Educating for Societal Design - A Conversation with Emily Harris and Martin Lorenz

There are lots of reasons why well-intentioned work, trying to do things differently and shift the way that systems currently operate, often struggle and fail. But one of the reasons that I find most interesting is to look at the "dark matter" or deep codes that are built into our current ways of working. These might be things like the way we do contracts, the way insurance functions, and legal precedents. Or the way that value is defined and accounted for, and the way money functions and flows. Most of the time these things are simply constraints that we are told we just have to deal with in our work. But as you might have heard in a previous episode with Indy Johar and Adam Purvis (https://www.goodimpactlabs.com/podcast/indy-johar-and-adam-purvis), organisations like Dark Matter Labs are not accepting this status quo and, in fact, are actively trying to work towards redesigning these deep codes. But then you might say: “Well that's fine for those kinds of organisations who get to do that work, but that's not something that I can get involved with.” My guests this week are  colleagues of Adam and Indy at Dark Matter Labs, but they are taking it one stage further and asking the question, what does it mean to educate for building the capabilities and sensibilities for this kind of work. They are calling it “societal design” and in this conversation you'll hear them reflecting on the Masters programme that they are launching this September, in collaboration with Elisava Barcelona School of Design and Engineering. Applications are open until July 15th 2026. For further information about this and Emily and Martin’s other work, check out the links below.Martin and Emily’s ‘Anti-Brief’ website: https://anti-brief.org/Further links about the Societal Design Master Degree Programme at Elisava, Barcelona at UVic: University of Vic - Central University of Catalonia.https://www.elisava.net/en/masters/master-in-societal-design/ https://anti-brief.org/about/ https://www.linkedin.com/company/societal-design-master-at-elisava/posts/ Martin on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/drmartinlorenz/ Emily on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/emily-harris-fca-3b381565/ Dark Matter Labs: https://darkmatterlabs.org/Life-Enobling Economics microsite: https://lee.darkmatterlabs.org/Cornerstone Indicators report (2023): https://drive.google.com/file/d/176CNiZYM1v2xcEzDVO4SHuEfRQoosCVL/view Cornerstone Indicators microsite: https://cornerstoneindicators.com/