EPISODE · May 21, 2026 · 1H 7M
Dismantling the Wall: How to talk about Israel-Palestine
from Disagreeing Well: The Podcast About Polarization · host John Milloy
In talking about Israel–Palestine, there are so many loud and certain voices – and so little listening.In this episode of Disagreeing Well: The Podcast About Polarization, I take on one of the most polarizing topics we face—not to resolve the conflict - but to explore how we talk about it. Discussion of Israel–Palestine too often becomes a winner-take-all situation —framed as right versus wrong or good versus evil—leaving little room for nuance or genuine engagement.I am joined by Raja Khouri and Jeffrey Wilkinson, a voice from the Palestinian community and a voice from the Jewish community - co-authors of the Wall Between: What Jews and Palestinians Don’t Want to Know About Each Other. Together, we dig into the role of competing narratives—stories that are deeply important to those who hold them but that often leave no room for the other.This episode is about stepping out of that pattern—creating space for listening, for complexity, and for a different kind of conversation.Learn more about the book and Raja and Jeff’s work: https://www.conversationswithoutwalls.org
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In talking about Israel–Palestine, there are so many loud and certain voices – and so little listening.In this episode of Disagreeing Well: The Podcast About Polarization, I take on one of the most polarizing topics we face—not to resolve the conflict - but to explore how we talk about it. Discussion of Israel–Palestine too often becomes a winner-take-all situation —framed as right versus wrong or good versus evil—leaving little room for nuance or genuine engagement.I am joined by Raja Khouri and Jeffrey Wilkinson, a voice from the Palestinian community and a voice from the Jewish community - co-authors of the Wall Between: What Jews and Palestinians Don’t Want to Know About Each Other. Together, we dig into the role of competing narratives—stories that are deeply important to those who hold them but that often leave no room for the other.This episode is about stepping out of that pattern—creating space for listening, for complexity, and for a different kind of conversation.Learn more about the book and Raja and Jeff’s work: https://www.conversationswithoutwalls.org
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