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Jan 23, 2021 54 min

Dr Shepherd Siegel

from Mantz and Mitchell

Gary and Suzanne bring back Dr. Shepherd Siegel for his third appearance to discuss examples of how societies make progress using 'disruptive play' - tricking power into performing acts of love.

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