Dr. Kedar Mate on AI & Scaling Life-Saving Interventions Across the Globe

What does it take to cure drug-resistant tuberculosis in a Lima resource-limited community, help reshape global HIV treatment policy, and then pivot to harnessing enterprise AI for the world's largest health systems? Dr. Kedar Mate has done all three. As the former president and CEO of the Institute for Healthcare Improvement and a co-founder of Qualified Health, Dr. Mate has spent his career proving that the biology of a wealthy patient and a poor patient are identical—and that the systems surrounding them don't have to be so different. In this conversation with Dr. Rohan Ramakrishna, Dr. Mate traces his formative work with Paul Farmer and Partners in Health, the pooled purchasing strategy that slashed the cost of life-saving TB and HIV medicines by up to 90%, and his role in expanding the Triple Aim into the Quintuple Aim by adding workforce well-being and health equity. He also makes the case that AI represents the most transformational force in healthcare since the internet—and explains why getting governance right is the difference between a breakthrough and a disaster.New episodes are released every other week, wherever you get your podcasts. For more from Roon, visit: https://www.roon.com/Sign up for our substack: ⁠https://rohanramakrishna.substack.com/⁠Find us on Instagram and X: @roondoctorsIf you have a question, comment, or suggestion for a future guest, please email us: [email protected]:(00:00) Intro and guest overview (02:15) Meet Dr. Kedar Mate (04:00) Growing up between New Jersey and Mumbai (07:30) Brown University: a history thesis on Haitians and HIV (11:00) How Paul Farmer changed everything (15:30) Defining health equity in plain language (19:00) Partners in Health in Peru: treating MDR-TB (24:00) The pooled purchasing strategy that broke the price of TB drugs (29:30) Replicating the model for HIV: the birth of PEPFAR (33:00) What is PEPFAR, and why its funding cuts are catastrophic (37:00) Health equity success stories in the United States (41:00) The Iron Triangle: why quality, cost, and access were seen as enemies (44:00) Don Berwick and the Triple Aim (47:30) Adding workforce experience to make it the Quadruple Aim (50:00) Kedar adds health equity: the Quintuple Aim is born (53:30) Age-Friendly Health Systems: a Quintuple Aim in practice (57:00) Taking over IHI in the spring of COVID (61:00) What COVID taught us about collaborative learning at scale (64:30) There is no quality without equity (68:00) Targeted universalism: a framework for convincing skeptics (72:00) Why Kedar left IHI to co-found Qualified Health (75:30) AI as healthcare's hyperscaler (78:30) What Qualified Health is building for enterprise AI adoption (82:00) Lessons from the EHR era (84:30) Ethical AI and proportional risk governance (88:00) Quick hits: magic wands, mentors, and vaccines in Florida (92:00) Closing thoughts