Dr Kurt Campbell on the Aus-Indonesian spying row (ABC Radio National)

On 21 November, former US Assistant Secretary of State and the Lowy Institute’s inaugural Distinguished International Fellow, Dr Kurt Campbell talked about the Australian-Indonesian spying row on ABC Radio National's Breakfast Program. The fallout from the Indonesian phone tapping scandal continues, with Jakarta officially downgrading diplomatic relations with Australia. Yet, Dr Campbell said he believed Indonesia's response to the phone tapping scandal is expected, and can be resolved. (Audio courtesy of ABC Radio National)See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.