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And you know that my commitment to you is to bring you guests that I believe can expand your mind and answer a vision and help you live a better, happier, and healthier life. And today's guest is going to do exactly that. I mean, reading his work, following it for some time as well. And even the other day when I was stopped on the Underground, someone actually approached me and said, Jay, my friend who they were with at the time is struggling with cancer, is having a really tough time.
Watch your one piece of advice. And I was literally, I was literally moving around. And I was like, watch your one piece of advice. I was like, you have to read Dr.
Joe D'Sven's books. And that's what I said. So today's guest is in New York Times, bestselling author, a corporate consultant, a writer and a speaker, spoken over 33 different countries and in six continents. And these events are completely booked.
They're just been hearing about how incredibly booked and advanced the art of whether it's Niagara Falls or Cantrinoon. I guess today's Dr. Joe D'Sven's. Thank you for being here.
Happy to be with you, Jay. Yeah, I really appreciate you being here. Like I said, I've been following you up for some time. I've recommended your work to many people.
I've seen all of my friends benefit from your work. And for the few people who may not know who you are and what you do and your work, how you describe what you do. I get this question a lot when I get on an airplane and some piece is next to me and you go home and we get into a conversation. I believe in human possibility and potential.
And I think that one of our biggest limiting beliefs is the belief how limited we really are. And so my interest is to give people the science, to begin to understand how powerful they really are. And I think that science really is the language that does that really well. And the new science is like one physics in neuroplasticity, you know, science in neuro-technology, you know, psychonormality, the mind, body connection, epigenetics, all of those sciences point a finger at possibilities.
So I want to create a language for people from a philosophical theoretical standpoint for them to begin to understand what's possible. But then I want to be able to have those people begin to wire that information in their brain completely because learning is making new connections right in the brain. But remembering is maintaining the same those connections. And it's so much easier to lose our vision than to remember it.
So then we have to begin to hardwire the brain or install the neurological hardware in preparation for an experience. So the more people understand what they're doing and why, then how it gets easier. So I want to then set up the conditions in an environment in a workshop where people can begin to apply or personalize what they want so that they can have an experience and experience and further and which is the brain. But the prize of an experience is an emotion.
And once you start feeling that limited, once you start feeling abundant, once you start feeling worthy, now you're teaching your body chemically to understand what your mind is intellectually understood. So now just for the mind and experiences for the body, people begin to embody the truth that philosophy, now they can repeat it over and over again, but become an eight in them and become natural, second nature, become easily begin to master that philosophy. So I want people to begin to understand that thoughts are very powerful, feelings drive our thoughts and that they can begin to create better life for themselves once they understand some of these principles. Yeah.
And we hear this a lot. And I've had you say that we sign up to become victims of our own life, explain what that means and how do we start shifting that away and what the alternative is. I think there's degrees of understanding this, Jay, because people use the word victims so much and I don't really think we spend a lot of time really unraveling the idea. But if I said to you, Jay, how you doing today?
And you said, well, I'm really upset because of this person or this circumstance or this condition in my life, then what we're saying, this is not conscious. This is an unconscious program. What we're saying is somebody out there is actually controlling the way I'm feeling and the way that I'm thinking. So if something out there is controlling your feelings and your thoughts, your victim to whoever whatever that is now, here's the challenge, the challenge is when things go really well, then you are feeling really good.
But when things aren't going very well, then you're feeling pretty bad. So then the end result of that is that many people then become unconsciously reliant on something out there to change how they feel in here. But if they don't understand that they're creating reality all the time and they're living in lack and unworthiness in separation for their whole entire life waiting for the event to happen to take away their lack or emptiness, well, they'll spend their whole entire life wishing, wanting, waiting, hoping. And so then that creates further separation from things changing.
So then the idea then is to turn that battleship around. Is it possible then that the way you think and the way you feel can begin to produce effects in your outer world? Now, that isn't something that you swallow in one bite. It's a process of gaining knowledge, it's a process, a practice, it's a process of experience.
But once you start seeing those synchronicities, those coincidences, those opportunities, that start to fall into place because you're experiencing changing your outer world. If you're doing the work, you're going to start paying attention to what you're doing inside of you. That's producing the effect outside of you. And once you correlate the changes of what you're doing inside of you, what you're doing inside of you, you're going to pay attention to what you did and you're going to do again and all of a sudden, you're going to start believing more that you're the creator of your life, unless you're the victim of your life.
So if your thoughts and feelings somehow have an effect on your outer world and you're reacting to the same people at the same place at the same time, the same circumstances, then you're actually reaffirming the same reality because you're thinking equal to everything that you know. So then in order to change that, we have to begin to be greater than our environment and being is how we think and feel. So when people begin to practice this, they're not so quick to give their power away to the person or condition in their life because stronger the emotion you feel from some problem or condition in your life, the more altered you feel inside of you, the more you pay attention to the cause. Well, where you place your attention is where you place your energy.
So you're giving your life force, you're giving your energy away to that person or problem that you could be using to heal that you could be using the creative in the future. So then teaching people then how to self-regulate and find the present moments and settle their body down from those unconscious programs or those emotions that you're conditioned to. That's the work. And so then when you start lowering the volume to those emotions and you're doing the work and mastering yourself in some way, as you begin to change your emotional state, you're not going to be thinking about that person or problem and you're going to begin to take your power back.
And it literally begins to build a person's own electromagnetic field now they have energy to heal. They have energy to create a new future. That's amazing. Before we dive into that, I want to ask you this because we were just speaking about this earlier that 10 to 15 years ago, a lot of people we have struggled with these ideas and it took a bit of pushing.
But now people are coming to the end of the game and they're not more open. You know, all of these themes and topics are becoming more broader conversation. But hearing about these ideas tell me if there are so many people that have to go listening or just anyone listening and just like, yeah, I've kind of heard about this whole thing before. But like, you share with us some examples of how you've seen this transform some of the biggest things in people's lives.
Well, first of all, 15, 20 years ago, everybody wanted to say in the philosophical realm, nobody wanted to do anything. This is a time in history where it's not enough to know. This is a time in history to know how because information is so available. You don't need a doctor, you don't need a reason in a rabbi, you don't need a governor, you don't need a teacher, you need information in a party in law.
Because of technology, we have access to information, information creates awareness. And awareness is consciousness. You can have consciousness without energy. So people are beginning to wake up with a greater level awareness of what's possible.
So 15 years ago, 20 years ago, 10 years ago, I walked out and there was always a little resistance. But now people are coming because they want to actually experience the truth of it. So that makes my job easier because I can just walk out and just fire away because people are prepared. They're informed that they're ready.
So anything that's not consistent with that energy or that level awareness, those paradigms are beginning to break down. Whether it's education, whether it's religion, whether it's politics, economics, the environment, the medical model, everything's collapsing because people are informed. So I love that idea because when people show up and they say, well, listen, I understand I have a health condition. I understand that it's taken me 10 years of being unhappy, 10 years of living in stress, 10 years of living in fear.
That's actually begin to signal or select and instruct the gene that creates the disease. Well, it may take me some time then to unlearn that process to break that condition process. So there's a practical understanding now. But something amazing is happening.
We've spent over 10 years doing very advanced scientific studies. We've done over 8,500 brain scans. We've measured so many thousands of hearts because if you're going to create a new future, it requires a clear intention and a later motion. Well, let's train our people how to create really, really high level brain coherence and really, really, really self regulating heart coherence.
Why? Because if you're going to believe in that future that you're creating with all of your heart, it better be open and activated and you better know how to do that. And you better understand the science of what happens. We've measured gene regulation, 7,500 gene regulation.
We know you can change your gene expression in 40 days. We've measured, you're not doomed by your genes. Your own genetic engineer, that you can lengthen your life when we've seen telomeres actually lengthen 60 days of meditation that you add days of your life, your changing your genetic future that you can strengthen your immune system by far alone. That's the evidence from the scientific perspective and people love the evidence because they start to see that's possible.
You're not going to find that in a pharmaceutical commercial. You're not going to find that out there in the world. You've got to really be hungry and look for. So then that sets the stage for the person to come and want to have that experience.
There may not be so quick to say, hey, I want to heal my body right away. They may say, I need to get my brain heart to heal here at first. I have to begin to put my effort into learning how to do this, like learning in detail. Then you have testimony, which is people with stage four cancer people that are blind.
They're seeing people that are deaf, they're hearing people with tumors on their thyroid, people with Parkinson's disease, with mice, they're going to grab us with MS, with rare genetic disorders that metall science had no solution for that struggled with all the conventional approaches and not absolutely nowhere. It started doing this work and now they're standing on the stage and front with thousands of people and saying, I had stage four cancer. My doctors want to know what I'm doing. And this is the patient says, well, I'm down regulating genes for disease and I'm regulating genes for health.
Doctors are scratching and they're saying, what do you mean? So now you have evidence in testimony and evidence is the loudest voice. So just like a disease spreads amongst the community in alters. I think that health and wellness can be as infectious as disease.
And so the person in the audience who's looking at the person with stage four cancer and the person is telling their story and it's not glamorous. And it's not a Hollywood version. This is real. They lost everything.
They went bankrupt. They lost their friends. They lost certain things in their life. But they were persistent.
And that person is the example of truth. And it's undeniable. And she's not the one who's been blind. The doctor said her vision is going to get worse.
And she has a transcendental moment. And she can see it in. Like, that doesn't happen a year later after you've had stroke. And then, you know, people having all of these transcendental changes that are going on.
I think now that what's happening is I'm more surprised at this point than anybody because I never thought how far this could go. So I'm super happy. I'm overjoyed with what's taking place. And I think we've kind of pierced that form of mind.
Once you break that veneer in consciousness, then other people can do it. And I think there's strong footprints in consciousness in the quantum field. I think there's evidence in three dimensional reality. And it's a very important thing to do.
And I think it's important to work with the people's lives that have been transformed. And what I want to get into now is that really practical aspect of breaking that pattern. Because that's when most of us are. We have that negative self-talk.
We have the victim mindset. We have the I'm busy. I've got too much going on. I am overwhelmed.
I'm experiencing anxiety. It's that person at work. It's my partner. We have that reality of where we are today.
How do we break that pattern in a way that actually makes a difference in it's easy enough at a starting point? Yeah. It's been said that you should meditate for 20 minutes a day. Unless you're really busy.
Then you should meditate for an hour a day. Yeah. I love that. And the information is what opens that door.
I mean, if you think that your thoughts have something to do with your future, just from a theoretical standpoint that your thoughts create your destiny. And you think 60 to 70,000 thoughts in one day and 90% of those thoughts are the same thoughts as a day before. Well, then your life isn't going to change very much as long as you're thinking the same way. And those those same thoughts lead to the same choices, the same choices lead to the same behaviors.
The same behaviors create the exact same experiences. And we anticipate the same feelings or emotions from those experiences. And those emotions are the payoff that drive every same thoughts or biology on our circuitry and our chemistry, our hormones, even our gene expression, will be equal to how we think, how we act, and how we feel, and how we think, how we act, and how we feel, it's called our personality. And our personality creates our personality.
That's it. So the present personality who's listening to this show has created the present personality on their life. So if you can latch onto this idea, if you want to create a new life, a new person or reality, you got a change of personality, which means you got to start thinking about, and you've been thinking about changing it. You begin to become conscious of your unconscious actions or habits or behaviors and modify them.
And then we have to begin to look at the emotions that we live by every single day. There are people connected to the past and decide that these emotions belong in our future. So most people are trying to create a new personality as the same personality that doesn't work. You literally have to become someone else.
So the principal in their own sciences that nerve cells that fire together, why together? You keep thinking the same way, making the same choices, demonstrating the same habits, the creating the same experiences that stamp the same networks of neurons into the same patterns, all for the familiar feeling called you. And you do that for 10 years on end. You're going to be in the hard wire, certain patterns in your brain that becomes your identity.
And by the time we're 35 years old, it kind of becomes fixed, right? And psychology used to say that you can't change that, but we now know that you can't. So then that kind of box in the brain, that is the habit of ourselves. It's a word 95% of the time running a series of programs.
So then sitting and doing the work, we have to become disentangled from those programs. And so the moments you decide to do something differently are making a choice, but most people don't want to face that discomfort. And that discomfort, that uncertainty, that lack of predictability, that unknown, is what people are afraid of. Because they'd rather live and guilt.
At least they can predict who they're going to be than take a chance in possibility. So when a person begins to understand this and you say, well, how long have you been this way? And they say, I've been like this for 35 years. And you say, why 35 years?
Because 35 years ago I had this one event. Well, the stronger the emotion you feel from reaction from that event, the more altered you feel inside of you, the more the brain narrows its focus and freezes the image and takes a snapshot. And that's called the memory, right? So then forget the memory.
You can just overcome the emotion because it's the emotion that keeps you anchored to the past. So that sounds really good theoretically. But when you step out into that unknown, into that void, the body really isn't habit. And what happens when the body becomes the mind.
Or if you're thinking about that past event and it's producing an emotion, well, you need an image and a feeling to start the condition process. So the body's either conditioned into the familiar past or it's hardwired in the particular future, because it wakes up every single day and runs through the same series of routine actions. So the present moment then becomes the unknown. People start feeling that discomfort, they're rather good on their cell phone, call someone, get up and say, I can't meditate, or I have too much to do.
They excuse themselves. They return back into that familiar feeling because the body's actually telling the brain. The habit is when the body becomes the mind. So the body's stepping out into the unknown and says, ooh, I'd rather feel guilty.
I'd rather feel unhappy than being in this discomfort. So then at least then when they return back to that familiar feeling, then they feel safe. So they step out into the unknown. The body starts influencing the mind saying you can start tomorrow.
You're too busy. It's your mother's fault. It's your culture's fault. I don't have enough money.
This isn't going to work. Those are the programs in there that are standing in the way between you and your future. So then, nerve cells that no longer fire together no longer wire together. So the act of observing those states of mind and body means you're no longer a program.
You're the consciousness observing that program. So then to meditate, it means to become familiar with. So to become familiar with those thoughts, to become conscious of how you speak, to become aware of how you act, you notice how you're feeling. The more conscious you become of those unconscious programs, the less unconscious you'll go in your waking day.
Why? Because it's not enough to just have a great meditation, get up and get on the freeway and get in traffic and get in the stress. You just return back to the old self again. Our job then is to sustain that modified state of mind and body, the entire day.
And if you can, get ready because something different or unusual, it's going to begin to happen in your life. And it will come as a coincidence or a synchronousity. And that's breadcrumbs from the divine saying you're on the path. Just keep doing it.
You'll be another one. Just keep staying in that energy. And so teaching people then to understand that there's a formula that we now know that if you apply that formula, you'll begin to see those changes. And now, as people are doing it more and more effectively, the results are going up as well.
We just had Bond University. They just took a whole bunch of my brain scans from 10 years ago. Huge clinical study, a lot of analysis. And they're blown away by the speed in which the community can change, bring hard, don't you guys?
They know how to do it. It's not something that's separate from them. They've practiced it enough times that they now know how to do it. So what's the significance of that?
Well, really simple. In your life, if you start returning back to the same reactions to the same people in circumstances, you're returning back to the old self. So you guys stay conscious in your life. And if you're not being defined by a vision of the future, then you're left with the memories of the past and you will be predictable in your life.
So crossing that river of change from the old self to the new self, there's a neurological, biological, chemical, hormonal, genetic death of the old self. But if you teach people there's something on the other side, they won't give up on themselves. They'll keep going. So there's enough evidence to encourage people.
And you can't tell me you're too old to do this work. You can't tell me you're too sick to do this work. You can't tell me you have a turbulent past or that you're too overweight or too underweight or too out of shape. Or you can't even tell me that you've never meditated before.
In fact, it's over at greatest scans of people who just have never meditated before. They're not trying to do anything. Just follow instructions. So how much do I want to wait one right now about one, 30?
I want to wait three weeks to wait. I want to leave you about original hits. I want to leave you about laughing and learning when life just keeps on my face. You're learning mistakes so that you guys don't have to.
We're growing, we're driving. And yes, sometimes we're barely surviving, but we do it all with love. It's unreal, it's unfree, it's untraditional, you're not on the other side. I have an apple podcast or wherever you get your podcast.
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We got 1,000 people or 1,500 people and they are all in. And when they start getting beyond themselves, that's the first day or second day. Once they start getting beyond themselves. And that magic starts to happen.
Then I have no idea I can't predict how what's going to happen. And it's usually pretty exciting. Absolutely. And instead of that, when the pain of saying the same outweighs the pain of change, then we will change.
Exactly. Exactly. And why is it that we get so attached to that old self? Like what is it about is it security?
Is it safety? Is it familiarity? Is it what is that? That you just so attached and so focused on the way we like that.
I think we've been hypnotized and conditioned into becoming materialists. I think that we define reality with our senses. And I think that is one of the biggest illusions. So the fundamental question is can you believe in a future that you can't see your experience with your senses yet, but you thought about enough times in your mind that your brain is literally changed to look like the event has already occurred.
Now the latest research in plasticity says it's absolutely possible. And can you select a new possibility in the quantum field? And begin to emotionally embrace that future every single day to such a degree that your body as the unconscious mind, the objective mind does not know the difference between the experience in your life that's grieving the emotion. And the emotion that you're fabricating by far alone to the degree that you begin to signal new genes and new ways to change your body to look like the experience has already happened.
Now the latest research in epigenetics is absolutely possible. Think about this. Every day installing circuitry, every day conditioning the body into the emotion of the future. That your body begins to change to look like it's already happened.
It's where it gets fun because now you no longer have to go anywhere to get. Now it begins to come to you become the vortex or the magnet to your destiny. So then people who come out of their meditation and they say, well, I just focused on my wealth, why isn't it there? Well, you're not that good.
If you're asking why isn't it there, you're back to the old person again. You stay in that state for a standard period of time as experiment, as a scientist in your life to keep your energy connected to the dream of your future. And then see what kind of effects begin to take place without moving into impatience, without moving into frustration, without starting to analyze why it hasn't happened or when that is the trap of the final reality with your senses. So you have a thought of your future and you don't see the new experience separation.
But people who are practicing this work, they have a thought of the future and they feel the emotion of their future, they're still connected to it. So that takes practice. And it's just learning, hitting it off while hitting a tennis ball, dancing with salsa, crocheting, whatever it is, you gotta start out. It's a thing in all conscious and learning.
Then you get good at it and it's to be instrumental. It's to be fun and that's why I want for everybody. But the act of creation should be blissful, like static, loose, free process. And so I love the idea of people taking time out of their lives to prove to themselves that if they're defined by the vision of the future, then they're not living by the memories of the past.
And that's where the unknown exists. Many people, the unknown is a scary place. So they don't see that future because they're used to seeing that future with evidence, with their senses. And you have to be able to get beyond that and stay in the unknown, stay in that discomfort.
And then in that moment, to begin to self-regulate. Like, oh, I'm starting to feel anxiety. Ooh, I'm starting to feel frustration. That's the defining moment where your body is going back to the past, but emotions are a record of the past.
Or you go into routine again. So you catch yourself. It's a victory. And if you keep catching yourself, those victories add up.
And it's not so much about your wealth or your health or your freedom or your relationship. It's actually about who you become. And so overcoming the old self allows us to become somebody else. And there is that period of transition.
You have to call it the void where there's just not a lot happening. And you just gotta be able to keep going in continuously, get to the end of your belief where most people stop. I just have fabulous conversation with someone this weekend. Broke through to the other side.
And now there's so much magic happening around this person. But she's worthy now to receive it. And that is the key because the universe only gives us about what we think we're worth everything. So we got to come initiated into this and understand that thousands of years of programming that says that we have to change things that matter, no, and three dimensional reality and it will take time.
But to begin to connect to that resource called the quantum field and create from the field instead of a matter. So a lot of learning that has to go on. Absolutely. And when you're catching yourself, what are you doing?
Are you writing that down? Are you noting that down? Are you making a mental note of practically what is someone having to do to what's it catching? Then how do you deal with that emotion and anxiety in the moment that feels so heavy, that feels so real?
The real when you're trapping it. And like you said, I was just at the effects of the Court of the Menlo Park a couple of weeks ago, I was testing out the new Oculus range of virtual reality. And all the studies behind virtual reality show now that you feel the same experience of hanging off the edge of a cliff in virtual reality. And everybody just makes the same sense of the way through acting and you're playing.
So just showing how imagination doesn't matter the other way through virtual reality. But how that feels so real? When you're stepping out off the ledge, you're doing it through reality. So anxiety shows a real, what do you do after catching it?
What happens to that emotion? Well, just like anything else, Jammy. It's just like, hit it off while you're back into a bad habit yet. You have to really begin to mentally rehearse.
Like so you ask yourself at the end of your day, I do this every day. How do I do? How do I do it, bro? How do you do?
Just do good. Where do you fall from grace? What was it that caused you to go unconscious for the rest of the day? What was that moment?
Now if you're a student of life, you'll begin to contemplate, well, it was that person that said that thing that I reacted or this I got the female or things that can go my way. I started feeling angry or frustrated or fearful. The next time that happens, how do I involve my experience? Now you may have to search for some answers of the best model to build, or you may actually have a long completion and start to go, the next time that happens, I think I'm going to do this or I'm going to do that or I'm going to plan my behaviors.
And the act of closing your eyes and rehearsing what you're going to do begins to install the neurological hardware in your brain to look like you already did it. Now the brain is no longer a record of the past. Now it's a map to the future and if you keep installing that hardware, the hardware will become a software program which means you'll just start acting like a happy person. Why there's no magic there?
You install the circuitry. So that's more important than the news. It's more important than answering any email or in text. It's more important than talking about your past or some dinner.
If you can begin to just think about how you're going to do it differently, that's the building process neurologically already. So now you have to get conscious in order to do that and take some time and set yourself on, if you have to close your door, you have to take a break from everything out there and begin to practice. And so by experience then you start noticing, oh, here it comes, here comes the frustration, here comes the fear. And now we've given people the tools to be able to self regulate and create brain and heart during it.
So you see people say, excuse me, when am I just going to do a minute? It takes breaths to get back in and connect to the energy of the future. This is incidental compared to where they're going. So they don't fall from grace, they don't allow their energy to drop.
And so yeah, in the beginning, it takes a lot because it takes a lot of energy and awareness to stay conscious and not go unconscious. But if you're persistent and you're determined, then you're sincere. You begin to figure it out. You begin to say, I am not going to give my power away to that person or that circumstance when I can use it to heal or create a new future.
And so people then won't use themselves and say, a hard day yesterday out of fight with my coworker or my exer. And I'm feeling the work. Well, that's the time to get back on the horse. Yeah.
Because because it's all of those times that we self correct, those are the most valuable moments that people who've had profoundly transcendental experiences where they, we say, we've got lit up, they connected and the brain goes into very, very high coherent states and super gamma patterns are way outside of normal. They have a transcendental downloader connection that's mystical. They look back at their entire life. They want to change one thing in their past because it got into that moment.
That's a moment that passed no longer exists. Now, why the same means they look back at their past and they see all those tough moments where they overcame themselves and they fall in love with that person. They don't look at the good meditations or the things that went, well, they look, they know that it was those moments that got into this moment. And I think then that's when they begin to understand that all of the hard work, all the effort in who we become makes, no one can take that away from us.
So then once we arrive at that level and we experience whatever the dream is or whatever we create. The next thing is, do it until you fully enjoy the night, it's boring or predictable. Let's go again. Let's do something else.
Yeah. I think that's evolution. Yeah. Absolutely.
It's the day you don't want to, it's the day you must need to. Exactly. And I think what you said about self correction there and mental rehearsal is such powerful point because I think it's, I always say this like, warrior's prepare not on the battlefield, right? Like you don't prepare when someone's about a slice you with a, you prepare in your quarters, you prepare in the training camp.
And I think for a lot of us, we wait till things go bad. We wait for that moment where the feeling pain or stress runs, I think they go, okay, we wait, wait, wait and then we look for our toolkit. Yeah. Yeah.
It's that preparation of that toolkit. And now let's bring some of the myths around this visioning of the future that you're speaking about because we hear it so often. And I'm intrigued to see which, which way you want to. But I feel like we live in a world where often people are visioning the future.
They vision stuff. So you have a vision of the car you want or you have a vision of an amount of money you want or you have a vision of a home you want. And you see this with people with their vision boards. What's your take on that and is that the right type of visioning and what is the right type of vision?
Well, we do so many different variations because I think people integrate information differently. And all of those cars and homes and whatever that is, there are symbols of what it looks like when a person actually arrives at this concept called abundance, right? So if those things help them to associate with something that creates a feeling of abundance and they're building their vision board to help them to get clear on their intent, then that's fine, because they're associating objects or things or material things that they'll say, that's what I know that I'm abundant. That's fine.
Other people say, look, abundance just means that I have more than I need. And I'm happy with that. And for them, there's a feeling that's associated with that. And when they begin to dream about their future, they may see themselves in a scene or see themselves a certain way.
I don't care what it takes for the person to get there because once they have their abundance, this happens quite a bit in our work. When you finally have everything you want, there's only one thing you're going to ask yourself, how am I going to contribute to the world? You might not make a difference. So we use different tools to help people to get to that point.
But if the person is doing the vision board and they're saying, when I get my new car, I get my new house, I get my new relationship, then I'm going to feel so great. Now, they're back to the program waiting for it to happen for them to feel the emotion. They're believing in their outer world has to change in order for them to feel better. There's no effect of drawing the experience to you with that way.
So the person has to use those tools to get them into the emotional state for them to feel like it's already happened. Nothing about this. If you get up from a creative process and you feel grateful, you feel a love for life, you feel a joy for existence, you feel a passion for the moment, you will not be looking for your future because you'll feel like it's already happened. It's a moment that we start feeling those self-limbing emotions that we feel separation.
And then we start looking for it again. Well, then if you're waiting, you're not creating your inspiration again. So then, so then, whatever it takes for you to move into a state of being and what is a state of being? Thoughts are the vocabulary of the brain.
Feelings are the vocabulary of your body. How you think and how you feel creates your state of being. So then if you wake up in the morning and you come back to your senses with a clean slate and you say, don't feel anything, you say, let me start thinking about all the problems in my life. A lot of those problems are connected to different people with different objects with things at different times and places.
The moment you remember your problems and memories are a record of the past, you're thinking in the past. Every one of those problems that an emotion associated with them. So all of a sudden you start feeling unhappy, you start feeling bitter, you start feeling frustrated. It's another body's in the past.
So then most people then create a state of being that's connected to their past. And if they're in the familiar past, then they are going to create the predictable future and they're going to fall back into routine. So then, we want people then to get very clear on that vision of their future, however they do it, and begin to combine that clear intention with an elevated emotion. And the stronger the emotion they feel from the vision they're creating, the more alter they feel inside of them, the more than a pay attention to the pictures in their mind.
And now they're remembering the future and biologically. It's exactly the same as remembering your past. In fact, if you're not being defined by a vision of future, it means you're making your past more real than your future. You're falling in love with your past, you're one of your past and you're watching your future.
That you're believing in your past, more than you're believing in your future. When you get to that moment where you have that feeling, that's your compass, because that feeling is going to drive your behaviors. It's going to drive more of those thoughts. And when you feel that feeling in a visceral, no person, no thing, no experience will stand in the way between you and that vision.
And you will be initiated by the universe into wealth. You will be initiated into health. You'll be initiated between those people, all those people that feel themselves in all those different health conditions. They are so humble and so happy and they feel so great that they would never trade this feeling because of what you thought of them.
They've left that program behind a long time ago. They actually don't care how you think of them. They actually are so happy with themselves that they're no longer dependent on anything outside of them. And I think that's a really important moment because that's the moment we give people permission in our lives to do the same.
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You're not creating that. Listen, you're just in the waiting. I really think that that's such a powerful message. And let the listening and watching right now.
Let that really sit with you because if you was waiting, if you was postponing, if you was delaying, if you was expecting, again, like you said, an external thing to change your internal reality, then you're again back at level one. Yeah. And look, I mean, we're in a convenience space society. I mean, if you lose your internet connection or your cell phone doesn't do it, as opposed to people get angry.
That's 20 seconds. Right? So here you work reading something out of nothing and you don't have the patience. Well, that has to come out because a very, very masterful person who is abundant had to own impatience.
So then never make it be about the end result. Make it be about effort. Every day you're overcoming every day you're out of the leachers and you're on the field and you're giving it you're all in your practicing, keeping your energy greater than your habits in your body or emotional condition. You're body greater than any circumstance in your environment and sustaining it for an extended period of time.
And all of a sudden when you're connected to the energy of your future. And you know what that feels like. Yeah. You will know the moment when we turn back to the energy of your past.
And if you tell me it's because of your boss, your co-worker, your ex, your back to the unconscious program that you're the victim of your life. Right? So then it takes some unlearning and learning process is the most important process. Because once you do that, you're clearing out room for the next creation to be easier.
And the next one is easier because you're starting to understand the formula better. And you're starting to go back to that person and you're not going to react or I'm not going to go back to that person. And I'm just going to self regulate again. I really need a few experiences to know that this is the truth.
And then you start making managing your attention and you manage your energy a lot better. And I think that I always say, I don't care that you fall off at work. I just care when you get back on. Because some people fall off and they have to go into guilt and analysis and they say, weeks and we could just set it.
I fell off and just get back on and keep going here. Yeah. I've heard you say that people use their nightclub relationships and all of my content, my audience like learning my relationships, they obviously said to be part of life. I've heard you say that we use relationships as a mechanism for our addictions to any motions.
Yeah. And tell me how we do that and how to snap out of that. Because sometimes we're kind of like, okay, well, you're not doing that. You're using someone else's, you're corrupt.
Well, I mean, I think that emotions are energy emotion. And so let's just say that we share the same experiences. Okay? I don't know.
We're friends and we share the same experience. We're learning from London. London, London, London, London, London. Hey, you do this.
I do that. You do that. We're just going to sign on that. So what we do is we actually look to see when we meet people if we're matching, they're logically over matching emotions.
So if we share the same experiences, we share the same emotions. And if we share the same emotions, we can relate to one another. So this is where I get sticky. So then the moment you start saying, that person did that to you once you had that person, I had a similar experience that person did that to me now.
Now we open the door like, I'm going to use you to reaffirm my attachment to that emotion. And let's just work it up so that you can suffer and I can suffer and then we can have a conversation. And literally we're sharing the same energy. And we're sharing the same energy.
We're sharing the same information and we're bound by an invisible field of energy that keeps us connected. So then what does it take to break that energetic feel? And energy that's greater than the energy that's holding it together. That's how you separate atoms that become a model.
They're bound by an invisible field of energy that's keeping them connected. So you got to use a greater energy than the energy that's holding them together. That's great. In order for you to change then, you can't have energy without awareness or consciousness.
You got to go greater level of consciousness and change your energy and nobody changes Jay until they change their energy. When they change their energy, they change their life. So then you may say, well, this person, I use this person and I use my enemy to refer my addiction to hatred. I use my coworker to refer my addiction to judgment.
I use my X to refer my addiction to resentment that we have these different people in our lives that we need to remind us of who we think we are. The enemy dies and you find another one. Your coworker leaves and you start judging another one. It's just, it's not that.
So then when there's no longer vibrational match, when you start doing the work, there's no longer vibrational match with you and your past president. Yeah, that person or that condition any longer. That person or condition is going to spiral away because you're no longer in need of that. So then our life begins to change when we change our energy and we begin to take our power back is essential for us to begin to create.
Now some people can't handle that because they're not conscious that they're doing it. So they'll be working on their vision of the future. And yet they'll spend two hours lowering their energy back into victimization or suffering and they want to know why their future isn't happening. Well, there's an unconscious program.
Let's go after that. And once you start going after that, now all of a sudden your life starts changing. So you can't say it doesn't work on some level. We don't work.
And if you're really invested in this, the question is what is it about me? Where am I directing my attention or energy? Who am I using to reaffirm some conditioning that I need to remember as myself? So then we stop reacting to the person or the person's now complaining to you and you're not complaining back.
It's going to be an uncomfortable moment because you're all sensing a part of you. You used to be that you no longer are and you have to be willing to not go there in overtime. That person will thank you and they'll say, I didn't even know that I was complaining that much. By changing yourself, you help others.
You know what just sounds hard works. Yeah, absolutely. And I think that's the painful reality of what you're saying is that when you made about it doesn't work. Actually, we're not working here.
Like we're not working towards it. Our proportions of future versus past are totally off. And so we want to feature a grow, but we spend 50% less time on it than we do still in that past programming. And I think that's kind of like the hardest build this world.
It is. It is. It's like much painful time. But look, how bad does it have to get?
I mean, to what denominator? To what lowest level do you have to reach before people really make up their minds? Change my message is why wait? When you're feeling so off-road emotional and you feel so bad, that's the moment you can actually see yourself in the first time because you're not answering yourself on your not really.
responding to all your texts. You're not watching TV. You're not calling out to dinner. You're not calling people back.
You're something's altered in you and you're starting to become self aware, right? So then people wait to that last moment when they can start to see themselves through the eyes of somebody else. Well, if you're waking up every day and you're combining a clear intention with an elevated emotion and you're changing your emotional state to be elevated, you can still see the old self from an elevated point of view and be safe conscious then from a limited point of view. And that's why I want for people like, let's go.
I mean, we got to lose. People are wondering like, did you change your medication? What's up with that guy? Something's different about him.
You're not predictable any longer. Right? You know, when you're changing, you just stop talking about it. You're just too busy being it.
You're something's happening. No, that's the repetition of getting a few days in a row of that really well. I always say, if you have great meditation, you wake up feeling better at the end of that meditation when you started. You do that the next day and then the next day, you're going to start feeling better all the time and then your body's going to start feeling better and everything's going to start feeling better.
And you're going to start feeling better about life. So then we have a thousand reasons. I have more than a thousand reasons every day to be unhappy with managing companies and staff and people all that. But then when you rise above that and you choose just who you want to be, I think it makes a big impression on your family, first yourself, your family and your friends and people you work with and then finally our community.
So I figure that out there and when they imagine the oxytocin levels in our student body, the love hormone, the love chemical, 200 times outside of normal. Well, this research on oxytocin, it's like the slight elevation of oxytocin, it's impossible to hold the rush. Now, so then what that means is you feel so amazing that why would you want to hold the rush against that person? So forgiveness then is not something that you have to try to do to these virtual.
It's the side effect of saying, I don't want to give up this feeling for you or anybody. So I'm letting you go, I'm free and you won't free in myself and my goodness, there's more liberation of energy. I call that the natural state of being and we're knocking on that door. Why?
Because as you begins to open your heart to life again, you start trusting in your future and trusting yourself a little bit more. And you start self-regulating with your heart. You do that properly and you lead from that place, from that level of awareness. Your life will change in dramatic ways and why is that essential?
Because when people start doing that effectively, oxytocin signals nitric oxide, nitric oxide signals a chemical cold and those the oil derived, relax and factor. And that causes the arteries in your heart and lungs, Jay, to literally swell just like when your when your sexual organs are roused and blood flow moves into that male and female. That's a different consciousness. There's a different energy in there.
Imagine the same intensity moving into your heart. That's what people are experiencing. That is a level of love. That's not like a love for your puppy.
It's not like a love for your partner. You're not sending of that. This is the most familiar unfamiliar feeling you will ever have. It'll be distance and at the same time very close and you'll start to see the hidden meaning behind all things.
And now when you walk in the presence of your greatest betrayer, the person who threw you under the bus, whatever it is. When you walk in from this place, there will be no emotional reaction. You will just see that person from who you use to be. Now, compassion then is no longer something that you have to try to do.
It's the end product of doing the work. And I think that mystics and saints and masters of old understood this. So when they thought of that person, they didn't allow that thought to produce a feeling or an energy that would lower their energy. They understood that when they had the thought of that person, they saw their limitation.
It wasn't hurting them. It was only hurting themselves. I think that the world was doing that. Wow, we'd have a very different world.
I love that point. That's a phenomenal point. You've been incredible. I love this conversation.
We end every on purpose of the final five. This is kind of like a quick fire at the fire round. But before we dive into that, I just wanted to just take that point that you just ended on there. I think that's the big one.
What you just said to me, that's the big one. It's the recognition that when you're assimilating a negative door or negative judgment or a negative emotion, envy, greed, whatever it may be, that's actually learned your energy. And when you get to that place where you're experiencing that incredible bliss, right? You can't.
You can't. Yeah. And even if you have the thought before, it will come because we still have those thoughts. The thought will be an understanding of human nature because you're no longer at that vibrational level.
Are you rising above it? And any more and more people are starting to figure that out. And the people in their lives are like, no, my husband. My husband is a changed person.
He's not the same guy. I know him. I know he's completely different. And the guy's just like, yeah, I feel amazing.
I feel amazing. And all it was was sitting in the fire for a little bit of time until the body finally moved out of the past into the present moment. And so the causes of this, like I would say, you never know what you're doing today and how you're doing it, who you're going to affect tomorrow when you do this work. And so I'm not seeing the people are there.
They're getting promotions. They're getting all these wonderful things, not because of anything that they're doing. They're just different. And people notice that and they want those people in the position to make better decisions for the whole.
And I think that's how it changes the world. Absolutely. I love it. So here's your final five to the other question is, what are the three things we should say when we make up the morning?
Well, thank you. Well, first, I would say was the greatest ideal of myself that I can be today. And I would not get up until I felt like that person. The second thing I would say is, can I begin to keep my energy up the entire day?
And if I do it properly, then I will be open to opportunities and possibilities that weren't there before. The last thing I would say is, could I sustain brain and heart coherence to the point where the intelligence within me that's giving you life begins to find a door to open out so I can begin to see evidence in my world. I love that. Beautiful.
Question two, what would you say every evening before you go sleep? Oh yeah, how did I do that? How did I do today? I mean one day, one lifetime.
How did I do today? Did I change or help another human being that I really changed someone's future of future timeline? Lastly, what's the greatest thing I learned? Question number three of the five three things to remove from other debaury.