Did Spencer Pratt Really Lose? (Making Sense of Election Fraud Claims)

Dive into the controversy surrounding the Los Angeles mayoral election with Malcolm and Simone Collins on Based Camp. Spencer Pratt appeared to be on track for a runoff spot but was suddenly overtaken by a third Democratic candidate amid massive late mail-in ballot surges. Was this organic voting patterns, or something more suspicious?The Collinses review claims of election irregularities, including the puzzling vote count updates that showed zero votes for Pratt in one batch, Skid Row vote harvesting (with residents allegedly paid in cigarettes and cash), ballot collection practices, and the broader issues of mail-in voting in deep-blue LA. They explore both the mainstream counter-narratives and on-the-ground reports while discussing voter ID, election integrity, and why local races matter.Episode TranscriptMalcolm Collins: [00:00:00] Hello, Simone. I’m excited to be here with you today. Today, we are going to be discussing the latest LA election and the shenanigans that- that may or may not have occurred around that.Shenanigans.A couple of our fans were like, “This is the most blatant cheating I have ever seen in an American election,” and they wanted us to look into it.And I will say that this is an interesting thing for me to look into, because I really don’t know... Like, obviously, if there was election fraud that happened The New York Times, NPR, all the major leftist sources are not going to admit it, because they didn’t want Pratt to win, right?Simone Collins: Well, and what I did hear from my broad leftist news sources wasMalcolm Collins: Yeah,Simone Collins: you gotta go, buddy.What I heard from my broad leftist news sources was something along the lines of the Republicans are butt-hurting because Pen- Spencer Pratt didn’t even come close to winning, but he never would because he’s a Republican running in LA, and that seems totally reasonable, so I didn’t think to look further.How can this be a [00:01:00] thing? I, I don’t understand why there could be any weirdness-Malcolm Collins: Yeah, and then the, the secondary thing is obviously, and I, I, you know, I hate to say this about our side, but our side, like if he if, if there was actual election fraud, they would all be saying that regardless. So we don’t actually gain any new information from what they say there.But we don’t gain a lot of new information from our side because obviously no matter what happened, if he legitimately lost at the last second our side would of course come out and say there’s election fraud, right? So that doesn’t exactly give me additional informationso what we’re going to do is we are going to review from both sides pieces on this particular alleged fraud.AndSimone Collins: then we’re going to- Wait, so the fraud ‘cause you had told me earlier that you thought that the issue was... I mean, it’s inevitable that a Democrat’s gonna win in Los Angeles.Malcolm Collins: No. It’s not so it’s kind of fraud. So there was a, a two-tiered runoff, okay? Okay. This is the gist of it, right? So there’s this runoff system, it’s called, like, a jungle primary where they decide who’s gonna run, and it means- Okayyou can have multiple Dems running against each other- Sure ... or a Dem versus a [00:02:00] Republican. Yeah. The leading candidate was this terrible Dem candidate. The, the Black woman, whatever her name is. Anyway she, she was coming in first. Then Pratt was coming in, and then there was a third Democrat that had about half the votes that Pratt had- Okayin terms of sentiment polling, in terms of what they were able to measure, in terms of, like, at the ballots, bold, voter exit polling. And then at the very last moment, all of a sudden this flips. Mm. And all of a sudden- Mm ... Pratt’s getting no more votes- Uh-huh, uh-huh, uh-huh ... and all the votes are going to the third candidate.This is something that the, the narrative of I have laid it out is the narrative that even the left disagree with. Everyone agrees Pratt was demonstrably in the lead i- in terms of spot number two. And then now was he ever gonna win the full election? I, probably not. But the having him i- be in the final runoff was scaring people, right?So Pratt was demonstrably in [00:03:00] the lead, then all of a sudden this socialist candidate flips it up, right? And-Simone Collins: Doesn’t it have to do more with the fact that mail-in voting was very heavy in the Los Angeles election, that ballots could be posted quite late, and that it could be that this particular third candidate had a really heavy and also late mail-in voting campaign push?Malcolm Collins: Well, that is the only plausible thing, except from at least my reading of this, they didn’t have a heavy and late mail-in voting push. So the explanation that leftists have been usingOkay. The explanation that leftists have been using for this is that, okay, yes, she didn’t have a coordinated mail in voting campaign that could explain this, but mail in voters are overwhelmingly Democratic in nature, right?And so if the mail in voters are overwhelmingly Democratic in nature-I don’t even remember what I was saying.Simone Collins: So I had asked you it, [00:04:00] my, what I had heard was, oh, the Republicans are butt hurting about Spencer Pratt being in a minority lead for a little bit and then losing a bunch of ground all of a sudden seemingly. But what they’re missing is that Republicans are heavy with in-person voting, Democrats are heavy with mail-in voting, and in Los Angeles and in California in general I think even postmarked- Oohmaybe even possibly up to the day of the election you can still submit mail-in ballots, and that what is happening is that possibly this third candidate or Democrats in general were just doing their last minute thing and sending in their mail-in ballots- Yes ...Malcolm Collins: and that’s what wasSimone Collins: happening.Malcolm Collins: So we will explore this theory, but there’s- Okaya problem with it.Simone Collins: Okay.Malcolm Collins: The problem goes that in this last minute push that happened all of a sudden for this Democratic candidate, the votes should have, right, like if it had been like a normal election, should have continued to go disproportionately to the Democrat who looked like they were going to win the first place, right?The voting [00:05:00] shouldn’t have shifted between Democratic candidates late in the process like this. That doesn’t make mathematical or narrative sense. So we’re going to get it- Because, yeah, it could just be that a bunch of Dem votes came in at the last minute, right? But then those votes would presumably proportionally still be for the person who won top ticket first, and then for the person who ended up beating out Pratt second, not almost all exclusively for the person who edged out Pratt.So we’re gonna look into both of these explanations because there are, you know, plausibles and then it’s like, okay, yeah, but what’s really happening here?Simone Collins: Yeah. Like, my, my standing plausible theory is that whatever that third candidate that got a surge after, you know, the, the, then overtook Spencer Pratt was just one who heavily focused on last minute mail-in ballot-Malcolm Collins: Yeahvoting. So we’re gonna see if that’s true, and we’re also going to go into what the leftist counter-narrative is. So I’m gonna start with the leftist counter-narrative, okay? The leftist counter-narrative goes like this. And [00:06:00] I’ll be reading from a piece, How a Misreading of Data Fueled False Claims About LA Mayoral Vote Count.Okay?Late on election night, an update of vote counts in Los Angeles mayor’s election appeared on electoral results pages of various media outlets, including the Los Angeles Times. It showed leading Democrats Mayor Karen Bass and Council Member Neda Rahman receiving tens of thousands of new votes, and leading Republican former reality TV star Pen- Spencer Pratt from receiving no new votes.So basically, on the screen, there was this big, like, huge number of votes to these two Democrats, and then literally zero votes for Spencer Pratt. Some voter, observers of the vote tally immediately took the screenshots with some shouting fraud. I mean, that looks a lot like fraud. Others ran statistical analysis that showed it would be impossible for a candidate such as Pratt running second in the race to receive zero votes in such a large batch of bal- ballots.In fact, the update that showed zero Pratt votes was [00:07:00] followed one minute later by another update that showed tens of thousands of votes for Pratt and none for Bass or Rahman. There was no batch of votes that included zero votes for any candidate, and LA County’s own data shows that plainly. But the claim’s fit was the broader false narrative being pushed relentlessly by Trump and other Republicans in recent days that California Democrats were cheating.Voter data pushed out by the Associated Press came as two separate updates one minute apart, with Bass and Rahman’s votes in the first and Pratt’s in the second. The AP vote count receives updates as provided by election officials and adds them to our vote count. What happened in this case is that there was some log in an automated update, such as that one candidate’s votes were added in an update, and the other candidates were followed about a minute later, the Associated Press told The Times.Specifically, an elec- electronic update from the Los Angeles County website pulled in votes from only one cro- group of candidates, including Karen Bass and N- Rahman. [00:08:00] Exactly one minute later, the electra- the electronic update picked up votes from another group of candidates, including Spencer Pratt.Taken together, the updates included the 21,000 votes for Pratt, the 12,000, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. Okay. Does that sound plausible to you?Simone Collins: I don’t know with this election stuff. Like, the way stuff is counted and the way stuff is reported to me feels very opaque even though it’s designed to allegedly be trackable and, and transparent.And I know that there’s a ton of shady stuff, and also very inconsistent stuff that comes with mail in ballots. For example, we just voted in the Republican primary election in our local area, right? And we had requested due to sometimes unexpected travel to have mail in ballots. You received your mail in ballot.I did not even though I requested mine. And I know that I had requested one because- Well, there’s been aMalcolm Collins: lot of it. When you say I received, you didn’t receive your mail in ballot, what we’ve seen, and somebody might have voted under your name by the way just so you [00:09:00] know what’s been a common form of voter fraud recently is going around houses and taking the mail in ballots as they come in-Simone Collins: YeahMalcolm Collins: and then using them to vote. And people have been filmed doing this. This isn’t a conspiracy.Speaker 20: On Tuesday just before midnight, David Sprouse’s surveillance cameras captured this man stealing not just his mail but his neighbor’s as well. It was a younger-looking man, uh, happened to come down the sidewalk. He was wearing a ball cap, face mask, gloves. Uh, carefully opened up our mailbox, took out all of our mail.Simone Collins: Yeah, and yeah. It’s, this is, this is entirely possible because in the last election your ballot was missing. Remember when you had to fill out the provisional? ‘Cause I, then I went to the polling station this year.I had to go to toMalcolm Collins: vote. Yeah, I did not, and all these replies-Simone Collins: And I was like, “Well, okay, maybe I forgot to request my mail in ballot. Maybe it was my mistake so I’ll just go and vote.” So I go and vote. They’re like, “Well, you requested a mail in ballot so now you have to fill in a provisional ballot instead.”And so I did that. And remember last time we voted you had to do that because your mail in ballot went mysteriously missing. So e- if you and I are [00:10:00] experiencing this,Malcolm Collins: but the point being is that it, it’s happened in multiple election cycles with our house, which makes it to me seem highly plausible that we are looking at systemic election fraud happening in this way in our area.I- given that the, the, their systems all show the vote went out, right? Like, that’s why we’re having to fill in these provisional ballots. It’s not, like, a mistake that we made or something like that, and it’s happened multiple times. Mm. So- Yeah. And, and we do know that the, the, the wider Philadelphia area is one of the areas where, th- that has had serious allegations of this.It has? And note now for the people who are like, “Election fraud never happens,” we now have videos... What? Oh, the kids. We now have videos of people stuffing the ballot boxes and stuff like that in some past recent American elections.Speaker 16: This surveillance video, showing a supporter of Mayor Joe Ganim and a City Hall employee stuffing envelopes into the dropbox outside the Bridgeport Government Center. Now, the other [00:11:00] investigation will look into the use, distribution, and possession of absentee ballots at the Fireside Apartments, which is a senior and disabled public housing here in the Park City.The Commission says even before last Tuesday’s primary, there was a significant attention in allegations of ballot abuse.Malcolm Collins: Yeah. Mm. Have you seen these, Simone? They’re crazy.Simone Collins: No. And also, like, these days I don’t know what’s fake and what’s real, and-Malcolm Collins: Well, it, it becomes, itSimone Collins: becomes a blur of realI, I mean, like, when, when I ran, when I ran for office here- Like- ... remember, like, I, I spoke with a lot of people who were super involved in elections- Mm ... who were getting out the vote, who were trying to help the... In, in my case, of course, since I was a Republican candidate, I was talking with people doing the Republican stuff.And they were talking about their experiences watching elections, watching the votes come in, and then seeing these strange and sudden changes in vote count and jumps in favor of a different candidate at the last minute. But again, like- I don’t know. You know, in the end, likeMalcolm Collins: there’s- But no, Simone, what I’m telling you, is there have been confirmed videos- Mmof people stuffing [00:12:00] vote mailboxes. This is not a maybe it’s AI generated or something like that. This is a, this is coming from police who have gone through security videos that have shown people showing up in the middle of the night with big bundles of ballots, looking really shady both ways, stuffing them in the box, then coming back 30 minutes later and doing it again.Jesus.Simone Collins: Oh,Malcolm Collins: my ... th- th- there, there have been elections in the United States where this has happened. We know from the Texas issues that there were I think it was, what was it? At least like 50,000, 100,000 fake votes. And, and this is just in Texas that were confirmed. So like we know that this is happening in the United States.Like, these are questions. The idea that you should never question an election, I think as soon as Trump won again, that went out the window because then all the Democrats started saying-Simone Collins: Well, hey, that’s... See, Trump is just doing God’s work, all right? He’s getting them to be critical of election integrity.They sh- I mean, again, like it’s, it’s so funny. I grow up thinking like, “Of course vote by mail is fine. Of course we don’t [00:13:00] need voter ID.” And now I’m like, wait a second, like this is actually super shady. Like, I, I even don’t like the idea that... Again, like when I went to the polling station to do my provisional ballot this year, I I w- I was like, “Oh crap, I don’t have my ID with me.”Like, it... Of course I assumed as any, like, normal person that if I’m going to vote in an election, and if this is something where it’s like, oh, you know, I verified this, verified that, like they’re gonna ask me for my ID. And yet, no, it’s just like your, your name and a signature or something.Malcolm Collins: Yeah. So the, the biggest coun- counter to this piece is that it doesn’t focus on the core instance of election fraud that Republicans are claiming, right?It doesn’t explain either of the... It basically focuses on one glitch that would make anyone suspicious, right? Why, why were the two Democratic candidates in one grouping and the Republican candidate in a different grouping in the way that they were handling the ballots in the first [00:14:00] place, right? Like, presumably they would all have their own groupings if that’s the way it was being done, where they would be updated individually, not in groupings like that.That makes very little sense. I can see why people were suspicious of that. But then it doesn’t even mention the other claims that people are talking about- Mm ... with the Skid Row vote harvesting. So we’re gonna get into that in a second, but I also wanted to, before I go further- Skid- oh, they’reSimone Collins: going to, like, vagrants living in tents and stuff and getting them to vote?Malcolm Collins: Yeah, and paying them to voteSimone Collins: Ah.Malcolm Collins: And there have been, lots of people have reported on this. There’s been a lot of on the ground reporters who have gone and asked the people in-Simone Collins: Yeah, that’s just the, the sort of thing that would be great for YouTube views. I could totally s- yeah.Malcolm Collins: Yeah, and they’re, they’re, they’re, it’s, they’re all saying like, “Oh yeah, of course.Like I got cigarettes for voting this year. I got, I got $2 for voting this year.” You know? Or for filling out these forms. You know, and people have been saying in the comments and stuff like this, that this is actually a very old practice in LA County that they use. Specifically things like [00:15:00] teachers unions and stuff like that use it whenever they wanna get something through, you know, like, the, the, it’s, it’s like... Well, what’s wrong, buddy?Simone Collins: Friend? Friend? Whoa. Okay, here we go Friend, did we... We’re not missing any threads. I think he just, like, deep throated a thread and then it came out and ignited his gag reflex. You okay now, buddy?Malcolm Collins: He wants it back immediately now that he’s choked on itSimone Collins: Oh,Malcolm Collins: God. Going straight at it again. Okay. Oh, God.Simone Collins: Okay. Yeah. Tripping on voter fraud.Malcolm Collins: So what we’re gonna go, and, and I will put some of these videos in hereSimone Collins: Yeah ... for you people. I, yeah, I, I would, yes. I wanna-Malcolm Collins: But the problem with this is, like, nobody cares. And it’s been interesting, Jimmy, because we can [00:16:00] see this vote buying happening.Everybody knows that Democrat, like, on the ground people would do this. It doesn’t even need to be institutionalized. But this wouldn’t explain the last minute change in mail-in voting, right? Because the Skid Row voters are not the mail in voters. You, you don’t have a lot of mail in voters who are homeless people, right?The homeless people who are being paid to vote are coming and voting in person likely. So that doesn’t really fit the broader narrative here. But let’s go into this. Here we have a piece called Spencer Pratt Pack uncovers disturbing new mystery in Skid Row. Okay? And this is from the New York Post. A Spencer Pratt volunteer team has claimed they found lots of ballots that were sent out to Skid Row, but few were actually voted in the mayoral l- race.The California Post joined four members of the Pratt pack on Sunday as they spent hours touring the rundown neighborhood. Former California State Senate candidate Susan Collins, interviews a resident on Skid [00:17:00] Row. They asked dozens of local about voter registration, mail in ballots, and the petition gatherers who had worked in the district for years trying to get them to vote.It comes just a week after Pratt was dumped out of the race for mayor after Karen Bass won and Nayan Ramak received a huge pile of mail in ballots that saw her dramatically overtake him. Susan Collins, a former California State Senate candidate, who was part of the Pratt pack on Sunday, told the Post, “We’re finding a lot of people being registered to vote, a lot of ballots being sent out, and nobody actually voted.”Oh, so that would explain how they did it Okay, so, so this is what basically is being alleged, Simone. It’s that they are going in and paying these people to register to vote, and then basically keeping their information, and because these people are homeless anyway, like, the vote’s not gonna go to their house.They just send it to their own houses and then mail on behalf of these people. I think the... [00:18:00] No one can hear you. You’re muted. You’re muted.Simone Collins: Okay, so I am me, whatever, right? I, and I care about getting X candidate registered, so I just walk along Skid Row and I’m like, “Hey, can I, can I register you? You can just use my address,” and they don’t even necessarily know what I-Yeahand then I give them a pack of cigarettes, probably just a cigarette, maybe three. I don’t know. Whatever. And then I just get their, their thing. I, w- I, I, I forge their signa- I mean, they, they do this weird thing where, like, the signatures are supposed to match, so how do, how do you think that would work?Malcolm Collins: You just- I don’t think they check or care if it’s a Democratic candidate. I mean, come on. They’re not, they’re not really checking right now. The thing that people keep asking for, Republicans keep pushing for, is the voter rolls. And- Mm-hmm ... the fact that they are not releasing the voter rolls, like, I can understand if they believe that there is fraudulent voting going on- YeahWhy they wouldn’t release these voter rolls, right? Because it would look really bad for them to do.Yeah.And I’d point out here, you, you’re like, “Yeah, LA is heavily Democrat leaning,” which [00:19:00] is true, but Pratt’s campaign was astonishingly good, and Democrats have done an astonishingly bad job running LA for a while at this point.Simone Collins: People are getting pretty fed up.Speaker 11: Please, I’m begging you. There’s homeless drug addicts in front of the schools. My children aren’t safe. Look, if you were a transgender migrant, I could get you a free pussy. Let’s move the drug addicts closer. Bass already solved crime. I endorse her. Next!Speaker 14: I just wanna rebuild my home. It’s been over a year.[00:20:00]Speaker 15: This is a machine. If we wanna burn this town to the groundFeels so close to you right now You can do it, Spencer!Simone Collins: I’m, there, there was, there was a lot of of smear campaignage to try to make Pratt look bad, of course, as well But yeah, sureMalcolm Collins: Also to your question of whether she did some big [00:21:00] genius last-minute mail in campaign what AI said is, no, she didn’t. It said the most realistic answer is Rama is a sitting council member who is well-known among progressive LAs.Her base, younger, more liberal urban Democrats, is much more likely to vote by mail closer to the deadline.Simone Collins: Yeah.Malcolm Collins: The problem, again, is why did they switch from voting from the front runner to her all of a sudden the moment it looked like the front runner was going to beat Pratt?Simone Collins: Maybe because once you know they’re gonna win, why give them pity votes when you could show support for an underdog that you really like?Malcolm Collins: That’s a good possible explanation. They’reSimone Collins: waiting. Like, I, I could see myself doing that as a young Los Angeles voter trying to... I, I guess she gets nothing out of it, but she has a less- ... a less embarrassing loss. And, and certainly getting more votes, it could be a starting point to future campaigns. You know, it shows future campaign donors that she has the capability of gaining traction even when running up against [00:22:00] better funded, more famous opponents, right?So-Malcolm Collins: Yes. So to go back into what’s f- f- fuddy here. Okay A review of public records identified more than 7,600 registered voters linked to shelters, supportive housing projects, addiction to their treatment centers, and social services agencies, including one of 160 registrants contacted to the Midnight Mission in Skid Row.One longtime local told volunteers on Sunday he personally knew the Mariana Del Rey woman recently charged by federal prosecutors was paying homeless people to register to vote. Brendan Lee Brown Armstrong, also known as Annika, was charged in May with paying another person to register to vote. So people have been charged over this as well.This isn’t just a conspiracy theory. The question is, are they still doing it? According to federal prosecutors, Armstrong worked for years as a paid petition circulator collecting signatures for California ballot measures, and has agreed to plead guilty. Wow. “She was right on this corner,” they said. This was her area,” Titus Brown told volunteers.Brown [00:23:00] claimed people were routinely offered money or cigarettes to sign forms. “She gives them $3 to $5. Some of the cheap people she’d give $2 and a cigarette,” he alleged. But Brown told LA Times- Dude, that’sSimone Collins: so littleMalcolm Collins: Our elections are being sold for very little. But you know, they pay more per vote if you’re talking about, like, the main elections in the United States.Simone Collins: Yeah. For sure. That’s crazy.Malcolm Collins: Throughout the years residents remembered registering to vote. They remember petition gatherers. What many didn’t remember was actually casting a ballot which is interesting. They, they remember people coming around and trying to get them to register. They just don’t remember then voting.Speaker 3: Videos posted online by LA Needs Spencer Pratt shows multiple Skid Row residents claiming they received around $2 in exchange for voting in the recent Los Angeles election. Karen Bass, yeah? Yeah. Or, or Nithya Raman? Uh, Karen.Speaker 5: Karen. They told you to vote for Karen? Yeah. They had to sign the little thing. That’s, uh, and how much they pay you? It’s, like, two bucks. [00:24:00] Two bucks? Oh, to sign off on a, on a thing to vote for her? Yeah. And so they do this for everybody out here? Yeah, they come out here all the time. Several residents made similar claims.Speaker 3: One man alleged he was not registered to vote in Los Angeles County but was still encouraged to complete paperwork. I’m not in this county. I’m in San Bernardino County, but they just said, “Who cares?” They gave me a name to, to write. They gave you a name to sign? They gave me everything to sign. They gave me a whole paper of, like, who, what to write and who to sign and everything, so.Another resident alleged people were sometimes instructed how to complete voter paperwork and ballots. But we know that they gotta answer to somebody by what they said, so it ‘cause it’s not authentic. I don’t wanna have to scratch it out. And don’t let your signature look like the other signature. Can you use your other hand, or can you write with your foot or your nose?Speaker 7: I’m serious. They ask you to do that? Yeah. For ballots? And I was doing it just so I could get the money.Malcolm Collins: The volunteers moved through the tents, shelters, and service centers, sidewalk encampments, interviewing people, residents about their experiences with the drives. “A [00:25:00] lot of people never voted,” Brown said. “They did register, but they just wanted the names.” That’s interesting. For Collins, a- and ap- apparently this was still happening in this election, and they know people have been arrested for doing this in past elections, so it sounds like it’s still operational.For Collins, who had spent the year raising concerns about ballot collection practices, the most striking part of Sunday’s visit was hearing the same story repeated block after block. “So what I’ve been hearing from a lot of people is that they’re registered to vote,” Collins says. “I’ve not found anyone, anyone who has actually voted.”Simone Collins: Wow.Malcolm Collins: The big question is what happened to all those ballots? People remember getting them. They don’t remember voting. So where did they go? And Julio, who was visiting Skid Row for the first time, described that experience as eye-opening and said it strengthened her determination to be involved rather than watch from afar.“It was really intense,” Juliano said. “We saw a guy chasing another guy with a shovel and attack him.” Juliano said she came to sh- Skid Row looking for answers and convinced there was more to the election story than the voters were being told. Wow. “I guess I was part of [00:26:00] trying to figure out what happened.The numbers just don’t make sense. That’s why I’m digging deeper into the sidelines. One thing I would like to say is I think this election fraud has forever changed Los Angeles,” she said. “At least that’s my hope, that people will feel empower- empowered to talk about the truth and keep looking for the truth.”And there have been other reporting on different types ... So from a different New York Post piece, bombshell photo unveils damning Nithan Raman link with homeless voters as fury erupts over LA vote count. Thousands of homeless voters are registered to vote in LA shelters, and Sprint Sir Pret was eliminated by Nithan Raman.So they, they, they then did a review here. And it said the ... so here they’re looking to see, Yeah, this seems to be, it, it seems to be the same thing. They’re just going over video evidence of this that they found. So here’s where I come at the end of this. Like, what, what do I think on all of this?Did Democrats do this in the past? Yes, we know they did, and they’ve been charged for it in the past. Is it the [00:27:00] type of thing that Democrats would do? Like, consider the size of, like, Antifa and stuff in LA. You’re not asking, did the Democrats organize this from the top down? Right. You’re asking, was there any rogue group of Democrats, extremist leftists in LA with motivation and means and opportunity to do this?There was definitely manifold of those.Simone Collins: Well, okay. Here’s where I’m gonna push back, right? So the person who got the surge in votes was someone who wasn’t going to win anyway, and it was very clear that they weren’t going to win, correct?Malcolm Collins: Yeah.Simone Collins: And then suddenly these votes appeared. When you do pay someone to buy you votes, right, illegally, sure, this person, you know, people like this are paying one or two cigarettes, three bucks per person.Mm-hmm. But they in turn are charging probably quite a lot per voter because of the legal liability to which they’re [00:28:00] subject, as is shown by the convictions we see here, right? Mm-hmm. People are doing time. People are really paying a lot in terms of when you get caught. So when they’re weighing the odds of getting caught they’re, they’re ultimately gonna charge a lot more.So why would this one particular candidate or people supporting this one candidate pay that much for votes that weren’t going to help them win anyway? That doesn’t make sense to me. I’m more likely to believe a conspiracy theory- What do you mean votesMalcolm Collins: that did help them win? I’m confused.Simone Collins: My understanding...Oh, sorry. It’s the fragility company.Malcolm Collins: So anyway, what was the point you were making? Why, why do you not believe that there... You, you said the amount it costs- So my understanding was thatSimone Collins: the surge of votes that came in, that were presumably bought, were for a candidate that was never going to win in the first place, that was not the Democratic front-runner, right?Malcolm Collins: Right. ItSimone Collins: was- So why would someone pay the non-trivial cost to buy voters? Because what you’re paying, you know, the people to commit a, a crime is pretty high. Like, the premium [00:29:00] is high.Malcolm Collins: Yeah, but what you are forgetting is the, the crime was already committed either way. So, presumably, the way that this works, given the various points that we’ve heard, is I, a Democrat, go and I ask homeless people to sign up to vote.And I give them my address, right?Simone Collins: Okay, so it’s, it’s like a subscription. It’s like I, I have on offer every single voting cycle, these are my homeless people. Would you like my homeless people thisMalcolm Collins: year? Yes, every single voting cycle- Would you like my homeless people? ... I have on offer a list of votes that I can choose how they go.Simone Collins: And then who, who knows how it’s administered, right? It could be like I’m this one person, this crime boss of Democratic politics or whatever polit- like, who knows? And it could be apolitical, who’s just like, “I’m gonna decide how I deal with these votes.” It could even be someone who’s not paying someone else.It could be a totally third party who’s like, “Who do I want to have my votes go toward?” Yeah. This is my little kingdom. SoMalcolm Collins: the crime would have already been done. Uh-huh. They would’ve been sitting on votes that they have to cast eitherSimone Collins: way. Yes. They’re like, “How do I want my votes to go?” [00:30:00] They could have decided, “Well, I know that the, the, their...We don’t have to worry about Spencer Pratt. This Democratic front-runner’s gonna win. I want to place this, this up-and-coming Democratic candidate.”Malcolm Collins: Well, the wording would be, “I wanna make sure that Spencer Pratt isn’t in the final election,” ‘cause that’s what would’ve happened otherwise.Simone Collins: Oh. Oh, I’m sorry. I totally missed that.So if he had not been surpassed by this other Democrat, he would’ve been on the,Malcolm Collins: the- Yeah, he would’ve been on the ballot for theSimone Collins: final then Oh, and then there actually was, he ha- would actually have a shot, instead of just two Democrats.Malcolm Collins: Yeah.Simone Collins: Oh, okay. Well then, okay, yeah. The, the incentives are more clear then.Okay, thank you. Now I know. Yeah,Malcolm Collins: so now you understand the incentives, yeah. Yeah. So, basically I’m in a position of the people who are saying, like, basically at this point we’re at a point where I say demonstrably we know that voter fraud happened. Mm-hmm. The question is the scale of the voter fraud.Simone Collins: Correct.Malcolm Collins: And the, the, it, it really bothers me [00:31:00] that like we’re seeing mainstream Democratic outlets that are supposed to be like out there searching for truths completely uninterested in this. De- despite the overwhelming, I mean, we’ve got a conviction already, right? Like,Simone Collins: the- Right. Well, the problem is all sides do it.I mean, even arguably sides that people who don’t have a side. Mm. People who are just making money because this is a way to make money are doing it. Like, it, it’s one of those things where-Malcolm Collins: I’ve never- ... ISimone Collins: think a lot of people are- It’s all sides ... are concerned. Also, journalists are, journalists in mainstream media have this, there’s, like, there are two tiers, right?Mm. Of like, is this a good story? Will this perform well? But also they have this whole, like, you know, I, I need to decide what the people can handle or not, right? Like, I’m not going to touch this conspiracy theory because it might incite racism or conspiracy thinking or- I wasMalcolm Collins: talking to the other day, one of our friends couldn’t believe the conspiracy theory that Michelle Obama was a man.Simone Collins: Yeah. It’sMalcolm Collins: like, and Simone, I’m like, “Simone, there’s a lot of evidence. You gotta,Simone Collins: you gotta believe.” There’s not. There’s that, that, that, that dance... There, there’s nothing in her pants. You guys don’t [00:32:00] know female slacks. I’m sorry, but, like, women’s pants areMalcolm Collins: weird. There, there is something hitting her pants from behind.Simone Collins: There’s nothing hitting her pants from behind. There’s nothing. Not, it’s, it’s the way they crease. There is, thereMalcolm Collins: is-Simone Collins: You don’t know what flowy pants... Men don’t wear pants like that. They don’t understand how they...Speaker: MichelleSimone Collins: mm, mm. Anyway, anyway, so I feel like this isn’t necessarily people trying to cover something up.I think that there’s this journalistic, like, “I decide what the public can and cannot handle, and I believe that the public cannot handle this. Therefore, I’m not going to cover it because the, the nuance will be lost, and they’ll just, you know, it will undermine democracy, and I’m not gonna play a part in that.”And I think that a lot of people see us as being irresponsible for feeding into the conspiracy theories when it, like, is, there are really [00:33:00] serious issues of voter fraud. But I also see the point of journalists who are like, “I’m not gonna bother co- cover- covering this,” because what are you gonna do, Malcolm?Like, we can’t uncover these people. Like, we can’t find them. This is a lot harder to uncover than, like, daycare fraud, you know? Like, th- this is much more hidden, much more insidious. People have been trying to find this forever. It’s really difficult to uncover because of the way the systems work, because there’s no voter ID, because you can just take a ballot out of a, a, a thing.And like, it, like, even if, even if every signature is checked for a match, you can easily find what someone’s signature looks like. Like, it, this is one of those very difficult situations, you know?Malcolm Collins: N- I don’t, I don’t think it is. I, I think we’re dealing with a scenario where, I mean, I understand w- why they’re doing what they’re doing.Like, every, I think, sane American knows that even if there was demonstrable and large voter fraud, they wouldn’t cover it. Because it goes against their political interest, right? Like, we haven’t really seen them cover many things that go against their political interests.Simone Collins: Well, no, no. I mean, it goes in their political interest when it’s about, [00:34:00] like, a, a Republican candidate winning.Malcolm Collins: Oh, yeah, a Republican candidate, yeah. But the point being is you’re like, I, both sides are d- I don’t think in LA Spencer Pratt or even the LA Republican Party has enough institution to commit voter fraud at this size.Simone Collins: Right. Right. But I mean, I’m, I’m sure there’s Republican voter fraud in other areas.Look, it’s, it’s,Malcolm Collins: this isSimone Collins: a system they do it.Malcolm Collins: I doubt it’s at the same scale. HighlySimone Collins: I don’t know.Malcolm Collins: I don’t know I mean, it- it’s, it’s there. It’s just when we look at... And, and the reason why I doubt so strongly it’s at the same scale- Hmm ... is if you look at the Republican apparatus, because we’ve been involved in it at, like, the grassroots level, right?They are fighting rabidly for stricter observation and oversight to prevent voter fraud. If they were the ones-Simone Collins: Oh ...Malcolm Collins: still committing voter fraud, they wouldn’t be doing that. And the- That’sSimone Collins: pretty damning. That’s prettyMalcolm Collins: damning ... the louder damning thing is that the left has been fighting [00:35:00] rabidly against investigation of voter fraud.Simone Collins: That is moderately susp- okay, more than moderately suspicious. That’s a really good point.Malcolm Collins: Okay, that should get- Yeah.Simone Collins: Yeah ...Malcolm Collins: not just that, butSimone Collins: with theMalcolm Collins: Save Our Country Act or whatever, the,Simone Collins: we’re, we’re- That’s someone who’s like, “Hey, let’s be more careful,” and the other side being like, “No, what do you mean careful?”Malcolm Collins: Yeah. If, if I have one team out there who’s like, “We should have ID, in-person only voting,” and then another group out there that’s like, “That would be a end of American freedom,” right? Like, I’m like- Okay ... “What are you talking about?”Simone Collins: When you put it that way, the look is not good. It’s a, it’s a bad look.Yeah.Malcolm Collins: Yeah, so, my general takeaway from this is it’s happening. It’s probably pretty big. There isn’t a lot you can do once they capture a region. Just based on the evidence that we have access to, I mean, it seems that, like, everyone who’s involved is saying, “It’s happening, just what’s the scale,” right?And I think the scale is probably pretty big. If you look at the, And, and here I’m not even looking at, like, the observed statistics. I’m just thinking about the number of radical leftist groups in LA that [00:36:00] don’t care a damn about the law and would have motive, means, opportunity, and time to do something like this.If they have time to, like, stage these giant protests, somebody in the org has time to do something like this. And then I think what we learn about this is you can’t let them win, ever, right? This is the thing with, like, Nick Fuentes’ dumb strategy of like, let, g- let’s let the left win and then the right will get angry enough that it ri- Generally, when the other side l- wins, our side moderates.That’s how it works. If you want our side to become more extreme, what you need us to do is win a number of times in a row, not lose. Because the average Republican voter doesn’t then say, “I guess we need to be more extreme.” The average Republican voter says, “I guess we need to be more moderate to pick up some of those swing voters,” right?So, but it’s not just that. It’s that once we lose an area, when you look at the map, and I’m gonna put the two maps here,of states where you are allowed to vote without an ID and states where Democrats [00:37:00] win or won in the last election it’s like one for one at this point, right? I think that we’re entering a place where we cannot give an inch of ground because they’re realizing that the demographics are shifting against their favor.And there will be a point, you know, once we have the 2030 redistricting, where it essentially becomes impossible for them to win going into the future. And after that, what do you do, right? When you look at the the higher fertility rate among Republicans and we look that people vote like their parents vote, when we look at the shifting right-wing vote in the youth of these days, you know, if these trends continue this is, it’s over.It’s game over for the left. And I think that they’re behaving in a way that seems rational to them and, and ethical to them because they believe that the right are literally Nazis. That’s why it’s important that they define it that way because it gives them what’s called a psychological license to do whatever they want to combat it[00:38:00]Simone Collins: Yeah, okay. I, I, yes. You, you’ve also changed my view on this. It is worth covering this because it is worth to explain why it’s very important to push for voter ID laws.Malcolm Collins: Voter ID laws, they’re never backing down. No, no election is unimportant. Not your local elections, not your national elections, every election matters.Yeah. And if you, if you vote by mail like us to try to make it easy, just keep in mind you’re gonna have the person drive by and steal your ballot.Simone Collins: Not great. Not great.Malcolm Collins: But that’s, that’s you know, just, just the state of America right now and why we need to be so overwhelming in the legitimate votes that we’re putting out there.Simone Collins: Well, friends, be careful and make sure your ID is current.Malcolm Collins: Anyway love you, Simone. Have a fun day at the dentist, and thank you for your timeSimone Collins: Love you [00:39:00] You’re beautiful. But that should come as no surprise.Nice one, Tex. Nice one OkayCamera is- Mary,Malcolm Collins: can you hear me okay?Simone Collins: I can. However, I need a momentMalcolm Collins: to find where my camera is.Okay.Here we are. Found it. Oh, no, no, no, no, you don’t. Don’t even think of it. Ido feel- I do- ... good being able to do this with you again today.Simone Collins: I know. I, I miss it, and that’s, you know, why I -Malcolm Collins: Oh, we got a close-up of a baby.Simone Collins: Oh, no.Malcolm Collins: Oh, no.Simone Collins: Frank.Malcolm Collins: All the women out there now need babies. [00:40:00]Simone Collins: I don’t know. I don’t know if close-ups help or hurt.Malcolm Collins: Got me in my pirate shirt today.Simone Collins: No, actually-Malcolm Collins: New, new Evil MaxxSimone Collins: aimed ... I meant to get a proper, like, Mr. Darcy shirt. Rawr, rawr, rawr, rawr, rawr. God, Tex, I’m so sorry. Someday you’ll look back on this fondly, or not, Mr. Demaison.Malcolm Collins: I don’t know. I, like, either I’m still with you, or the thought of losing you has destroyed me someday.Simone Collins: What do you mean?Malcolm Collins: Well, I wouldn’t look back on this, because I will just go talk to you.Speaker 25: First one, actually, I’ll just light it for youSpeaker 26: Back, back. Here, Torsten.Speaker 25: Hold it away from me so you don’t get hurt. All right, Tagan, come back. Go, go play over there. It’s gonna fall. Do not do that, Torsten. Octavian, come back here[00:41:00]What happens if- If you w-, if you, do not let that touch anyone or it’ll hurt them Why is it going down the thing?Titan, do not let that touch anyone or you will never get to play with these again Toasty, why are you putting it on the deck? Why? You’re burning the deck. That’s bad, Torsten. You have to hold it up in the air. It says that it might burn me. Octavian, come here. That’s why there’s the metal part at the bottom.Speaker 28: There you go. See, look, it stops at the end right there. Can, can I try it again? All right. Go play, Octavian. When you’re done you can give it to me. What? Just never put it on the deck. It’s not burning. Oh, it’s empty. No, we’re done. We’re done? Mm-hmm. Oh, Octavian, you got yours.What do you think, Professor?Speaker 26: How do I know? How do I know? This is a public episode. If you'd like to discuss this with other subscribers or get access to bonus episodes, visit basedcamppodcast.substack.com/subscribe