Ed Sheeran

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Oh. Today we have what was really felt like a Hail Mary pass. Yes. We were gonna be in England and it kind of was like who would we want in England.

And I'll say the very first thing I says, I just really wish we could get Ed Sharon. The best. And by God we did. Not only did we get them.

I need people to know. I went through a third party to connect us. Sean Mendes. Thank you, Sean.

Thank you. Thank you. Their buddies. Their bros as Sean was saying in his interview, he's kind of a mentor for Sean.

So I had low expectations like, Hey, I hate asking you to ask this, but we asked him if he's interested. You had already been working on it. I don't want to make it really clear. You were already setting it up.

But the time frame wasn't going to work already there. And within 10 minutes of asking Sean, I get an email from Ed. We'll love to do your show when you give me an England. You should eat here.

If you need some help getting in this restaurant, let me know. And I was like, could this be real? This guy? Kind of person.

I'm telling you, I just adored him. I loved your conversation. And again, someone I didn't really realize the full scope of how incredibly successful he is. So Ed Sharon is a four time Grammy award wing singer, songwriter and record producer.

He is also one of the standouts in Game of Thrones. That's right. That'll be a topic. And it should be noted, we recorded this in the upstairs of his pub.

Yes. He has a adorable pub called Birdie Blossoms. Yes. So we did this at his bar, Birdie Blossoms, which was so fun.

And then the wife of his manager is incredible. She made while we were doing this interview a 12 course meal feast short rib lasagna. I mean, it was unbelievable. From scratch.

Yes. I've thought about that lasagna like six or seven times since we've left London. How could you not? The whole experience was fantastic.

But of course he was there to talk about his new album, Equals. And on Ed's new album, Equals, he seamlessly captures both the intimate and everyday and is the fourth installment of his symbol album series. And we love talking to him. He specializes in real talk as loosely.

I love that. Makes no sense. Please enjoy Ed Sharon. And Ed, thank you, brother, if you happen to listen to this.

Enjoy. He's an alternative. I came in the music industry and a lot of the people that I had picked up guitar because of. I met Eric Clapton.

He was lovely. I met David Rice and he was lovely. But there was some people in the British music industry that were just real dicks to me. Like real dicks and really wanted me to fail.

And one of them, I remember I was at the Brit Awards and I won my first award. And I was with my dad and we were like, yeah, we won. And he sat down and was like, I don't think music's any good. But if you work with me, it could be a lot better.

Why can't you just say congratulations? Or even at least try not to be manipulative. Just tell me you'd love to work with me. And that's flattering.

You don't have to show me. Yeah. Knowing that coming through the industry, all I wanted was the people that I'd come through learning their songs just to even just be like, he's working hard. When Sean came through, I tried to sign him originally.

A friend of mine was like, check out this coach. He picked up guitar because of you. His first song he learned was A-Team. So when he was coming through, I knowing that so many people would make me feel like shit.

I was like, do you know what? Whatever the scenario, even if he becomes bigger than me, more successful, I just want to be there for him. I just want to be, I wouldn't even say I'm a mentor because I'm not where he isn't at the same level as me in my career. We are a bit older than him.

Yeah. But we are peers. I'm not like, hey, what you should do is this. It's a very healthy way of doing it.

Whenever there's a new artist that comes through, especially if they're a boy with a guitar, especially because that's usually who I'm pitted against. It's the new so-and-so and they're coming through. I just make sure the moment that I hear the song, I message him and go, hey, I love this tune. And then you start a relationship with this person and then you end up rooting for them.

And I kind of learned it from from Elton John. I was just going to suggest that's what he's famous for, right? Yeah. And he will forever be the guy.

Yeah. And the guys that shassed on me when I came through, I bumped into one of them at a TV show the other week. And I was just like, now I'm on the same level as you. You were the guy and you were a bit of a dick.

And now there's nothing that you can do to change the way I feel about you. Yeah. I saw you when it counted before I was worth caring about. Yeah.

But Elton just does that. And I think now, he's currently sitting at number two in the UK, actually 74. He's still on radio and people still loving it. And because he's not bitter and he's not trying to take people down, he's not like, oh, this person's getting more successful than I am and I'm going to tear him down.

I think that's a good way to be. So on the Sean thing, our relationship started like that, just me being like, hey, just reach out if you need any advice. Can I ask a logistical question? Yeah.

How do you get everyone's number? I have their email. You hear Sean, he was inspired by you and you're like, you know what? I'm going to be a good guy and reach out to him.

Well, the guy that played me him first, he was like, you should try and sign him. So that was how I originally got to know him. But he was like 15 at this point. Like he was, he was young.

I flew him out to Los Angeles, took him and his mum for dinner. Yeah. There's no one you can't get in contact with. There's always six degrees of separation.

We just had a guess on that. I said, there's a strata in Hollywood where somehow they get everyone's number. Like I'm not at that strata, but I'll get a text every now and then from you or one time I was laying in bed in my phone rang. I don't know why I answered.

I didn't recognize the number. I didn't know her. Pick it up. Hello.

Hi, it's Alan DeGeneres. And I just, how did she get my number? But someone has the master file or something. Well, I mean, usually Elton's the guy.

Yeah. I wanted to meet David Hockney as an artist that I loved since I was a kid. I was sort of born near the town where he grew up in and I spent my youth going to galleries and seeing his stuff. So it got to a point where I was in Los Angeles a lot and he lived there.

I was like, who do I know that could know David Hockney? And I was like, I'm sure Elton probably got, and yeah, he ended up getting to meet him through Elton because he does his eight foundation gigs and because he's obviously been in industry for 50 years. Yeah, but I think mostly the eight foundation gigs because everyone's played them and everyone goes to them and did the Diamonds' Yarrable and all that stuff. So he's plugged in with everybody.

Personal connection, yeah. It was BJ Noback. Oh, well, it was BJ. Yeah, because he was talking about Mindy and how Beyoncé sent Mindy all these flowers.

Right. And you're like, I'll be on to just get your address. Yeah, I just got some flowers. Oh, it was Beyoncé sending out a bunch of flowers.

Do you know it was because of the video for Vogue. And I think Mindy did something for Vogue. Oh, yeah. It was in the portrait video, yeah.

But yeah, my wife texted me the other day because I've done some of the other things. But like every now and then there'll be stuff that turns off my wife's text me and he's like, who's beat? I'm like, I think. Wait, this is probably supposed to come out way later in the show, but we're on Beyoncé and I have to ask like, are you able to be present when you're on stage with Beyoncé knowing like, oh, I'm on a song with Beyoncé.

I'm next to her. We're equals right now. Like, can you process that? You know, I'd say more so in the rehearsals is when it's like, oh my god, this is like, but I think when you're on stage with any one of that ilk, you have to just be in the zone and bring your A game because then you don't get to do it again.

Is there a version of yourself that exists on stage? Oh, yeah. That's where ego comes out. Right.

So the version of you on stage probably can hang with Beyoncé all day long. Well, no, there's still an element of like, she's very, very talented. She's most powerful performer. And she, yeah, she's easily the best performer that I've been on stage easily.

But I think this is where people get the ego conversation because I think you do need an ego to walk out on any stage to be like, in your heads, I've got this. Yeah. And you go out on stage and you look at the crowd and you go, you know what, you're going to be entertained. And then when you step off stage, you switch it off.

And if you don't switch it off, that's where you, yes, I think in those scenarios, like the first time I performed with her was for a Stevie Wonder tribute concert. And I was nervous. And I think that I'm good enough to be on stage with her. So yeah, you kind of walk on with a certain level of like, I got this.

Yeah. I really liked what I'm Sean in his interview, which was his ego is with him as he's walking out on stage. His ego is like, first it's insecurity, like, do I deserve all these people to have paid to come see? Am I good enough for that?

And then psyching oneself up and feeling yourself with like, fuck yeah, I am a lion bubble. And he says, every time he gets out there, his first note is so off because that's all he's thinking about as his ego. He said, and then once I do the thing I do, I'd like to play guitar and sing. Everything just falls away.

And now it's just the thing I like to do. Yeah. And I think that's the thing that I like to do is especially it's good to remind yourself that people there are there to see you. Yeah.

So like at any point in the show, even if I'm like, what do I do next? I'm like, play something, no, then everything's good again. It goes a weird thing though. It's a weird thing because it's something that is kind of an ugly word.

Exactly. But I think ego should actually just be confidence. Well, I think it's like every single thing in the world, it's like it's got a great side and it's got an evil side and you've got to really try to figure out a mitigate the downside and profit on the good side. Well, I think it's used at the right moment to be self assured that the thing that you're doing is good and worth it, but never use it to put anyone else down.

So as I was learning about you over the last few days, the thing I'm really envious of of you is so I was with a girl for nine years, Bree, lover to death, and she was along for the whole ride like show up in LA, 10 years of auditioning, never getting a goddamn thing. We were together for two years while I was kind of succeeding and then to work out for all these different reasons. And I was heartbroken with the notion that I'm going to potentially spend my life with someone that didn't know me before. Like when I learned that you're with your high school sweetheart, I'm so in a weird way jealous of that.

Yeah. But I think I wouldn't be unless I like a day to go between and I feel that I learned a lot about dating and I think had a day to Jerry from the age of a disaster. Yeah. Yeah.

Because I did have a high school girlfriend who's the first albums about weirdly, we're all still friends and we go and holiday to get this all very, oh my gosh, it's all very 2020. But yeah, I think the same thing, man, I was with her for four years, my first girlfriend. And then I think with Chez, it wasn't planned. It wasn't planned.

She was someone that, she was a friend. She was really close friends. She was in a friendship group. She got a scholarship to an American university and I went on tour.

So we just lost touch. She went to Duke and played to Phil Hockey there. And then I got lonely on tour really lonely because it was just me on stage and I took my best friend Lauren on tour with me. And so we just hung out.

And then one day she was in New York and she went to go and hang out with Jerry because Jerry worked on Wall Street and then she was like, oh, Jerry, see one's in town. Do you want to hang out? It's like, yes. And in my head, the last time I'd seen Jerry, we'd hooked up.

So in my head, I was like, oh, what if she remembers that? Because it was like a while ago. Yeah. And she did.

Like very innocent. Sure, sure, sure. We would call it like three minutes in a closet, kind of the states. Yeah.

Or spend the bottles. Sure. Like just a gentle hookup. Yeah, very.

It was a kiss. Yeah. On the road that you're on. You develop a professional kind of confidence and maybe you don't have in real life.

And is there some kind of like comfort in knowing, like, oh, yeah, this girl's known me from the get kind of. But so we live in the town that we grew up in. Yeah. And her parents live 10 minutes from me and my parents live like two minutes from me and her best friends in the entire world live 15 minutes from us.

They've just had a baby as well. And it's all like very wholesome, but I feel like I am the me that I was when I grew up when I'm there. And then when I come to London, it's like you have this switch that is I describe it like putting on Spider-Man's outfit because you're the only income this person that no one recognizes when you go back because everyone in my hometown is people that I grew up with, the people that work at the pub went to my school, the people that work cafe went to my school, the people that work at the supermarket, like I know everyone. So I'm pretty invisible there.

Whereas when I come to London, it's like everyone. Yeah. So I think because we live there, it's normal. And we just don't go to stuff.

We don't like my nightmare would be having to go to an event where other celebrities would be that. Yeah. So we dip in and out. And if we meet someone we really like, we say, do you want to come to stuff that can make the journey.

And so, you know, Taylor's been down there. She and Cheri are great. Great friends. Yeah, I presume we'll be in the show.

I was going to say come do it down there because I'm actually meant to be there. I was meant to go last night, but I stayed to do. So I was going to suggest come there. I didn't know whether it was a film thing and I don't know anyone from my house.

Yeah. I read your house in your GQ interview as being described as like a Neverland. Your version of Neverland. Well, hopefully not.

Tell me what you're saying. Well, I didn't say the activities are the same, but yeah, can you tell us without exposing too much personal time? I mean, people in England planning permission is made public. So if I want to do anything, it's in the paper.

So I bought a house in 2012 and then it was just made it to be honest. I was like 21. Literally just had mattresses on the floor at TV without a stand. Like it was like a it was a bro.

And I had six mates that just lived there. I mean, it was pretty gross actually because it was just a takeaways. And then, you know, I just built out. So I played Holly Branson, Richard Branson's daughter's wedding in 2011.

And that is what gave me the inspiration for the houses. I was on this by the island in BBIs. And he said every time he had a hit with Virgin Records, he'd build a little bit more and do a little bit more and do a little bit more. And so I was like, all right, I could get a place and then every time I do a tour or have a successful album, I'll just do something else that I want to do.

So the first thing that I did was I built a tree house that I put music studio in the next thing I did was get a small cottage next door. So I could have friends stay. The next thing I did was I think a pool and then I planted 14,000 trees and put a lake in the middle of the boat. Just like just like thousand trees.

I really want to see. Yeah. And you're a part, right? You're part of it.

I had like the laparated barn that I couldn't knock down because it was it had a one beam of wood in it that was from the 1300s. Oh, wow. This is England. But yeah, yeah, yeah.

So it had one beam of wood. So I couldn't do anything. So I put in planning permission to turn it into a barn. And I was like, I don't need more space, but I would really, really love a place to go and drink that is close space.

Yeah. I built this pub. It cuts down on any kind of driving wall intoxicated. Yeah, yeah.

And also, you know, there's a total separation from the house now, which is good because now I've got a daughter. My house is kind of sacred zone. I don't really let people in. So it's a place where I can like, if we were to do the interview, we would have done it in there.

And also, if I have mates around and I want to go to bed at midnight because I'm getting up at work every time with my daughter, just leaving them in there. Yeah. It's fine. Like they kind of take care of themselves.

And yeah, there's no noise in waking lower up. So it's great. There's like four beers on tap. What beers are on tap over there?

And alcoholic, I'm interested in this. So the one I drink the most is a local one made by my mates, dad's called El Serbrui. It's like the local pub, if I was to go to the pub with someone, that's the his pub. And then he makes a beer for that pub.

So he makes a one for mine, which is the same Guinness. Okay. Got Aspls cider, which is local as well. And neck oil.

Do you drink beanish ever? No. Never. Have you had it?

No, I don't think so. I like PBR when I come to America. Oh, it's beautiful. It's a paps-blue ribbon.

It's a staple. Very trusted. And they support the Bull Riding Association. You know, without them, I don't know.

I'm a cook and I love beer. I love fucking love beer. I love Guinness. I remember going with my dad to Ireland.

And my mind, I was like, I'm going to drink Guinness the entire time. But at some point I tried a beanish and then I just... Oh, wow. It's like a malt or something.

Oh my god, is it delicious? I really recommended it. Yeah, there's different areas that different regions in Ireland that basically just happened there. Yeah.

I think I looked for it when I got home because I really developed a taste for it, but it didn't work out. I have a question about the strategy of that you adopted from Branson, which is have a little success, build something and then just over time it turns into something. But as part of that, like do you have to trick yourself? I certainly trick myself into, I have to couple my hard work with some reward.

Yeah. And you end up playing a mental game because I could just do everything I wanted. But I know that that'll lead to unhappiness. Also, you don't value the thing that...

Absolutely. If you get it all... yes. In some degree, I've done that.

You know where I'm like, I've got all the shit. I still don't like myself. Whatever. I know why did this work out?

But do you have a methodology by which you kind of reward yourself, work hard, reward? Do you pepper it out? Yeah, I guess so. And it's with memories rather than...

because I did that as well. Why don't I like myself? Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's memories.

And I think if I do something, I'll have a bottle of wine that I want to try. And I don't want to be frivolous and just buy a nice bottle of wine and then just drink it on a Thursday night kind of thing. So I have a bottle of wine that I want to try. Something gets achieved.

I'll get the wine. I'll decant it for exactly the right time. I'll go for dinner with my wife somewhere and we'll have that. And then on the bottle we write, this is what happens at this dinner.

This is the day. This is the restaurant we did it. I'll write my name and she writes my name. And then I have a shelf at home which has all of them.

So all my achievements are now just sign bottles of wine. Oh, I like that. I was so cute. I should do that.

I'm a friend that passed away in March. Did it? Australian. Yeah, Michael.

And he just his whole house is covered in these bottles and you would go and you'd be like, this is the night with Springsteen and this is the night with Frank Sinatra or whatever. And all these signed bottles that he had. And I thought that was a wonderful idea. And I'm so glad that I adopted it because I started with him.

So I've got 30 bottles at home with nights that we had that I could look at and be like, oh, remember this? Remember this? Remember this? So yeah, it's a good thing to do.

For me, it is still materialistic. It's a one special. You know, it has some value that you wouldn't just normally. Yeah.

Oh, like research the wine properly. Wines that they don't sell people because I think you're gonna buy them and then hold on to them as investment and sell them. So, a lot of the time I have to send a picture of the cook. Oh, wow.

To be like, look, I have actually, to prevent a lot of them in the corner of the market. Yeah, yeah, just to Stoneman. I'm jealous. Yeah.

She's a wine addict. I love, I love wine. But also, that's such a beautiful way of keeping gratitude. Because then you can just look at all these bottles and be like, also, it's not, like if you've had a nice bottle, I always find it so mad someone has a nice bottle and then the bottle is struck out.

The bottle's like so beautiful. Yeah. So true. You're gonna get exactly out of it what you put into it.

There's no shortcut There's no like I can buy this thing and I'll get it's the work It's the presence is the thing and so when you put a bunch of effort into something that this the rewards bigger even if it's like Researching it and then decanting it correctly like the whole thing I love the whole process. Yeah, and like for my daughter's birth because cherry she's breastfeeding so she could have like a tiny One but they do tiny tiny bottles of wine say they then on the shelf you have this tiny bottle So my whole house is basically covered in One funny thing about that wine story which I really like is his friend was coming from Australia He was gonna stay at their house for a couple weeks and he thought oh, you know I gotta be prepared so I'm gonna get him the bottles of wine he drinks and he drinks like two or three bottles of wine So I'm gonna need whatever it was 45 Because he drink he drank it like like it was water and he drank it out of paper cups like just like coffee coffee Not eventizing it yeah, no, it was just like his thing He would just always have a bottle of penfolds 707 and so I was kind of like he was staying with me for like a week So I'm gonna get a lot. I think I've got third no more than basic I read 40 but whatever it was enough that we didn't get through it and then Two years later when he passed away, I drunk the last seven bottles with my dad over that week But I assumed they were like twenty dollars because he drunk them like they were twenty dollars They're 400 dollar bottles of wine 40 times 400 pounds is like 16 Actually when he passed away they sent me a bunch I actually have to thank them. I mean I thank them privately But probably they sent me like 100 bottles that I now just have in my cello in any time I think about him I go down and get one and I Wait, it's called pen fold 70707.

Yeah, try it by one They do they have a California one now and they're like they have like entry level wine Which would be like I think it's I think it's like $15 but then their high high end one is like $700 Okay, I want to go to back to identity for one second So when you did heart ones which by the way great job, I love it run home I'm right into a few seconds. Yeah, what one shouldn't be the show where you eat hot chicken and your interview It should be the documentary of the day afterwards. Oh I had to fly to Greece My pea burn Cold sweat, I mean it was Like this should be the documentary you should then have a film crew But you've done it right well, I'm gonna break do you I'm kind of a legend on the show because I asked for more wings And I did more of the hottest just to kind of really you know Did you test his though because I swapped with his and then he started struggling his was still spicy Here's what I've watched it before he doesn't really struggling. He was struggling the day I Gotta put in the middle poor thing has to do this every day I keep it like how is this inside?

Swiss cheese Swiss cheese Swiss cheese. It's a mess in there. It's like a fucking colander is a lower GI So you're known as the guy that asked him. I'm kind of a legendary Yeah, yeah, but what I wanted to say and also the most unique experience I had hot food where it's burning my lips on the way in and then on the exhaust of course the next day It's burning that but fucking something I could feel those wings move through my entire intestine Like oh that home meals on this side now.

It's literally burning your insides as it's traveling. I like spice Yeah, I like spice, but like that the bomb one. It's just not pleasant. It's just doesn't taste of anything.

It's a main product Yeah, it's aggressive. It's mean I don't see the point. What's the value? No one can enjoy that You talked about the Eric Clapton history, which I find really cool.

He loves Eric Clapton. He's this guy He's wouldn't courage him to start playing the guitar and at some point Eric gave him a guitar the studio burnt down Then it had to get refurbished for a year and now it's still it's in existence and it's still got his signature on the back It smells like a barbecue sausage probably from Texas smoked Yeah, it smells great. It smells really good But you were telling the story about you are on stage with somebody and you thought to yourself And you describe yourself this way has been very geeky in high school in that probably if you pulled your classmates They would have picked you last to be on stage with this for Oh, no, no It was doing a song with Eminem 57 and rapping on it. Not only am I British Middle-class white from a country farming town Yeah, and I in my head was always like I'm gonna do something with him and I'm gonna wrap it in my head That was always like from like 15.

I was like that's gonna happen She's gonna happen and I remember saying it to my dad and God bless him. He said, yeah, well God bless him I would have been like but you gotta prepare for that not to have my dad my dad was so wonderful in it because he was always my number one supporter And he never told me that when he played my music to his friends They were like this isn't good Yeah, I found out recently that like he just shielded all that for me He just I loved it Which gives you confidence and eventually you get better and better and better and better yeah performances are literally 90% confident Well, this is why I think camera phones right someone said I can't remember who said this I remember being on stage age 12 playing Sweet child of mine, and I remember being like I am Made a crowd I could crowd so it's probably like five people And I'm sure if someone had filmed that on a camera phone and I watched it back age 12 I'd be like oh man actually that was And I feel like camera phones are ruining the confidence level of kids because you can watch back and be like even if you're like A dance recital you can be like I rock that and then you watch the back and go oh man Oh, yeah, that actually wasn't as sick as I remember oh my god. This reminds me This is so funny Nate took one of my best friends He was in college and he went to a party like a sorority party and he said he was dancing He goes I've never been more on fireman everyone there was feeling I was fucking dancing It was like the night of my life and someone had VHS taped it back then like 91 He said he watched it the next day and he realized like his dance moves were like the African and eater dance from Can't buy me what he looked like a fucking door. He lived with this fantasy I'm dancing is all about just letting go and then the next time this is what's sad the next time he dances He'll be like yes exactly it's best not to ever see that I went to my friends 30th the other week, but the dance floor with emcee, but dancing queen came on abbas I was like I'm going for a solo mission and I had the best night in my life But my best make Nick thought it was so funny he filmed it and I watched again watch the next day and I was like A lot different outside than it was in my head.

It is hard with these young people who start on YouTube and stuff like that Like you have to be perfect right out the gates like you don't have time Sean was playing to sort of 5,000 kids because he was so big on vine that his fan base I remember like his first gigs were to like three four thousand people and then it was like arenas and you have to really catch up quick And it's a lot of pressure a lot of eyes, you know the most I mean you don't have time to be there's no fucking up in small rooms It's like everyone that's so failure is so important for success. I've learned nothing from success. I learned everything from my failures That's the premise of the show. Yeah, I mean literally what could I learn from someone's accomplishment?

Like you if you want to Grammy that doesn't help me at all if you were a shitty dad yesterday and you're bummed about it And you figured it out and then you got a trick to get out of it That's what I want to hear from my dad who fucked up I felt it on because my goal for so many years was when we stayed him when we stayed him So I'm gonna say when we say when we say when we say and then I was on stage at when we stayed him and I came on stage And I was like I feel nothing but the route to Wembley I felt everything I was like energized yes, and actually there was one moment I felt very human on stage when we say I use a loop station and my whole gig is based around the sloop station and it shut off And I was and then I was like what I did Oh wow, wow, wow, so I sung an acapella Wow, well they fixed it but that moment again was failure and then succeed and that's what made up made me feel but yeah It's but you need to sometimes like again I grew up doing comedy like there's a lot of shows that think fuck yeah I'm recorded because the evidence would suggest I suck but really you're just learning when you bum when you bomb You go okay that joke didn't work Then you get to point where you're on stage doing stand out and you kill every time because you've had so many failures leading up So that's a good premise for the show man. That's good because I'd say to kids whenever they say what's your best bit of advice I always say obviously choose someone you admire and work harder than them right songs every day kick every day And I was like dare to suck yeah go in and be like you know what this song might suck or step on stage and dare to suck You suck you won't suck next time or you won't suck five times often I'm a writer as well And the only tip I have for people who want to write is like give yourself permission to write something terrible because the issue isn't writing something terrible It's starting writing that's it. Do you ever write something terrible and then someone else is like oh my god Like in your head you like this is I still think that's on that on that He doesn't think shape of you he thought shape of you was gonna tank. Oh my god Isn't that fantastic what I have is I have a hard time getting started because I want it to be great You know wanting it to be great can be very arresting and that's the only real battle to fight as a writer is just yourself You gotta sit down and start like that yeah, you can write a song that sucks and no one's gonna listen to it Okay, so you in the moment like I remember what was the song I wrote think it might even be bad habits I remember being so buzzed about bad habits and then at the end of the day writing a shitty song and then going home being like Oh man, I can't write songs.

Yeah, it's an identity it can like shatter your identity That's the fear is like oh if I can't do it, then I can't do whatever Yes, here's the analogy I would make I just thought of it while you're saying that is if you're an athlete right and you're competing for the Olympics And you thought I can't start my workout today because it's gonna be a bad workout not an option You just got to work out the muscle so it's like literally it's just going to the gym You're not hoping you get the perfect fucking workout. You just know that's what you've got to do to eventually go somewhere and compete That's a very good point there stay tuned for armchair expert if you dare Okay, so back to what you said on hot ones about Fiddy and Eminem is that your classmates wouldn't thought you would have been there And that you were geeky and then I read that your classmates also voted you most likely become famous. Yeah So do you think there's a game is there a gap between what you think and what people think no no no no it was the hip-hop version that seemed crazy for them Yeah, I think people thought that I would make success out of music But even now people wonder how I do songs with people people who they would consider like super cool even now They'll be like how did he get on a song with Travis or how did he get tea on Wayne and central see to do it? Really quick and ask you a question.

Do you think anyone thinks that or do you think you think they think that no? I think people think that I think people think that I think in the music industry There's like cool clubs. I think because I make pop music people think I'm not in the cool club But sometimes I'm writing music for the cool club behind the scenes. I absolutely well I don't know I just talk for myself people don't think nearly as bad about me as I'm positive They do in fact I almost start every sentence defensively in fact the name of this podcast was gonna be the millionth podcast Not armchair expert because I was already embarrassed that so many people had already done it and I'm just hopping in now I'm a pop there and I'm gonna beat you to the burn on me.

Yeah, I know this is the one millionth podcast I think it's good to be self-aware as well. I don't necessarily think people think bad on me But I do think there's a hell of a lot of people that want me to fail It's crabs in a barrel, you know the crabs in a barrel Cabs in a barrel of water and all the crabs will help one crab gets the top and then when it's at the top They get back down and they help that and that and that is I feel I don't want to share some I can't I love I love living here, but they love an underdog Hey, oh winner. Do you know what they hate they hate a nice winner? They hate the worst they hate someone who they're like fuck like I can't hate He's not really that they see every aspect of my life as like a PR exercise So the fact that my kind of whole shtick is being people being like I'm you say normally he feels like you can go for a point with him or whatever and I feel like people think that that is a Carefully crafted design and calculated calculated thing Yeah, I've seen that you've objected to people suggesting you do things for money Which I don't know why they would suggest that assuming they know somewhat that you've done just fine You probably have passed the point where you're trying to keep the heat on I don't do private shows I'm not saying I never would but like I'm not going to play for some like what if I told you I was $800 cash money to play At my daughter's I would rather play free right this might come back and buy me an ass in years Because I might end up playing pro shows, but I never like feeling like I'm I owned I did one The beginning of my career and I turned up and they gave me my set list so when people ask me to play their weddings I usually say if I'm free I'll just come and do it and I do I do you know I will just turn up at someone's wedding and play and not judge because I think that's more fun.

Yeah, I don't necessarily do it I know my worth well, there's commerce and then there's doing what you love. Yeah, there's two different things We're friends with Pete Wentz and they they did a show for like some Russian Zars or something Followed it and they were like it was atrocious everyone just stood there. No one clapped no one did saying no one did anything They were like we're never ever ever doing this again The part was is they played a couple of this you know whatever they had a set list and then at the end They said no you play this yeah replay they wanted them to Because you're going for the day exactly the only one actually I've done in ten years because it was in Hawaii And I was like oh yeah, I want to go to Hawaii But that was like a gig that I was booked for and but like when you're playing to ten people in a And then they say play again and again. Oh, yeah, yeah, you feel like a puppet friend of mine went to SeaWorld Yeah, and they have a little a Yeah, SeaWorld is cancelled.

Yeah, well, yeah, let's not get bogged down that but a friend of mine was there with his kids And they have a little amphitheaters, but probably maybe 200 people can sit in it And he saw on the sign Tomlox playing do you remember Tomlox funky coal Medina and Wild Thing? Oh, and I said do the Wild Day. So according to him. I don't want to get sued He played Wild Thing everyone went bonkers and then he played funky coal Medina everyone went bonkers and then funky coal Medina goes You'll want to hear Wild Thing?

Yeah, I can play it again. He played three songs and two of them were wild. Kind of awesome. No you audience I mean I remember I played with them Mackelmore and he opens with Can't hold us and then I think ends with it Because it just goes I mean and don't get me wrong.

He has like hits We're gonna get the crowd high. Well when you said the cool club. I immediately thought him I thought yeah, that's a victim of the cool club but the cool club work So the cool club like he is still hanging out with the people you think are in the cool club Yes, but some faction of the media has decided he's not that and has created this kind of bullshit tension Which we talked about at great length like there's some undercurrent to suggest he's not despite the reality of it I mean, that's the same for me. It'll be the same for Sean.

It'll be the same for Taylor. Does she get that? I think she did I think she reached a level of success with 1989 the people were like oh she can't do it again She can't do it again And I think with folklore and evermore is so back in with the cool club She's now kind of done send it all of it Yeah, you can't like she's done it again and again and again and at a certain point you have to just be like she's really good Oh, yeah, she's doing that. She's just a nice person So like it comes out yeah, you'll do like donate to a fans thing here Or should do this and like these things come out and the media I felt like they felt they could shit on her Rub it and then eventually they're like you know like she won literally I don't think there's ever a point.

I mean I can't speak for the future But I think she's out the other side now I think there's ever a point where people can be the way they were with her did you watch her doc? You must have okay, so that's where I went from you know my daughter's lover music I like some of her songs I was whatever if I had to do zero to ten interest in her it was like at a four or five I watch her doc and just what we were talking about about me learning from people's struggles I went I fucking love this woman I love her honesty I love her vulnerability I love her fucking truth and I talked about this with Sean and I'm gonna talk About it with you because I've seen it in you too You said look man I did fucking 260 shows and I didn't want to ever do music again It ruined my experience and what I love about this generation of younger rock stars is like I grew up with Led Zeppelin I should aspire to fuck a fish in a hotel room like there's no downside There's just fucking fish in hotel rooms. There's no struggle. There's no loneliness There's no identity crisis in the result of that as you saw there isn't a musician from the 60s I wasn't a raging fucking addict because you need relief You have to regulate from the loneliness in the highs of the stage and the loneliness of the hotel in the fucking I love that y'all are owning the reality of the human experience because I think what gets us all into troubles And I'm gonna argue that this is what happened to you with Wimbly we are fantasy creatures We are forward-thinking fantasy creatures and we think we're gonna feel a certain way you thought in your head for however many years that when you played Wimbly a magic sensation was gonna enter your body in a confidence I thought that having a daughter I thought everyone said you feel this new love having a daughter and I remember in it was a very Traumatic birth and I remember holding her and being like when's it gonna hit when's it gonna hit and then just gradually you realize that Actually, it's not a switch that comes on and it's a new kind of love It's you have a totally different because I thought you love your daughter more than your wife like is that the thing and it was this Bond of real true emotive love and worry Lots of words work there sort of gradually happens and it comes stronger and stronger and stronger But I assumed I mean as you said you feel like it's this light switch my words like and now it's this This is across the board so Mondays and celebrities Thursdays is like professors all the best minds in the world Everyone who's gone to Harvard had the exact same experience their entire life was about getting to Harvard and then they got to Harvard They're like yeah, I thought I was gonna come up yeah I feel like a scientist overnight and then I guess after Harvard they go and I'm gonna have the best job and it's I'm gonna be there and then when I have money it's gonna feel this way that was my lie I'm like oh if I have money there's no problems going back to what you were saying about artists have to have to have Something once the stage is over and they have I actually think real addiction comes in the off time in the boredom when you haven't got anything to do When I watch the Amy documentary like her addiction got really bad when she was off tour because yeah She would wake up in the morning and be like well What do you say I'm not playing show not doing okay?

Hi, and then it turns into I'm on tour and I'm doing it and this is what I need it But eventually those collide did you watch either of the Whitney Houston documentaries? I haven't seen it yet They're phenomenal and she is on a tour like you were like you were you know like they are working that woman and she's in Australia And she's playing for a hundred thousand people and she is actively fucking smoking crack and yet She still is getting there which she's so skinny and she like now It's just all converging the addiction and the stage thing and all of it is just like it's a mountain and anything is really Really heartbreaking and again I think she just missed the generation where she could have maybe owned a lot of it and dealt I don't know I just think what what you guys are doing is so helpful to everybody because there isn't a magic builder isn't a magic job There's a magic accomplishment and you're being honest about that Well, you just need to get your head around that maybe the accomplishment is doing what you love for a living and like my Every day waking up and being like hey, I get to play guitar today and people are gonna go hey You'll get it that that is enough that is enough and that's why someone like John for instance when he's going to stage And he's going am I enough am I enough and he stands on stage and goes Oh, yeah, no people do like this I think that Accomplishments and this is the thing with the war shows and sort of sales in general and people being like this is what? Defines you like my new album is not going to sell what divides all I know that for a fact You know it's a different different time CDs aren't really the thing anymore equals equals is out and it's fantastic And everyone's by multiple copies but my worst by some people will be judged all the albums worth even if the album so much better Will be judged on yeah, what did it sell did it when he grimmies? What did it do rather than I love it?

I'm really proud of it and I hope people listen to it and they like it too But the thing that I got into on my first record was I was it was critically slammed I won and I remember I was like nominated for a Grammy and losing I was like crushed who'd you lose to fun? I lost a Macamoleer after I lost 13 Grammys in a row. Oh, is that a record? No, maybe anyway I lost a lot of 13 in a row to 13 when they invite you on the 11th time or you a little bit like I'm not fucking gonna go well This is my point on the 14th time it was my birthday and I was like I was like I don't want to spend my birthday losing Yeah, and so I was like I'm gonna go I'm gonna go But I'm in a book a plane afterwards to take me and my wife to Iceland and I'm gonna wake up and jump in the blue Lagoon and win or lose that's my day and I was there like No celebration it was like I won and I left that money healthy as way to do it Yeah, and then the next time I won I woke up here in bed and literally like looked on the news and was like oh Oh, I won.

Oh, so you didn't go to one of the ones you won? I didn't go to one of them. No, I often find like for me award shows if I'm not performing I kind of can't really see because I want to go and perform and people to see yeah So I'm kind of like if I'm not playing I find it difficult to go sit and I just it really really makes me feel like shit I get like real anxiety being around lots of people that I admire that it's the thing where you think everyone hates you And I walk into a room and I go these all these people don't like I don't like that feeling It's a lot easier to go and be like but I'm playing and I'm promoting my record But you know, that's not true like everyone in my party thing people do you want me to fail especially here people are waiting for the moment Where a song doesn't go to one thing but not the people in the room at the Grammys who know what's up No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, like I know I know because I hear people talk about people who talk about me And in the moment it'll be like hey man, what's going on? But I know for a fact that people are like fuck this guy I'm right some of that office just obviously like some career envy.

Yeah, of course. Yeah, of course I'm like I know yeah, I'm fine with it, but again be self aware I'm very self aware of those things and even here in our music industry in England where the percentage of People listening has gone up and as a music industry everyone benefits if say Coldplay or Adele or whoever they have a successful album 15 bands that kind of sound like them will get signed and then they'll get shot and then they'll get on radio because of it and like well rising tide Lifts all ships yeah, and like some of those ships will still want me to fail and I'm not saying like I'm the reason that people have success But there's definitely like when someone gets a hit on radio There's definitely like oh well This is the new some something rather and like I don't know I just like I know that I benefited from Palatine teeny and James blunt for my record label because they were mails in some writers who got big So a lot of records and that money went to signing me and making my record and then promoting it and it's just it's it's a cycle Okay back to the wedding thing I want to suggest that this is from my own experience If I look at my happiest days of being an actor It's when I was a ground lean and I did a show every Sunday and literally nothing could happen from it No, I was gonna like I was gonna be great They're gonna give me a check at the end It's just like I did it because I wanted to be on that stage and then soon as I started doing movies It was like this was gotta do this much so I can do that when the whole thing Yeah, and so trying to recapture why I moved to Los Angeles Which was to be funny the more I can do that the happier I am so yeah Like for me if you played a wedding out of your love for playing that's such a different experience But that's what I do I balance it So if you say you did mega mega mega million selling movie going to a stand up show on Sunday and remind yourself that you Are and do it for free and then people like oh shit Did you see so and say turned up to the comedy club and he didn't even want to be paid He just did it for the love of it Yeah, and I think I do that now like every now and then we'll just be like fuck it I want to play show today I will just turn up somewhere and plug in and play well He does this really cute thing like there's all these videos and like people playing at a ball or something around the park And then he just pops in and starts fucking jamming It's a cute picture with like all these girls that were doing some kind of singing I'm like oh it probably can then he rolls up and just starts fucking now That's the kind of superpower I wish I had where like my talent I could start right now and end in four minutes and give Somebody and then walk away sounds so dreamy How many times have you been at the Nepali and you got on the comedian they got a test joke Well, they don't have to say tell me I'm giving them way too many jokes No, can you stop telling us jokes? I'm saying my favorite one and it's just about the delivery the joke is not good Old man goes for his yearly physical the doctor and the doctor says I've ran your your labs I'm looking at your results I got two really bad pieces of news for you number one you have cancer and number two you have Alzheimer's and he says well Well, we used to not cancer It's not funny to make fun of all my good money is how positive he is Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, well That one gets said multiple times on the show along with the underwear one the underwear one. Oh, no the bread on the bear Bloody underwear.

I have oh yes one more one more. Yeah So an old man again goes to his wagon old man Because that's my fear right now is I'm slowly turning into a old man goes with his wife to his yearly physical because he's hard of hearing She helps out and he gets in there and the doctor says okay before we get started We're gonna need a blood sample a urine sample and a fecal sample and he turns his wife and says what did you say she said? He wants your underwear Okay, oh man old man goes to the doctors for a for a checkup actually middle-age man And the doctor does all the tests or you know putting the electrode things on and then he's fine He says right you're totally clear, but you know, I'm a religious man And I just want to ask you what's your connection like with God you have a good spirit connection He's like yeah, man weird me and God is so close every time I go to the toilet repeat. He turns the light on I'm gonna leave He turns it off doctors like what yeah, it's all right Oh, the doctor's really concerned He rings up the man's wife and he's like it's got turn on the light for your husband and turn it off when he leaves She's like no, he just pisses in the fridge I was trying to predict the end of that joke now so off Sorry, we just don't know that's exactly what the show supposed to do So I get far away from anything you're expecting to hear us talk about um I had a question about in the interviews I've watched you and you have a total comfort in a confidence It seems to me that you're not terribly concerned about what the fallout is and I was wondering if that is the actual gift of success That you've done well enough that you don't feel the pressure to try to be broadly appealing or try to Say something that'll appeal to people like is that the gift of no cuz I still feel there's pressure to have hits No, I mean about being yourself in your cell right Oh, because you know a younger artist who's trying to appeal to the most amount of people it's possible They might ask them some question that they knows polarizing or they might think is alienating to some group And they can't really they're not in a position to be that way yet I think honestly is the best policy and I feel like you can never get caught out I mean there's people that I know that are clean cut and don't do drugs kids I think it caught doing drugs and then everyone's like so I think it's from the get go It's good to just just be honest And I think if you're a nice person you can't get caught out I have I mean Claire my publicist will tell you that the newspapers here they will search for things on you They will try and take you down and they will find stuff So if you're just a nice person They're not gonna find shit because you don't have to put things to dig up James Lunch said that to me said it once in an interview and it was like this kind of faux shock from the press You probably do it with him.

They're probably at the party And he said it was very much a kind of like pop star does drugs and everyone was like oh no Acting for one second. Yeah, do you like it? Do you know I love the break from the norm? But I found I did a TV show dame at arms.

No, no, no, it was a joke all the bastard executioner Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and I loved the first day And then the second day I was like I felt so out of place because I wasn't an actor and the confidence Well, I just I didn't feel like a very confident didn't actually turn like I watch that show now and it actually turned out really well I feel I don't really have imposter syndrome too much with my own career because I know the path that it's it's trouble I have real imposter syndrome with acting so I feel like dipping in and Doing a cameo that I'm like asked to do rather than like that show I like went through the process Yeah, and regular yeah, and so I think dipping in from us to do a cameo in them This move and Netflix where I actually play a wedding and then the wedding gets shut down the police drag me off stage And I start showing off fucking have you can I find that funny so yeah, I do like acting in that respect I'm very aware that I am a very recognizable person who is well known for having a faceful radio So I'm not like I'm not I'm not looking to be I would love to do an animated movie I'd love to do a musical animated movie. Yeah, and my wife can make that happen. Oh, yeah, that's her field is animated musicals Let's talk about Game of Thrones for one second. Yeah, polarizing I'm on the side that loved it So just know where I'm coming from but the game of thrones at our house was a pod event way before the repods We would Sunday night like for different families comes over We all why this a whole thing is pause 80 times we wanted to last like six hours.

I mean it's our call at PRQ pause real quick Yeah, PRQ and then when someone says I'm of course when you came on fucking everyone's young Yeah, but I just learned the backstory of it yesterday reading about you. That was a surprise for Aria It was ruined by Sophie Sansa Comic-Con It's a control in 2012 and Gary the lead saying it was Matt It was season two was airing at the time He's mad on it and he had filmed the cameo for season three So I started watching it with him instantly got obsessed game It was like the show that I had the DVD box sets back home and none of my friends wanted to watch it So I used to get of me ran my house and be like watching and I was watching season one with them for the day Yeah, and then I get another friend and I watch season one for the day So I said to Gary back then I was like can you get me a cameo and he said yeah, I'll speak to the creators I was in touch the creators from like 2012 I think and then obviously they were like this doesn't make sense Like why would we have it but then it makes sense really just because it is comparable you would never acknowledge this but I'll acknowledge it for you. I mean you sold 150 million albums only Michael Jackson really isn't that world so just imagine You're watching game of thrones and the panda for Michael's Yeah, I mean for me what I say to people all the time because I know I know it was like a why there's a big why not for me And I just say to people what would you say exactly? Did you like the Pranels or to young of like sopranos?

I watched it real time. Oh, yeah Yeah, that was the other that was I've only had two shows in my life where it's like friends game or on Sunday We made Italian food we fucking watch the Pranels like positive bunch But I always said like put me in the background as a waiter that just dropping off a glass I just want to be I want to be in the world. I've been obsessed with I just want to enter the world and I can leave real quick So did you feel when you were on game thrones did that experience maybe live up? Do we like I mean the world?

Yeah, yeah, and I feel like people's reaction to it sort of muddied my joy to it sincerely I fucking loved it. Thank you. I was with you. I'm like god bless this motherfucker if they put me in that scene I'm there any one second.

Yeah, yeah, no for sure for sure But I was kind of immersed in the world anyway from just being friends with Richard Madden who was at the king of the North And so I'd known him from like 20 so I we met a you know what I met kit Harrington and Richard Madden both in urinals But wow so so speak no, I know because you're there and you're like Comes now and not knowing that he's thinking No, I met Richard back in 2012 at a festival he'd come to watch me headline The and we met just before I went on but I'd sort of been immersed in the world from knowing a lot of the actors from like 2012 Right and so you this is where you're you'll bail out this conversation because I find that this is uncomfy for I'm some English guys, but kid Harrington. What is he I was watching those love making scenes with Ian at Calice and I'm like Those are some of the best buns I've ever seen a man or female so I gotta tell you if I was at a urinal I mean now the final chapter my prediction is that his penis is so pretty well my rule usually is I don't go to urinals They'll be 20 urinals and I'll stand at any Next to me just to have a look yeah, and so my rule is I usually don't but this was a place where I think someone was in the bathroom doing drugs What a world so here's my question wait I never figured out why how was it was a surprise she was obsessed with you no well not obsessed is it may Come to shows so I'd met her she came in Dublin I think they were filming in Belfast I'd met amazing probably when she was like 12 maybe 13 She's always been awesome And I don't think they'd written the ending yet Or it was meant to be like her last season But it wasn't and they said as a surprise for her because it was her last season they would get me on so she was meant to turn up on set And I was by the fire she was meant to know her lines and everything get down and be like oh Yeah, but yeah, it was great it was great and I arrived the night before and Kit was obviously there filming with them There was a bunch of them and I took them out and Kit was doing his mate He was doing that scene He was doing that scene because I took him out and he was like I've been on a straight diet and I was like fuck you You're having a burger and a beer and you'll be happy about it And yeah, he was doing that scene the next day I think she told did she tell us that maybe they had a couple pops to get through because they're such bros And they have to fuck passionately in their buddies I want to say they both had a glass on line or something I don't remember I'm really starting a room He's married to Rose who's I guess they're all like super close friend Yeah, so they moved I tell people all the time how great stuff it is and everyone's like yeah, yeah, yeah, it's three three hours He's moved there. Oh really? Yeah, he took off his house to my advice went on right move and was like you know what it's time You know, I'm most interested in let me start you're the guess who was your favorite character?

Oh, yeah She's incredible. I think they as the show went on because she's amazing in the books But I think as the show went on they realized what a fan favorite she was so they once the books were ended They gave her cooler and cool. Yeah, that's a great great pick mines the hound Yeah, yeah, yeah, because as a human being I relate like I'm a piece of shit scumbag and then sometimes I got a lot of heart And I'll help you I love the people name swords lots of cuts Stay tuned for more armchair expert if you dare You can finally answer our long standing question. Well, you can weigh in you can weigh in no I'm gonna take his verdict as the verdict.

We are so curious and maybe we're hearing it wrong But when we hear your songs it sounds to us like you have an American accent as it does Do you think I'm not gonna do that one? I mean I will but I thought it might annoy you so I decided to shelve that one So we think like I think Mick Jagger sounds American when he sings but then when he talks he's clearly English and your songs to me sound What happens a do you agree? I know you mean because some people can't work out the accent It's like a newscaster in America. They don't have any regional accent.

Yeah, but you're it's not like I'm in love with you Boy, I don't know like that no one does very bad English accent But I don't really have a regional accent here my accent is just kind of plain the regional I come from and it's a really really Thick farming accent. How's that sound? I say all right boy. How you getting on?

Oh wow? How you got like everything's like a limerick? Yeah, well, it's a musical. Yeah, I think if I had an American I would be I'm in love with the shape of you instead of I'm in love with the shape of You English, yeah, yeah, fuck so we were just wrong.

What's your other question that was gonna annoy you? Brown sugar just like a young girl should that sounds American. Yeah, I mean no one's debating that the rowing stones might sounds No, you you and I are the baby. There's a singing sound that is maybe separate from Access the trick is this is what I just some people can like really put on a voice I always say it's a happy birthday test.

How do you think happy birthday? Orably and I'm gonna go happy birthday to you I go happy birthday to you you'd sing it and that's your actual singing word Please sing one more bar of it in American happy birthday dear dad birthday to you Like a 14 year old girl when you're an American. Oh, yeah, no, no because we because we grow up We watch his American pie and yes, but the vampire share it's like it's all teen drums and that's kind of part of your theory Yeah, yeah, we're all because Josh or friend Josh. He's Australian and he does such a good American I mean everyone who's not American doing very good American Easy no American doing a good No one no, thank you.

Thanks for noticing I have speech impediment Talk exclusively about equals yeah, but we also have to ask the other question I was 15 I know for sure because I had my drivers learners permit and I got to drive for most of the drive to Vermont It was like a ten-hour drive. We went snowboarding at this place, Killington I met this beautiful girl from Manchester Jenny Hazleton I love you, Jenny. She also was 15 and we had a fun day snowboarding We had a bunch of beers and then now we ended up in a closet of a hotel room and as we were making out things were progressing I kept thinking like what any point she's gonna say let's probably wait or let's blah blah blah Well that never came and then we were just plowing in a closet at 15 and Ed that always stuck out to me for the following seven years It's like curious like why was that because she was beautiful There's she had all the options and then I had an anthropology class in college where they were studying the World War two war babies You know this phenomena that a ton of American GIs got English women pregnant during World War two But proportionally and this is key because people like to come in I'm saying proportionally because there were a lot of American female station here as well They did not become pregnant from English men at the same rate So that was the curious question and the anthropologists suggested that culturally in America the woman has the break pedal So it's the kind on the woman's shoulder to go like let's wait Let's wait, let's wait and they said and this is what this is a fucking four-year long argument that in England the men are expected to have the break Pedal like as a gentleman there so say well, that's way is that true or not and is that something that only existed in the 50s I think the two differences between our culture and your culture is religion and I think that is why it is I don't really Know about the other thing, but I think in America religion is so prevalent. Yeah, yeah And sex and religion doesn't really mix.

They don't go here. Right where it's here I'm not saying religion isn't prevalent here people are religious, but it's not to the same degree It's not an identity here. Well, no, it is for some people And you know I went to a church of England school and we sing hymns in school But like there's never a point where it's like I'm born with original sin and if I masturbate then I'm going to hell Yeah, there's never that point. I think honestly the difference in cultures is religion.

That's a good I like that take a lot of that really makes sense. Yeah Have you had the experience hooking up with them? It was because you can imagine where if you're hooking up with an American where is fucking rubbing her knees Well, that'd be the worst thing that could get out about Ed is that he made love to an American made her night I'd say to an American from Arkansas. Oh, well then religion there.

I'm that's about yeah Yeah, you can imagine a scenario where both people have a break pedal and just can't get done the religion element is really interesting because in the United States It is a lot on the female to be pure to not be a slut. Yeah, there's a lot of pressure on me Make sure you're in love before you have sex. Yeah, so it makes I think it makes sense that the woman in the United States has the break The girl has the break pedal separate from anything going on here. We don't know anything about here.

Right. But there. Yes It's it's like every little girl's told like you better love you It should be so special but it's like you're putting on the shoulders of a 14 year old girl to evaluate whether a guy truly loves her Or I mean this is my dad never said to me make sure that girl loves you And you've got those as well as they say on your mom with yeah But I'm unconventional and this way I am so excited for my girls to get butterflies and make out and do the whole thing is my favorite part of ever being on planet Earth Is that period where I was doing this is what I always said as soon as I had a daughter all my mates are like oh, you wait So she's gone. Yeah, and like my thing is if you're a shitty dad then yes She's gonna be attracted to shitty men Yeah, but like I'm like all I have to do is I just have to be there for her be open be honest have conversation Never say don't do this but just give her all all the information That's me too and I think that's the thing with just young relationships I think my wife had this relationship with her mum where she just told it everything and didn't feel like she had to hide anything and Anything and not just I'm not just talking like hooking up and stuff like that But say you're at a party and you're blasting you're throwing up and you're like oh my god I just want someone to come and get me and say you can't ring your parents because they're gonna have a go at you You have to have a relationship with your kids where like the worst case scenario You're gonna get sort of a conversation that you probably don't want but it's open enough that it's not gonna be your grounded So although I guess you can have the conversation and say and by the way I want to tell you a rule I have so I used to like fistfighting a lot for myriad of reasons It is it is not to bring you down But I was victimized quite a bit as a child and so for me the thing became I'll die swinging going forward Oh, they never ever ever fuck with you ever there was one there was one kid that's always get my bag and enter the books every day Get my bag and two books and I said to my dad what do I do and he's like much taller than me much much more than me My dad was just like punch him in the fucking jaw.

Yes. Yes. Yes. I punch him in the jaw And I got kicked the fucking I was really really I beat him but the next day he didn't do it Never did it again.

Yeah, never did it again. Yeah, never did it again. You never get your ass beat It's one ass beating versus 300 and it's so sad and I'm so grateful I don't have a song cuz I don't want to pass that I don't want to have to tell my kid fucking blast him in the nose. It'll be over I'm so glad I don't have to do it because I don't want to pass that on I just want to tell you I had to I'm gonna take that back.

I had three rules I would never fight a guy who took a shirt off immediately because They're ready. Well, no crazy. They've ruined so many shirts fighting. They've learned to take it off.

Okay. That's a bad sign Too don't fight a married dude cuz he's not fighting you he's fighting his wife and children States are fucking hot you're a representation of everything he hates in life And number three and I swear to this do not fight a redhead Oh, don't fucking do it because I have seen in my childhood because everyone I grew up around look like you Everyone's fucking English and Irish and blue-collar and auto industry I saw little redheads get bullied by big guys and I saw the reds Engage an emotional gear that I've never seen like balling wall kicking ass That's some freaky shit so my grandfather was a boxer and so my dad's learn boxing as a kid And when I was really I'm something like seven or eight and getting picks on my dad taught me boxing And so and taught me how to throw a punch well. Yeah, and I haven't had a fight since I was like 15 or whatever That was probably the last last one but it is true like we your ocean We had the people redheads go through quite a bit of abuse by the time we finished school and it's good to look in be prepared I sort of wonder when having ginger hair joins the oh we can't joke about that thing because everything has everything Has a judge and I was on Graham Norton Which is the big TV earlier the other day and there was a segment where they were like hey look at this ginger cat It kind of looks like you and I'm like I was kind of sat there like okay Like I know people find this funny, but also like I'm wondering at what point does everyone go okay? Yeah, I don't understand it why because you can it's the one thing you're still allowed to do It's what we say it's like what accents am I allowed to do well virtually white people because it's not a my business to do other ethnicities But more importantly I'm in the hegemonic group I'm in the white hegemonic group of the US and if I'm imitating someone that's marginalized and I'm perpetuating some Stereotypes that exist solely because they're underrepresented.

I'm now part of the problem I can recognize I didn't used to be able to recognize I do every accent I thought I was in fine standing for doing that but redheads are white that they income in my friend They are the minority hair you know what would piss me off about that more than anything is my bar of comedy I'd be like really man. That's your fucking joke. I look like a cat There's a whole BuzzFeed article of like people that they met at you and it is literally just fat ginger kids And I'm like I exercise I gotta say the thing I think I really most of you are I think I really I think you and I are brothers on this is My most hated moments of my life are photoshoots. Oh mate.

I don't trust anyone that doesn't join them though I don't trust anyone that likes red carpets Like when you see someone that is there and it's like I love it It's my most hated thing I do and I warn the photographer right away. I go look man. You're seeing me in my worst day I'm insecure. I fucking hate how I look.

There's no picture You're not it doesn't mean I don't like you. No. Yeah, I'm at my most insecure today and when I'm at my most insecure I get really protective of myself and I'm like that's not you know like I've learned to warn people like you're gonna See the shitty aside me because I'm so insecure I didn't I wasn't in my first 10 music videos I found ways for me not to be in them. I hired fucking Rupert Grint from Harry Potter to play I play to play me in music videos.

I didn't want to be in a music video. Did he drive his ice cream truck? No But I think you did have it at the time but I Tried for so long to because I hate the way I don't want to see I don't want to see it I do photo sheets now, and I'm just like I don't care like you pick the photos I don't want to see them. Yeah, you'll basically you say you can't use any of these photos Yeah, exactly exactly so but here's what I was gonna say so I think this is where the parallel is what's so crazy is if I can talk Like you turn the camera on me.

I'm not insecure and you are crazy confident on stage Oh dude. Yeah, the most the most but honestly even on stage you take the guitar away from me. I'm like Like I couldn't do I broke both my arms and then I had to do a TV show I Think Like 20 shows oh my god, you know what's weird about it is so the biggest tour that my tour sort of did better than I've just I said with my tour ended up being the biggest tour before then was you two and he canceled 20 shows? He broke back in a bicycle accident bottom.

Yeah, simulation by the way he could perform with he doesn't play guitar Like if it doesn't want to be there in a big cast. Yeah, we did a show and I was what? 18 hours out of foot surgery. Oh, yeah, and I love it because I was kind of like well They're gonna lower their expectations of the show semi-good and they know I'm on crutches and 14 hours of surgery They're gonna put on a good show.

Yeah, cuz you need a show to life, right? Uh-huh, you know occasionally, but you can't do it with two broken answers You're doing well, but this is my point I was playing a TV show It was like an award show in France and I had to sing perfect and usually I play on because it's all about I had a band And I sort of like Michael Boo play I was in it I was in a suit and I had the mic but I felt so naked on stage not to have anything to the high point Yeah, I watched some of the seasons of American Idol and that would always be a thing for like people who play guitar They would be trying to urge them to try it without the guitar and I was like, oh, why I know why I totally agree Someone has a thing then yes, yeah, I never get that I just I was a mentor on the voice recently and there was this amazing country singer and she was singing obviously seeing covers And I was like, why don't you sing your own songs on this because you obviously have your own songs and she was like I don't let me do that and I'm like but the voice it's not called the we sing covers It's like you have a voice have it be your chance. Yeah, I think there's like a licensing things. Oh sure wait First of all, you guys are both so handsome.

Oh, thank you Clear because you guys are I get it, but it's so silly are you insecure the most exactly this thing my wife is most beautiful woman in the world And she is in school, but she needs we all need people who say that I think you look wonderful today But it's also just the truth it's the truth to you and would you like to know it? Yeah, I would you like to walk in a room and be like I am So hot no, it's good again self awareness. It's just be self aware and even I've had this experience I don't know if you guys have ever had this and this will sound really cool But it is the truth I've had friends that when I met them I was like, oh wow, this awkward looking dude Come to think they're so fucking attractive and they get all kinds of women because they're wonderful people and they're confident and all these things And I'll introduce them to someone who's never met them and it clicks me back for half a second I go yeah, oh, they're seeing him for the first time They don't know how charming and everything and I just get aware of it I'm like, oh so weird the whole thing is so weird because I don't see that now I just see isn't it bad that you can look at someone be like if you suddenly feel a certain type way about them Just because the way they look because we all do it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and then you meet them and you're like oh my god I'm such a dick.

Yeah, well sadly, you know, we're fighting against a lot of biology Which is we're gonna procreate with someone we want our kids to succeed in whatever environment we're in So it's a hurdle we have to just step across but it is always gonna be there It's how we're wired. That's what I used to hate. I was only on a dating app once for like 24 hours hinge It was a long time ago So now they've changed it But when I was on it you only saw the picture you saw the school they went to and their age and that was it And I was on it And I was like I'm making decisions based on how high of education they have their face I'm like this is disgusting. I couldn't do it.

I had to get off I was like this is not why I like anyone so yeah, yeah, it is funny because I do you think you're both beautiful as fuck and I Mean Talk about equals now first of all I guess I'm curious and probably don't have to be by the way I have a couple questions one is just I know everyone knows this and I just simply don't choosing to use math symbols Where'd that idea come from I fucking love it? I'm a big fan of Coldplay I really love Coldplay and I love how coldplay on every album he coldplay fans Oh, I want to interrupt you to ask fix you by far. I love it so much fix it fix you can still make me cry Yes, what about yellow again great, but fix you is like to drum up emotion every time you listen to so far But anyway, so you guys you guys are coldplay fans I say x and y to you you see the symbols you see the cover you know what the tool look like you know what they would dress I say people of either you know the cover you know the cover you know what the so for me I very very young I was like 18 and I think and I just decided I was like right I'm gonna do five math symbols as my albums ones gonna be orange ones gonna be blue ones gonna be red ones gonna be Yellow and you're gonna just see a poster and the poster's just gonna have an equal sign on it and you'll know what it is You don't need to see my name. My name has never been on the front cover of my CD I really never never thought that but everyone knows that that's my CD So you'll see a green you won't even see the X you see a green CD and you go that said So you see blue CD and go that's that's and I really really wanted to it's not so much a branding thing But just a feel of a feel of an album I say divide to you and you see blue and the tour and the splash and the thing and now I'm doing this tour Which is all of them and you look at those symbols and you go Oh, he's gonna play with those songs You don't you just see symbols and you go and it's those songs rather than being like the greatest hit store You just and also it's something the first one I'd released 5 EPs and my plan was to release 5 EPs and become successful because no label wants to sign me So I had all these songs that I was saving for now and I thought fuck I'm just gonna do it So I made a band EP electronic EP a acoustic EP that was collaboration with a singer a live EP and then a kind of grime rap EP which was a collaboration project and then by the end of that I pretty much made it as far as I wanted to make it a signed record deal and then plus was the addition to all of that So it was the add-on multiplied to what plus did and made it bigger divide was a double album originally But now they were muddled up But it was a R&B and acoustic and then there was gonna be a strip back acoustic album Which was meant to be the next one but this is now the next one and then equals is gonna be the end of the equation with every aspect of all the albums and so that and I was like that's my next 10 years planned out And it's now been 10 years and in between I was gonna do a number six collaborations project in between the next one I'll probably do a number seven like I planned it out, but you're not making a Tarantino declaration No, I'm gonna make 10 records.

I'm gonna make 10 simple records, but not the next five won't be maths Okay, so and also Tarantino wouldn't class grindhouse is one of his 10 like he's still allowed to go on to offshoots And maybe if he did start track it wouldn't count as well I understand so he's gonna make 10 Official Tarantino movies and I'm gonna make 10 official albums you clearly like Tarantino I loved Tarantino I met him at an award show and it was one of those ones where I didn't want that to be how I met because I was one of Me people when they want me and I was one of those ones where I was kind of brought up to him and introduced and like shook And I was like this is how I want to do it. I remember I made my second album with Reuben who you guys should definitely introduce He's playing with Eminem and he took me to SNL and he was like you want to be much and I was like no I don't and he was like cool But the reason I didn't want to meet him was because I don't want to be like hey This is this is a fan yeah, you know he sings this song I was like when I meet Eminem I want him to be like Ed can we do a song together and that was my Tarantino thing like yeah I didn't want to be brought up and be presented I have the exact same thing with Bill Murray I've been next to him like probably six times and I'd love him too much to not I only want one version of it. I don't want that I'm a fan of you version. I want to be let's talk I'm interested in you version.

Yeah, and maybe that was that's been a mistake No, no, it's not because your memories will not be muddied You can go through the whole of life knowing that you made the right decision or you can have a really awkward selfie with all Murray and be like he couldn't get out of that fast enough now How is your new two are structured different than the last so that you don't experience what you did last time? I'm just like with me with me. No, no, I'm doing way more Boy, what a way more you did 260 last yeah, I'm gonna do more Oh, can we come are you gonna come to LA? Yep?

Yeah, we're coming to LA the way of you it is my daughter is one yeah and when she starts school I'm gonna want to be settled and I'm not gonna want to go on a five-year world tour so now is the time to do it so I'm gonna go until she turns about five or six and Then stop so I'm gonna basically gonna get all of my touring in and then I think I'll tour school holidays and stuff like that But I'm gonna get it all in I want to play place. I haven't been as well like I've never really but I played China I've never properly toured China. I'm gonna go there for like six weeks and actually yeah Yeah, that's a great plan And we did the same thing when our little babies we still took movies out of town and just traveled and it was great There's pictures of them all over the place. It was really wonderful But I do want to potentially warn you for something in your future Which is I brought the eight-year-old my daughter Lincoln to one of our shows oh?

Thinking like somehow she would like see now. Yeah, my element She'd have some kind of like affection for what I do and what did she watch for maybe 12 seconds? And then she went in the green room and I want to drop it was like but would you with your parents like I remember my dad my dad he's an Art historian so he's to do lectures on like art but like older and I remember the same thing now I'm fascinated and I want to sit with him for hours I want to tell me about the Napoleonic era and all these are he took me to lose the other day and we but at the time I remember just being like what fucking listen to this like what have you bought him a crazy painting that he would please say yes Please tell me he's got a fucking I tell you what was he ever screaming his house. I've been to a house that did have one Yes, yes, New York.

Yeah, so can I just tell you one second funny story about that? I didn't go there, but my mentors a 72 year old lawyer. I love this dude. We write motorcycles together.

I worship him He's got two daughters. They're grown. They turned up perfect I want to be him. I'm driving in the car with his two daughters in the back seat They're like 22 and 24 and I say who's dating who oh she's the younger one's got a new boyfriend I go where's he live?

Oh, he lives in man-hand. Oh, what does family do? I don't know their investors or something and then the oldest sister goes they have the scream in their house Not not only that but they own all of one street and they've knocked the middle of the house out So they can have natural light in every room mate I went there I went there and I played this music festival and I played with this artist and they said they make me look poor And I was like no, what's this out and I walked in the first thing I saw was a huge rants is bacon and I was like that's not fake and then there was these oh man It was he had a big cafe floor. It was like an argue But the cool thing about it is he lends all the stuff out.

Yeah, yeah Yeah, even Bill Gates I think he owns the coolest thing someone could especially for him to a bot which is he bought Leonardo da Vinci's journals And you know he invented an eyepiece that he would write it It's written upside down and backwards and you need the eyepiece to read it And it's on tour like you know nine months of the year and then it's back at his house and he eats out over it Then it goes on tour. Have you interviewed Ryan Teller before? No one republic he collects old important historical artifacts like letters from George Washington Really? Yeah, he's got some really I hope you won't mind me saying but I think he again lends amounts of museums But yeah on art remember there was one time This was before like stuff was like published in the papers about who weren't what I remember my dad sending me this Rembrandt That was like hundreds of millions sure and him being like I don't know if he was saying he's basically said this is a good investment I don't know if he was saying to me right right right right you should be like I remember thinking I don't know if you know what musicians earn but Oh my god, I gotta tell you the fucking craziest experience I had we were at my family's house in Oregon for Christmas And I don't know how this came up somehow someone brought up celebrity net worth calm Which I didn't even know was a thing.

Oh, yeah, it's a thing you can go look above I'm sitting there saying there and I'm thinking they must have looked me up, right? And I said did you look me up and they said yeah, and I said how much do I have and they said this number that was at the time Like eight times ten times what I had and I said, uh-huh. Did you look Kristen up? Yeah, what does she have?

I said if I were you guys and you thought we had that much money and we weren't just fucking showering it like I would be Resemple yeah, it was kind of like a little dangerous I mean, that's one of my most Google things if you type in my name, you know the suggested thing Yeah, like I think that's like the top thing that people ask Or if you write is Dax Shepard, it'll auto fill out. Oh, right. Yeah, which apparently happens to nearly everyone that's funny I had your fucking radical. I'm so grateful that you sat down with us.

Thank you so much for having me Yeah, there's a ton of fun adore you. Thank you so much for blasting I gotta say I just cuz I want people to know the real you I asked Sean dude I hate doing this could you just ask him something being London? He's like no problem within ten minutes. I can email from you you're fucking cordial Would you like to have lunch you're a goddamn gentleman?

You're a nice person behind the scenes y'all all right? Yeah, and now my favorite part of the show the fact check that my soulmate Monica Padman ABR rolling rolling rolling This was such a fun episode it was more than an episode it became a life event really did getting to go to his restaurant It's pups birdie blossom birdie blossoms and getting to eat that insane meal Danny Danny came by and Blake came by and we all had lunch together the five of us introduced those guys so they could geek out and watch it I wrote that down watches. Okay, they talked about a watch or for like 30 minutes straight And it sounded so limited edition so exciting and I really wanted it you were interested Yeah, not because you like watches but because of the limited edition. That's right.

That's right. What kind is it again? Pete something It was a great experience for me because generally I'm the person in that talk Like I'm the one talking about a certain car for 45 minutes Right and so I to get to observe other people that geeked out about something mechanical is it was really funny And just when you thought you had heard about the most exclusive ones that turns out well, then there's also one that's got this engravian on it Tiffany somehow connected. Yeah.

Yeah. I want them all somehow they got in on it Yeah, um speaking of Danny I'm wearing one of his new sweatshirts And uh, he has just great merch just gonna send some people to Danny Ricardo site and the one you're wearing is a I don't know If you put this together, but it's a nascar throwback So of course Daniel Ricardo picked the number three because he loved a urnheart the intimidator And so and at the austin race he got to drive one of dales and ask cars on the track And he had his helmet done up his dale urnheart's helmet And so now he's got sweatshirts that are like kind of a throwback and the back says lick the stamp and that's like his catchphrase They learn hearts. No dannies. It is.

Yeah. Oh, um, it's his like new catchphrase Okay, and we asked when we were on the river before the near death experience right we asked him what meant And I guess this is we're old. Isn't we know I'm older than Danny too. So we're really old But you can't hold on there.

You're two years older than Danny? Yeah, really old. Okay. Yeah, okay And up here too.

He's 89 you're 87 Um, there is a phrase send it. Oh, right. Yes. Yes.

Send it means go big. Yeah jump high jump far Yeah full send send it never heard it. You've obviously heard it Oh, yeah, I've been sending it for a while You could find some pictures of me jumping razors in the dunes from three years ago Where I either write hashtag full send or hashtag send it okay cool. I didn't know about it And he's added lick the stamp send it that's a really good idea.

So it's just before send it like the stamp I love it. I just want to give a shout out to the guy who really made it hugely popular There's this amazing Canadian dude with a fucking really long short long Oh, okay. What else people are also known as a mullet A mullet huge mullet this old shitty snowmobile like a fucking 79 Yamaha 400 a piece of crap And he's in the deep snow and only down him. He'll only wear jig jackets with big bright green oakley glasses And he his whole thing was you know, I'm gonna send it.

I'm gonna send it and he'd get on this piece of shit snowmobile I jumped way too far. It's so dangerous. Oh wow. Yeah, he made it really really popular.

Okay. Okay. That's good giving him credit Yeah, yeah, he deserves it. He I think he's had a lot of injuries to make that expression popular Um, so yeah, Ed's wife's name is cherry blossom cherry And so that's why it's birdie blossom because cherry blossoms and birdie is his manager's wife's name And you have a cherry blossom tattoo.

So it's all a ding ding ding. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh. Oh my gosh No, and then tomorrow I go in for my first.

Oh, you do? Yeah In the channel. Yeah, I haven't gotten one in over a decade. I think and which one are you getting tomorrow?

I think we're gonna start on the crow either the crow or the delta 88 in the Lincoln symbol But all three of those things are happening soon. So I'm not sure where he will want to start. Oh my goodness. What time Like say two two I go in.

Where is it? Unsonset shamrock. You know it's in west Hollywood. Is the crow gonna be black?

It's gonna be blue Oh, which would really make it a raven, but raven crow saying different. Okay. Knock knock knock. I'm not knocking on my chamber door.

Nevermore. Nevermore. Nevermore. Knock knock knock Wow, that's exciting.

It is exciting. It was so funny because Lincoln was saying so initially my told I was gonna get some more tattoos She did not like it. She started crying. Oh, I get it like you love your parent.

You don't want them to change So that was a whole process and then she came around. She's like, you know what I want you to that's you know, you know, you want to do that But what so she she was further telling me that she's supportive now of the thing and she said, but dad you can't get a sleeve You're too old. Oh, I said well, huh? I don't know if I'm too old to have a sleeve and the end goal is a sleeve and She said you're just too old.

You'll look it'll be embarrassing. You're trying to be so cool Wow, that's pretty insightful. That could be the truth. Yeah, I don't disagree with her But I also think you should do it if you want to do it Well, it's cool.

We'll take it as they come beside if it's too much so instead of when we raise So we talked about Guinness in the episode because he has Guinness on tap at his house at his at his never land He doesn't get us for when it comes Guinness neck oil Um, one of that his friends dad. Yeah, and then another one. I forget and one was at a bar We went into though and you'd regret it not trying neck oil. Yeah, because Danny said you got to try it And then I just got wine But then there's so kind of you I really of course I wanted to have a pint in England is what it really was And I just kept saying to you why I don't I don't want you to miss having a pint while you're here You really wanted I really wanted you to yeah, and we stopped at a place And you got yourself a pint of Guinness.

Yeah, and um, it was so generous of you You didn't even participate in this and you took a couple steps and I was really proud. I had to give it to you. Yeah. Yeah, you didn't want it No, I didn't it It's a it's a bit heavy for me.

Yeah, it's a heavy longer And I was explaining to you that they prescribed it when you're in the hospital by the day because of its high iron content and nutritious value And I was my thighs were around they were in the they were swarming So you needed some iron chair. Yeah, it was good for me. Probably helped things out Oh, okay. So we also talk about hot ones first of all love hot ones so much and you said you're legendary on it But you are but I wanted to read the best hot ones guests ever There's a couple of different like, you know sites that are ranked, but here's what here's one of them.

Okay, okay, Paul Rudd Number one. I've seen that one Shilah Labuth Gordon Ramsey, okay, Terry Cruz, Kristen Bell, Aubrey Plaza, Stone Cold Steve Austin, Nick Offerman, Charlize Theron Scarlett Johansson, Halle Berry, Jordan Peele, Neil DeGrasse Tyson, man. He gets people Steve O Ken Zhang, Dax Shepard. Did you read this list just to make me feel terrible?

You're on it. I'm like 25th. I'm the only person asked for an extra wing with extra hot socks. Okay, first of all I'm under 11 while I was there First of all, I just looked this up right now.

So I didn't know it was gonna set up to know why do you think that I would never do that Also, you should be proud you're on this list. I think it's just a list of now everyone that's ever been on it. No, they've interviewed like 300 people. Okay, all right.

Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.

You're 16 It's just Elba Keegan, Michael Key, Alton Brown, Russell Crow. There are a lot of people on here. 25. Okay.

Um Russell Crow, Bert Kreischer, Eric Andre, Post Malone, Chili Klaus. Oh, Chili Klaus is famous. Who's Chili Klaus? He's like a German pepper when he eats it.