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I read Justice League number 24 from Scott Snyder and Jimenez. Yeah, it looks like Batman is going to eat them. No, I didn't. Destroyed by the Dark Knight.
It's a giant book. It's just another... Batman gets really big and eats everybody. Right, that's usually how it works.
It's a weird twist. It's a weird twist. No, it's just a metaphor. It's metaphorical.
Batman, of course, has been encouraged by the progenitor of the Sixth Dimension to help destroy the reality we're in and allow for heroism to take hold and all that you need to sacrifice is everyone you know and love in order to do it. Don't worry, they'll experience it or whatever. It'll be carried over, so it's fine. In the last issue, we left on a cliffhanger.
Batman had to and in fact did move a son away from Superman who was jumping and flying away from a increased gravity prison planet moon thing. Superman is inspired or digs deep to find a memory of himself with John to find the courage to go out and do that. It's actually a really beautiful sequence in which Clark recalls a great day with his son. And he talks about...
You can tell if Father wrote it because it's very like these are the moments that you don't think about and there's... He's like playing music together, they go and stop a villain which you don't even see. You see the two of them like don't they're super costumes and get ready to go. And then Clark calls Lois and tells her because she's working late with the Daily Planet.
What an awesome day it was. But John is so sad because they didn't get a chance to launch this memorial rocket for his grandfather John. Oh it's a little paper lantern. Exactly.
I was like there's a lot of tape there for a little rocket ship. It's a paper lantern. And Clark is like it's fine with it tomorrow. We're going to do it today and now it's raining.
And Clark doesn't really think about how great the day was. He thinks more about the failure of not being able to do this thing. Sure. It's easier to focus on that.
Right. And the lantern falls apart in his hands in the rain. Now I'd give anything to be in that moment again. It was a beautiful sequence.
It's really, really well executed. The Justle and Legion of Doom team up. The Legion of Doom saves the Justle. That's literally what happens in that story.
Batman and the Blue Dude who's like a big guy who helped create a barbatos and whatnot. He basically encourages Batman to put on the last Batman suit they've ever wear which is made of all kinds of life-granting blah blah blah. And doobly doos that allow him to reshape the blah blah blahs into yada yada. Right.
Wait, it's not a black suit with a white shirt and sunglasses now. Yeah. But by the way, the Legion of Doom is grateful. It has a great moment to shine.
It's a lot of fun. You know what's funny? As soon as they brought the Legion of Doom into the forefront of it, I was like, there's going to be a moment where they have to work together. Because it's like how it goes.
Right. Except this is an alternate reality Legion of Doom that's been in prison for years. Yeah, but you still get that effect. You know what I mean?
Yeah, that's true. It's slightly turned on its ear. But you do get that effect. Right.
So the Justice League faces up against the future, ideal, like, version of the Justice League. Right. And that's when Batman shows up wearing the suit, this big, epic, amazing suit that is made of all this material and crap. It's like, he's going to unmake everything or remake everything or whatever.
The point is like, you know, I'm sick. Or he's playing the long game. My guess is he's playing the long game because like it would be so satisfying if Batman was a betrayer of everyone he loved and had a dear constantly, like, every time. Yeah.
How would you be friends with that person anymore? You know I'm not reading Justice League right now because I'm reading the Batman who laughs. And I don't want two stories in which Batman, regardless of the actual outcome, is betraying everybody simultaneously. I'm not sure what Snyder's doing that at the same time.
I don't know. I will say that like it's also happening in Tom King's Batman. It's also happening all it. There isn't a Batman book coming out right now where Batman isn't screwing somebody over.
Right. Yeah. And so there's that overlay sometimes. It's just interesting that he's writing two different books in which he's screwing people over in two different ways.
And in which he could be screwing them over in like a secret way where it's like I'm going to trick you and make you think I'm a bad guy but actually I'm a good guy but like probably not. Right. So I mean like I'm sure they'll both have very different outcomes. No doubt.
Both stories. I'm sure there's some inherent merit to them. Yeah. But on the surface, there's a similarity to it that I'm just like, okay, I'm okay.
Well, that's the rim of the same guy. Yeah. Flashable and the super chat said here's some money just because I love that different hat. It's something he's looking to be fresh today.
I am to be fresh today. But yeah, so from there, let's talk about what's Tiffany read this week because yeah, I recommend it by the way because the art's so great and because like clearly like I don't know if Snyder's like, you can't tell. It's like Snyder like a good guy. He's such a friendly person.
He's such like a ball player in the industry. You can't tell when he's taking the piss or when he's like digging into somebody. It's hard. So like him con, him showing off like him spending two issues being like the source Superman's joy and happiness is his son.
Right. It could be his way of being like, Bendis, or he's like, no, I love Brian. We friends, we hang out all the time. I just wanted to remember, you know, it's hard to think about good memories you have between each son because shit has all the time.
Like it could be one of those. I know I was like my dad's memories of me. There are very few where I was a teenager that he was like, yes, I wanted that's where all find the inner strength to like, you know, overcome. No, it's gonna be when I was a little boy and we played ball like that's gonna be it.
Yeah. Yeah. Tippy fresh. I am to be fresh.
Bring it over to the Twitch. I'm not sure which I apologize by the way everybody for not having. Yeah, we were busy this whole weekend. We went to the East Coast Comic Con.
We had a great time. We ended up at a wedding reception that way longer than we were thought we were gonna be there. That's the time we were done. I was like, I am so physically done.
No, we wouldn't have had a good show. No, it just went to me just face down on my keyboard. And what was it gonna do that? Right.
I'm gonna talk about Old Man Quill by Ethan Sacks by Robert Gill. I just literally said I had the realization that Ethan Sacks also wrote Old Man Hawkeye. No shit. Oh, there you go.
He's like, he's been in that torch for the Old Man series. Anyway, this issue opens up with a rental in Camon and undisclosed location. We the reader can't even know. We're not allowed to know.
We told, do them or anybody else. Two young individuals who were at the Think Tank Boom battle go to report that there's a hero. It's the hero of what they call him. Legend time.
No, no, the hero of Horse Creek is there and they're like, okay, well show me what you said and we see that one of the kids has the ability to project images. Okay. And is able to show his memory of like him finding Think Tank Boom. And we see an arm of the individual and then we pull back and we see that the leader of this encampment is Viv Vision.
Oh cool. Viv is a viv. All right. So we had some better days.
She's missing an eye and part of her head. Yeah. And she's like, you gotta bring him in. We need them.
So you gotta bring him in. We're gonna broadcast that out there. Of course that broadcast is intercepted by someone at the Church of Truth. Oh no.
And that's gonna come into play later on. But this issue really focuses on Quill again and what kind of happened between himself, Gamora and his wife in a sense. So like they're making their way through the wasteland and they keep taking breaks. Like, all right, let's break through the Peter Connect, get him into wrestling.
He's like, no, I'm okay. Everyone else can walk like I can. She's like, we're gonna take a break so that you know what doesn't happen. Because he will have a breakdown.
And so he has this little device where he looks at his family and can relive memories. The memory he relives is his wife. They're about to take a royal portrait. And his wife's like, just tell me, do you still love her?
Oh no. And he's just like, at the end of the day, listen, I chose the throne of Spartax over the Hell of Star Lord. So I chose you. It's just like you didn't answer my question.
No. And then he leaves and then the machine breaks. Oh no. And he's freaking out because he's just like, I don't want that attached to them.
I can't remember their faces without this thing anymore. I'm gonna lose them. So Mantis comes over and she's just like, you know, she loved you. Mm, this she.
Come on. Oh, and like understood why you left. Okay. That's nice.
And he's just like, which can I have my hand? Which can you just stop with that? Mm-hmm. And she's like, I can't do this.
Or he said, I can't do this. And she's like, you're in my head. And you know, I can't. And she's like, no, I know you can because I am in your head.
And they look up at the stars and there's this huge like streak in like the stars. And she's like, you see that there? She's like, that's where the Zendarian system used to be. Oh.
And then we get a little peek at what happened there. And then we see it in this future that Alexander became no for prime. Cool. And the truth came and they fended them off, but they left something behind.
And we see Alexander's reaction to it, but we don't see what it was. And it destroys the planet. Okay. And everything there basically.
Quill is a woken to find and drags his hand over his mouth to be quiet because there's a doombot going overhead. They make it past that. They end up at this town, which is like a ghost town. And they're like, cool, this is creepy.
They find a cow laying in the street just like covered in like bite marks. Okay. Human bite marks. And like at first, Rocket's like, I mean, I have a steak.
Like a really long time. And they're like, oh, okay, I guess the town's abandoned. We'll get supplies and we'll get out of here. And the more notices that there are lights on in the church.
And they're like, all right, let's go over there. And Rocket's like, have any of you ever seen a human horror movie? I'm just saying, like maybe we don't go to the church and we just leave. Yeah.
They go to the church as a family inside. Like, you know, they're like, oh, get in. They're going to see you. And they're like, who, what are you talking about?
And that's when like a hand busts through the door of any horror movie ever and the Mad Rocks gang. Oh, no. Now this Mad Rocks gang is out of its mind because he multiplied too many times and diluted the mind so much that it no longer has the ability to really talk. Okay.
It has fragmented words and instead it only hungers. Okay. And it came to town and it ate the crops, it ate the cattle and then it developed a taste for human flesh. Oh, no.
So there's like multiple man zombies? No, not one man zombies. They're cannibals. They're like crazy cannibals.
Now the last time Ethan's accident with multiple man was in Old Man Hawkeye where the multiple man ended up getting the symbiote. Oh, right. So that's how the T-Rex got the symbiote. So like, you know, he's got a soft spot for making them pay.
So it turns out that like you can't just hit the whole man who multiply this energy and you have to hit the, it is like a zombie to get shoot in the head. Okay. Destroy the head or the brain. So Rocket misses and immediately that's when we find that out.
Quill misses because he's rusty. The more it takes out a couple and then Quill realizes that like they're going to be overrun because the Mad Rocks is starting hitting their heads against things in order to multiply themselves. Okay. So like more and more than keep showing up and he's like, okay, Quill's like, all right, everybody get out.
Run, run, run. And so like, Mantis knows what's in his head. They leave, he takes his gun and he programs it to overload. There's like propane tanks or some sort in the church and they just blow it to hell.
And he jumps through a window and it's funny because in classic Guardian style or like in the perceived Guardian style, the woman who was the mother of them, like, thanks for what you're helping us out. The door was right there. You could have just gone through the door. You blew through the window.
He's like, yeah, a little rusty. And then one of the church of life, you know, followers shows up and like goes to kill Quill and everybody around them and like just crashes into the town. It's a huge explosion. It's like to beakity.
So we'll see what happens. Again, is this really a like old man kind of story? Yes, technically because they're old. Is it more a Guardian to the galaxy adventure when they're geriatrics?
Yeah, it's more that it does take place. What you want? Yeah, it does take the world and you get the occasional homages to old man Logan's universe, but I think it's more Guardian story. So I think people who were looking for that same feeling they got from old man Hawkeye may not be feeling it here.
That's right by the same guy. But if you're a big Guardian, you're gonna might dig it. Cool. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, I mean, that sounds fun. Joe Skandowski says hi comic flop is the first time I've ever caught you guys live. It's true. I've only said your name this one time.
I'm going to podcast religiously and I love them. Thank you so much, man. Yeah. Glad to dig it.
Yeah, it's a scene here. Captain Scruffybeard says, have you heard of Scratch by the creator of the max? Yes, I have. San Keith created this book.
Scratch. I'm bringing up because of this Halloween could be a possible GPU selection. Another idea is what if not Marvel like IW deviations or else worlds. Okay.
Yeah, we can do that. Yeah. I don't know if we'll do Scratch so much as we'll do the GPU idea, but you never know. Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, yeah. Because there's always an opening for a GPU topic. Yeah, it's always like Halloween. I mean, we did like kind of that, but we did with else worlds, right?
We should do. So there you go. I read Naomi number five from Bendis and was it Jamal Campbell and what's it called Walker? I remember his name.
David Eflock. David Eflock. Thank you. Oh, Colorado.
He and he just worked together and Jamal Campbell is the art. You've been watching the show, you know, that I'm reading Naomi. Yeah, which I like, I'm surprised, but I'm like, you know, it's very Bendis. Like it is the Bendis book.
It's almost like this is the book that like clearly is the Marvel book that he had ready to go. And I'll put it under wonder comics, which is a label for like young justice and stuff. And while while people are falling off of young justice quicker than living, falling off of the edge of a cliff, now he seems to be continuing to like, you know, be fine. It is like very much a Bendis issue in terms of Naomi finds out where she is.
She tells best friend. And then the next issue will be the end of the series. What she is? Yeah.
Yeah, she's she's the daughter of a pair of aliens and she touched a special black rock and now she's got powers. So that's like not exactly this, but it is a little Lucy in the sky. Yeah, yeah. Like it's a little bit of everything.
Okay. But like the art is so damn good. And it's all frustrating. It is very good.
But you know, Campbell will have work after this book, which is great. You can bet your bottom dollar and like Naomi looks neat. She's got neat like, she's got a nice personality, I guess. Like just fun.
But the idea is that she's the only thing that's like really sucks like because I've enjoyed this book. It's a lot about like a character study and you're watching like parents, parents, you know, like a teenager discovered the powers, which is up my alley because I'm a Spider-Man fan, but like, I find out that like, you know, a selection of people got powers from like the energy that was given off from like the first crisis, which is like, no, made a bunch of people that were metacumans and it's kind of like the idea that came from invasion. If you ever had DC's invasion, the dominators take like a like, they just start like experimenting on people and then like out of these experimentation that they put on, these people like a small cross section of those people got powers because they had a magazine. Same exact thing.
Only been estimated. And one of the people is a is a role bizarre type character and role bizarre shows up at the end. It's not role bizarre, but it's like might as well be. Right.
So like it's been this like being like, and here are come vendors and humans like for DC. Yeah, it's like 18 people. So it could be, but like, yes, it's like, it's like, it's like, it's like an additional role bizarre character. And when I say that, I mean, like, it's just like a big ugly dude who's got special powers and he, and he has a religiously like oriented mindset about destroying the people who made him.
Right. He's a zealot of some kind. So when will Naomi end up in a superman book? It's my question.
Probably very, very soon after this book ends. Yeah. Oh, that's the same. Yeah.
I mean, like, again, the art is lovely. And so if nothing else comes out of it, then that guy gets to go on and draw some other books. Fantastic. Exactly.
And Ben is just doing his thing over there. Yeah. It shows Ben is only read like 18 books, which you know you could tell. But yeah, so whatever.
Okay. It's fun. And it's a fun book when the big monster that looks like Robles are shut up. I was like, pass.
Right. But you know, help out Campbell because he's a great artist and he needs to be on the fact that like, I don't know, I don't know if he did, if he created a buffer for this book or whatever, but the book's out on time all the time and it's amazing looking. Yeah, yeah. You know, it's great.
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And I'm Mr. Vado says, remember's force and Thunderbolts, Red, Love or Hate. Exforce is cool. Thunderbolts, Red is not great.
So, what did you read? Oh, but what he said, I think we should just do my two last books because I know more people are going to want to hear about the final book that you had that I actually went through as well, which is only about when I read it. Oh cool. Just super quickly because I want to support Kelly Thompson.
I picked up super into the teenage witch. Oh, hey. I'm not the chilling adventures of Sabrina. So, if you're looking for that, this is not quite that book at all.
Yeah. But it does have that wit and sarcasm to some degree and like tight, snappy dialogue that Thompson writes in her other books. You'll find that here without the hard, horror element. That's not to say there aren't monsters and like a lot of the stuff that people have come to love from the chilling adventures in the book.
It's just not quite that horror focused. Cool. It is the straight up like, here's an opening story for Sabrina. They move to Greendale and she starts school and she lives with her aunt who looks different than I've seen them in Chilling Adventures in the show in other incarnations.
The cat talks in this. So we're kind of rolling that back as well. But there are monsters and she immediately runs into two siblings who become a win to go together. Only one of them knows what they are and the other one doesn't.
Okay, that's cool. And the chicks don't tell anybody. She's also the bully of the book. There's some sort of creepy crack in monsters attacking things that turns out into this kid.
But the kid can also currently turn into other things and that's maybe the big mystery. Harvey Kinkle is in this. Actually. You know what I mean?
And there is something obviously that the ants aren't telling her and she's doing magic in this. But she lives in a world of like, I'm a human and a witch and I go to school and I hate going to school because I hate dealing with teenagers. And it's a different feel. But it's not quite the hokey, supreme of the teenage witch.
It is this cool cross section of both. So if you're a fan of Kelly Constance's work and you'd be like, magic in the world of Sabrina, check it out. That's all I'm going to say. Fair enough.
The other book I read for pretty much one reason is Aquaman number 48. Yay! Because it's called Mother Shark. It's becoming Jaws season everybody and Jaws is probably right now my favorite Steven Spielberg movie of all time.
I've come to that realization. He's made some incredible films that are poignant and more historically important. But Jaws is Majam and we're coming into that season where it's going to be on all the time. And I can't wait for August for Shark Week.
So I was just so on board for this hitting at the cusp of we're coming into the summer. I was like, sharks! I'm in! So I picked it up.
I was like, why not? On top of that, it turned out by Kelly Sude comic with art by Victor Bogdanovic. And I'm happy to have that Victor any day of the week. Yes, and he's doing some great stuff.
I was watching, I was looking at some sketch work on Facebook. Yeah, he is phenomenal. And he does, who does this get right into the art on this book? He does a phenomenal job in this book.
I mean, it's so funny because there are pages in here where there's literally just like ink marks that the anchor clearly followed from his lines, knowing that I haven't seen his pencil before. And I was like, oh, this is just so, it's just him. It's just so undeniably him. He does such a great job capturing some of the overall horror of the sea, the loneliness.
There's just this phenomenal set of pages here. I have not been following Aquaman. So my take on this is that, hey, this is kind of an interesting jumping on point because Aquaman doesn't have any memories. And he's there with the old gods.
And they're basically going to give him this, like, here, drink this and you're going to go and see Walkabats, swim about. Which swim is on, we're going to go learn about some memories. But he's carrying this other voice in his head. So he drinks this stuff, he's not working and immediately it works.
He stands up, everything's all like blue around him, nobody's moving. He has these memories or these visions of a man, a fisherman helping a guy back into the boat during a huge storm. He then falls over, Ariel saves him. No, his mom saves him, they fall in love, they have a kid, she has to go back, right?
The whole thing, right? Yeah. Victor, Victor, Victor, Victor, Victor, Victor, Victor, Victor, Victor, Victor, Victor, Victor, now Aquaman then wanders into the sea where he comes face to face with bigger than Megalodon size instead of teeth. But like the way Victor draws it is perfect because it's not like comical or teeth.
No, it's just, they're kind of gross and horrible. Yes, it is a, it is a appropriately terrible amount of teeth just poking out at all of the worst places possible. Yeah. And it's the shark mother and she is this like Leviathan sort of creature.
Okay. That lives in the sunken forest that houses the memories of the ocean, collective members of the ocean that live there. Also when people die in the ocean she facilitates their passing. Okay.
By eating them. Whoa. No thanks. It's fine.
I mean it's like it'd be like going into a big tunnel, like a big tooth tunnel. Yeah, that sounds like a horror show. No, I mean like Han and Chewie flew into. They didn't die.
No, but like they didn't, it was like a cave. Right. So they were once they were where it was a cave, they ran away. Yeah, once it was a worm, it was bad.
But anyway, like he's like, am I dreaming what the hell's going on? So you died, but like I knew they needed like a champion. So like I'm not gonna let you, you got to pass on. Okay.
I gave you enough memories so that you would be able to function and do your thing. But like now that you're here, maybe like, do you want the rest of them? It might drive you crazy. Right.
That kind of thing. We also get like, look at this. Look at this. Look at this.
Look at this. Look at this. He does here. Oh yeah, the white.
The white space to create this like the implication of the jaws behind him. Yeah. Good panel layout. Good panel layouts.
Sounds good, dude. Really. He's very much a clip show for Aquaman fans. That's great.
You know what I mean? Like, hey, you know, there's like Black Manta and look, he's befriending sea creatures and like he was taught even though he wasn't supposed to be taught. Hey, did you watch the movie? Right.
Just stuff like that. You remember from that. We see Mera in there, of course, like they would find out that like, you know, like he was the reluctant king and that really worked in his favor. But then he gave up the crime when it was time and it was totally cool and he's just great.
And then we get this like we see that sweet image of her eating everybody and it's like, it's just, Victor's work can be super polished or super like rough and like this visceral sort of like coloration to it and it's just so fantastic. Yeah, that is horrifying. It's just it's so it's like the things that like nightmares are made out of. Yeah.
There it is. Everybody. This is what's people are, I think, wanted Bruce. Victor brought it to life for us.
But essentially like Arthur's like, oh, I feel dead and he's just like, yeah, but you're not and like, you know, it's fine. And then she's like, there are so many memories and whispers and I hear them and like the recipe don't and that's totally fine and that's cool. But like, you know, you have a very long and story history. Yeah.
And he was like, I'm not worried if I give these back to you. It's not gonna work in your favor. And he decides, no, I do want it. Because like essentially leading up to this apparently was a big test.
Okay. He passed. He did it. And now she'll just go back.
But like he's like, she gets in the option. Okay. I do want the memories back. He's like, where are they?
And like what he wants to start with, the red-haired woman. Like what? Yeah. No, of course, he's just like, no, like that's all cool stuff.
But like who's the hot chick? Yes. Tell me more about that and like she's like, oh yeah, no, of course yeah, and in the mix sense, of course you want to know about her. And he guides him to the memory and he touches it and he sees her and she's like, this is Mera.
You know, she is a hero and you're she's your companion and your partner, your lover. And then we see this end splash image of Mera and she's like, and you're killer. Oh no. What's going on?
I don't know because I haven't been reading Aquaman, but I really love this issue. Like, not only in the writing and the fact that there was a big scary horrific, like cool sage-like shark in it right before summer. But like the story was pretty sweet. It was good.
And like, for me, I was like, this is a really interesting jumping on point because it just reaffirms things I know about Aquaman and makes me wish I read the rest of it. So like, I don't know how other people who have been following this series felt about this issue in particular, but I kind of dug it and like, if you haven't been on board, this is kind of a, I feel like it's an interesting place to pick up. No, definitely. You know, and who doesn't want big, very sharp.
I do. Right? Like, it's going to show up in a minute. Oh no.
He's got a taxidery man back home. He's what I brought him. Um, yeah, so. Yeah.
Uh, Pulge Gamer says, I can't wait for Benison King to not write Superman in Batman. Me too. In my opinion, it's worse than the New 52 now. Grand New 52 Batman was actually pretty rad.
I mean, I think it's going to be a very interesting thing about this kind of thing the other day and that like, when both individuals aren't on the books, in particular, when King is done with his run, it's going to be an interesting transitionary period and I think it's actually going to be kind of rough. Yeah. Because people love King's run and people hate King's run. It's really kind of divided people.
And people just don't care. Right? Just don't care. Sure.
Whatever. But the next person who comes on board is going to be held to both scrutiny. Yeah. And so like, I don't envy the person who comes next.
No, which is why you suggested there should be like a transitional book. Yeah. Like a book where it was just a run. A mini.
What's an arc? Just an arc? Just something that's like, let the other person who's coming on get themselves already all set. But something where it's just like, this person's going to bear the brunt in the way that like, people are going to be like, oh, this isn't Tom King, but I know it's only six issues.
Yeah. And then the next person will come on and that might distance them. So I don't know. Lea Moore says, I don't know how far you are into the stream, but I am so happy to catch you guys live for the first time, you K fan.
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I'm sorry, I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Twenty years earlier, the idea is that Captain America and Iron Man came to blows over Vietnam, and that kind of like is the spiraling out of control point. But what matters is that like, in the 80s, Peter Barker is 37 and his Aunt May is still alive, and she's in her 90s and she has dementia, and Mary Jane is pregnant with twins and she is stuck having to take care of Aunt May and deal with being pregnant because Peter has been whisked away to a place called Battle World.
the 80s. So Spider-Man goes to battle world with a bunch of other superheroes and it's 1984 which is of course one of the worst took place and came out and we see basically just a fun big Mark Bagley splash page of watching you know what that universe would have been like. What I thought was interesting about this was how prevalent the wrecking crew was. Yes, I don't know I mean like yes they were in sequel wars I guess that's why you changed them there too.
I know they're prominent. Pete and Reed Richards who used to be his mentor and like confidant. They buried the hatchet. They finally come home after Peter uses the same machine.
It's the same good scenario where they told him there was a costume or a pair of machine over there. He picks the wrong machine and he gets a symbiote. He brings it back. He's a black costume spider man.
Right. I noticed that like because I've not been reading this book but the costume prior to this. Oh yeah it's like a variation on the original costume but it's like armored because it's almost look like sort of like the Ben Riley costume because of where the spider is placed and how like it has that like almost sweatshirtian it does what's blue. Yeah no it's true.
Yeah like I was like oh okay. Yeah I think the idea is simply that like we wanted to see an armored spider right and he needs the help. This of course punctuated when he when the big reveal happens with the symbiote. But he comes home Mary Jane had the twins Mary Jane tries to convince Peter to like put Aunt Mary in a home.
Peter will have none of it. Reed tries to explain to Peter he actually takes him on where he's like listen Peter like I have some terrible distressing news about this costume you have it's not costume like it's an organism. Yeah. And Peter's like don't you think I know that?
Yeah. I'm a scientist man we work together like and Reed's like well for God's sake boy why why are you wearing this thing? And it's like because I need it and not like because the drug or it's the ring you know from Florida. It's like I need it because I'm old.
Yeah growing older and I'm getting weaker and I need the edge because in this universe he's got like you know the suit actually amplifies your strength. Right. Right. When it first was created all it did was be alive.
Right. Now it's yeah it helps him out and like that creates an actual like reason for him to hang on to it and actually creates a symbiotic relationship between the two of them. Yeah and in fact like he he points out like I'm preventing it from bonding with me because I like expungent it at the end of the day. Like it goes into a separate case.
Right. Which is like oh okay. All right. You're saying it off.
Like it's after strangers cake. Right. Over there. And it does because it's like why not I guess that's fine.
Yeah. I like you. Exactly. Peter goes home and there are police at the door and what happened was apparently at May like took the twins and like wandered off and you know it's like staring through a window at like a department store for a couple of hours and like the kids were screaming in their bassnet and it's like it's it's a horrifying moment because it's real.
It's such a real moment and yeah and the cops are really supportive and understanding and I really like you know like listen we'll talk about what we need to do and if you need anything cool. Yeah because like she like Mary Jane's been chatting with them and asked for some recommendations if they knew of any place that like would take care of her. Yeah. Right.
And so like they drop that. Yeah. Like you know we'll let you know or we'll get to those recommendations or whatever. Exactly.
So you know Peter hears that. Right. He's like when he's talking about and Mary Jane reveals like she's about putting in a man home. Peter once none of it's they get into a blowout about Gwen Stacy.
Peter ditches the suit jumps into his old costume and just goes swinging across the city. He just needs to like clear out the cobwebs I guess. Yeah. When he winds up doing because this is the 80s as he bumps into Craven the Hunter wearing his black costume.
There's this whole trend where it's like there's somebody in his black costume like Orina very black costume like murdering people. Right. The name of justice and he bumps into that fake Spider-Man and it turns out it's Craven the Hunter. Yes.
This is the first we're looking at Craven and this Craven is like galvanized by the like ensuing conflict between the Russians and the Americans. Right. He's like I've been here like you know as a Russian agent forever and like now I like consider this my home and I need to make you better and like you're not getting better and so you know the same thing happens for Craven Les Honthe. Right.
He shoots Spider-Man with a trank then he seemingly murders Spider-Man then buries him alive. Right. He does of course in the ground for two weeks and at some point or other than I didn't think that he was. I thought it was too much.
I thought it was that like I thought he was gone through to the beginning and this happens instantaneously. Yeah because the suit does respond immediately. Yeah. The idea is that the suit knows that Peter is in trouble and it crashes out of its bondage and runs after and takes after.
Yeah. Mary Jane takes after the suit. The suit digs Spider-Man up and absorbs him and becomes this like horror show of a black costume then type thing and so you see a variant on the classic Mike Zek Spider-Man springing from the grave but it's like in his living costume. Yeah it's incredible.
It's incredible the image and so Peter with the suit just tracks down Craven who's of course wearing a Spider-Man costume. And still beating up hoods. He's doing the thing. I know.
But it's just so funny. He's like okay I put him in the grave and I'll get back to work. Yeah. I had someone else take a break.
Right. But enraged by the you know the ensuing like violation and whatnot it takes on the form of like venom and you know grows a mouth and it's gonna attack him and Craven's like you're beautiful. Like this is this is exactly what I wanted. Yeah.
Like you're finally ready and Mary Jane tracks him down. Peter's like you got it. You got to shoot me with the special. Ray then gets the symbiote off of me.
Like we talked about we talked about it. We talked about it in between the panels. Right. We're skipping decades every freaking issue.
Mary Jane seemingly kills the symbiote and then you know Peter is freed from it but unfortunately he loses the crutch. Yeah. Then we just get a silent you know kind of like montage of like Mary Jane and the children moving out and leaving Peter alone with his aunt. Yeah.
Just looking out the window. It's like whoa. Yeah. Just a gut punch.
It's like almost one more day where it's like you want to trade your family for your like million year old aunt. Yeah. Because you're too much of a coward to just do the adult mature thing. Right.
Maybe you just can't handle it. It's incredible. So then. Oh good.
Oh it's gonna say it seems like for which you described to me this peer parker misses the mark on a lot of things like he doesn't have quite the understanding that he should. Right. And so like he's mistaking taking care of her by being like just a little if you're that's how I take care of her. Right.
Getting her the help she. Yeah. Well and also he doesn't think about like he's being irresponsible because you think about like the burden he's putting on Mary Jane. Oh she's been taken care of her.
Right. But like even if he was I was a stopping spider man he still was here that doesn't mean he has the capabilities to deal with it's not everybody can deal with that situation. No. All timers dementia.
It's really hard to deal with. Yes. And I think he just he's like no no no like I have to just I have to stay with her or we have to stay with her because that's what that means to do. Yeah.
With being like giving them the care they need. Yeah. Like getting it and like you're not just dumping them off somewhere. Like that happens and that sucks.
Yeah. But that's not what the situation is. No. No it's true.
It's just he's just misses that mark. Mm-hmm. And if you ever caught our interview with with Chip we do talk about how he basically leaves it peers not suffering. It's not beautiful.
So then we get the classic ending to Craven's last hunt Craven's like I've done it he's you know and oh the other thing I forgot to mention was that like Craven felt accelerated in his desire to do this because he's dying of cancer. Yeah I noted that. Oh okay. I forgot.
He mentioned that earlier. Oh okay. But yeah he's he's like so I'm gonna take my own life just like I did and grab his I'm like oh this is yeah exactly classic. Yeah.
And then as he's about to put the gun to his mouth the symbiote finds him. Yeah. And stops him. And then he becomes the new venom or so you think right we're gonna find out after 90s.
Yeah. But like that's that's so brilliant. I'm like floored. Because like okay so you got the thing where it's like yeah you set up Craven you could be cool that I'm yeah but then you're like oh wait a minute the venom symbiote saved Eddie Brock from suicide and Craven always killed himself.
So like and it also like saved Eddie from cancer and so we like it's just this poetic amazing like merging of these characters so that like Craven becoming venom in this universe makes perfect sense and it's so clever and so genius and it's like that's why I can't write Spider-Man because I can't think of things like that. Like I was like ah got me so hard and then thinking about where I'm like oh that makes so perfect sense. The book is amazing. Why it read it and joy you're gonna love it.