EPISODE · Apr 6, 2026 · 59 MIN
E13 Julie Francis On Journey Mapping, Alignment, and Why Your Work Isn’t Landing
from Corporate Underpants · host Tamara Adlin
Julie Francis and I have been solving the same problem from two different angles for over 20 years. She does it through journey mapping. I do it through alignment personas. This week we finally compared notes—and discovered we’ve been circling the same uncomfortable truth: it’s not about better deliverables. It’s about better alignment. We get into why the map isn’t the point, what “there’s nothing new in here” actually means, why shared documents are not shared understanding (cake wrecks, anyone?), and what it looks like to do senior product work when your job is facilitation, not output.
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