DISASTER: Ian's interview with social media expert goes hopelessly off rails

Do you have any idea how much time you spend every day looking at your phone? Not how much time you feel like you looked at it, but the actual math. A lot of people are surprised at the number. Where’s the line between using your phone and your phone using you? Have you ever actually tried to cut back? What worked, and what didn't? "Mark Z" joins Ian to have a seriously deep conversation about the issue.