It's a liquid rock that cooled underneath the surface and it's just less prone to erosion and breakdown.

And one of the things, the reason it's kind of the hexagon shape is because as you said, it cools and it cools very slowly because it's never exposed. This never erupted out. It was never a volcano itself. It was a magma column that was rising and then never, and then never broke and cooled in place, but cooled in place.

But cooled in place over time. And so you get those hexagonal lava, I'll call them lava, the hexagonal stones. And they have the same kinds of things in Ireland and Scotland. Yes, I wrote this down.

Okay. So they have similar thing in Ireland that's called the Giant's Causeway. In Scotland it's called Finnagles Cave and there's one in California called the Devil's Postpile. That use those same.

Yeah, so my science teacher self was really into this. T-throx and minerals. There was sedimentary rock on the outside because that igneous rock is very, very strong. The sedimentary rock fell away and so it left behind that harder igneous rock.

And apparently 10,000 years ago was the last time one of those big columns fell. So it was all a lake bed? Yeah, apparently it was submerged under water and that was able to cool it down. And then I guess when the water went down over time, it left.

Yeah, sedimentary rock just got blown away. Erosion and weathering science. Wait, you mean it wasn't a tree stump? I mean that science too.

So it's a damn big tree. So there's a lot of Indian lore around this and they actually, the National Park Service closes. Okay, let me go back. So this is the first national monument in the country, was Devil's Tower.

I think it was 1906. Teddy Roosevelt, I know it's not. Yep, and it's open, you know, year round. But there is a period, and I think it was June.

It's June, yeah. June, they closed the monument just out of respect for the native servoins. So if you want to go, you know, UFOing, at Devil's Tower, June is out. June is for the native harvest.

That's probably the most active months too, right? Probably. And like the hottest. But you know what, there was one other physical aspect to these stones.

Apparently, if you hit them just right, they ring. Oh, that's cool. Yeah, I saw that in one of the YouTubes where they talked about that. There's a certain name of that of the kind of stone.

Let's look at our science. So I was thinking, first of all, Pumice, you know, you used to exfoliate. That is when it goes right into water and instantly cools and there's bubbles in it, like air pockets. So I'm wondering if there was some way that there's air pockets in it that's causing it.

That's interesting. I can't think of what cave it was, but I've been in a cave where they've hooked up things because I'm so smart. They hook up things to the stalactites and they actually play it like an organ. I'm out of school.

And I cannot think of where that was. Transducers? I don't know. They just have things hooked up.

And you played this organ and it would hit these stalactites. If I rate them. And they'd vibrate them and they'd just kind of do this hum. I really want to go to Devil's Tower and hook stuff up to it now and play the tower.

I want to do like an x-ray or whatever can see inside and the structure. So some people think it's hollow and that there's gold hidden in the caves. It's not hollow. Just FYI.

I know cave. No cave. It's just columns of igneous. So I can't follow my rainbow over and find the cave opening.

And get my gold. No. There's no gold. Okay.

No gold. It's on the top. That's where it is. It's on the top.

Gold's on the top. Okay. So there was an interesting Indian lore story about why it looks the way it looks. And the story goes that there was a giant bear who would chase young girls.

And not just like a big bear like a grizzly bear. The pictures that I found online was like a giant bear. I think like a three or four story tall bear. And the great spirit, the power of the great spirit rose up.

And he wasn't very happy that the giant bears chasing these girls. Chasing human girls. Yes. It's folklore.

You have to really stretch that imagination. But the great spirit was like, no, I'm not doing this. And so he actually rose the ground up. And as the bear was trying to crawl up after the girls, she could see me.

I'm doing a really great rendition here. He left scratch marks. And that explains the striations in the column in the tower. That takes you to the rock.

I heard him. I saw another legend. There's an evil spirit up there. And it's a hater and murderer of people.

And when he's enraged, there's a beating of drums and it causes thunderstorms and lightning. And apparently up there there's an explainable like lighting. So lights have been seen from there? Apparently, but I didn't see any two places.

Other than lightning. Apparently, like mysterious lights. And I saw some cool YouTube videos of Devil's Tower with lightning. I mean, around it was very awesome.

And that wasn't being paranormal. It was just, you know, YouTube's of cool lightning. It's pretty isolated, isn't it? There's nothing else like it around.

No, no, and that's the thing. You know, you think, oh, well, if there's one here, why aren't there others? I mean, it's what would you call them? Rolling Hills?

Yeah. When we went, we were there two years ago, two summers ago. We went in 2020 because there was nothing else to do in 2020. So we put kids in the car and did a road trip.

So we'll see a big rock. Well, the intent of the road trip was another big rock. Another big rock. We went to Mount Rushmore, but along the way there's Devil's Tower and there's things to see along the way.

Oh, and Rollins, if you forget the chance to do it. We did the Rollins territorial process. Yeah, there you go. On that side, right on the way.

We didn't go to the kids through. And I feel kind of bad because we didn't stay at Devil's Tower for very long. We got there as the sun had just gone down. Yeah, so we only...

We stayed in Rollins a little too long. Yeah, and then when we got to Devil's Tower, it's like, you better look fast kids because the sun's going to be down in about 15 minutes. So I got lost when I was talking about... Oh, yeah, the rolling hills.

There isn't much out there. Yeah, I mean, it's a pretty area. The landscape is pretty, but it's not like there are a lot of this type of geological structure. It's the only structure like that.

Yeah, there are rolling hills, rolling hills, plains, rolling hills, big tall mountains, the rolling hills. I mean, big tall column. And we call it volcanic, and it is because it's the magma that came up, but it was never a volcano. People think, oh, this is the, you know, from a volcano.

When it never became a volcano, it was just the column of magma that had risen. Kind of a stillborn volcano. Yeah. And it's the only one.

There aren't others in the area. Well, it's apparently that area is covered in water. So it's interesting, like, the area where it had that magma come up is where it's different, and then as the water went away and the winds of erosion. So it kind of left everything all flat, and then there's that cold thing.

Science teacher. Well, and then it makes you wonder, are there some other places they just haven't eroded yet? Oh, yeah, well, who knows what's on there? Yeah.

In our backyard, could we have the next Devil's Tower in our backyard? We just haven't eroded away yet. Could it be? It's like the Cincole of Florida.

I doubt it because our backyard's not that big honey. In case you hadn't noticed. Work with me here. What if you end up on the top?

Those around you? Oh, it would be isolated. That would be fantastic. You're looking gross, or you know.

Amazon's going to deliver with drones. Oh, yeah. Okay. Okay.

Okay. We're good. Amazon can still come. I'm happy.

Apparently with the being volcanic areas are supposedly known for having UFO sightings. They go there a lot. I'm just, it's a squirrel day. I just want everyone to appreciate the fact that Jessica and I have the same little tiny notes on little tiny paper.

I got my readers on it. I can't read either one of them. Well, I hand-read one of them. When you know when I hand-write my own notes, what happens?

I can't read half of it. You two are prepared. So usually you think teachers have wonderful handwriting. I don't know how I became teacherless.

Terrible handwriting. I could be a doctor based on the handwriting. But I'm, okay. Sorry.

That's a squirrel. So the Native Americans name for this wasn't Devil's Tower. Did you go into that at all? Or did you see anything on that?

Is it a sacred site or an evil site for the natives? I think sacred. Sacred. For most of them, it's like Bear Lodge that, and there's some people trying to get it to be called back to what, you know, the Native Americans did rather than the Devil's Tower.

Have it renamed. I don't think that's such a bad idea, really. They actually talked about, I think it was a military guy that had done some exploring in the area, and actually there was a word which meant, you know, like Bear's home or Bear's Lodge in the Native American deal. But it was very close to something that was like evil lodge in that sort of evil home.

That's, you know, what he picked up out of that of not understanding the language. And so he then translated it into Devil's Tower. And that's kind of where the Devil's Tower came. But it was never, I won't say never.

It's main emphasis wasn't around Devil or Evil. It was more of a Bear Lodge. So it's just a poor translation. Okay.

From the Native Cheyenne or whatever the language was to, and I know what I did see what it was, I didn't know that, but to the English and the words between, you know, like the Bear Lodge kind of thing and the evil thing were very close in that other language. It was a syllable different. And he got the wrong syllable and translated. May as well correct it there.

Yeah, because it's never been the evil tower or anything like that in the Native cultures. It was more of a Bear Lodge, the Bear House. And then there's me. I'm just old and stubborn.

There's an arena in Salt Lake City where the Utah Jazz, you know, the NBA basketball team plays. What does it call now? The Vivint Center? It was called the Delta Center like 30 years ago.

I still call it the Delta Center. I still call it the Salt Palace and the Salt Palace was ripped down. So they could name Devil's Tower, Bunny Land, and I will still call it Devil's Tower until I die because I'm just in town. Yeah, Hater.

In Tampa. There's the USB-4th amphitheater and then they changed it 1-800 as Gary Amphitheater. And I refused to call it that. It will forever be for amphitheater.

And Pluto is still a planet, right? No. I'm not going to be back to it being a planet. So I don't know much about that.

Squirrel, I saw something on that too the other day. Maybe we need to change what the definitions of planets are again. And yeah, that's what happens. There's almost like castles back on the show.

We're having a really hard time staying on. I'm going to bring it back around. It's interesting though. Okay, yeah, yeah.

I can bring it back around. Jessica's going to be our voice of reason. Bring it back. Well, the way you're talking about how is it like a sacred place or evil?

It kind of reminds me a lot of native stories are like why something is the way it is. Like, why is the sun the sun? So I feel like that story with the Bear is just explaining like this is why it exists instead of being a big star. Are there sky people in any of the legends?

Like a spirit or something that brought the big stone up to protect the seven girls from the Bear. And I think they said in one of the legends the seven girls are the stars and the ladies' constellation. Yeah, they're turned into it. Yep, because they're called the seven sisters.

The Pleavies. The other important is the seven sisters. Once again explaining a story of why that exists. Yeah, and that constellation and tied into the tower.

Very interesting. And again, the great spirit, you kind of get back into that and the lore, the Native American and the lore around those things. Did you research some about, there was like an anniversary, like 40th anniversary of the close of cameras of the third kind. And so they had people coming to do like UFO stuff discontinued in 2018.

But yeah, so they have like events there. It's like a yearly convention on site. That no longer exists. Yeah.

They discontinued it. Why? It didn't say. Because I was thinking too.

I was like, that's not quite that time. Okay. They were all abducted. I was going to say maybe they didn't get abducted.

So they got discouraged and just quit. Well, that could be. Somebody forgot to bring the tin foil. So this is something that I thought was interesting because we did a podcast years ago in Laylines.

But I know that Emmet has talked about interesting and I wouldn't mind doing another one on Laylines. You know, just in my mind's eye, I still can see the last Laylines map I looked out of the western U.S. And I bet you that Layline that goes through Skinwalker Ranch and the Nexus in South Davis County. I bet that same Layline probably goes very close to Devil's Tower.

And I will look that up. Because one of the little notes that I found and I thought was very interesting is it says it's presumed to be on a nearly north south Layline that also goes through the Denver airport, NORAD and Roswell. So I thought that was interesting. Well, if it's also on the east west line for Skinwalker, yeah.

Then you got like a double. And that node that's out there in South Davis County is a very major node. It's exactly between the major hub in Canada and the one in Mexico. And the one in Mexico is supposedly it's a hub of corruption.

The one in Canada is a hub of goodness and truth. And the one right here, you know, close to the south shore, the Great Salt Lake is a balanced node. Well, and then there's supposedly a gigantic Layline up American Park Canyon that's a negative one. And we need Jessica to bring us back to the west.

I was actually waiting for the opportunity. I want to go back to what Emmett said about, I think his name is Joseph Allen Heineck. Yeah, he's the one in the movie. Correct, yeah.

He was a famed astronomer, a professor and one of the first official uofologists. And to claim that alien life is here and has been for eons. So let's see here. I like a quote here.

I have come to support less and less the idea that UFOs are nuts and bolts spacecrafts from the other world. There are too many things going against this theory. To me, it seems ridiculous that super intelligence would travel great distances to do relatively stupid things like stop cars, collect soils, samples and frighten people. I think we must begin to examine the evidence.

We must begin to look closer to home at anything life already here. See, I totally 100% agree with that because I'm writing a paper right now. And the for an assignment, it's an assigned topic. It's not a topic I picked.

The topic is to explain why the pyramids of Giza were not built by aliens. And why would an alien come down and build a pyramid? They got better things to do, anyway. They have their own world to decorate.

They look like an expression of monster ego to me. Right, yeah, basically, yeah. And I'm reading all this stuff and it's like, no, if you think aliens build the pyramids, you need to get a hobby because there's too much evidence that points to the fact that they did not. So same thing with Devil's Tower.

There's too much evidence to the contrary proving that aliens don't. He thought that UFOs and alien life on Earth may be linked to another dimension where UFO sightings are tied to some physical barrier that somehow broken and those people can see them. Yeah, I think the interdimensional type of thing is more plausible than the extraterrestrial slash, you know, interstellar kind of thing, just because of the vast distances and even if you can travel at the speed of light. You know, and they start talking about that, you know, to have a ship have enough energy to be able to get anywhere near the speed of light.

It's a figure of diminishing returns because you get to the point that the spaceship to be able to travel near the speed of light has to be able to travel near the speed of light. It's a very big speed of light has to be infinitely big. You know, moving into mass needs of infinite energy, but I submit that if you go the interdimensional route, the physical separation is no longer an issue. Right.

And that's where I am on the interdimensional route that there's different realms. They can still come from Andromeda, but you know, they're just not doing it in a ship. They're just not doing it manipulating space-time to do it somehow. Right.

And I think it's just really easy. You know, you look back in history on all the different, you know, Egyptian mythology, Greek mythology, Roman mythology, Indian lore. If you can't explain something through science because your technology is not there, you explain it other ways. And I think people still do that.

You know, we don't know how the pyramids were built. We don't know this or that. So rather than try to figure it out, aliens. That's why we have cable TV.

We could do a science investigation and make something similar to it with the bricks and all that and try to figure out engineering. And I just think, I don't know. I'm gonna get on my soapbox here, so just give me one minute and then we'll go back to the topic. But just because you don't understand how the ancient people did something or modern people did something, don't just assume that...

It was aliens? I don't know. I think it's very egotistical of people to go, well, they didn't have the technology that we have, so they couldn't possibly have done it. So it must be aliens.

I don't know. That thinking bothers me a lot. They gotta modify their own in a non-metal technology way. Yeah.

How much knowledge have we had and lost? Exactly. You explain that in a little bit about in the Western world, some of the things that the Arabs had kept from mathematics and science that the Europeans had and lost. Oh, before that, look at everything that burned in the library at Alexandria.

Right. That's what I was thinking about. Isn't that what's that EPCar? Yeah.

That was a huge loss. Yeah. And so we've lost how much? What are techniques and things that people learned over literally millennia that was passed down, fathered to son, family to family on how things were done with these building of the pyramids and the different things?

That was all probably perfectly cataloged in the Great Library. Yeah. People had that knowledge. And it's one of those things that's like, well, we probably don't really need to keep everybody's in how to move these huge zones because we're not building pyramids all the time.

The years of pyramid building went away for a while. And so that knowledge wasn't used and wasn't passed down, not that it hadn't been documented somewhere because it may very well have been, but then lost. But it wasn't being practiced because there was no, they weren't building pyramids at that time. That era of those kind of great monuments left and they started doing things like the tombs in the Valley of the Kings rather than the huge monuments that city.

Yeah, they started doing the Ramses II. Oh, and some of those projects were like an entire lifetime of work for an architect or a designer or something. I mean, amount of language is lost just because it didn't quite get passed down. I mean, of course, technology advances were back in the day, could it?

Right. So anyway, back to, I can go back to it. Jessica, help us help us. Bring on the aliens.

So I was talking, I was looking through and there was a man in 1941, I'm trying to flip my little special notebook paper here. He parachuted to the top and he apparently said that there was like alien looking artifacts at the top. What do you the first one to ever do it? Yeah, and then he had problems getting down and took like several days and so probably a plenty of time to.

And of course didn't take any pictures of the alien artifacts. I'm sure maybe the cameras are too big in 1941. I don't know. Brownie cameras, I don't know.

Not that huge, but of course, yeah, we didn't bring it down with him. Did he or was it carved in stone? Apparently, whenever they were trying to like help them out, they like, they flew and dropped stuff for helping and he had a microphone and he was like, can you bring comics to? So I don't think it was weird about a camera apparently.

Well, maybe there's still those artifacts are still up there. Yeah, it was for a $50 bet is why he even did it. So I wonder if he could send a drone. That's what I was thinking.

Apparently you can fly drones there or someone was saying online. So play a drone over it. We could do that. One of these days.

Hi. I have there was someone talking about an experience they had visiting. The visitor reported being chased away from the base at dusk by devilish black figures who laughed demonically and ran twice as fast as the fastest humans. Oh, that sounds kind of cool.

And yet these people still could not run them? I guess what I was thinking. I was like, did you duck away and? We got to the car just in time.

They had their little radar gun as they went by. My experience of picture taking at Bellstown was a smile. I know you've driven for a smile. Smile.

Pretend like you like each other. And then kids are like that's a big rock. I've never got to go down. I've seen it.

I've got to go to the bathroom. The nice thing about going there in 2020 was there a newbie there. Oh, yeah. And you'd think they'd go to outside things.

No, everyone was told up in the house for an hour. The Renaissance figure got full of people because it's an outside experience. Then we didn't realize that we went on the stairs just week. That's why we had a hard time finding a hotel kind of near Mount Rushmore.

We ended up in Spearfish. I think that's what it's called. It was a beautiful little town. But when we went through the sturges, it's like, and it's motorcycle week.

No, that was fun. Kids look motorcycles. Repeat that about every 35 seconds. That's way more fun than Devil's Tower.

And then we went to Mount Rushmore after that. It was a great trip. We just had a really hard time staying on the topic of Devil's Tower. If you get a chance to go see it, here's a little plug for going to see Devil's Tower.

Where we live in Utah, kind of North Central Utah, driving to Disneyland is not a big deal. It's 12 hours. We get the kid's car. Kids are going to go to Disneyland to get to drive 12 hours.