EPISODE · Jul 22, 2025 · 1H 13M
Elan Barenholtz and William Hahn: Your Thoughts Were Never Your Own
from Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal · host Theories of Everything
Elan Barenholtz and William Hahn argue that language functions as a self‑generating organism that writes its own software into our minds, shaping cognition and behavior. Drawing on large language models, autoregression, and cognitive science, they suggest memory, self and even concepts of God are merely informational tokens.- 00:00 - Introduction- 05:28 - The Nature of Autoregression- 10:14 - Memory and Cognition Redefined- 11:28 - The Role of Language Models- 14:23 - Exploring Consciousness and Software- 26:22 - The Evolution of Language- 38:08 - Language: A Cultural Artifact- 54:19 - The Power and Danger of Language- 1:02:52 - Embracing Uncertainty in Knowledge- 1:04:59 - Courage to Believe in Ideas- 1:09:30 - Support and Engagement with ContentSPONSORS:- I personally subscribe to The Economist. TOE listeners get 35% off the annual subscription. No other podcast has this! https://economist.com/TOERESOURCES:- Join My New Substack (Personal Writings): https://curtjaimungal.substack.com- Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4gL14b92xAErofYQA7bU4e- Elan's Substack: https://elanbarenholtz.substack.com/- Elan's Papers: https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=2grAjZsAAAAJ&hl=en- William's Blog: https://hahn.ai/blog/index.html- Ekkolapto's Site: https://www.ekkolapto.org/- Andrés Emilsson [TOE]: https://youtu.be/BBP8WZpYp0Y- Elan Barenholtz [TOE]: https://youtu.be/A36OumnSrWY- Anna Ciaunica & Michael Levin [TOE]: https://youtu.be/2aLhkm6QUgA- William Hahn [TOE]: https://youtu.be/3fkg0uTA3qU- Michael Levin's Presentation [TOE]: https://youtu.be/Exdz2HKP7u0- Stephen Wolfram [TOE]: https://youtu.be/0YRlQQw0d-4- Geoffrey Hinton [TOE]: https://youtu.be/b_DUft-BdIE- Ai Panel [TOE]: https://youtu.be/abzXzPBW4_s- Joscha Bach & Ben Goertzel [TOE]: https://youtu.be/xw7omaQ8SgA- Noam Chomsky [TOE]: https://youtu.be/DQuiso493ro- Michael Levin Solo [TOE]: https://youtu.be/c8iFtaltX-s- Consciousness Iceberg [TOE]: https://youtu.be/65yjqIDghEk- Joscha Bach [TOE]: https://youtu.be/3MNBxfrmfmI- Scott Aaronson [TOE]: https://youtu.be/gGsh0_-q7LI- Iain McGilchrist [TOE]: https://youtu.be/Q9sBKCd2HD0- The Master and His Emissary [Book]: https://www.amazon.com/Master-His-Emissary-Divided-Western/dp/0300188374- Michael Levin & Karl Friston [TOE]: https://youtu.be/0yOV9Pzk2zw- Shape Rotators vs Wordcels [Article]: https://sasamilic.medium.com/some-thoughts-on-the-shape-rotator-vs-worcel-meme-f320261a21cd Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal features long-form, technically detailed interviews with leading researchers in physics, mathematics, consciousness, and philosophy, exploring topics at the level of active research. For academics, graduate students, and anyone seeking depth beyond popular science. - Crypto: https://nowpayments.io/donation/TOE Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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Elan Barenholtz and William Hahn argue that language functions as a self‑generating organism that writes its own software into our minds, shaping cognition and behavior. Drawing on large language models, autoregression, and cognitive science, they suggest memory, self and even concepts of God are merely informational tokens.- 00:00 - Introduction- 05:28 - The Nature of Autoregression- 10:14 - Memory and Cognition Redefined- 11:28 - The Role of Language Models- 14:23 - Exploring Consciousness and Software- 26:22 - The Evolution of Language- 38:08 - Language: A Cultural Artifact- 54:19 - The Power and Danger of Language- 1:02:52 - Embracing Uncertainty in Knowledge- 1:04:59 - Courage to Believe in Ideas- 1:09:30 - Support and Engagement with ContentSPONSORS:- I personally subscribe to The Economist. TOE listeners get 35% off the annual subscription. No other podcast has this! https://economist.com/TOERESOURCES:- Join My New Substack (Personal Writings): https://curtjaimungal.substack.com- Listen on Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/4gL14b92xAErofYQA7bU4e- Elan's Substack: https://elanbarenholtz.substack.com/- Elan's Papers: https://scholar.google.com/citations?user=2grAjZsAAAAJ&hl=en- William's Blog: https://hahn.ai/blog/index.html- Ekkolapto's Site: https://www.ekkolapto.org/- Andrés Emilsson [TOE]: https://youtu.be/BBP8WZpYp0Y- Elan Barenholtz [TOE]: https://youtu.be/A36OumnSrWY- Anna Ciaunica & Michael Levin [TOE]: https://youtu.be/2aLhkm6QUgA- William Hahn [TOE]: https://youtu.be/3fkg0uTA3qU- Michael Levin's Presentation [TOE]: https://youtu.be/Exdz2HKP7u0- Stephen Wolfram [TOE]: https://youtu.be/0YRlQQw0d-4- Geoffrey Hinton [TOE]: https://youtu.be/b_DUft-BdIE- Ai Panel [TOE]: https://youtu.be/abzXzPBW4_s- Joscha Bach & Ben Goertzel [TOE]: https://youtu.be/xw7omaQ8SgA- Noam Chomsky [TOE]: https://youtu.be/DQuiso493ro- Michael Levin Solo [TOE]: https://youtu.be/c8iFtaltX-s- Consciousness Iceberg [TOE]: https://youtu.be/65yjqIDghEk- Joscha Bach [TOE]: https://youtu.be/3MNBxfrmfmI- Scott Aaronson [TOE]: https://youtu.be/gGsh0_-q7LI- Iain McGilchrist [TOE]: https://youtu.be/Q9sBKCd2HD0- The Master and His Emissary [Book]: https://www.amazon.com/Master-His-Emissary-Divided-Western/dp/0300188374- Michael Levin & Karl Friston [TOE]: https://youtu.be/0yOV9Pzk2zw- Shape Rotators vs Wordcels [Article]: https://sasamilic.medium.com/some-thoughts-on-the-shape-rotator-vs-worcel-meme-f320261a21cd Theories of Everything with Curt Jaimungal features long-form, technically detailed interviews with leading researchers in physics, mathematics, consciousness, and philosophy, exploring topics at the level of active research. For academics, graduate students, and anyone seeking depth beyond popular science. - Crypto: https://nowpayments.io/donation/TOE Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices
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