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Same skills you already have, brand new results. ACAST.com slash advertised. This is the best hang podcast featuring Max German, Shane Cunningham, and I, and Mike Gierman. Welcome to the best hang podcast.
The three of us are back together in person. We're not in Mexico anymore if you listen to last night. We're here at hand though. We're here at 10, we're looking to go back.
We're back. We're on to Ron right now in the city. And today you're getting a bit of a quicker episode, because we're trying to squeeze this in Max, you're about to fly out to East Coast. Yeah, I got to the studio.
The band's recording right now. Oh yeah, I said Nick, keep playing that bass. Who's going to do the vocals if you snuck out? I don't know, AI.
Alan Iverson. Any new songs that you're going to play on the East Coast to test out. So it's not like being a standup comedian where you test out new songs to see if they work. No, no, it's actually private event we're doing in Newfoundland.
So by the way, this comes out, we'll have to come and go on. Yeah, Mucho De Niro. I hope so. That's definitely an invitation, so.
But guys, what's keeping me busy, Shane? I actually look pretty relaxed. More relaxed than the last few times I've seen you. Really?
I was on vacation. I was on vacation. I was on vacation, but I started out before that when you were in here and you were just talking about the show. Oh, the show, yes.
It's a nightmare doing a show. I guess the show is almost as being kicked out the door. Nice. Yeah, there's talk of us even doing a little performance at the Rively with Bruce McCullough.
I don't even know if I should say it. I heard about Bruce Rivety wanting to do some improv or something. Yeah, to me and Mike and Bella and... What are you guys going to do?
You guys are shooting my pants. Are you kidding me? Of course. I mean, look, relax, but my underwear is finished.
So what is the nature of this comedy event? If it happens, what is it? April or something? He just said he's going back to do some shows.
Yeah. And he asked me to get out kind of the way that one was a lot shorter than one. I know, I was like... Why didn't I get that email?
I don't know. Maybe you're too expensive. You're on the East Coast. Yeah.
I don't know. Shane's shooting his pants. I'm more like... Because I grew up with such a huge kids in the Hall of Fame.
Like I get to get up on that stage with more color for even one bit. Even if it bombs, it's like a story I can take to Earth. Yeah, that's cool. It's very exciting.
So are you going to do like five minutes, Shane? Or are you going to do? Like a stand-up saying? I'm kidding me.
No. What do you want to do? Like, I could... I like using multimedia.
I could do something with that. I'm comfortable with that. I could even act out a sketch. Like, if I had to do work at Improv, let's say, but I made it interactive with the audience.
Oh, yeah. So I could ask the audience to give me Improv stuff. And I find being terrible is funny if you can own how bad you are. Yeah.
So I am somewhat comfortable performing. I'm very uncomfortable doing stand-up or being myself. As long as I don't have to be myself, I can be comfortable. What would I do, guys?
I just comedy night. You want to know this. I'm not talking about it. You know what I do.
What would I do, though? We could do a funny song. We could make a funny song with you. I'd feel really comfortable performing with you.
We could make a funny song. I feel like it's too easy, though. I mean, it's not... I feel like the challenge would be to do some kind of storytelling.
That's funny. It could be funny if I invite you up and there's a guitar there. I grab the guitar and you act in the skit. And I don't really know how to play guitar that well.
Yeah, I know. Or I can't more accurately. Yeah. Sometimes I do.
Because there's a difference between stand-up and comedic storytelling. Because I find that Bruce, for us as a Bruce Ocala, gets in the hall, producer of our sketch show, he has many other accomplishments, SNL writer, Hollywood film director. What he does is his live performance. It's not stand-up.
It's a combination between one-liners, some silly songs, and storytelling. What is the difference between storytelling and stand-up? I think one-man shows or things like that, like the nature of that style is just a little different than joke set-up, joke set-up. But I don't know, it's all blurry these days.
The way that stand-up is going and the more confessional stuff, like you saw with Hanagatsby. And my guy, Joe Karmaka. He takes the pressure off, I think. Yeah.
Yeah. When it's storytelling, one-man-show kind of thing. And when you can combine a musical element, and you never quite know when the joke's going to come in a one-man show. Yeah.
But with a stand-up set, a traditional one, I think the more laughs per minute is the expectation. That's so hard. Also Bruce incorporates music. He'll sing songs, and he had four songs when he saw him, that he'd sort of weave in and out, where he's telling you a story that's hilarious.
And then all of a sudden, he goes into one of the songs, either something from one of his older record or just, you know. Yeah, he had a guy with him on stage with his old buddy. Oh, yeah. Every time I've seen Bruce for the last, like, whatever it's been two decades, he's always got...
What, they call the Shadowy Men? Shadowy Men. Yeah, they did the theme. Theater is so interesting, because the theme, by the way.
Yeah. Mm-hmm. It's been a pretty good theme too. Well, ours has lyrics.
That's harder. Yeah. Not to brag. I saw some theater recently.
I went to Hamilton. Wow. You went to... I want to hear this.
Well, is that which theater? Theater... Prince as well. Right in the corner.
Oh, I think... Oh, the Hamilton... The musical. Were you as confused as I was?
No, I was just trying to think of a joke about it, like, just being with Smokestacks and stuff. Our friend Felix is working at the Guidhamilton's Theater Aquarius. So, you've been seeing his Insta store. So, did Max go and check out a show of Theater Aquarius?
You saw... Hamilton, the musical. Fucking Hamilton, Lin-Man will... Miranda.
She wasn't there, though. No. I think I was supposed to play and then COVID happened. So, it kind of got delayed a couple years, so now it's finally back.
But I was walking down... Wait a second. What's the review? Well, I'm going to get there.
Oh, gotcha. I was walking down King Street and there's like a middle of the day. I was like, 250. I was like, oh, I wonder if there's any rush tickets?
Because there was that tradition in Broadway where you could like... Rush the band? No, go to the... I was like, I can't do whatever they were.
They Hamilton, right? He's on first. You go to the box office and on the day of the show and you line up and you see if you'll give you a cheap ticket. That's the way it works.
It's like a fraction of the price of a normal ticket. So it's 255, the doors are locked and it says open a three. I'm like, okay, I go get a coffee, the second cup on the corner right there, Johnny King, you know the corner. And go back, there's no line.
I go right up to the box office and there's a lady behind the counter and I'm like, do you have any tickets for tonight? She's like, probably not. This shows me so that forever. I'm like, okay.
She's like, oh, you're lucky day. There's like two perfect tickets. Like 10 rows back in the first section, middle. And I was like, I'll take them.
And they're 50 bucks each. What? Yeah. Same day or...
Same day? Because that's how much tickets work. No, no, it's like eight bucks. Yeah.
So then I... What do they normally? I don't even know that story. Like $2.50.
That's crazy. So then I called my niece to see if she wanted to come. And she obliged my 15 year old 16 year old on these Emma. And is weird.
She knew more about the musical. You guys know about the musical. You can you've heard the caricature version of the musical. Well, rap music.
It's about the birth of rap. Yes. But it's, I can't really spoil it because it's just like US history. I saw it on Disney though.
They filmed it and put it up on Disney+. Yeah. Okay. We did it translate.
I kind of zoned out a little bit. Yeah. There's so many words. If you're an old person who goes like a little hard of hearing, but I'm kind of a hard of hearing, you can't keep up with the lyrics.
I don't want to tell anyone to tell me that guy. What are they saying? No, it's not. Did anyone yell rap music as crap music?
No. No. No. No.
No. But you know what's funny? But Hamilton said this guy, you know, he's one of the guy, founding fathers. He helped write the Constitution of the Federalist Papers, which was commentary on the Constitution.
By the way, I feel like if you're in America and you love the fucking Constitution, the founding fathers, you're so involved. Like you're in the storytelling of it all because you're kind of ingrained in you in school. You learn about it. So like this is my shit.
Totally. For Canadian audiences, I don't know if it really hits the same way. Like it's a beautifully done play and the songs are great and the productions are really good and the poems are really good. But that thing that hits in your heart is like, I'm a American.
Like I don't know if people really care about it. That's one observation about it. But I always seem to know a lot of the music. I was like, how do you know the music?
You've never seen this? She's like, yeah, just me and I just comes up. They are hit songs too. Yeah, I know like Alexander Hamilton.
That one's been around. Not gonna miss my shot. Yeah, that was. I've never seen the play, but I've somehow absorbed that music.
Yeah. It's around. But did he know that so he and his wife had a kid and the kid grew up and became an adult died in a duel. Wait, not Lin-Manuel.
No. Okay. You just blew my mind. Yeah.
And then a little bit later, he and his old time foe, this guy who's sort of in like, butting heads with, yeah, butting heads with for his whole adult life. Wait a second. Who did I know that Hamilton and Burr have the duel? Yeah.
But who are you talking about? This kid had a duel to me before. Double duel. Double duel.
Double duel. It's just the time. I remember the duel from the show. Yeah.
So he's getting a duel. And then he got it. I did not know there was a double duel. There was a story that repeats itself.
It's true. Time is a flat circle. But I do. But there is something amazing about going to the theater because it just not the same.
It's not the same. I'll show you're speaking of the choir. I've been going to theater shows. Like we used to live right.
We were right on John Wellington. And like I saw the Temptations show. I saw like so I went to so many shows. I remember I saw a, what's the Jersey Boys?
Yeah. I was a prom like that years ago. I went, I think we'd take it. And then I brought dad and Greg.
And it was just this great night. And from that point on, whenever there was like a birth year. Christmas gift, I'd buy dad theater tickets. Awesome.
Pucka Mormon was the last one. Yeah, it was good. Those are all very commercial theater productions. Yes.
Would you ever go to an opera? Oh, yeah. Opera. I'll see anything live where like town people are doing it.
Like I 100%. You know, it's just sort of PSA for like going out and experiencing culture. Because seriously, it's like, you know, when you go, and I heard Rick Rubin talk about this in another interview. It's like he was talking about creativity and what you learn from the masters.
And he's like, you can look at a photo of the Mona Lisa. But being in an art gallery and looking at a thing in real life is so much different than just a photo. Like I get emotional. I don't go to art gallery often.
But when I'm in the AGO or whatever, I got emotional looking at the painting. Some of the paintings. You're talking about like if you're looking at newties on the internet or one of the strip clubs. Yeah, exactly.
It's different. It's just different. No, I'm so fascinated by live performance in any sort of production. Meaning like we just got back from resort.
I know you didn't go to the theater and check out the shows at night. I think you did before we got there. Some magic show. I got a little messy.
Yeah. That was just the toxic smoking sheet. I know there's something going on there. Like they'll have like, you know, they'll have a chorus.
Like dancers come out. And I'm like, who are these people that travel from resort? Like they're doing Monday at this resort. And then Tuesday at whatever resort.
And I'm just like, these are people that are professionals working whatever search people on cruise ships. And in every town you ever go to. And I'm just so fascinated that people that make their sort of life in the arts in that way. Like, oh, I'm a dancer.
You know, I do matinees at whatever theater in Cleveland, Ohio. Yeah. You know what I'm saying? It's a cool profession.
It is. I was like, I'm going to do that to a degree. Yeah. I love it.
I'm fascinated by it. And sometimes my brain, I'm like, oh, in another life. Like if I was a little bit more like, run away enjoying the circus type, you know, that seems like it would have been really fun. So I think it's, do you think that like people, it feels like the sort of thing you do from like 18 to 30.
Yeah. And then you want to settle down maybe. I don't know. There's something, the teamwork that goes into production is so cool too.
Like when you're doing a live show and then like, you get the gaffers and the lighting people and directors and so it's a team effort. For the camaraderie. Yeah. So like, is this is no poker face, by the way?
No, it's like, it's kind of like, it's by Ryan Johnson. Oh, okay. Not as a director. Yeah.
And it's kind of like a retread of Colombo. Oh, one more thing. Like I think she could have a Colombo. Did she do that?
I don't know. She's sort of how she's having. I don't know if it's like a reboot of Colombo with her in that role, or if it's inspired by her heavily inspired role. Wait, she does the voice too?
Not only the catchphrase? No, she has a raspy New York kind of. Okay. Does she have a catchphrase though?
No. No. I'm dying to say it. It's great.
It is. Okay. So it's, I think it's nine or ten episodes and each episode is an hour long and each is its own murder mystery. So it's like, and then she's always the common character.
She's sort of like Barnard. Yeah. So it's really fun. And each cast like the first episode of Adrian Brody's in it.
And I think later Joseph Gordon Levitz in it. And there's, so there's. Right. Adrian Brody.
Adrian Brody. Got you. Not the OC guy. Yeah.
No, no. Piano. Yeah. Yeah.
Yes. But they had, they made, there was a late episode of Watch This Morning was about community theater and a murder mystery that happens with these like these kind of washed up Hollywood TV actors that go back and do a theater show together. And but they had a joke about Ben Franklin, the musical that was playing at the shitty little theater. And it was like, it was a spoof on hand.
They were like wrapping along. And so, yeah. Did you guys, I, I spent a large portion of my young life like watching A&E in the afternoon, like watching like McMillen and wife and like Colombo and all these. Did you guys ever get into like those shows like Murder She Wrote and.
I murder She Wrote. That was on Angel Lansbury. That was like the idea of those shows. They were good shows to kind of like fall asleep to on the couch.
Yeah. But never really watch. They feel like comfort to me. I guess it's kind of what I wonder.
And I tweeted this the other day is okay. So knives out comes out never like this is so fun. This is like funny murder mystery ensemble cast. They made it the sequel which people didn't like quite as much.
But I still that was fun. That's like a lot of onions. And then there's the show that Ryan Johnson, he's like become the guy. Why only in the last like two years has Hollywood discovered that people love this shit.
Like I feel like it's such a no brainer entertainment. They kind of everybody is satisfied by it. Like why hasn't this genre existed in any significant way before three years ago? Well it's cyclical and I don't know if this is going to be Shane and Max Orash who's here.
I can think of something that predates but that first season of White Lotus which essentially is like a there's a murder and then you have to solve it over the course of 10 episodes or whatever it is. It seems like I just think like everything's cyclical. It's like and then we'll get back and like sci-fi heavily again. And it's like why is everything a zombie show 10 years ago?
And I take it off and now last of us back but it's not really kind of a zombie show. It's more about people. Yeah vampires were. Fucking right.
It's something like number one volcanoes are big number don't it. Oh yeah and comet smash. It's on getting a deep impact. Yeah.
You are McGinn or deep impact. Great question. Well everyone our age was Armageddon. Yeah it's in the song too.
Yeah. The best movie song of all time. It's pretty damn good. What about.
I don't want the world to see me. That's like change that guy's life. Oh that's the main thing. It's the main thing.
It's the Nick Cage and Meg. Oh that was really nice. I just think that was the end. He has a telescope in the video.
Anybody looks through the telescope it's Meg Ryan. Ah yeah. Yeah okay those two are up there. What else is the sunbathing with the shirt off it's really creepy actually.
Really? No. Nick Cage is the creepy angel of the telescope. What about hero Nickelback featuring Josie Scott or check her man?
Yeah Spiderman. That's a good spot by the way. I don't know. I think it's in see there's something.
What moment in time for Josie Scott to get on that track? And a key rose. Oh yeah my heart will go on. Ash.
I'll go on to Ash. She just read that her phone. My heart will go on is probably the biggest. My heart will go on to the Titanic.
Oh yeah. Oh yeah. That's a big hit. Yeah.
And that instrument. It's like an Irish whistle or something. What is it? What is that thing?
I don't know anyway. Anyway. What about rock? It's what we're all about.
It's what we live for. Wasn't that Spiderman? I don't know. It was like one of the Spiderman's.
I think it was like one of the Spiderman's. Yeah. That was the other day. I feel like we must have talked about the, what's the soundtrack?
Not Gorillaz. Yeah. What's the soundtrack? Ben Fols Five has a song on it.
A.R. coming up for A.R. It was the biggest. Puff Daddy.
He had a song on it. Godzilla? Godzilla. Godzilla.
Godzilla. And Godzilla. And he had a Tajmere. Yeah.
He led Zeppelin. That was a good sound. He did that on SNL. I always talk about how Metallica did one of the most impressive SNL performances I was.
Give me fuel. Give me fuel. Give me that. Give me that.
And then they go into halftime. I was like, dude. And then they go into halftime. And I'm like, I was like for the first time I'm like, I came home like drunk one night.
I was like 17 or something. I was like, I get metal. I got it. I got the Metallica.
Peel from that SNL performance. Anyway, maybe the second best SNL performance I saw. Just on memory. It was Jimmy Page and Puff Daddy on SNL doing the, so it's like it's a sample cashmere.
So Jimmy Page does a, yeah. Yeah. And Puff Daddy just like fucking gives like a face blistering rap version or whatever his version of the song. God's so sorry.
90s man. It was a different time. It was cool. Bruce Springsteen did one of his big songs.
Like, what's the secret to Philadelphia? Oh, no. No, but then Secret Garden. Secret Garden, big for Jeremy Guire.
Yes. One of his huge hits, Born in the USA. I think that was originally written for a movie. And he took it back.
Oh, interesting. I was listening to a podcast. And I thought you'd be interested. I'm curious how to film.
No, maybe it was later than that. You did it for the July. I wonder if it was for that movie. But I feel like it's not going to rename the movie.
I don't know what podcast. That's not interesting sound too, because it's like people use it as like, a lot of people use it as a game. But it's actually like Born in the USA. But it's essentially an entertainment about how like, knowing like we basically banded Vietnam vets when they came back.
And it's almost ironic. The chorus is like, Born in the USA. It's like what you get. Yeah.
Anyway, I was kind of fascinating. But yeah, I guess Born or Street's Philadelphia might be, is it my heart would go on as the biggest movie soundtrack song of all time? Oh my god. Everything I do.
Actually it's got the band in Sweetest. Robin Hood with Kevin Costner. And then, and then what's his name there? Bond.
Sean Connery shows up at the end as like King Richard or something. Okay. And I think the movie has to be huge for it actually to be one of the top. Because that song's huge, but the movie wouldn't seem that huge.
Well, you can't find the video is just a movie clips and then grind out of this like on a piano, but it keeps cutting to like, Robin Hood's and Kevin Costner doing a questionable English accent. So, Lean wins it, I think. Yeah. That's probably my biggest movie.
My favorite though is Aerosmith. Yeah. Who wrote that? Dan Warner, Carol King or something like that?
Oh yeah. Aerosmith and Wright, I know that. And I don't think the band's on it. So I just normally played it the Oscars.
It was almost like Joe Perry and the boys were kind of just like, air guitaring. It's really just even over like, you know, but they put strings and orchestra and all that stuff. Did you know Dude Looks Like A Lady wasn't written for Missed Out Farm? Oh really?
You didn't know that was joking, but Max actually didn't know that. Oh yeah. Are we still allowed to like that movie? Is it out time?
Is that a question? I don't know. I've also, I've also investigated whether Dude Look Like A Lady. I got that title out good.
Dude Looks Like A Lady. I'm like, is it transphobic? Is it trans positive? Because it's almost like there's a line like it's like, you can never judge a book by its cover or who you're going to love by your lover.
Love your body. I think it's positive. I think so too, but I don't know how history views it. Maybe we're not the ones to judge, but it didn't feel mean-spirited, but apparently it was written about Vince Neil, who I guess they were all hanging out backstage of Vince Neil, who sings for, who's got him.
I'm Molly Crew. Thank you. Molly Crew, I think it was Vince Neil. It was one of those hair metal bands.
It was still saying for Molly Crew for sure. He did? Yeah. And I guess they were all backstage having a time as a lyricist.
And he had his back turn though, and I guess his butt looked good. And the guy was like, oh, and then it turned around, it was Vince Neil, or something like, oh, Dude Looks Like A Lady. That's cool. I did that trick on Instagram once.
I was wearing really tight spandex pants. I had Alex film my butt all the way up, and then I turned around, and then one of my friends was like, damn, you shamed. I got the video chat. I love it.
I love it. I'm speaking of the theater. I had a theater date on Saturday night. Wait, another theater date?
Yeah. You know what's interesting about it? It was in my own home. It was a live read.
It was a live theater date with Chris Rock on Netflix special. Oh, perfect. Anyway, it doesn't exist. It was fun though.
Booklet Maddie came over. Then my neighbor Jimmy came over. Okay, was it fun because the comedy was so good, or because it was fun to chat along to how bad it was? No, I thought it was a great, I like the special.
Really? You're boy. Your boy Maddie loves Chris Rockett. Yeah, I love Chris Rock.
I thought it was good. I don't know. The first of all, I should say that watching a live event on Netflix was kind of fun. It was like a live sporting event.
It was like the pre-show though. I didn't watch it. I got there right at 10 o'clock. Gotcha.
You can show Chris. The pre-show was all live from the comedy seller in LA. And David Spade in Denver. Yeah, I saw it after.
It was like, that was very, you know. It felt like the opposite of what they're good at, which is what they're good at is being a little crude, and I don't give a fuck. And I'm like, it was still crude. It's just more good.
It was live, so it was kind of uncomfortable. And people in the audience were kind of like, oh, cameras around us. Anyway, I thought that Chris Rock, I watched it. Yeah, I watched the first, I said 25, 30, and then the baby woke up.
I was on solo parent duty all weekend, because Danica was away for a 40th birthday with one of her friends. And so I was like, I'm going to watch this until the baby wakes, because she was like, 100,000. I had to go. But I thought, my initial thoughts were, this is really lit bright.
And I could feel almost, and maybe this is just my, but I felt like I could feel Chris feel that it was live, that all these people were watching live. It felt like he was, I think he was shaning. I feel like he was rushing through his bits a bit. It was like the energy of like, oh, like a million people would be watching this at home.
Yeah. Seemed to mess with his rhythms, you know? Like a lot of the comedy specials we watched do are edited so well. That is like, you're tight on the face with the right punchline.
It's like, this camera's over here. This just felt very like, I don't know. It's just a little like an impersonator. Yeah.
It's interesting. And it's always tough for me when a person who's over 50s, start talking about woke stuff. I couldn't believe he was. He does feel like, get off my lawn a little bit type of vibe.
I thought some of the jokes were around that were interesting. But when you set it up as like, let's talk about woke culture. It's like, I wish the entry point could have been a little more interesting, because as you say, it is, you got off my lawn territory as soon as you start presenting it like that. 10 minutes in, I just looked at Alex.
I was like, we have to shut this off. Yeah. So funny because I love Chris. In the room at our house that people were laughing and having a great time.
What was a joke that got it laughed? I remember. OK. There's none that stood out or a theme.
I thought the way he, the way he talked about his, his, his, his entitled daughters was kind of funny. That that was all right. Yeah. I like him, the joke about like, Jay-Z would date Beyonce if she were to Burger King, but not the opposite.
That punchline was great. I mentioned that one is. Yeah. That punchline.
And he did this thing where he like, he talked about snooping all the commercials. I can't remember if we compared snoop to. And do you guys remember that? Where he's like, when did Snoopy come?
Some of these a lot of commercials were ever. And then he's like, I'm just joking. I don't even know the rapper Mattie. That's his face.
Yeah. Then he does it with the Jay-Z where he's like, Jay-Z's beautiful or sorry. I don't know the rapper Mattie. Then he goes into what everybody's waiting for, which is Willy Address Wilson.
Yeah. Would you like that? I like that he screwed up the punchline. Yeah.
Yeah. That's kind of endearing. Yeah. Yeah.
I just felt like it was like, it was memorable because it was like, oh, all the things you're talking about was a little bright, like he was a little off his game. But like, you just felt like the stakes were higher or something like that. Like it is fun. Anything to live.
Yeah. Because you're, it's almost like you're on stage rooting for the performer because it's like you being alive performing yourself. You probably have special empathy or whatever. Well, and when he messed up that joke because Matt, who was with me, had seen the special, and he, as soon as he messed up the joke, he says, no, it's a man's patient.
Like he, he got started with concussion. Yeah, he got started with concussion. And he called it out in the room. Yeah.
And then up a minute later, Chris Grouse fucked up the joke. And I was like, okay, that was, I just thought there's like a more intrigue there. And I don't really have a take on this other than I'm just sort of amused and interested in all the conversation around the special. Yeah.
And I'm just, it's so interesting because I don't know who is going to come out in favor of thinking that it's brilliant versus who's going to say it's problematic in different ways. And that, I find with a lot of stuff, you can kind of, it's very predictable. Who is going to be, who's the person on Twitter who's going to say this is an issue? Who's the person on Twitter who's going to say we should celebrate this stuff?
Oh, it's Chris Rock specifically. Just where he like, you know his background, what he means to the culture, who he's friends with the fact he's a comedian, but he's also like kind of smart and wise in his own. Like, I said, no clue what the response would be. And it's interesting as people keep on giving commentary.
It's like, yeah, and even the reviews of it too. Like some people like really didn't like it. So we were like, no, this is like really daring and for like a 50 year old comedian. This is maybe as best special.
I've also seen that review, which I thought was cool. Wow. Yeah, I did. I didn't like, I didn't like dislike it or love it.
If anything, but it was just felt stale. I was just like, the minute he started doing the woke stuff, I was like, oh, I've literally been seeing this San Routine now for three years. Like, this is what you waited all the time to sort of like come out and basically do. I was like, oh, okay.
And then the punch line just didn't really hit that much. I think that there's why I liked it was because I saw Chappelle January 1st, like live. And I was like, I was like, Chappelle, like, he doesn't even material. He's just kind of making it up as he goes.
And it's all sort of charisma. And you enjoy it because you're getting to see Dave Chappelle just kind of laughing and making fun of people. And it's not totally put together. And Brooklyn, many point out like Chappelle said four specials in the last like two years.
Like he's just sort of a machine for material. Whereas like, I think I prefer comedian that's like dials in every joke and every beat. And you have to say that like what he did was excellent. But I don't know, I appreciate that level of care as a comedian.
Yeah, I'm out on Chappelle that I'm going to get on stage and like everything is like you said on his charisma and his stage presence and his reputation. Yeah. So he feels like he's really jumped the shark in the last five years. Whereas I thought he would when we saw him at JFL and that tiny show, yeah, I feel like that was almost his peak.
It was incredible. And he's been most every year since that day seven years ago. Yeah, when he, but he has moments of real and that's why I think what's frustrating is because like when he does dial it in, it's the best. It's like when he did that SNL monologue, they would bring him in like when something that culture happens.
Yeah. He did it last year on recently. Well, it was something I think Trump got knocked on one but then he did another one recently. Yeah.