Eliza McCardle Johnson and Martha Johnson Patterson

Eliza giving us quiet, gentle and smart behind the scenes. Martha giving us an entire portrait gallery. Insane that Eliza taught our 17 president to read and write and was basically chief of staff of Andrew Johnson's life. Martha, begging for parties but gratefully reading the room of a mourning America. We discuss reconstruction, the first impeachment and cows living on the White House front lawn.  Also! We run our HALF MARATHON.