Dustin Lehr -- Culture Change through Champions and Gamification

Dustin Lehr, Senior Director of Platform Security/Deputy CISO at Fivetran and Chief Solutions Officer at Katilyst Security, joins Robert and Chris to discuss security champions. Dustin explains the concept of security champions within the developer community, exploring the unique qualities and motivations behind developers becoming security advocates. He emphasizes the importance of fostering a security culture and leveraging gamification to engage developers effectively. They also cover the challenges of implementing security practices within the development process and how to justify the need for a champion program to engineering leadership. Dustin shares insights from his career transition from a developer to a cybersecurity professional, and he provides practical advice for organizations looking to enhance their security posture through community and culture-focused approaches.Connect with Dustin Lehr:→ Security Champion Success Guide→ KatilystMentioned in this episode:→ Security Champion Success Guide→ Katilyst→ Makersschedule→ Never Split The Difference Chris Vosstahl RazFollow the Application Security Podcast:➜ Home➜ X➜ LinkedIn➜ YouTube➜ Instagram➜ FacebookChapters:00:00 Meet Dustin Lehr: Culture Change through Champions and Gamification02:50 Yeah, and you were, uh, on a previous episode entitled Advocating06:29 I need you to tap back into your old development days09:05 Cause a lot of times developers say you're living in an11:56 Me think of, you guys ever seen the uh, Maker vs14:47 Yeah, it's it makes me think about like the rise of17:53 Can a developer become a champion with zero security knowledge20:08 Yeah, I was, I was smiling a little bit when you21:35 Does, um, what would a person who became a champion, where24:26 Yeah, I can say one of the, one of the biggest28:37 A little bit about, uh, on the, on the security side35:17 You hearing anything different40:07 Yeah, very cool. I've been, I've been following along. I've been42:45 Perfect. And then the final question is, what's your top book