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We also know that people become addicted to the stress hormones, to those emotions. And then we need the bad job, we need the bad relationship, we need the traffic, we need the news, just so that they can stay in that emotional state. But now you're headed for disease. Because no organism can live in emergency mode for that extended period of time.
But I literally can give people the tools to be able to break those emotional additions. And our data shows it works better than any trouble. Dr. Jodus Spencer is a world-leading voice on the power of the mind.
Whose groundbreaking research has unlocked a practical formula to empower millions of people to rewire their minds and create long-lasting change. If I'm looking to change my life because it's in this horrible cycle of the same old-same old-same old, I feel about myself. What do I need to know? I think that first thing is you can't tell me that your past was so brutal that you can't change.
Because we have seen people with some really, really horrible pasts, abuses, difficult childhoods, and some very serious traumas. We have seen them change that belief and become completely different people. But also the research shows that 50% of the story we tell in our past isn't even the truth. That means that people are reliving a miserable life they never even had, just to excuse themselves from changing.
Or they wait for something to go wrong in their life. And that's when they go, OK, I'm ready to change. Why wait for that? No, we can learn and change and say, hey, I'm suffering.
I can learn and change instead of joining inspiration. And so I want to provide people the information and how to make new connections in their brain. We'll be able to think, act, and feel differently in your same environment. So let's make it down.
What do you do? I teach people the neuroscience and the biology of what it really means to change. And I think when we change, our life changes. So my interest is to demystify that process so that people have within their reach the tools to make measurable changes in their lives.
And what is it you're drawing upon? What experiences, what studies, what research you're drawing upon to give them all these solutions? I was interested, really, in the transcendental experience, the transcendental moment. So when I started teaching this work, I taught the work because people were asking, how do you do it?
Like, how do you change your life? And what does it mean to change? And so I want to provide people the information where they can actually learn the information, make new connections in their brain. That's what learning is.
Repeat what they've learned to the person next to them. You know, build a model of understanding so you can remember it. Remind yourself what you've learned because it's so much easier to forget this information than to remember it. So create a new level of mind.
Take away all the doubt, the conjecture, the superstition, the dogma. And so the person can actually understand what they're doing and why they're doing. So the how gets easier. And when the how gets easier, we assign meaning to the act because we understand what we're doing and when we do that, we want a greater outcome.
So I want to give people the information and I looked at all the latest research that pointed the finger at human potential and human possibility. I had my own personal experience with a personal injury. We talked about it the last time. I studied spontaneous remissions.
I wanted to see what people had in common with each other. And I couldn't find the explanation pretty much in contemporary texts. I had to start looking at neuroplasticity and epigenetics. And then I wanted to see, well, now that I know what people did and I understood what they did to have their own personal healings and transformation, could I reproduce the effects?
Knowing what they did, finding out what the commonalities were, putting it in the language of science and then teaching it to people, they could be sick or they could be well, it wouldn't matter. But understand what they did in order for them to change and have their life change. And after a couple years of teaching it, we started to see kind of the same type of effects in those people that were applying and doing something with it. So, so this is a time in history where it's not enough to know this is a time in history to know how.
So when we started seeing people stepping out of wheelchairs and having traumatic changes in their health, I knew that in some moment during the retreat or during their meditation that something happened to them. They had an experience inwardly that must have changed them biologically. In other words, if you come into an event and you have three days to be together and at the end of three days you're no longer in your wheelchair and you no longer have symptoms of MS, that, you know, the human being and you said, wow, that's amazing, the scientists and you said, how, like, how did that happen? So that's when we started doing our own independent research and that's when I started calling in on scientists and, you know, biologists and quantum physicists and really scientists measuring a heart rate variability to look to see what was going on in people that were coming to our event.
So, I can answer the question by saying now that the majority of the research that I look at is our own personal research and we have the largest database in the world now on meditation and the mind-body connection. And what we do is we really work on demystifying the process of change and transformation. And if we're able to demystify it, I think all the, all of the measurements of the transformation that we're seeing is more information for me to teach transformation better. And I think that's how we close the gap between knowledge and experience.
So we have a huge research team we work with, UC San Diego, we work with other universities like Harvard, Stanford, and the data is so compelling and the data is so amazing that I think we're making a scientific history right now. Hundreds of millions of people have been drawn to you for their own reasons. My partner is one of them. My girlfriend, she has attended your events.
She's going to your big friends in the world and she's experienced her own transformation as a product of attending your events. But also last conversation. I look at the top comments. It's just a string of testimonials from people who have been engaged with your work for decades who have had personal transformation in their life and their family.
What is the essence of why people come to you? Like if you think about the hundreds of millions of people who have interacted with your work, what do they have in common? What is it they're looking for? People come for all kinds of reasons.
The baseline is that they understand on some level that meditation can change their body and change their life. Some people understand that they could have mystical experiences without using any exogenous substances. So we have people that come to want to heal their body, that want to have a new job or a new career or become abundant. People that want to have loving relationships and people that want to have mystical experiences, whatever that is.
But the person is coming with the intention of actually creating exactly what they want. That's what they think they're there for. But in time, what they're really coming for is to change. Even the people who heal from all kinds of health conditions.
What I learned in the last couple of years is they're not doing their meditations to heal. They're doing their meditations to change. When they change, they heal. What they begin to crave is the next unknown experience.
That experience that exists really beyond three-dimensional reality. But I would say that the majority of people come for a particular reason and after a period of time, they just want to get more whole. I don't think there's an end to that. Is there a bug in our minds or in our society within culture that stands in the way of our ability to change?
I think as I ask that question, what I'm really trying to get at is there's a culture that's emerged almost like a bit of a trauma culture where we kind of explain who we are based on what's happened to us. It seems to be justified. This thing happened when I was a kid and that's why I am this way. Is that approach to viewing our trauma productive or unproductive?
Is that a problem? The stronger the emotion we feel from some event in our life, a trauma, a betrayal, a loss, a shock, a diagnosis, the event produces an emotional response. And the high quotient of the emotional response changes our internal state. And the moment we feel altered inside of us, the brain takes a snapshot, freezes the frame or series of frames and take snapshots.
And that's called the long-term memory. So then from a biological perspective, every time the person remembers the problem, they're producing the exact same chemistry in their brain and body as if the event was happening. Okay. Cordes, all the adrenaline, whatever the emotion is.
When they feel that emotion, we could say then that the body is reliving the event emotionally 50 to 100 times in a day. So the trauma is no longer in the brain at that point. Now the trauma is also in the body because thoughts of the language of the brain and feelings of the language of the body. And it's that thought and that feeling.
It's that image and that emotion is that stingless response that's conditioning the body subconsciously to become the mind of that emotion. And now that person emotionally is branded into the past. And you can say to them, why are you this way? Why are you so angry?
Why are you so bitter? Why are you so mistrusting? Why are you so afraid? And they'll say to you, I am this way because of these events or that event that happened to me in my life 20 or 30 years ago.
Now, this is kind of an interesting thing because in a sense, their identity is completely connected to their past. And they as long as they feel that emotion, they'll always remember the past. So now the body is so objective when it feels that emotion, it does not know the difference between the real life experience that's creating the emotion and the emotion that person is fabricating by thought alone. So now the body's believing it's living in the past event 24 hours a day, seven days a week, 365 days a year.
But what the person is really saying is after that event, I haven't been able to change. That's what they're saying. And so that becomes the person's identity. There's nothing wrong with this.
But you'll never hear me say in any other work that we do, go back and process the past. We've discovered that when a person analyzes their problems within the emotions of the past, they make their brain worse. They actually drive it further out of balance. They're over arousing it.
We discovered is that if the person can get beyond the emotion, truly get beyond the emotion, they'll free themselves from the past. And what we discovered is that if you teach a person to give up the fear, the bitterness, the resentment, the frustration, the impatience, the judgment, it's not feeling bad emotion. I know there's a reason why. I'm sure everybody's got a story, right?
But there's nothing that's going to change that story until you change, right? And so we discovered that if you trade those emotions for an elevated emotion, if you start feeling gratitude and appreciation and love and kindness and care and you practice feeling bad emotion, we give you some tools to use, to change your breathing, to put your attention in a different place. And to work with your body, what we discovered is when the person can truly begin to open their heart and we have brain scans on this. When the heart begins to open and it begins to become coherent.
In other words, when you're feeling frustration or impatience or judgment, your heart is beating very incoherently. When you're feeling love and gratitude, kindness and care, there's a rhythm, there's a cadence that the heart has that's very coherent. When the heart gets coherent, we measure this, it immediately informs the brain that the trauma's over. The heart tells the brain the past is over, the event is over, and it resets the baseline in the brain.
And so now the person, when they look back at their past, they're no longer looking at it from the same level of consciousness. In fact, many of them will say, oh my God, I needed to go through all of that to get to this point right here. They'll tell you, they'll say, I wouldn't want to change one thing in my past because it got me to the present moment. Okay, so we work with Navy SEALs, Special Ops, prisoners, we work with people that have had some very serious traumas, have really serious abuses, just difficult childhoods.
These people are night terrors, suicidal, can't leave their homes, socially having trouble panic attacks. It's kind of funny because the moment that person actually breaks through from the emotion, and the words they typically describe, they say, was like my heart exploded. It's like my heart blew wide open. The moment that happens, they're bringing their body right out of the past, right into the present moment.
And lo and behold, many times there goes the anxiety, there goes the depression, there goes the cyclic mood patterns, somehow the body gets recalibrated back into order, back into homeostasis. So the point of making is that the memory without the emotional charge is called wisdom. And now you're ready for the next adventure in your life. This all can't go to the next adventure if it's holding on to the past.
So we don't really ever address the story because the story is only firing and wiring the same circuits in the brain, reaffirming the identity to the past, just to feel the same emotion. And the research shows that 50% of the story we tell in our past isn't even the truth. That means that people are reliving a miserable life they never even had, just to excuse themselves from changing, right? I'm not taking shots at anybody.
But what I am saying is you can't tell me that your past was so brutal that you can't change, because we have seen people with some really, really horrible pasts that literally are completely different people that have completely different lives. I really want to focus in on what it is we're getting wrong when we're trying to treat trauma in modern society, because I see all of these retreats that are in a child healing, and they take you back to when you were a young child, the thing that happens, you ever happen in your life, and they walk you back through it. There's also various types of therapy that make you recount the events, and then they ask you questions about it. You're saying that you don't feel like those approaches are optimal because they just keep you in that circuit of reliving the emotion.
No, I wouldn't say they're not optimal. I mean, I'm sure there's value for people. All I'm saying is that when does the story end? And I'm not certain that insight changes behavior.
You could have a realization, or even from an exogenous drug, you can have a realization or an insight. But if you still can't function in your life and you're still having connected with your wife, or you're still dealing with trauma, it just hasn't served you at all. So the insight that your father was overbearing, or your mother was a perfectionist, or you were beaten as a kid, and that's why you're this way. It doesn't change the behavior.
Let me give you an example then from my life, because this will make you really specific. So when I was young, something I've talked about on the show, that's just an example that allows me to think through your approach. My mum and dad argued a lot, and I would watch my mother in particular, spend a lot of time shouting at my dad. My dad didn't respond.
He was very passive. And it made me feel a certain way as a young child, which meant that when I grew up, I just wanted to avoid women all costs in terms of romantic commitment, because I was almost reliving the emotion of imprisonment that I observed in my father. So I felt like when a girl was interested in me, if you're all of my teen years throughout my early twenties, even if I was interested in her, the minute we came to commit then, I'd get that feeling like I was signing up for prison, and I would reject. Now, I got an insight into this by writing in my diary, actually from doing this podcast because I used to dot my own just solo episodes.
And I could see a pattern. I could see that someone asks me to commit. I get this weird feeling. I reject them.
And then I asked myself, where did that weird feeling come from in your past? And I remembered. Oh, that's how I felt watching my father and my mum when she would just scream at him for a long period of time. I had the insight, which was somewhat useful, but you're right.
And I didn't necessarily stop. Stop the feeling. But what you did really well is in order for us to change, we have to become so conscious of those unconscious beliefs and what's a belief you just keep thinking over and over again or how you've been programmed as a belief. We have to become so aware of our automatic habits and behaviors.
And we have to pay attention to our emotional states if we're going to change. Staying conscious of our unconscious self is really the work that it takes to really overcome so you can become another person. That's 95% of a person by the middle of their life. They're hardwired attitudes, beliefs, and perceptions, automatic habits and behaviors and unconscious emotional responses.
95% of us as a child, your brainwaves are very slow. A door between the subconscious mind and the subconscious mind is wide open. Your brainwaves are an alpha and theta. And so you're very suggestible to the information.
And so your exposure to that caused you to learn that that observation causes you to get programmed to that's the way life is by mirror neurons looking at behaviors that are being programmed in you. So but that's not who you are. The fact that you became conscious, like, oh my god, I do this. Oh my god, I see where I got it from.
Okay, that doesn't mean that I'm going to excuse myself and say I can't be in relationships. You could. Some people do that. It might be a different belief, but they do that.
But you said, I really want to have a meaningful relationship. I really want to overcome this. That's part of me that I want to change. So you recognize that's called metacognition.
The fact that you can objectify your subjective self and observe yourself. That's consciousness, right? And when you're conscious, then that's when you're not unconscious and being unconscious of being in the program. So how many times do we have to forget until we stop forgetting and start remembering?
That's the moment of change. So you say, okay, that's uncomfortable. That must mean something and you actually went on a personal exploration. Do something with the insight, with the provocation, with the interest of actually wanting to change yourself in some way so that you create a greater experience of life, that there is love in life and that you can have a committed relationship and it can be different from your parents.
And now you know what you're not going to be, right? So I think all of that is valuable. I think every experience that we have in our life that programs us to be a certain way sooner or later, if we're interested in arriving at the goals and dreams that we want, we have to leave that behind. The sooner or later, a part of us must die.
As soon or later, we have to leave that. So I think that's evolution. That first is the first step in sight. But is this a sequential multi-step process to change?
I think insight is an aspect of awareness. So is awareness thinking? Yeah, so consciousness is awareness and awareness is paying attention and noticing. So I think that I think the first step is to become conscious that we're a certain way.
And sometimes it lands as an insight or a download or a life experience that just kind of goes, you go, whoa, so I behave this way or I did this thing. So I think when you don't have that, you don't have a conscience and you can just keep staying in that world. But sooner or later, you have to become aware. How do I increase my awareness?
By paying attention. Is there a practice or a system or a process? Yeah, yeah. But what we know is that the more you practice being present, the better you get at it.
And so how do you do that? If you sit in a meditation, right? And so there's a mode in the brain called default mode and it's just always busy. It's consuming enormous amounts of energy in the brain.
And it's always trying to predict the future based on what it knows in the past. It's kind of an anticipation machine. It's always trying to fill in a known in reality so we feel safe. So a default mode system in the brain, when you close your eyes on a meditation, is going to immediately go into overdrive.
It's going to say, oh, my back is a little bit out of thirsty. How long is this going to go? I really don't want to do this. I don't like the music.
You know, it's going to be too long. Oh, I'm starting to get a little frustrated. I want to lay down. You know, all this stuff comes up and then people have the belief and they say, I can't meditate.
That's their conclusion from the experience. That's their, I'm not a good meditative. That's their affirmation. That's their belief, right?
From that experience. But if you say to a person, listen, that's normal. But every time you catch yourself going unconscious, catch yourself going unconscious and become conscious, that's a victory. And as tedious as it may be in the beginning, the more you catch yourself going unconscious and becoming conscious, the more conscious you become in your life.
And all of a sudden you begin to pay attention to things that you weren't paying attention to before. So in the work that we do, we say that being in the present moment, truly in the present moment, is being comfortable in the unknown, right? The present moment is the unknown because there is the familiar past that we feel emotionally and we have the predictable future, which are both the knowns. Being the present moment is being the unknown and that goes against thousands of years of programming because our biology is programmed, that if we are truly in the unknown, we should be in survival.
Because if you're in survival and you're in the fight or flight system, the unknown is a threat. It's a danger. So always try to predict the future based on the past and you'll have better chances of survival. Predict the worst case scenario and be ready for that.
Anything less than happens, you have better chance of surviving. So then to rest in the unknown goes against a lot of our biology. And we discover that when a person keeps doing it over and over again, the body gets agitated, it gets frustrated, it gets impatient, instead of the person saying, I quit. Give them something to do and they can lower the volume to the emotion and settle the animal down, like training an animal, settling the body back down into the present moment.
We teach people how to do that and that's the victory. Giving them something to do. Yeah, they have something to do when that comes up. Which is, I'll get to it in a second.
And if they catch their mind going from a person to another person to another object to their cell phone to their computer to a place they need to be at the time and they catch themselves with their brain firing in modulated compartments. If they keep catching themselves doing that, if they keep doing that and they catch the circuit when it's firing and they settle it down, in time, sooner or later they're going to stop firing those circuits in the brain. And the brain waves begin to change from an agitated aroused state into a more coherent and slower brainwave state. So when they do this enough times, the brain begins to synchronize.
The brain begins to fire in greater levels of wholeness or greater levels of order. So when that occurs then, the nervous system gets very regulated, gets very orderly. The autonomic nervous system moves into a state of regulation. This regulation of the autonomic nervous system is called stress, right?
So to answer your question, when people do this really well, in just a few days they'll get really good at it. The side effect of that is they get very relaxed in their heart. It's relaxed in the heart and it's awake in the brain. And the more relaxed you get in your heart, we've discovered really relaxing in your heart, the more the heart informs the brain to get creative.
And so now the person has this kind of synchronization that's taking place between their heart and their brain as well. And they can rest in the present moment. So the way you do that is you define what it really means to change. And to change is to be greater than the conditions in your environment.
To be able to think, act, and feel differently in your same environment. That's what changes. To change is to be greater than your body. To be greater than its drives in a meditation I'm speaking specifically.
Greater than its emotional responses, its memories, its emotional reactions, greater than its habits. The habit is when you've done something so many times the body knows how to do it better than the conscious mind. So if you're sitting in a meditation your body wants to get up and wants to get going, and you've got people to see things that do that. That's kind of automatic, right?
People get up and they say, I can't meditate. But if you tell them that when you notice that you bring your body back into the present moment you settle it down and tell it it's no longer the mind that you're the mind. You're training the animal sooner or later the body literally responds to a new mind. And there's literally a liberation of energy.
The body begins to liberate energy. And if the person's not thinking about time, if you're not thinking about where you need to be, where you need to go, where you're yesterday, where you're sitting, where you live, if you're not thinking about any place you can go from somewhere to nowhere. And if you're not thinking about the predictable future or the familiar past, you can go from some time to no time and we discovered. When a person becomes nobody, no one, no thing, nowhere, no time, they literally become pure consciousness.
And opening our awareness, I know this is kind of difficult to explain because we're materialists, opening our awareness to nothing. And sensing space tends to cause us to move more into the eternal present moment. And there's a change that takes place in the brain. So we teach that.
And what awareness comes out of that state? So if I'm looking to change my life because I'm continually performing habits that are not optimal, I want to be married and have a family and I want to be productive in my work and I want to go to the gym and et cetera. My life is just in this horrible cycle of the same old, same old, same old. And I feel shit about myself.
I know what I say I want, but I feel shit about myself. What's going to emerge from that process of deep meditation in terms of awareness? You'll be become so conscious of those unconscious habits that more than likely you won't want to do them again. And that's what for the most part changes about.
So I think people wait for crisis. You know, they wait for disease, they wait for a betrayal, something to go wrong in their life. And that's when they go, okay, I'm ready to change. My message is why wait, dude?
Like, why wait for that? We can learn and change and say pain and suffering. We can learn and change and say of joint inspiration. So then you get a collective group of people together that really may have all those bad habits.
They may even have bad habits that they don't even know they have. And then all of a sudden they become aware that they've been blaming and complaining and making excuses and feeling sorry for themselves and procrastinating. And they start to reason if my personality creates my personal reality. If I'm going to create a new personal reality, I got to change my personality.
Because this guy, that's this, isn't the guy that wants to be happy. This is the guy who's committed to being unhappy. Okay. Let's break it down.
Let's get down the fundamentals. And now we give them a roadmap of their thoughts, behaviors, and emotions that they have lived by. Is that true? Yeah, you could say that step two is becoming conscious of your unconscious self and then becoming conscious of a new self, reinventing a new self.
And so the person who's feeling really bad about themselves because they're not doing anything to change, it's just because when you're not changing, you're still choosing. But what you're choosing is something that makes you feel familiar and comfortable. Because the moment you decide to change, truly get serious about change, the moment you decide to make a different choice and do something differently, you are going to feel uncomfortable. It's going to be immediate.
And that's the moment you go from the known into the unknown. Now, if the body has been emotionally conditioned to be the mind like we talked about earlier, the servant is the master. And so the person steps out into the unknown and it feels uncomfortable. What does the body going to say?
Get back to suffering. Get back to feeling bad. Get back to feeling guilty. At least that's familiar.
That's known. So tell a person there's going to be a biological death of the old self, neurologically, chemically, harmonically, genetically, that there's going to die. And just know that that's going to happen. But instead of white knuckling across the river of change, we're going to give you something to do because that unknown place is the perfect place to create.
And so let's get you into the unknown. But let's get you there where you're relaxed and awake. You're not escaping. And if you do that really well, you'll be in a creative state.
So you actually will be out of survival and you'll be able to create because you could only be in survival or creation. It can't be both. So let's get your body physiologically back in the balance. Let's get it there.
Now, who do you want to be? What do you want to believe? Let's review that. What's a belief?
I thought you keep thinking over and over in your brain. Keep remembering to think this way, in your meditation. How am I going to be with my ex or my boss? Let me close my eyes and think about what greatness looks like, what forgiveness would do, what love would do.
Let me just close my eyes and mentally rehearse how I'm going to be in that circumstance. I'm going to keep remembering to do these things so I don't forget. Keep doing it over and over again. You're starting to stall the hardware.
Repeat it enough times. It gets like a software program. You start behaving that way automatically. And then my goodness, is it possible to teach our body emotionally how we do want to feel before it happens.
And then just don't wait for your wealth to feel abundant or your success to feel empowered or your healing to feel wholeness. That's waiting for something in your outer world to change, take away the emptiness or lack that you're feeling in your inner world. Teach your body emotionally what it feels like. Ahead of the actual experience and the moments you start feeling abundant, you're generating wealth, the moments you can embody, empowerment, you're stepping towards your success.
The moments you feel grateful and whole, healing begins. So now you're starting to cause an effect in your life. So have a person keep remembering to feel that way and have them practice. Sooner or later they'll start feeling that way more.
And the more they feel that way, the more they believe in their future. And some people get so good at doing it that they walk around feeling that emotion, they feel like their future has already happened. And when you feel like their future has already happened, you stop looking for it. And that's when the magic starts to take place in people's lives.
Synchronicity, the coincidence is the opportunities. They start coming to them in their life. And that's the reflection of their own personal change. I've seen thousands and thousands and thousands of testimonials of people saying, Jo and it's been the change in my life.
I mean, I've got one at home, right? When a testimonial that I live with. I'm sorry. No, no, honestly, I love it because she's probably back there somewhere.
But she's so passionate and inquisitive and curious that I almost vicariously am benefiting from the work and research she's doing. And she's bringing things into our relationship in life that I'm making it more rich and full. And I have a certain perspective which I wouldn't naturally go into that world. And even with breath-working, the other things that she's brought into our relationship.
I wouldn't have naturally gone there. So it's super useful. But there must be instances where you've met someone and you've tried to help them and you've been unsuccessful. Of course.
And why don't those people change? Because I'm assuming that you think most people can change. They have the propensity to change. Why does it not work sometimes?
And scientists ask me this thing. We talk about this all the time. Sometimes being in such severe lack of desperation, desperation creates a state where you can't hear anything because you're, you don't, you know, no new information can enter the nervous system that is not equal to the emotion the person is experiencing. As an existence of broad understanding, this is why we don't do questions in our events.
And because you can give the person the answer to the question that they're asking you and they will not hear you. They will not hear you. In fact, they will argue against you. But if you get that person out of that emotional state, and the only person that's going to do that is them, by the way, get that person out of their emotional state.
They can hear that information. So sometimes we're programmed into such lack of a program to wait for something out there to change, to take away the simplyness or lack. You know, when this happens, I'll feel this, you know, and so when things are good and are like we feel good and when things aren't so good in our life, we feel bad. So we're kind of victimized to the circumstances in our life.
It's our outer world is controlling our inner world of thoughts and feelings. So if a person has been programmed into saying, I, I, I, I, I, I, I, why haven't I healed? Or why hasn't this happened in my life? Because the person who's saying why haven't I healed is the old self.
The new self would never say that, right? The new self is too busy overcoming and becoming, right? So I think people meet information at their own level. But what I can tell you that is so compelling and so exciting is that when we get people on the stage and it happens every event, it's, it's really quite unbelievable to see a person stand on the stage in front of 2300 people.
You would walk right past her in the grocery store. She doesn't look vegan. She doesn't look ketogenic. She doesn't look particularly fit or young or dressed well, you know, whatever that is.
She just looks like a normal person and they stand on the stage and they tell their story of how they were diagnosed with cancer or whatever the condition is and what they did in their life to change those health conditions. And there's numerous health conditions. And I look out in the audience and I look at people. There is no soul in the audience that isn't leaning in.
Everybody is leaning in because there's the example of truth on the stage and there's nothing like a good story, right? So the change that we're seeing in our community is that there's a greater acceptance, a greater belief, a greater understanding, a greater awareness to the idea that you could actually heal because people witness it. And the person in the audience who's seeing that person who healed themselves from whatever health condition it is relates to them. And they say, my God, if if that person can do it, I can do it as well.
And just like an infection spreads amongst the culture and creates disease, health and wellness can become as infectious as disease, right? And so we have, it's not uncommon. Like when that person stands on the stage and they're the four minute mile, if the person has Renard's syndrome, we've had events where four other people with Renard's syndrome healed at the end of the event, like no longer have any symptoms at all. Or we've had five people in one event step out of a wheelchair.
Now, if you asked me if I ever thought that was possible, I would say no. So I do think when a person sees that example of truth, their awareness of possibility begins to change. And the evidence then allows the person to increase their own belief in themselves and in possibility. Used to when I learned the well identity and I've been pondering over the last couple of weeks, whether identity is useful, because this is a really trivial example.
But I've told myself for a long time, I don't like running. And this Christmas, I decided that it's probably important for me to take on some of these limiting beliefs I have. So I just started running and in doing so and going through the pain of like, oh, my legs are whatever. I had this sort of realization that like one of the areas of my life, I just created a story that is closing in on me and making my life more narrow and in terms of how I think or like my health or whatever.
And so for the last couple of weeks, I've been thinking about this concept of identity, like what it is, why we create one and how harmful or positive it might be to all of us. Yeah. Well, look, I mean, I think we're all a work in progress, right? I think it's an uncovering process.
So I always tell people you can be anybody you want, you can be any character you want to be in three dimensional reality in this kind of virtual reality, you get to put on any character. But when it comes time to create, when it comes time to connect, you got to lay down that character, you got to lay down the identity, you got to lay down that person, right? And some people have become so idealized to their identity that they can't be anything else. And so I don't think the identity is bad.
I think as long as we're able to lay down when we create, it's important. And by the same means, if there are aspects of your personality or your identity that is undermining your life in some way, and this happens to so many people we see even when they're getting healings, their blood values get better and then they get back into their life and then the blood values go back up and then they get more healings and their blood values go down and then go back into their life. And sooner or later, this goes on four or five times, they say, is it me? Like, do I have something to do with this?
And the answer is always yes. If you want to take the sign, you can't take one bite, you can't actually eat the whole thing. So then what aspect of your identity then is limiting you? And what is that story that you're saying to reaffirm it, to be the truth?
And is it really the truth? And if it's not the truth, then you got to make a decision. And you got to make a decision with such firm intention to change that belief that the amplitude of that choice carries a level of energy that causes your body to respond to your mind, that the choice that you're making in that moment becomes a moment in time that you'll never forget. In other words, you have to say, I knew exactly where I was, what I was doing, what time of day it was when I made up my mind to change, right?
It becomes a long-term memory. And the stronger emotion, the stronger the emotion you feel when you make that choice, the more you remember the choice, right? And so you can't say, oh, well, I think I'm going to change this kind of part of my identity. Your body's going to say, he's lying.
Like, he's not serious. He's going to still make the same choice. When you say, this is it, I don't care how long it takes time. I don't care how I feel, body.
I don't care what people think of me or what's going on in my life environment. I'm going to change. And you come out of your resting state and you make that choice. You're giving your body a taste of the future emotionally.
That's what you're doing. And so people who make up their mind to change, they have to come out of their resting state. And they have to say that I'm doing this. And that is a strong signal in the field.
So does that mean that if I do want to change, I need that kind of escape velocity for my old self? The why, the reason must be abundantly clear and incredibly strong. So if I'm making a New Year's resolution, I'm not going to just say, listen, I want this New Year's resolution because I think people will think better of me if I have it. It's going to be so deep in my core and I've got to be so clear and be able to articulate the reason why this matters to me for it to stand a chance.
We call that a signing meaning. Like, so it's so important to assign meaning to the task or the act that we're engaging. And one of the best way to do that is to hold that vision or the dream of why you're doing it. I want to be healthier.
I want to be more fit. I want to be more wealthy. I want to be more free. I want to be more in love, whatever it is.
The only thing that's stopping you from being any of those things is just a part of your identity that has to change. So you get there and it's nothing's mystical about this. If you said I want to be wealthy, this is your goal. This is your vision.
And here you are in lack. The only way you're going to get wealthy is this person's going to have to change a lot to find that wealth, right? So there's nothing mystical about this. We've all done it at some point in our life where we just made up our mind.
And what did we do when we did it? We got very clear like, okay, let me remind myself what that vision is. I'm just going to remember, why am I doing this? Okay, so I'm going to have to make a different choice.
I'm going to write down those choices I have to make. I'm going to have to start doing different things. Okay, what am I going to do? Let me remind myself what I need to do.
Okay, why am I doing it? I'm doing it for this experience. Yeah, I know it might hurt my legs in the beginning or whatever it is. I know it may be a lot of time, but I'm going for this goal.
This is my goal. And the more we fascinate about that experience, the more we start feeling the emotion of that future. That's when your body, what we've discovered is beginning to biologically change because it's starting to feel the emotion of the future ahead of time, right? So that keeps the person on the journey.
Then we do something really great. We say, what thoughts do I want to stay away from? Like, I can't say, there's no way I'm going to say I can't feel like it. I mean, if you're truly committed to being healthy and you're going to exercise, you can never say, I'm too tired.
You can never say, I don't feel like it. That's going to cause you to not make the choice, right? So it's kind of this process where we're kind of doing that exact thing. We're actually looking at the old identity and we're reminding ourselves of who we want to become, right?
Until you become it. And we discovered it's the overcoming process that is the becoming process. When the person overcomes some belief, some behavior, some emotion. When they truly overcome it, they naturally become somebody else.
It's just a side effect. Their work in doing that makes them love themselves more. You also have a lot of case studies of, I've written a lot of them from Army veterans and people that have been through pretty horrific experiences in the Army. I was reading a story of Joshua who was an Army veteran who I believe came to one of your events and took part in your meditation and described it in his own words as his heart cracked wide open.
What happened with Joshua? Because that's an example of personal transformation. Well, we have a program right now in the veterans, Navy SEALs, Special Ops, simply because there's lots of stories like Joshua, where he was pretty much ready to give up on his life. And many of these veterans, they cope to the best of their ability, but in the back of their mind, they have an exit plan.
They have the drugs ready. They're thinking about taking their life, many of them think this way. And they've done so many different types of things to help themselves. And even a lot of them have done plant medicine and mushrooms and all kinds of things to help them.
But on some level, their PTSD wouldn't go away. And Joshua was a great example because he was at the very bottom of the point in his life where he was ready to give up. And the thing that I like to do with veterans is to reason with them. If you have a Navy SEAL, right?
And these are elite individuals. If I tell them exactly what will happen if they practice opening their heart, if I say to them, it's going to reset the baseline for trauma in the brain, they don't say, how do I do it? They say, yes, sir, I'm going to do it until it happens. And that's what happens to all of these guys.
There's so much trauma in their brain body. There's so much incoherence in their nervous system. There's so many physical problems that they're having. They're just really out of balance.
So if we work with these people and give them all the information and give them numerous opportunities to apply it, so many of them break through. And that's the moment the brain and body literally are no longer connected to the memory or the emotion that keeps them in the past. And they get recalibrated. And he was a drug addict and alcoholic, a victim of child abuse.
Yeah. Before and after Joshua. Dramatic. Yeah, traumatic.
Again, we interview a lot of these veterans. We interviewed this. He didn't know anything about meditation. This guy never meditated in his life.
He didn't know anything about me. He didn't even know where he was going. This is how blind the study was. And he got there.
And he was just like, there's no way. He was like, I'm going to hang out with all these people. He was really, you know, and you know, always on guard. And they asked him in front of the camera, like, my goodness, like, what happened?
And he got this guy that looks like a Navy SEAL. And he paused for like a minute. And he was got so emotional and he said, I got my life back. I got my life back.
I got my marriage is great again. I'm in love with my kids. I can feel again. I'm happy.
Like I'm not faking it. I really feel a change, you know. So that's how the vet program kind of grew, because the veteran program was just a few vets coming that were, again, injured in some way, physically or emotionally. And completely different at the end of the event.
They're going to go tell their tribe, like, right away, like, you got to do this. This really helped me. So we have a strong veteran community. And, you know, we have our one of our nonprofits, the Give2Give Foundation, that works with veterans and we create all kinds of programs for them to heal.
And we're super proud of the results we're getting. Some of it was been through so much in their life where an objective observer would say, it is warranted that they might be living in a state of victimhood. How important is it to forgive? I think it's really one of the fundamental things that keep us alive.
I mean, forgiveness to me is just overcoming the emotion. That's it. And like if you overcome the emotion, the side effect of that is that your heart will open. That's exactly what happens.
And when energy moves into the heart, we start releasing different chemicals. Then we feel angry or we feel victimized or we feel sexual. It's just a different chemical elixir. And in oxytocin is released.
In oxytocin, signals nitric oxide. And nitric oxide signals another chemical that causes the arteries in your heart to literally dilate. Heart gets filled with energy. It's engorged with blood.
When that occurs, the oxytocin levels that you're feeling, the love that you're feeling, the studies show that when oxytocin levels are just elevated a little bit. It's really hard to hold a bridge. You just can't, right? So if you're willing to forgive and you overcome the emotion, you'll take your attention off the person or the problem, right?
Because the stronger the emotion, we have, the more we pay attention to our problems or the person, right? Overcome the emotion. You no longer have your attention on that person. And in a sense, you're taking energy and you're calling it back to you, right?
So you're building your own field. And so love is the elixir that allows us to forgive. In other words, you can't say, I'm going to forgive you. It's January 31st or February 1st.
Remember this day, we got a thing I forgave you. So that's not like forgiveness. When people really have that feeling of pure love where they've actually gotten over the emotion, they've already forgiven. They're like, I'm totally cool.
I'm great. You grain. I'm great. Like so it's a side effect of a change because if the stronger the emotion, we feel the more we pay attention to that person where we place our attention, where we place our energy, okay?
Overcome the emotion. You no longer have your attention on that person. You're calling energy back to you and you're building your own field. And there's energy now to heal.
There's energy now to create. There's energy now for the mystical experience. And so you can't do that if you're feeling frustrated or if you're feeling anger, if you're feeling resentment, you'll always hold the grudge. You have to convert.
You have to teach a person how to get into that elevated state. And the side effect of that is forgiveness. It's not something that you have to do. It's just something that automatically happens.
When we think about forgiving people that have wronged us, our dad, when we were younger, that person at work, the boss that fired us, or even something that happened that significantly worse, it almost feels like a justification or an acceptance of what happened to us, which makes it feel like there's an injustice in the world. Like if I forgive that person, I'm letting them off. Yeah. Do you think we should always forgive everybody in all circumstances?
Yeah, I think so. I mean, because I mean, you free yourself. The only way you're going to free yourself from that person, or from that past experience, is for you to literally overcome the emotion. So God, we've all had people do really horrible things, and we've probably done some horrible things to people as well.
But I don't think you can free yourself or free them unless you decide that love is going to be the thing that heals it. And God, so many people do it in our work. And the side effect of it is that they have wonderful effects in their lives, many times just healing. There is a chronic stress in society that seems to be going in one direction, seems to be going up and up.
I was wondering if that ties into subjective burdens we're carrying from our past that are keeping us elevated in ways that are suboptable. Yeah, well, I got it. I mean, what a crazy time to be alive right now. I mean, there are so many things happening in such a short amount of time.
I mean, it's almost overwhelming every day there's something happening. And so living in stress is living in survival. The problem with the stress hormones is that the arousal that's created from the stress hormones causes us to move into these higher brainwave states called the beta brainwave states where arousal causes us to pay attention, primarily to all the things in our outer world. The arousal causes us to put our attention on our body.
It causes us to obsess and think about time. And so people get stuck in these high brainwave states. And I think the big challenge is if you understand that stress is when you're knocked out of homeostasis, when your brain and body are knocked out of balance, then your response or your reaction to people or circumstances in your life that you're chronically feeling on a regular basis is actually weakening the organism. Because when you turn on that emergency system, the fight or flight nervous system, because of the harm and stress, and you move your body out of balance, and it has no time to recover and turn back to balance.
Now you're headed for disease because no organism can live in emergency mode for that extended period of time. The arousal creates a rush of energy and people become addicted to the stress hormones. So they become addicted to those emotions. And so that now they need the people and the conditions and the circumstances in their life to reaffirm their addiction to the emotion.
They need a bad job. They need the bad relationship. They need the traffic. They need the news just so that they can stay in that emotional state.
So then 75% to 90% of every person that walks into a health care facility in the western world walks in because emotional or psychological stress, that's the number one thing. So our emotional response to the conditions in our life then becomes the important element. So people think, oh my god, when I'm emotional, I can't control my emotions and turns out you can regulate. It turns out you can shorten the response period from emotions and it takes practice.
You could have the most ketogenic, vegan, organic, peptide, whatever, intermittent fasting, diet, and you could do yoga and you can do cardio and you can do HIIT training and foundation training and whatever. Get massage, acupuncture, but if you're an emotional wreck and if there's three types of stress, physical, chemical, emotional, then there's three types of balance, physical, chemical, emotional. If you got your body in physical balance and chemical balance and you're not putting it in emotional balance, these will never stay. So then the important part, important element then is teaching people how to shorten the refractory period of their emotional responses and catch themselves when they're feeling those emotions and change it and not rely on anything outside of them to do it a video game or a drug or whatever people do, teaching that they have the tools to do it themselves.
And if they understand that they're addicted to those emotions, I've seen this thousands of times. There's always an aha moment like, I'm addicted to anger, but really? Oh my God. Maybe I am.
Now the moment you recognize that, oh my God, I'm using that person to reaffirm my addiction to anger. Oh my God. I don't want to feel anger. Okay.
Well, an addiction is something that you think you can't stop. An addiction is doing something that you know isn't good for you and you're doing it anyway. Right. So these emotions are addictive then.
I'm going to probably go through withdrawals. I've probably overdosed a few times. I've probably had a couple bad trips. Okay.
So let me get really clear. How am I going to change this? So if the change is to be greater than your body, your environment and time. And when you live in stress and you live in survival, all your attention is on your body, your environment and time.
It means when we're living in stress, it's really hard to change, because it's not a time to change. It's time to run, fight and hide. Right. So teaching people how to break those emotional addictions is the side effect of that is called joy.
A person is no longer tormenting their body and keeping it out of balance. And many people who heal in this work, they don't say, oh, I'm going to heal this health condition. They'll say, the first thing I'm going to do, and this is the majority of them, is I'm going to work on getting my body back into homeostasis. Like I'm going to work on regulating my emotional states.
I'm not going to react in this way. I'm not going to respond this way. That's the work right there. And it's breaking those emotional addictions so that we can move out of survival.
And then survival, it's not a time to create. And survival, it's not a time to meditate. It's not a time to close your eyes and go within, you'd be eaten. It's not a time to be vulnerable.
It's not a time to open your heart. Right. And yet we got to work with our bodies and be able to recondition them to a new mind. And so a lot of the work that we do, especially during this time in history, where everybody's feeling the pressure, the environmental pressure of stress, is to give people the tools to be able to self-regulate.
And when I mean self-regulate, that means move from one emotional state to another emotional state. And it's not bad that we react. We all react. I react.
But the question is how long? Like how long are you going to react for? Because if you keep doing it for months or years, it ultimately becomes your personality, right? Yeah.
And it has a big impact on your immune system. I've noticed that when I'm in a state of prolonged reaction, negative reaction to something, it only takes a couple more days for me to get a flu or a cold or something. Because I don't get sick often. So I think I get sick kind of like an amount, maybe twice a year.
And so it's very easy. It's almost like a shock. And it's very easy for me to trace my steps and see what brought me here. So this happened.
My response was this. Eight days later, I felt my immune system go. Because I had to get sick so rarely, it's so unbelievably clear what happened to me. It is no like, oh, I touched something and then the germs got in my mouth and it's so clear in my life.
So that's kind of what I want to do is I want to stop that happening. Yeah. Well, look, how old are you? I'm 32.
32. My God, you're doing great. I mean, if you figure this out now, by the time you're 40, you'll have it mastered. So we did a study where we had people stop feeling survival emotions for three days and have them practice feeling elevated emotions, heart centered emotions.
We measured a chemical called IGA, immunoclebulin A. It's your body's natural flu shot. It's actually better than a flu shot. And so we measured people's IGA levels at the beginning of this time and we measured them at the end, at the end of three days, by trading those limited emotions for more elevated emotions, their IGA levels went up 50%.
So when you're feeling an elevated emotion, the body's so objective that it's believing it's living in a nurturing and loving environment. If the environment signals the gene in it does, and the end product of an experience in the environment is an emotion. That person is signaling genes ahead of the environment. And now the body's going to make globulins, which are proteins that are going to create more internal defense and less attention on external defense.
So you mean system then, which is the internal protection system begins to move back into order. Health is a huge focus to me in 2025. And I'm not just talking about eating, right? And exercising, I'm talking about my recovery too.
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Yeah, I try to avoid that word because I think it conjures up a lot of beliefs for people. I think I'd like to say if you can set aside a certain amount of time for yourself, just for yourself to be alone with yourself. And for me, my routine is to have two hours in the morning. That's just my time.
That's my time where I'm going to get my brain and body right. It's the time where I'm going to think about the things I have to do in the day and how I'm going to be in my day. Get that all clear and then I do my meditation. And my meditation is really for me to overcome myself and change and then create.