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Perry's Lee-Wan tour. And I just got back from the trip. Once you guys tell us all about it, or some about it. Do that again, I was talking over it.
Do what again? The beginning again? No. Good.
We're here, it's happening. I did not write that. Jeffrey Lewis wrote that. Oh, dang, it really was poignant.
That's just the beginning of that tune. What a deep fellow. He's such a good writer. He is a great writer.
He's so good. I also like how he speaks. When he talks to the camera and he does little videos, he speaks like in such a sincere voice. He's a native New Yorker.
And he has a new record out called the Even More Free Wheeling, Jeffrey Lewis. And he took the cover picture, it's from the same spot that from the Bob Dylan record where he has his girlfriend at the time. He's walking in the middle of the street, and Jeffrey's naked. Oh my God.
Walking with a woman that I presume to be his girlfriend. Oh my God. Do they, is it full frontal knitted? I've only seen it blacked out.
I'm assuming that the actual cover is, yeah, his junk's hanging out. Well, maybe we'll have to buy it and see for ourselves. Jeffrey, will you send us a signed copy now? Can you send artwork on there for us?
Can you sign your cock for us? Sign your cock. Yeah, thanks. Yeah, I'm becoming, yeah, Jeffrey Lewis kind of got my ear a long time ago.
And I don't know. I think this record, I played a show with him a couple of years ago. I remember I was at it. Yeah.
And I'm pretty sure a lot of this new record is comprised of some songs that I heard that night for the first time. And his songs just come with so many words like you're like just bamboozled by the terms of phrase and all of these remarkable, personal, and I mean, it just, it's, he's a wonderful writer. And I got, I listened to that song, not that version. That's my version of the song.
I was so enamored with the song when I heard it while I was doing dishes the other day that I thought I have to really, I have to digest this song. So I took two or three days among all the other things that I've been meaning to do or was supposed to do. I was like, I'm actually just going to sing this song over and over and over to myself as some form of therapy perhaps. I don't even know.
I mean, other than it being a great song, I'm not sure. I think I'm, I'm really, his songwriting and his style is so, it's curious to me because it's a lot like Woody Guthrie, Bob Dylan. He's very much in the line of like classic folk musicians in my opinion. And he also like Bob Dylan, like when Bob Dylan came to New York City, he went and visited, or he went and visited Woody Guthrie.
He came out, he came from Minnesota. And Jeffrey also very similarly mixed contact with like his influences and the people that are really influential in sort of this really underground like folk scene. And one that like popped up in the 60s in New York, which was incredible. There was a band called The Fugs.
There was this guy, Tully Cupferberg, Ed Sanders. And then also there was a band called The Holy Modal Rounders, who made, they made really crazy folk music, like so underground, like Bob Dylan, but like way down and like crazy, profane, politically incorrect. Like, and he hangs out with these guys, he visits them in the hospital much the way. So I just love how he understands where the art came from.
He understands the culture of it. And he's also just this real New Yorker. There's just so many things that I like about Jeffrey Lewis. And when I got to meet him and play the show, I liked him even more because we have very similar taste in music.
We love Post-Punk and we love Garagerock. Yeah. And he was playing stuff that I was like, oh my god, I didn't know that anyone else loved these songs as much as I did. And just Post-Punk, late 70s, very early 80s, Post-Punk music made by women and men, very politically charged music.
And then Garagerock are truly my favorites and Scott. I love early Scott. These are things that I can just hear on a loop. I just love.
And there's so much of it. Anyway, so I wanted to pay tribute to Jeffrey. Nice. And so.
I thought that was lovely. It's not over yet. Oh, okay. It's gonna come back in and say hi.
Back in it and say hi. It's not an opportune time, but great. So I welcome it. So you did.
You came back from a trip to visit your mother. Yeah. It was terminally ill with the worst disease ever. So.
Yeah, I did. Today, I just got home actually, really, two days ago. And yeah, those trips are hard. They're just so hard.
Beautiful too. I want to make that clear. I just mean hard because I'm sad. That's the hard part is I'm sad.
You've been writing lately. Yeah. Kind of for the first time since we've been together, you've been writing like really prolifically writing. And you wrote a very beautiful piece about flying out there and something called like anticipatory grief.
Yeah, I'm kind of getting to know what that is. And that's just when you have someone you love who you know for certain is dying, has an incurable illness and their days are numbered. And so you're in this morning process before they even die. It's it's so yeah, seeing someone actually change is quite the experience.
You know, I mean, there's death, you know, where someone has a heart attack and boom, they're gone, right? That's shocking. That's horrible. It's all horrible and hard.
You know, if it's someone you love, but there is something uniquely challenging about in real time having to come like face to face with scary stuff that things we fear right like dying and dying in a way that's hard. Where you're not just like, Oh, I'm just going to live to be 99.9 years old and I will lay down in my bed someday and cross my arms and close my eyes and drift away and la la la la right. Life is so unpredictable. And you don't know.
You really don't know what it will be for yourself or for your loved ones. That's Jeffrey sneaking in. Jeffrey, thank you for the break Jeffrey. I needed to get my composure.
He's still the man that I try. Saying what comes naturally, just be the natural me. Follow your true you inside of your head. If I did what comes natural, I wouldn't do nothing.
Stick my head in and out. Then I'd obey what they sin. Who wants to book concerts or check in at airports or talk about my army or find where to park or write out a set list, memo, resiliar, ricks or drive when it's bright out, drive when it's dark and why be in night sky, why be responsive, why be responsible, the family and friends, and even if I did something, it's never just one thing. I'd have to do something after that something ends.
I relate to that even though I'm not a touring. I mean, occasionally I'm on tour with you, but I think the thing that really resonates with me and that those lines is find where to park. I swear God. The minute that I set up a show, it's not like I don't care what Donas are junior because I don't do anything.
We have roadies. I'm almost like contractually incapable of doing anything. I can't lift my amps. I can't.
I've got to be as... Everyone has their part. Everyone plays their part. You don't want to muddy it up by trying to help people.
Because people have routines and my job is to show up at Soundcheck and show up for the show and be in the lobby. Well, to be fair, you lifting amps and stuff might not be the best thing. I got a hernia on one of the last saboteurs. I was going to say, what if you hurt yourself and then you can't go on stage and then the person that's supposed to lift it?
Whatever. Yeah, it all matters. Every part matters. Full conclusion, I'm going on tour with John and I.
Yeah, you're leaving tomorrow. You don't have amplifiers. We don't have them. And we don't have enough T-shirts to hurt myself with.
It's like a box. But boy, when I set up a tour with full conclusion or a Saboteur, the first thing I think about is like parking. Where the fuck are we going to park? Because there's nothing worse.
It's like there's this place called Johnny Brenda's wonderful place. You've been there. Oh, we parked so far away. Do you remember that?
Oh my God. Like I love that we love blocks away. Here's the thing. I love Johnny Brenda's.
Yeah. Great place to play. Fantastic stage. Really good food in the restaurant.
They don't have parking. No, they should. And it is like a fucking East Coast little snarl of a neighborhood around it. I believe they call it Fishtown.
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Get started at acast.com slash advertising. And then in the line two, when he says like, or talk about money, it's like, oh, God, it's like, yeah, you're the guy in the band and then you got to talk about money to the other people in the band. And then you got to talk about, I mean, it's like, he, he just climbed inside of my brain for the song. And it is, and it is that realization too, it's like, if anything is going to get done, anything, pretty much, you really do have to do it yourself.
Yes. You do. You, you, have to. It's like, and, and someone you're, you have a lifetime of knowing that and doing that, you know, when you're sort of like at my age, I'm like, do what comes naturally.
I'm like, literally, I, people my age were like on their deathbeds, not only a hundred years ago, really, less than that. I mean, really, you know, like a man, a man, a man at 58, like you, I mean, you're just like, radically dead, you're, you're sitting, but no, like, uh, you know, me at 58, I'm like, I have to do more, I have to run around this kind of country and even some songs and stuff that go into it. Even more of a hard, you know, card and your daddy brand does because you, because you want to do because now you're old enough to know what the right way is of doing things, you know, it's like, when you're younger, you're kind of like, you're a little sloppy about it and you know, some things don't connect and, but when you're older, you're like, you don't have any time for this kind of fucking mediocrity. You're like, I got to do it and do it right.
Which requires work. Yeah. So you don't have to work as much because that's the thing. You can work smarter, not harder.
Right. But you also have to work hard. That's it. And so this song, I love how it, uh, it just really clocks the exhaustion that you can, you can feel as a sort of a lifer.
Well, it's like a running ticking list, right? And I, and I think what I appreciate so much too about that song is it's just saying it all so plainly. It's like laying it out so plainly. There's really no fills.
Oh my god. He is. There's also a gorgeous song on the record, which I forgot to make a note of what it was, but it's one of the most beautiful songs about all the great things in life that I've ever heard. Oh, well, that's maybe you should learn that for another episode.
I'd like to. Yeah. There's a lot of words in those goddamn Jeffrey Loops. I know he's another writer like, you know, Dylan, etc.
He is. He is. I mean, from the, I've seen him three times now and each time, like the first thing that leaps into my head is like, oh, this is what it's like when you see someone really say something. It's important.
You know? Yeah. And uh, when you're hearing it and you're just saying it happen and you're like, oh my goodness, he's just, he's making this little forever moment right now. You know?
Yeah. And, and it really, the way his style, his, uh, his method of delivery is so relatable. Yeah. And, um, so seemingly simple that it's, it's, it's just a, it's very human.
That's the only way I can put it. And, uh, I'm glad that you draw, Jeffrey. I'm glad to do that too, because that's also, he does incredible stuff with his art and cartoons. Mm-hmm.
Just a lot of work that he puts himself up to. And I love that too. He's not making it sound like it's simple because sometimes when you see someone who does all those things, they, you think, oh, it's so simple for them. Oh gosh, they just do it.
And it's just so natural and simple. But to hear him detail, excruciating detail, what it takes for him to do it makes it, it somehow, there's something about it that's so empowering to me. It's like a shared humanity. We all, yeah, you have to like, it's, it's looking behind the curtain.
Here's the work. Yeah. This is how I got to the end result. You know?
Yeah. I, I, I love it. I love it for so many reasons. And it just was really resonating with me.
I said, the second time I've said resonating. Say it again, resonating. It's good word. Mm.
Can I say something about Johnny Brenda's? Yes. Yes, I remember, damn, I do remember parking so far away. It was just you and I.
Oh, it's parallel parking too. When you finally find it, you're like, oh, does the car even fit? Oh, God. And then it's got to be parallel.
Is it too close to a fucking driveway? Mm hmm. It was you and me on tour of fall of 2015, right? You were doing solo tour.
And you played at Johnny Brenda's with that band or that woman opening up. Oh, she was good though. She was popular. She was.
There was somebody who loved her so much that they were really pissed about us playing. Yes. There was, there were some memorable things about that night. They wanted to get rid of it.
Because isn't she also based in Philadelphia? I don't know. I think she has. So there were some really angry, younger music fans who did not want to see.
She's a millennial. The old guy. They were impatient. They were bummed that she was opening for you.
Oh, yeah. And I, well, I was in the one thing about Johnny Brenda's, I love the stage and that room is really nice, but I don't actually love where the merch is. It's dark and it's like kind of near the bar, you know, so you're in a separate room. And I will say I do like places when it can happen, of course, where you're kind of the back of the actual room because people sort of meander over during the show.
And anyway, and this involved you like leaving the show, going to the bar area, buying something. It was super dark. Anyway, Johnny Brenda's please welcome us back again and again. But I'm just saying, that's my only fucking part.
I'm like right there. But hands down, hands down. I don't think any place has touched that fucking fried chicken sandwich I had. It's true.
It was legendary. I didn't have it. I did not experience this so much. I was not eating sandwiches at the time.
I know you go in and out of like, I can't do bread. I y'all know I pretty much have never let go of the bread truly. It's I listen, a fried chicken sandwich. Oh my god, when it is done right, it's like, it's insane.
It's so fucking good. And they had this like spicy slaw on it too. And I believe it was a brioche bun, which, oh god, bless you for the brioche bun. Gotta be brioche.
It's gotta be. They didn't fuck around. It was so shiny. So soft.
I miss that chicken sandwich. I really want to have it again in my life. Sometimes I'll just don't have to go back to Johnny Brenda's just to have it. And then it might not be the same.
I know. Maybe it's not gonna be as good. Sometimes I'll see you just sort of staring off into space. It's kind of like a nice look on your face.
You know, not like sort of a contemplative in a good way. I'm probably thinking. And I'll, yeah. What you thinking about honey?
That sandwich. That fried chicken sandwich. God damn that was good. Holy shit.
And I was pregnant. So it must have been extra good. Because I could eat it. You know, it didn't make me sick.
That's nice. I'm just realizing, oh, I had like an extra. You spent a lot of your pregnancy. Not feeling.
Yeah. Perfect. That well. Perfect.
But guys, if you go to Johnny Brenda's and you see a fried chicken sandwich on the menu and you eat chicken, get it. So yeah, I remember that. We won't talk anymore about the woman who opened up and she was there with all of her many, many fans. And then they were loudly talking and complaining about you when I was sitting there having to sit there as your wife.
They didn't know that. Of course, I was just, you know, who knows who I could be. And just sitting at the little merch table there in the dark listening to them complain about you. It was good at that point.
Because I already- You know, guys, life is full of all sorts of humbling moments. You know, there's just no shortage. The great thing is I already knew I was a husband by the time I was playing Johnny Brenda's in 2015. I've been a husband for a long time.
Actually, that was a dip. It was a dip. And now, you know, when we do your soul shows, things are better again. It comes and goes.
It comes and goes, you know. It's the wave, baby. It's a rolling wave. Sometimes you're up.
Sometimes you're down. And at that year, you were a little more on the down. It was a little more on the down. We were like trying to get people to come to the shows like, Hey, come on in.
But the last solo show tour we did with Izzy2023 was pretty darn good. Thank y'all for coming out. That was fun. We had a good time.
Yeah, and we just played it a nice house across the river. Remember with the big dogs? Oh, that was a new Jersey. Yeah, but it's right across the river from Philadelphia.
Well, that wouldn't require me understanding geography. Yeah. Let me tell you. That house.
Oh my God, those doggies were just the cutest, cutest doggies in the world. Oh, I love those. I just started doing the house show thing because it's like, look, you want to make sure the people make sure the people that are there are like there for you. They're there for you.
Not the woman who's opening up who's from Philadelphia and, you know, incredibly popular band. Yeah, younger, younger youth. More interesting. Yeah.
Yeah. Yeah. If they're coming to a house show, they know it's you. They're there for Lou Barlow.
I love that. I know. I love it too. I love them.
We love them so much. Hello, everyone. It's time to stop talking. There's plenty to do.
So much to do. That's so fucking true. Lou, you need to take your son to a doctor's appointment. I already did.
Lou, you need to go to dinosaur junior practice. I'm not going. You need to do. You need to pass.
I know. I know. What do you think I'm going to do? I'm not going to do wrong question.
You didn't say. If you act like you love me, then I guess that you love me. If I act like a dad someday, then I'd be a dad. So I could say it was true.
The things I made myself do because the things that I did became the life that I had. The fucking kills me. I... Oh, why am I so...
I didn't know. Yeah. I'd be drawing or writing or seeing. To have it.
Working for money or working for art. I'd be in a nice sky but having the lifestyle and nothing gets done. If I don't force it to start. I'm looking early, right?
Like this existing world. The same new work comes naturally and just be the metronome. Follow the true humans out of your head. If I did what comes natural, I'd just be a black hole.
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