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I'm Sal, and with me is Joel, Cave to Joel, and Joel from The Bookcast. If you haven't already, you should definitely check out the description box below this video to subscribe to Joel's solo show. It's a Cave to Joel. It's a cave to Joel.
I don't know, it's down there. It is a dash because I'm trying to rip off Spider-Man and I'm trying to be very clever by putting punctuation in there. That hyphenate has dogged him forever. I remember my comic-retailer has been pushing for them to drop a hyphenate and I'm like, No, his name isn't Leroy Spider-Man, who also sells like state farm insurance.
He's Spider-Man. Just like Batman originally had a hyphen. Like the old Batman title is Batman because it's like, it's not a Batman. But he could be.
He could be Batman. Despite what Bane says in the Dark Knight Rises. Oh, Batman. I don't know if you've been keeping up with Superman, but obviously because he's not like Superman.
And he can't be Clark Pendent anymore. He's had to ditch that idea. He's calling himself now. Do you know what he's calling himself now?
No, I know I do. He's calling himself John Clark. All right. Yeah, I know.
And DC's like whatever. Put him back in the cave and end it. No, I'm John Clark now. I'm gonna get a lot of use out of this.
Me and my buddy Jack Batlin. Yes. Yeah, that's exactly. Thank you.
Jack Batlin. Thank you. Superman took his own Jack Batlin name as what he taught. And people will remember it.
I'm sure Justice Fonling is there. They remember that time. Which is funny because they only mentioned this other name in the pages of Batman Superman. They haven't mentioned it in any of the other books.
I'm sure. But today's topic is actually since we're taking up the weekly post time slot right now, but we're not taking their space. I didn't want to go that dark with it and be like, hey, we're just we're just taking over. It's weekly pool comic five, Joel, take over Matt and time now.
But no, if you are tuning in here expecting to see the weekly poll, I'm sorry to say you will be disappointed because Rob, Benny and Faust are all unavailable. And so I figured why not just do this? I mean, we were probably gonna do this tomorrow. Exactly.
I was planning on tomorrow being the show. So what the hell you got an early show? Yeah, and this is actually better for me too because Wednesday is obviously my review day over on comic book cast when we try and review every single thing that comes out. Oh man.
Yeah, that is undertaking. It is that that's why we have 20 people who work for us. Exactly. Yeah, that's why you have an army.
Yeah, Wednesday actually didn't was was gonna work out, but I was like, I'd like to have the leeway because Tiffany has work off work. So we're just gonna like hang out. Oh, that's nice. That's nice.
I mean, you know, taking the weekly pool time slot. Hey, come watch us everybody. Yeah, at least two other people you are already have two thumbs down. So at least two people don't like us.
Not weekly poll unsubscribed. Like fair enough, man. Sorry. That's fine.
The other reason we're not. Yeah, but the other reason why I figured it would be inappropriate to talk about the weekly poll is because beyond the weekly poll is because today's topic is actually 90s cartoons. And it's so it's so categorically not comics, but in the same wheelhouse. I figure what the hell we'll talk about it.
And arguably some of the best comic book animated series ever came out in that. Can I argue with that? I asked in the previous episode for the chat to give us some of their picks. I wrote down a couple.
Joel and I probably have our favorites and some of them probably will not coincide with those, but I did make it I will make an effort to at least address them in some way. I watched a lot of TV in the 90s like a lot. So I wouldn't be surprised. I don't think they can stump me.
I just show on there that can stump me. Oh, no. Oh, no, there was no attempt to stump. It was all just shows that and trust me like my yeah, when I grew up, yeah, let's talk about our experience watching 90s cartoons and in the comments below.
I'm sure you can do the same or actually on the side right now. But in the comments, if you're watching this after the fact, are my origins in watching 90s cartoons is simply just it was Saturday morning and they were on. It was actually a good segue from the 80s when I also watched cartoons in the morning on Saturdays. My parents were very much of the mindset that I should be outside doing more.
Yeah, and they really push that and I had to take those awful like required weekend sports that you're that so many of some of our ilk were subjected to early on in our careers. And I always was like, oh boy, a rain day or oh boy, I quit the team and don't have to deal with this anymore. I'm like, watch this again. But the 90s was when I was like, I don't think it's ever gonna stop.
I think like this gravy train is never gonna come into the station. When they made a big guy in rusty animated series. I know. I was like, oh my god, this is the time to be alive.
Little do I realize that not maybe like 20 years later, they make a Avengers movie. I know, right. But back then, like we had our comic book related joys. I mean, obviously we had pretty much our soap opera, which was the X-Men animated series.
Oh, of course, of course. That was like 92, 94, I think, where they just pretty much, I don't know who that was in charge back then. But someone at Fox Kids is like, I just want you to take these classic X-Men arcs and just do it. Yep, just do them.
Just do them all. And I want to start from the like, Jim Lee, Chris Claremont, 1992 X-Men era and just go from there. So the X-Men team, the original X-Men, of course, being Angel, Iceman, Cyclops, Marvel Girl, and Beast, and Professor X, you know, like so many people grew up not even having any idea about Iceman or Angel or like, I don't know, their original X-Men were people like Jubilee and Gambit. Poor big at the time.
And they still, I think, are coasting on that love even to this day. On question, please, though, definitely Gambit. Yeah. And I'll also say one of the things that caught my eye recently when watching, when reviewing it was, in the opening credits, which has, I think, one of the arguably top five greatest animated series themed songs ever.
Oh yeah, so do, do, do, do, do, so, when, so do, like, when day's be Japan came out somebody made like a 60s, like, classical music version of it overlaid, overlaying, like, a Ministry and candidate opening credit sequence. I was like, this is freaking amazing way to go, guys. But yeah, but over that crawl when Gambit came up his comic book logo title came up. And I remember thinking to myself, like, wow, what a coincidence that the Gambit Solo series has the same logo.
Oh, well, that was definitely a concert ever. Even back then, Marvel was all about the multimedia knowing who to push. That's right. That's right.
But the X-Men M8 series lasted forever. It feels like it lasted longer than I watched it. Let's put it that way. Yeah, I guess that's very...
I haven't gone back and re-watched it in a long time, but there was a lot of episodes and a lot of arcs. And like you said, it was a soap opera and it was kind of like reading an actual comic where you had to come back every week. It really was. That was the epic part was like, there were some episodes, many episodes, where...
Not a single punch was thrown. But Wolverine would certainly cradle a photograph and like, that space and go, I miss you, while wearing head to toe body armor and spandex. Have you seen the meme because that picture is now a meme now, Wolverine holding the picture and doing the thing like that has now become even outside the show? Yeah, people being like, there was like, this looks like a cartoon.
Was there a cartoon? Because this is hilarious. Yeah, more so than this is for you, more is Wolverine cradling the photograph. Which this is for you, more of is still great.
That's obviously one of my favorite quotes. It also would eventually spawn a meme that lasted maybe two years, but within that... And then right after it died, X-Men the last man would capitalize on it, which was the Juggernaut Bitch? Oh yeah, all the Juggernaut.
B-Junes. Yeah, that whole thing. Which was funny the first two or three minutes and then turned into garbage. Yeah, when the movie actually does it, it's like, yeah, that's the nail in the old coffin is what that is.
When your parents start taking it to the enspler and they're like, okay, let's do the macareta and you're... Or the doggy or whatever else. It's like, yeah. It's like, oh, okay, well that's done.
Thanks, Mom. Thanks, Fox News. Thanks for bringing Brett and her thanks for killing it. Yeah, but 90 cartoons for me represented like...
It was almost like having nerd cred during a period where you weren't even aware of that concept. I know, right? And it's like, in terms of just like content and artistry and like trying to make a lot of shows for all ages audiences, we haven't really recaptured that again. And I think, like, especially in the early 90s, it was this glorious time in pop culture that a lot of people aren't gonna remember that was pre-Columbine, pre-9-11.
But it was like, okay, we're not gonna blame the cartoons for all the ills of the world. So they actually got to get away with some stuff that they couldn't. They could be a little subversive and they could push some stuff in some weird and interesting directions. Not only that, but they were also kind of climbing off the heels of the Reagan era of trying to use popular culture and media to affect change in the culture.
I cite the gun initiative. And what I mean by that is, for a long time, in every facet of pop culture, especially with comics but in cartoons as well, if you grew up during that period, you might remember, or if you didn't grow up in that period, you'd be found this stuff, you might also catch random very incongruous episodes in which a character used, misused or questioned the use of a gun, there was an episode of a Batman made series in which the under dwellers, I believe, is the episode, or the fagin and his children or whoever he was supposed to be. That's stupid, sewer king bad guy who they never used again. Yeah, well, thank God.
I'm actually really, really impressed with their ability to not use that character again. But really, There was a sewer king in Hey Arnold too, and he looked almost exactly the same as the funny thing. That's hilarious. I bet they were like, yeah, let's use the sewer king from this stupid thing for this episode.
Are they gonna sue us for it? No, it's the friggin sewer king. No one wants it. But there was in that episode, one of the little boys separated from the collective and Batman takes him into the bat cave and leaves him and Alfred's care.
Yeah, and the boy. That's damn good sir, get parenting is what that is. That's hilarious and gives you an indication as to what he did with Robin back. Yeah, Alfred, I've taken another young boy.
Take care of him. Incidentally, Batman makes no attempt at that episode to train and then make him into a Robin, which I think is interesting. Which is like, no, you don't get to be only dick gets to be. Yeah, only dick and back then, we're talking about being PC.
Like while it was kind of a golden age of free Columbine, you know, let's not protect everybody, they were also very much hyper aware of kids ability to emulate cartoons and which is why Robin during the Batman and Made series era was not allowed to be a little kid and why Robin had to be like high school college age. Which they did some cool stuff with that anyway by making them college age. I didn't make it way better because they owned it. They allowed it to be like a new teen Titans era Robin or a Tim Drake ton of Robin in the persona of Dick Grayson.
And it allowed that Robin to be even more interesting and exciting for a kid because you're like, it's not like you're putting yourself in the shoes of Batman's junior partner. It's more like one day you can aspire to be Robin. And you can hang out with Batman and be like his buddy and everything and go drinking with him based on that. Yeah, your peers as opposed to him being like your your your Sir get father.
Yeah, yeah. Dad taking you to really inappropriate locations or dickish older brother depending on how you want to look at that. It's true. But in that underwhelming episode the kid finds an elephant gun or something that I guess was a trophy of his father's.
I'm assuming that his dad had like that Thomas Wayne had no similar problem with guns and as a captain as trophies in the trophy room and the kid takes one of the guns off the shelf and joyfully points it at Alfred. Yeah, yeah, I remember that. Scares the pants off Alfred but then Batman appears takes it away and just says a bumper sticker quote which is kids and guns do not mix. No, which to be fair if any hero has the right to say that is bad.
It's bad and it was a very organic yet still obvious like outside force to get this agenda driven into the episode because yeah, you can tell they were like do a gun episode do a gun warning episode. Well, I was gonna say that was also like a child poverty episode too that just happened to have like a gun side to a vehicle coming from. And I know this because I've seen there was a channel I don't know if it still exists anymore but it was called Jex. Yeah, yeah, I remember Jex.
I remember Jex. I was like, oh, this is my channel because it's showing old cartoons that I used to like and one of them like they had a regular schedule programming Batman in series. So they cut the shows down. Oh, no.
Inappropriate moments and so the other episode came on. I'm like, oh, Tiffany, you're gonna love this. He points a gun straight Alfred. They cut the whole sequence.
Why don't you just piss on the gospel? Why don't you? Well, and it's like, we're not celebrating the use of guns. This is an anti-gun message.
It's a learning moment. This is actually what you want and they cut it because it was inappropriate. That's how peace and things got. That's unfortunate.
That's sick. But yeah, because that's a good moment. Although it's funny, we're talking all this praise for under-dwellers, an episode that is often ranked on the top 10 worst and for good reasons because the rest of the episode is kind of broken and doesn't work. Yeah, but they use the A squad for animation.
So I will always love that episode. That for me, I really like that episode and the reason is because it hearkens for me back to 1930s, 40s, Arab Batman. Yeah. When the when Fagin falls into the crocodile pit and he just says, a gruesome fate for a gruesome man.
That's one word for word. When Batman defeats Dr. Death knocks him in the face, he falls into his chemicals and burns alive. And Batman says, death for Dr.
Death. And you're like, whoa. Back in the age of super-dickery. Yeah.
You're like, whoa, Batman. What happened to your anti-death thing? And he's like, it's funny. In that same episode too, Batman friggin breaks the jaw of a crocodile by opening it, wait, too big.
I'm like, whoa. He does gonna have some words for Batman. Batman totally pulled the King Kong. If I can kill that, that Croc dead.
It was awesome. I mean, in fear of the Croc came at him first. It was self-defense, but I mean, jeez. But Batman is no friend to animals.
No. I think that they later animated him swimming away in defeat, but he killed that Croc. He murdered the living hack out of that Croc. And I'll never forget it too, because when he reaches critical mass, its eyes flare open.
Yes, it does. Oh, yeah. That goes limp. Children's cartoons, everybody.
Another thing that got me about that episode, another reason why I think it ends up on really low risk, is that when Batman finally corners the fag in character when he corners sewer King, he's like, no, never more in my life if I wanted to take the life of a bad guy right now. And this was very early on in Batman's run. I'm like, really? More than the Joker?
Yeah. More than any of these, this guy, this lame villain who would never show up again, is the guy who's making you quest in your no-kill rule. Really? He exploited the use.
He's exploited children and made them live in the sewers and steal for people. Like, this is a predator. He's a child predator. He did have a child army and he did dress like pure pants.
Yeah, a little creepy. A little creepy. And you know what? Maybe it's just, this is one of those examples of Batman's fear policy actually being effective, as opposed to just no one taking him seriously.
This guy was like, holy crap, I'm never going to do that again. I'm never going to build a child army. I'm never going to. Well, I'm never going to like try to steal or, I mean, the other thing is they probably threw the book out of traditionally speaking.
Yeah, I mean, they locked him up in black gate, not Arkham or something. Yeah, exactly. Yeah, he's not going anywhere. But as far as PC, Shikayner, he goes, or gun safety and other like PC safety kind of things, they did a gun episode in the Gargoyles cartoon show.
Yeah, the chat was talking about that. That's an excellent episode. I owned that episode on VHS and watched that one to death. That was a really solid one.
Nice. I feel bad talking about Gargoyles because Tiffany's not here. She was the huge Gargoyles fan. I was a fan, but not enough.
You know what I mean? I dug Gargoyles and I watched it all the time. But once they got in that boat, I went through the shores of Avalon. Yeah.
For me, it's like when the Phoenix saga came on on X-Men. I'm like, we're on part eight of 16. I'm out. And yet still, I will take that over the Goliath Chronicles, which is the season that Wiseman had nothing to do with it.
And once you kick the original creator off the show, you can't know. Yeah. It's like the gas leak year for community. You just ignore it.
It's like the final season of Boondocks where it's like, oh, really, Aaron Magruder had nothing to do with this. You mean the guy who created the comic strip this is based on and who had a hand in every of the original episode is gone. OK. Yeah.
Well, then I guess I'm not watching. Yeah. Oh, I watched it. It was terrible.
Like every episode was more terrible than the next. I'm like, why am I giving this to myself? Yeah. Back to Gargoyle.
Gargoyle's amazing show. And once again, it's funny. You think about where Disney is now. Where Disney just said, ah, screw it.
I got a trillion dollars. I'll spend some of it to buy Boy franchise. Yeah. Screw making our own Boy franchise.
We'll just buy other people's. Because Gargoyle's and because Disney actually did a damn good job, especially in the 90s of creating franchises out of it. They really did. Almost out of thin air, but even more miraculously from franchises that started in the 50s and 60s.
Like frigging tail spin and like Dark Wing Duck. Yeah. Like turning the jungle book into Adventure Monkey Island. Actually, because it's a show that literally is tail spin.
That is like live action and stars the dad from, no, seventh heaven. And it was called like Adventures of Monkey Island or Tales from Monkey Island, something like that. And it never made it. But it was a show that was literally tail spin.
Blue was that guy. And it was just, yeah. That's hilarious. I mean, Dark Wing Duck and I would also say the tick are brilliant and brilliant for reasons no one ever gives them credit for.
And that is that they were parroting the superhero cartoon boom that was happening at that moment. Yep. I remember when I try to think of other like superhero parodies that came out in recent years and me saying things like, I've seen this before a lot sooner. Like I saw this in the tick well before they started doing that.
It's true that the tick predicted a lot of stuff and did like a lot of stuff that other shows would start doing. Yeah. The tick is a, well, let's get into the tick after we talk about just Disney's Renaissance, if you will, of TV. Which, it was never really that good again.
Was it for Disney animation? I mean, obviously they still got the movies and everything and all that other stuff. Yeah, during that period, that was Disney, I think Disney's high point has never been higher originally speaking when it came to like the early to mid 90s. Because that's where the afternoon.
The afternoon was. It was. It was. The afternoon.
Yeah. Not only Disney afternoon, but also Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast. And made it serious. Yeah.
You also have like those movies where it's like Aladdin and Lion King and you're like, oh, it can never be better than this. And in fact, you were right. I mean, they're getting pretty good again, but even still. But only because they have Pixar, for me, I don't know.
I've not enjoyed an original Disney movie since I guess Atlantis. Oh, wow. They're going way back there. Not even frozen.
Not even frozen. No, don't get me wrong. Atlantis is super underrated. It's on Netflix now everybody.
Oh, definitely watching it happen, by the way. Yeah, we're really not even frozen. Not even Princess in the Frog. I saw Frozen.
Really, you didn't. And I guess now it's going to be way too built up for you if you do see it. Oh, there's no way it can be what everyone says it is. But I was like, I liked Tangled.
I enjoyed it. I thought it was a nice movie. It was fun, original, cute, and made a considerable step forward from the wake of Pixar's very, very brief departure. Yeah, yeah.
But as far as Pixar and Disney go, Finding Nemo, Wally, Incredibles, the Toy Story franchise, I don't credit Disney with those. That's those guys. That's came from their wheelhouse. Again, I don't know if you've ever seen that, Princess in the Frog.
OK, see, thematically, that one is super underrated because you're dealing with your first Princess of color and her dad played by like, Todd Howard. Not Todd Howard, but no, not you David. You would. Opers for Mom, but the guy from the first Rody, the first Rody.
Oh, Tom Howard. Tom Howard. Yeah, the first. Her turn tower.
Her turn tower. Her turn tower tower. And he says, it's like, look, you know, she's wishing on a star. She's doing the classic Disney Princess thing.
And her dad comes in and is like, look, honey, you're wishing on stars is great and everything. But you know what? You actually got to go out there and make it happen. Wink, wink.
And I'm like, so this is a whole subversion of the wish on a star thing from Disney. And it's even better because the villain of that movie is like a voodoo witch doctor, boys, like David who does an amazing job, sings his own song. It was also the live thing, Gargoyle. Well, yes.
And his whole deal is that he's an evil voodoo practitioner who has basically sold his soul and leased his soul to so many different demons, like taking the shortcuts and like, you know, kind of not working for what he's got. And I'm like, oh, this is really clever. And I think that was lost on way too many people. Yeah, that's probably true.
The other thing is you got to have a dynamite soundtrack for one of those movies. And I don't know. They had like two good songs on that one. The Rest Were Forgettable.
The villain song was good. And the hero song was good. The rest were like, meh. That's how I feel with a movie like Little Mermaid, like Ursula's song, fucking trumps the old down.
Four unfortunate souls. It's a showstopper. It is a showstopper. That is a true diva battle.
But yeah, so Disney afternoon rocked. Darkwing Duck was a show that blew my mind. And not just because of how it like played with the superhero genre, but also because I just finished watching Duck Tails and Duck Tails ends. And then launch pad shows up in that show.
That blew my comic book centric mind because I'm like, oh shit, it's all. It's a continuity. Yeah. And I'm like, oh, this is great.
And I thought, and honestly, because I also, when you grow up with cartoons when you grow the comic books, and especially with TV, you know that things can't always, continuity is great and all, but everything's got to be self-contained. Everything has to be back where it was before, so that anyone can jump in. For me, I was like, cool, launch pad is in this episode. It's in the pilot for Darkwing Duck.
Things on the show as a sidekick. And I'm like, oh, anything can happen now. All bets are off. And then later, when they bring in like gizmo.com, you would go, OK, man, you're like, OK.
No, no, once the launch pad comes into Darkwing Duck, you go, oh, well, then all bets are off. Like, everyone can show. Scrooge McDuck can have a cameo in this thing. I don't know if he ever did, but I do know that gizmo duck was definitely like a frustrating antagonist for Darkwing.
Yeah, which is amazing. Friggin' Jim Cummings, man, just so like a legendary voice actor was also in Princess and the Frog, ironically. Jim Cummings has done everything forever. He's the shocker.
He's the frickin' shocker. He's the shocker. I mean, trust me. Once you grew up with these voices, like Rob Paulson, Jim Cummings, Tracy McNeil.
Tracy McNeil. These voices, you'll hear them play different characters, and they do a dynamite job, but you know it's them. And you can pick them out from everything. Rob Paulson was another voice.
Let's talk about Jim Cummings. Winnie the Pooh. Yeah, and he's Tigger now, too, because the original Tigger actor passed away, so now he's both. So he's both.
So he plays both. I think Ed Astner was one of them anyway. Oh, Ed Astner was brilliant from the DC universe to everything else. Again, Ed Astner wasn't boondocks before his death.
Ed Astner Cosgrove on Frigazoid. That's right. He's another superhero cartoon show from the 90s. That was amazing.
And I think that I cite Frigazoid and maniacs in Tiny Tunes as kind of Warner Brothers attempt to replicate the Disney afternoon formula. And also kind of grow their thing and pass the torch from the original Looney Tunes to the next generation, even though that never picked up, because those characters aren't nearly as bankable. It would seem. Apparently not.
It's funny that Warner Brothers would go millennial. Would go 2000, if you will, that they opted instead to make an anime space adventure. Oh, lunatics unleashed. Yeah, I remember that.
Loonatics, rather than just aging the Tiny Tunes and doing something with that. I guess because of how cemented they were in the 90s. But you could have, if you wanted to do a narrative with the Looney Tunes, you could have easily been like, OK, it's Tiny Tunes, but now they're in a high school or college and make it really angsty. Oh, gee.
Make everyone's wearing flannel and one's playing guitars. Yeah, everyone's from Seattle and they're all just like, we were lied to, man. They told me I was going to be the next Bugs Bunny. But you know what?
I'm just buster. Like, see, why did no one do that? That's amazing. What a missed opportunity.
Which thing is the two? Especially because Tiny Tunes had some amazing cards in there. Like, I'm pretty sure in an episode they say there's a reason Bugs Bunny doesn't get any older. And that's because the Cheers and the applause keep him young forever.
Ruh, yes. Man, like, Warner Brothers animation, when I cut. OK, I applaud both studios and their ability back then, especially to create these iconic, not iconic, because they don't last forever, but these subversive, intelligent, original, high concept creations. Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah. Apparently, let's tell what Frick is like. Frick is like, it was a pitch from Bruce Tim to be like a superhero show. He wanted it to be serious.
And Spielberg came in. It's like, yeah, I'm going to use your design. Yeah. But I'm thinking more like a Jerry Lewis in the animated form.
And Bruce Tim's like, goodbye. I want to make it constantly. Imagine what that show could have been like if he stayed. Like maybe Frick is what could have been the definitive hero of the 90s.
Yeah. I mean, like, Frick is like, could have been the next plastic man. A high bar indeed. That said, I'm so glad that Spielberg did take it away, because Frick is like, is fucking hilarious.
Wonderfully chaotic and just insane stream of conscious, which is hilarious because Frick is like, gets his power from the early internet. And he is basically today's internet encapsulated. Yeah, it's amazing how, because if you were growing up during that time or if you came after these cartoons, you know the internet to be a very different beast from what it was in 1994. And what it was promised in 1994.
In 1994, the internet was basically the internet, the information super highway. You could download information about dinosaurs, order flowers for your aunt, and also get tickets for the game all on America Online. These were the places where the collective knowledge and experience of the human race were available at the click of a button and the high-pitched whale of your computers talking to each other. Mm.
When people use a whole generation of kids who don't know what that modem sound means. Yeah. When Dexter Douglas gets- Nerd computer race. Nerd computer race gets downloaded into the internet.
He does not become a hyper-intelligent- God child. Yeah, which is, if they made a movie about that today. About that today. About that, back then.
Back then, if in 1992, they were like, we're making a movie about a guy who gets sucked into the internet. He would be like, well, I'm more man. Where he's like, god here, I know everything and can subvert God himself. Like, that's what they would have done.
But no, for some reason, they were like, no struff fucking dumbass and made him into a meme machine. A maniac who just spouts pop culture references and is just random all the time. Yeah, he is an ADD Fed meme factory. He is Reddit, Fort Chan, and like, Eisken has Cheeseburger all rolled up to one.
Yeah, exactly. And how freaking high concept is that? Incredibly. But I love, I love Frigga's, I love most of that is from the actor whose name is Kasey at the moment.
But like. Yeah, it was Paulson who was Frigga's, wasn't he? It was not Paulson. It was not Paulson.
Yeah, Paulson was Yacko. The guy who played Frigga's, maybe the jack had helped us out. But like, amazing. Oh, Ruger's Ruger.
It was Tom Ruger, I'm pretty sure. He is so great. And if you have the opportunity to get the DVD, listen to the commentary for the first episode or pilot, because that first episode, I don't think that there's, every episode of Frigga's, after that, is great. But none are so great as the first episode, because it never quite gets as ridiculous as it does in the first episode, as random and unpredictable as the first episode was.
And the commentary for it is charming, because they just talk about, because it's gone. The show's over, it's dead. They're recording it well after the show aired. And they're just remembering it and enjoying it.
And they're talking about all the random, Jerry Lewis and old school comedian jokes that Frigga's making. And they talk about how one of brothers and Spielberg are like, we want to make this new, fun, hilarious character that the kids are all going to want to be. And he goes, and like, what are the quotes? And no, and what child doesn't love an old Jerry Lewis gag?
Of course, right. And he's like, but that's what I'm doing. And then there's the moment where they're at the prom and Frigga's going to defeat Caveman or whatever. Cave guy.
Cave guy, surprisingly sophisticated. Right, hilarious. He's the scared. Let's go out to the new York girl.
He defeats Cave guy with sheer randomness and starts yodling and yiddish. Yeah, yeah, down down. Everybody down. Everybody on this side of the room.
And there's this, what he's doing that, there's just this pause in the commentary. He goes, here's where the wheels come off. Yeah, right there at that point. Like, we might have had a show, but now it's just a joke.
Oh, Candlejack's another amazing show. Oh, you can't say it. Although I've decided so he should be coming and taking me away. I didn't mean to say can't it.
Slender Man before Slender Man. Yeah, again, amazing. And it's brilliant character design. Clearly inspired by the Phantasm.
Thanks, Bruce Tim for drawing your Phantasm character. For recycling a lot. A lot of those designs were great. Like, again, there was Cave guy, there was Candlejack.
There was Ricardo Montabon who played like the Evil Freak, as the way I love that. And doing just his Con voice. Right. And the Loeb played by David Warner, who was the racial ghoul.
Every time racial ghoul is cast on a cartoon, I'm like, where did you get every day of the Warner? Like, what do we have? I did. He's perfect.
Yeah, detective. Like, oh, unbelievable. But I want to say that Frigazoid just used character models from shows that were canceled. Yeah, yeah.
He said, I just put him in this shit. I don't care. Now, have you heard the great legend of this, that in the opening credits for Frigazoid, you can clearly see a female Frigazoid. Yeah, for a season that was never made.
Yep. Yep. There it's like, yeah, don't forget Frigazette. And it's like, who?
I've heard a lot of great rumors about that character that was supposed to be his on-get-off-again girlfriend. Another script that said supposedly was supposed to be his mom. What? Yeah, that his mom would have become Frigazette.
It's hilarious. Love it. I would have taken any of it. Also to the name Dexter Douglas, yes, that is a reference to Peter Parker and all the great Marvel literary shows.
You gotta use the literary show. Make the character Jessica Jones, a new character. They gotta do the literary show. Oh, what's the other one?
The Century. Robert Reynolds? Yeah, I think so. But one of the other cartoons that I should mention, whoops.
What other cartoons I need to mention? Just because we have to, we have a lot of ground cover and I don't think we're going to get to everything honestly. It's a big decade. Here's the show I never watched.
Straight up, never watched the show. OK, I watched maybe a never-setter too, but could not get into it. Maybe because Ninja Turtles had already come and I loved it and enjoyed it. But it was Street Sharks?
Oh, yeah, man, dude. I watched Street Sharks. I own Street Sharks. Now, here's the thing for me.
Street Sharks looked like they were all spoilers, everybody. But Thundercats, He-Man, Street Sharks, Ninja Turtles. Mummy's alive. They're all toy commercials.
People in the chat were asking about Mummy's alive. Mummy's alive was a show that I watched. Me too. And against you, there's a show that was way too late that if it had come out earlier, it could have been the next Ninja Turtles.
It could have happened, but you missed the boat. And you aired it on UPN, which would kill your show. But at least you'll get a season. But Street Sharks and all these shows are toy commercials.
They fight. It's all right. And hand puppet toys and action figures. And this is a thing where legitimately, it started with Transformers and G.I.
Joe, where toy companies said, I actually think it was Master's universe was the first one. He-Man and Master's universe. It was a toy company that owned all this molded plastic and said, how the hell are we going to sell this crap children? And so they said, let's make cartoons that feature all the four.
Are basically just 22 minute commercials. And that's where your beloved childhood memories came from. From corporate greed, news with money made out of molded plastic. Here's the funny thing about Street Sharks.
I can remember watching the commercials for Street Sharks and saying, this is the coolest shit ever. Then actually watching the show and being like, the commercials do a better job of selling this on. It's like, I actually wanted a Street Shark more than I wanted to watch Street Sharks. It's true.
It's very true. Because you watch the show and you're like, and you know how every cartoon crew back in the day, for Ninja Turtles, it was pizza. That was their thing. And for Sonic, it was chili dogs.
For the Street Sharks, it was burgers. I'm like, that's kind of generic. Yeah. Also, the things too about other Street Sharks, again, they were all brothers from this super rich scientist who was working with splicing fish DNA, because of course he was.
And they all have a different extreme thing. But one guy's really into football, so he wears a shirt that's up to these gear. And the other one's really into rollerblading. And he has a parachute.
And there's nothing homo-erotic about it at all. No. But yeah, over-glorified toy commercial shows, Street Sharks, Biker Mice from Mars. Oh, another one with Paul, later on.
They would actually reboot Biker Mice from Mars. And they would actually kind of try and take it seriously. It's like, how much money do we put into the animation? No, I'm sorry, you can't.
And you see them fight the wars on Mars against the evil cats that are trying to invade them. And like Paul said, he's doing his best John Wayne, or best Clint Eastwood impression. Oh my god. Now, let's talk just about Paul's infirmentant, because the man has no equal and has his own podcast, actually, where he talks about his.
Talking tunes, which is epic. It's an amazing show. Actually, we interviewed him on our channel one time. If you don't check out our 2014 Kineticon video, he's in there, we chat for a few minutes.
It's amazing. He sings a bar from the Nations of the World, from the Animaniacs. Nighty's just scanned at a mexica panel. I was like, duh, duh, duh, duh.
But dude played so many voices from Blacker, Myster, Mars, Animaniacs. He played Mr. Opportunity in Toyota commercials. Oh, that's a Mr.
Opportunity, and I'm knocking. I'm like, Bob, what are you doing? I got to eat. He's just like, look, it's not the 90s anymore.
2000s. Nobody wants to hear Raphael say it will be cool, but rude. What's great about Paulson is that he's a turtle twice in his life. He was on the original cast, and he's on the new show now, too.
Yep. He played Raphael. And by the way, he played Raphael not just in the show, but in all the cartoon commercials in which they needed one of the turtles to say something. He's the one who would do it for all the turtle action figure, of course.
Oh, guys, someone in the check out just brought up something amazing there. Yes, Mighty Ducks, the cartoon that was also an Ninja Turtles kind of rip off with alien ducks who played hockey that had nothing to do with the movie. I think this is just another example of Disney being like, of Disney falling off of the map where they went, we can do no wrong. We can take an established Disney franchise, spin it into a new show for this generation, and make money.
I had Mighty Ducks action figures, but then again, maybe because I'm Canadian, it was easier to buy. I think so. Yeah, and there were very few real hardcore hockey referenced from the American cartoon spin. Maybe that's why I didn't last in America.
They're like, hockey. Yeah, hockey. We did that already. But yeah.
If he's duck-splained baseball, we'll talk about it. Yeah, or at least make them eat pizza. I don't think the ducks had a food. I don't think they had a signature food.
Maybe they would have lasted if they had a signature food. Yeah, you need to tick off all the check marks, man. What's great about that show, too, is that one of the characters was literally just gambit, too. Right.
I remember the lineup. I remember the character designs. My friend's a little brother liked Mighty Ducks. And instead of a matrix of leadership, like for the Transformers, you get a golden hockey mask.
And that is your right to lead the duck people, if you have the golden hockey mask. We should also talk. We talked a little bit about the tick, but I think the fact that Paulson took over for Arthur, after season one or two of the tick, was also kind of a mind-bending thing for me. Because number one, I loved the original voice for Arthur.
But when Paulson took over, I was not disappointed. That's good. You know what I mean? That was the little wooden boy in the belly of love.
I think that was the name of the episode. And that was the first episode where where Paulson took over as Arthur in the tick. And the tick kind of fell off into something else. But I love that show.
Really wasn't disappointed by the voice, but it became a different animal, I think, for the show. I just think we needed to address the tick and the fact that Paulson's late, Arthur, because that's not. Oh, someone in the chat said apparently the Mighty Ducks loved popcorn. OK, that's kind of clever.
That's kind of clever. Because if your feet ducks were to do. They're not going to go hunt down stale bread. Yeah, now see, now that would have been funny.
Because the turtles loved pizza, but there was like weird stuff on their pizza. The ducks were like, oh, sweet, a blow for bread. That's been left out for a couple of weeks. That show had a ballooshie, too.
Their manager was like the living ballooshie. Well, that was Disney using their money and their cloud at that time. We're going to get out the living ballooshies. Lucky everybody.
I know, right? OK. And another thing they mentioned, too. The villain on that show was Tim Curry.
How many amazing villain roles did Tim Curry have in the 90s? He was basically all of them. Well, he was an amazing hook from Peter Pan and the Pirates. Oh, my god, dude.
Peter Pan and the Pirates, man. Oh, my god. You kids are missing out. You need to hunt that show down.
That was one of the most surprising. It would be like if Studio Ghibli did like a Peter Pan. It was, let me tell you something. If you like Peter Pan or Hook, you will be blown away by what they did with Peter Pan and the Pirates.
Foxes, Peter Pan and the Pirates. They were not afraid to hitch their wagon to that horse. And they had to say it, too. And that's why Peter Pan doesn't wear a green and doesn't do anything else that the Disney Peter Pan does.
I'm going to mine, Brown Peter Pan. There's an episode of Peter Pan and the Pirates that blew my freaking mind. And it was where Peter Pan. I think it's the same one.
It's the Peter Pan captures, Pat Captain Hook goes, it's over. I'm going to kill you now. And Peter Pan gets long Tom and puts the cannon up against Captain Hook. He's like, you're dead.
And it lights the cannon. And Captain Hook is like, yeah, do it. Do it. But he basically says, I'm happy to die because I lived my life.
I was a boy. I was a youth. I was a man. And you'll never experience that.