E121: Kevin Kelly on What Makes Us Human in an AI World

In this episode of Upstream, we’re releasing Erik Torenberg’s interview from 2023 with Kevin Kelly, founding executive editor of Wired Magazine, discussing Kevin’s new advice book, the impact of gratitude, and how technology, especially AI, interacts with and shapes human existence and culture.—📰Be notified early when Turpentine's drops new publication: https://www.turpentine.co/exclusiveaccess 🙏Help shape our show by taking our quick listener survey at https://bit.ly/TurpentinePulse  —RECOMMENDED PODCASTS: 🎙️ Second OpinionJoin Christina Farr, Ash Zenooz and Luba Greenwood as they bring influential entrepreneurs, experts and investors into the ring for candid conversations at the frontlines of healthcare and digital health every week.Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/0A8NwQE976s32zdBbZw6bv Apple: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/second-opinion-with-christina-farr-ash-zenooz-md-luba/id1759267211 YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@SecondOpinionwithChristinaFarr—SPONSORS:☁️Oracle Cloud Infrastructure (OCI) is a single platform for your infrastructure, database, application development, and AI needs. OCI has four to eight times the bandwidth of other clouds and offers one consistent price. Oracle is offering to cut your cloud bill in half. See if your company qualifies at oracle.com/turpentine 🎯Say goodbye to the headaches of out-of-home advertising. AdQuick combines technology, OOH expertise, and data to enable efficient, seamless ad buying across the globe. Visit adquick.com to start reaching your customers in the real world.🕵️‍♂️Take your personal data back with Incogni! Use code UPSTREAM at the link below and get 60% off an annual plan: https://incogni.com/upstream 💥 Head to Squad to access global engineering without the headache and at a fraction of the cost: head to https://choosesquad.com/  and mention “Turpentine” to skip the waitlist.—LINKS:Kevin Kelly's book: Excellent Advice for Living: https://www.amazon.com/Excellent-Advice-Living-Wisdom-Earlier/dp/0593654528 —X / TWITTER:@kevin2kelly@eriktorenberg@turpentinemedia—HIGHLIGHTS FROM THE EPISODE: Kevin Kelly published an advice book featuring "telegraphic aphorisms" rather than stories, which better suits his style. Kevin believes gratitude unlocks all virtues by connecting us to others through recognizing what we've been given. Emotional responses work faster than logical thinking, which is why people remember how you made them feel more than what you said. Reflecting on what irritates you in others can provide valuable insight into understanding yourself. Humans are "opaque to themselves," lacking clear understanding of their own minds and motivations. Kevin disputes overpopulation concerns, warning instead about future population collapse. According to Kelly, the joy of having children compounds, and he's never met anyone who regretted having more children. Kevin views speciation of humans as more likely to come through genetic engineering than cyborg technology. Kevin dismisses rapid AI takeover fears as "comic book fantasy," arguing that intelligence alone doesn't guarantee dominance. The concept of "we've invented our humanity" refers to language, cooking, domestication, and other technologies that shaped human evolution. Kevin predicts AI will help us understand our own intelligence better, forcing us to reconsider concepts like creativity. Most effective systems combine mostly decentralized elements with small amounts of centralized control. Silicon Valley's contribution to culture includes "demoralizing failure" – reframing it as a necessary component of progress. Small, managed failures prevent catastrophic ones and should be viewed as learning experiences. Kelly embraces the concept of "fail forward" – treating failures as stepping stones rather than endpoints. Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.