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Jul 2, 2019 1 hr 33 min

Elseworlds Exchange: Batman Damned Wraps Up and More!

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Oh, as I said, helping us out. We want to talk about, so let's not waste any more time. No time. There isn't any time.

There's so much to talk about. Of course, one of them is going to be Batman Dan. Number three, finally ended. It's ended ended.

Yeah. We're not going to talk about it yet. We're going to get there. The spoilers.

Exactly. Exactly. So please. But we'll always spoil it when we get there.

No, that's true. No, that's true. No, spoiler store. I thought it's on it.

That's right. So let's jump into it. First thing I want to talk about is Transformers Number One, written by Eric Burnham with Ark by Dan Schonning. Literally did not think you were going to go there.

Well, I am going to go there. Cybertronians and Decepticons working together to battle the forces of Evo Shandor, aka Gozer himself. Or herself, as to say. It's just like a go-to.

I know. For Gozbuster villains. So the conceit of this, it looks like an alternate history kind of story in which the war on Cybertron goes badly for the Autobots. They bail.

They get into an arc and they go for greener pastors, aka Earth. Decepticons inherit Cybertron right before. They're about to celebrate. Megatron starts to get into a little bit of a squabble.

And then Gozer appears. And what's great is that because Gozer appears in pre-chosen forms and because Gozer appears in the form of the war, in the form of the world that he, she is going to be destroying. Yes. He, she appears, along with some terror dogs, in Autobot robot form.

That's cool. She's in disguise. She is in disguise. She's pretty much just...

But it's pretty dope to see Gozer appear. Megatron stands before her. Shouldn't be a chance to really ask if they're gods, which of course Megatron would have... Well, literally, it's like, alright, so this isn't a painting that, like, Gozer has like one bit.

Yes. I show up, I take the form of whatever. Dogs, gateway, lightning. Yeah, and in fact, we get a huge sequence in which she...

It's literally a recreation panel for panel shot for Shot of when the Ghostbusters face her. And instead of, you know... He's like, Gozer's got to mix it up a little. I know, I'm kind of surprised that Gozer came as a woman this time just because like we saw that already, and it's like, isn't it that Gozer could be anything?

Just digs it. Just likes being a woman, I guess. Just digs it. In any event.

Gozer destroys Cybertron, that's the idea. Oh. She offers something opportunity to choose the form of the destructor. Starscream pulls away, and he chooses in his mind before he gets chance to actually, like, weigh in.

This piss off Megatron to no end, and Starscream appears before the only thing he can imagine destroying Cybertron that's himself. He looks exactly like he does, by the way, during his coronation in the Transformers 1987 original anime movie. This time, it'll differently he's got a couple of additional pieces to him, the severed heads of his enemies, that is Megatron and, you know, Optimus. Sure.

So forth. So anyway, what's it called? Cybertron is destroyed by Starscream. Okay.

Practically. Sometime passes, Starscream dies, he becomes a ghost. Apparently it's a big plot point in the comics, is the Starscream, he's a ghost already, so it makes sense. We meet, but like I said, Cybertron was not destroyed by ghosts, so no.

And I doubt that I doubt he's gonna make that canon just for this fun, the worst. Right, right, right. Also- It could be a ghost, it could be a different ghost. No, that's true.

But then we cut back to the arc some thousand years later or something, and we meet up with some familiar faces, you know, like Bumblebee. And Eck, who's Eck you might ask? Well, that's- Oh no. Extronomous, Diamatron.

He's a scientist, and he looks exactly like the actor, one you can see this is going. Now I thought it was gonna be a big thing where it's like no, so like they send Extronomous to go to Earth as a recon mission, in fact that's what Optimus Prime does. Or thinking, oh, it's on Earth, maybe it'll be like a flashback where it's like, oh it's 1950s, Extronomous goes there, he's a cat like ambulance, there's a miss- You know, he gets screwed up, he gets left in the dump, you know, in a junkyard, Ray recovers him, and Extronomous is being a dormant Autobot the Ulta. No.

Because this is of course in canon with the Ghostbusters comic book universe. Okay. This is just picking up right where the last story that Eric Burnham and Dan showing worked on in Ghostbusters. They're in a park, they're dealing with ghosts, they crash, they have to want a sinkhole, they fight the ghosts, they bust the ghosts.

It feels good. Yeah, it does, naturally as the song goes. Starscream appears before them because he is responding to an urgent beacon that is, oh, the Autobots are going to be sending, they sent Extronomous to talk to Starscream. Or at least to discover what the beacon that Starscream, as it turns out, was emitting, was all about.

The Ghostbusters see him first, and they're like, well it's bust him, so they do. And then, Extronomous, of course, copies the Ecto-1 to infiltrate the area, all within the span of the Gomint. He does that. Then the Ghostbusters bust Starscream and then Extronomous transforms from the Ecto-1 back into himself, and he's like, hi.

Does Pete say, no, there's something you don't see every day. He does not. But I'm sure there's plenty of room for him to take. There's a lot of things for him to have not seen every day in this book.

It's true. It's a fun idea, it takes like two very powerful nostalgia fandoms and like kind of mashes them together in a fun kind of way. It is, it's pretty fun. It's a pretty fun story.

The art alone is worth checking out because Dan does a great job of approximating, or rather straight up recreating. If you've never checked out the Ghostbusters series, Ghostbusters Crossing Over, they do this great crossover story where it's like all the Ghostbusters everywhere. And so the real Ghostbusters meet the real Ghostbusters, like our Ghostbusters live action versions that can be approximated without like this right to choose. So they do and Dan managed to make them look like they came straight out of the cartoon, but still manages to work in physical space with like their version of Ghostbusters.

He does the same exact thing with the Transformers. Just like they did in G1 animated series. And that's really kind of neat. So is that worth checking out?

Probably. If you like the idea of the Ghostbusters and the Transformers Crossing Over, or if you're intrigued by it, this issue is pretty slow, but it's a lot of setup. So you can expect that. But it's pretty fun.

So I recommend it in as much as it's exactly what you would be signing up for. There's no bait and switches, no surprises. But maybe that's not a bad thing. Excellent.

Check that out. What about you? What do you got? What do I got?

Let's see. This week, I'm going to mention it just barely because I haven't finished reading it because I had a bunch of catch up to do, plus a bunch of things I knew we were going to talk about today. So just really good guys. I mentioned that Dr.

Strange came out. Oh yeah. Like I said, I can't really say much about the issue because I haven't fully read it. I do know that eternity and the living tribunal show up.

Oh, literary Markways just like, and the kitchen sink. Yes. What's Olympic versus day four? Here it is.

Here it is. Since the shoe 15 came out this week, I just forget this is a cancelled book. So if you're a fan of it, don't let that dissuade you from picking it up because you might as well finish the story. I'm just sticking with it because I don't know.

Well, you want to know where he ends up so that you know if like the next time. So I know how my pitch is going to come. No, no, because I don't just want to know where he ends up. You're right because I'd like to see the next jumping on point and what it keeps up with.

Yes. As a Dr. Strange fan, I feel like I need to at least keep up with this. Whether or not you like the story or not, like that's, you know, why that's okay.

That doesn't make you not want your Strange fan. But I just, you know, no, it's true. But you can also really look forward to seeing what the next writer will completely ignore and throw away. Because that seems to be a noble tradition of Dr.

Strange in the last five years. It's like, whatever takes over then throws away whatever the last person did and does whatever the hell he wants. Yeah, exactly. But while we're talking about magic, let's talk about the DC universe and magic because Justice League Dark and her 12 came out this week.

I realized I missed an issue so I had to go back and read that because I was like, Whoa, whoa, whoa, what are we doing here? So we're back and I made sure I read that. I don't know when I missed that in one week. Yeah, I think I might have been like, well, two, three weeks ago.

Yeah, no, but it's just funny. Everyone's in a while. Like, I don't know what happens with me in comicsology, but I'm like, cool, we're fine, we're fine, we're fine. Call of a second, could you give me a damn playlist?

Yeah, right? Just let me know when the books that I wanted. Well, they're really bad at that. Yeah.

Anyway, this issue was great. Just like every other issue of this book has been for me, like just absolutely incredible. Tiny taking on, explaining a lot of magical history here, explaining some of the rules that are going on, the Lords of Order. Honestly, it's one of those books where it's like, hey, are you kind of new to the magical part of the DC universe?

This is trying to introduce you to some of the more deep, cool kind of stuff. Okay. We'll also try not to drown you in it. That's good.

You know what I mean? Because you need to do that if you try to join people. Absolutely, absolutely. So, as we know the Lords of Order are waging war because their whole plan is that, in order to keep the most order, well, we'll just get rid of everything.

Like, we'll just get rid of all magic. Oh, no, the death of magic, again. No, well, like that's their plan. Well, that's their plan.

Their plan is like, well, that's the most order. I guess, yeah. That way there's no chance of chaos. You can probably eat it.

Yeah. Jerks. OK. So what was that?

Oh, there's a page from the book. No? No, it is not. So what about the refugees from Mira have escaped to another area?

Mira? Yeah. You know the land that Mira, Mira? Maybe Christian had to say it.

I don't know. His nightmare series is like realm. Oh, OK. And where Blue Devil was in charge.

And did he have a supposed to be in charge? And he totally failed them. And then it was unmade. Yeah.

And Blue Devil has to watch as the people of Mira are made in front of him. Yeah. And the textures. Sorry.

What? This wasn't me. Anyway, in this issue, Diana and Zatana return now with the power of the Lords of Chaos. They found Mordru who gave them a really hard time and then granted them power in order to fight back against the Lords of Order.

This is all a big plan that is being quietly orchestrated by Cersei, who was working with the other kind. Oh, no. So they upside down, man. Yeah, he's back.

Well, he hasn't left. They're working at something here. They wanted the power, I think, from a war between these great magic users. We got a lot of amazing images in this that I really don't want to spoil for everybody.

I will say that I think Bueno is his last name, because he has three names. OK. And I'm taking forever to get back to the page. Martina's Bueno Fernandez.

That's his last name. Does a really great job of breaking the panels, because that's kind of part of the idea of Chaos. You write the order of things. And so at one point, Zatana literally pushes down a panel and then breaks it.

And then all the panels after that are not square until order is resuming. Oh, that's great. That's great device. Yeah.

It's really spectacular. At the end of the day, it's Wonder Woman who has to basically hold a gen, make a wish, and fix everything. Oh, wow. Because she has the ability to do that, because Zatana has questioned too many things as of late and questioned the morality of everything.

OK. So she can't do it. We also get a fun conversation about the forming of the League to begin with. The League coming downstairs to the basement.

And Flash is like, we have a basement. We have a dragon skull. Like, you know, like, skeleton. They're like, oh, man, it's like you really need to pay attention at the meetings.

He's like, that's fair. I really don't. I really, really don't. Yeah, I'm about this.

And so like, you know, Dan is like, I want to form a League that can help fight in the darkness basically, because when we were on call, I realized that not everything would fight us in the light. There's going to be something else there. And they're like, who do you propose to leave this? And she's like, me.

And they're like, marshmallows. I don't see anyone having a problem with this, right? Not all right, cool. I mean, I'll just leave to go get lunch, basically.

And Batman stays behind and has a conversation with her about magic and what it is and how insane it can be. And the fact is that he talked to Zatara at some point. And how Zatara was like, basically, magic has rules, because we say it has rules. And if we didn't say it had rules, we could make everything.

And that terrifies Batman. Sure, of course. And he's just like, I don't know if you're prepared for this. And she's like, I've walked him on gods.

And he's like, yes, but the difference is, well, no, the difference is these are humans with God like powers and how humans can be. Oh, that's fun. So it's kind of cool. So obviously, we're going to continue on with the other kind of that problem has not been solved.

No, I remember that being the first arc of Justice League. Yes, it's been this thread. And this is a magnum opus in a way where it's like, everything has been intertwined since the get-go of this series. So I'm still on board.

I'm still loving it. It's just so good. It looks fantastic. It just looks so good.

At one point, by the way, it's not only Zatana and one woman who have the power of chaos. Swampin gets it. Detective Champ and Man-Batt. Oh, cool.

So they get like creepy looking and cool. It's fun. It's just fun. I love it.

Nice. There you go. So you recommend it. Oh, yeah.

I wouldn't start with this issue. Mm. You're going to need a lot. You got to go back.

But it's totally worth it. Grabbing trade. Yeah, right. How many issues?

It's 12, right? 12. So there you go. You're not that far off.

They're like, C-J-11 says, hey, guys, great to see you at Garden State Comic Fest. I forgot to ask if you want to. You guys would cover Snowbirds Don't Fly. As someone who works in addiction, I'd love to see you tackle how horribly Ali handles the issue.

Yeah, we'll check it out. I don't know about how it's going to take a while for Ali to come back to back issues. He didn't help us out very well in the last one. But I would definitely like to talk about that subject.

And back issues can do that. Yeah, absolutely. But yeah, it was great seeing you, man. We missed it.

We were in Garden State Comic Fest. It was a little show. That's how we do it every year. We go there.

We don't feature it anyway. No, but it's like right in our neighborhood. So it's not. No reason not to go.

Exactly. Thank you very much. Hi, Austin. And Shaun Berredin.

I should read this. But lots of Spider-Man this week. He's like a Transformers and Ghostbusters. He very only.

What were you talking about, Dark? Nothing that came in earlier. OK well, there you go. So jumping back into a speaking of Spider-Man.

A lot of Spider-Man came out. Let's talk about just one of amazing Spider-Man. Number 24, technically. This is a complete talky issue.

You don't like people talking. By the way, of course, written by Extvy. Right, right, right. Which I think you're not a big kind of ith aintly and spencer you're like, it's OK.

Yeah it feels weird. I think I'm getting the handle on what he is doing Because Spencer, of course, wrote damnation, or at least he worked with people on damnation. He has a real affinity for hell and mysticism, and he wants to tie these things together, all these arcs and all these stories and other books. He's done.

He's doing damnation. I think he is. Because basically, the whole issue is Quinton Beck, aka Mysterio. Of course, we've got to get Mysterio in there, because there's a movie with Mysterio in it coming out.

So how are we going to tie it into the movie? But Quinton Beck is at Ravencroft, which I'm like, wow, was Ravencroft still standing? That's weird. I don't remember being brought up at any point.

But he's talking to his therapist, and the therapist is encouraging him to talk about his resurrection. Because Spencer makes a fun reference to the old Daredevil story that Kevin Smith wrote, in which Quinton Beck kills himself. And then just like, he came back, and no one really talked about it. And why is that?

And while we don't really get into the specifics, and I think that's deliberate, we do find out that Beck believes he went to hell, and he met someone there, and that someone brought him back. And then he got to be Mysterio again. But Mysterio was afraid to mention the name of the person brought him back, or the entity that brought him back. The therapist tries very hard to encourage him to get past it, because he didn't believe that he ever really did kill himself.

He's like, you're the master of mysticism, sorry, the master of illusion. Illusion, yes. You know, what do you, there's no way that you killed yourself. You know, you're full of crap all the time.

Why would this be any different? Okay. So he tries to encourage him to do that. And as he is gaining the courage to say the name of this person who he purports to be his tormentor, bugs another gross thing, is like poor out of the ceiling.

And both the therapist and Mysterio can see them this time, as opposed to like when Mysterio is in the courtroom during the beginning of Nick Spencer's arc, as a show of force to kind of like say, like don't mess with these forces, you don't understand. The therapist bails immediately. And it could be that the therapist is like, you know, an agent of this entity. Or he just doesn't like bugs?

And he's like, this is too, up for me, I'm leaving. So he bails and then we meet up with what people have been referring to as like the centipede person again. And so the centipede person shows up, this is the issue we find out what they actually want to be calling this character. Okay, great.

But the centipede person is like, hey, I'm back and I'm horrifying. And we're doing, and don't forget, like this is the new Spider-Man book that's kind of even more like horror tinted. Oh, Spider-Man also of course, he has like a cute little moment. Mary Jane, but again, I felt hollow and weird.

I don't understand why. Again, it's what I've always wanted, but it also feels really weird and it feels like, it feels superficially fast. Okay. I really like him yelling that he's apologizing.

That's what his facial expression is. I'm sorry. That's what his facial expression is. Yeah.

By the way, that's just a nitpick as a comic fan. Spider-Man fan, I hate when they try to give Mysterio a face, like that there's a face underneath the fishbowl. And they're like, oh, I can show emotion that way. It's funnier and better of Mysterio's the fishbowl.

And you don't see his face, whatever. Yeah. Anyway, a centipede guy shows up and he's like, hey, listen, you really did die. You really did go to hell.

You're really like a friend of mine. You didn't say my name. And he was okay, okay, fine, I will. So Whisper's the name you don't get to see what the real name is.

And then he's like, oh, but you shouldn't have said that. Because now I'm going to kill you. And then he proceeds to just beat him to death with centipedes. I don't know.

He cuts off his arms and legs. He just eviscerates them with the centipede arms. This is, of course, all being broadcast to Peter via a nightmare. So the creature turns around and says, oh, hey, Peter, you've been watching this whole thing, right?

Listen, it's your fault. And so let me give you a nickname for me so that you know who's tormenting you. When I show up, it's called Kindred. Oh.

So Kindred is the name of this entity. I have heard a lot of interesting theories about who Kindred is. After reading this issue and the subsequent haunted arc, I have a strong feeling. I know who it is.

And I'm excited by it because it feels like, I mean, a lot of people were talking about how this is basically the antithesis of Slots Run. I couldn't agree more. And I feel like it's fixing things. Slots is very much the kind of guy who's like, everything that happened in Spiderman happened.

This happened in as part of the grand event. And now I happened. And I'm going to write 300 issues in Spiderman. And you can't deny all the things I've done.

I think that Spencer is like, yeah, some things happened. And they were great. But then other people came in. And they tried to like, ape off of those things and make them less special.

So like, no. So I think the haunted was him being like, because of the color theming, the direct references, the afterward thank you to Demotius and Zek after the haunted and him basically putting Craven back. But giving editorial their own Craven they can mess around with. Was him being like, the gauntlet was a mistake.

You tried to ape off something that was too good to be messed with and you messed with it and you ultimately ruined its specialness. But also we're running a Spiderman comic. So we have to acknowledge continuity. So I'm going to make it happen in story form.

But it's more or less an official retcon of you undermining this big story. Also clearly Spencer has reverence for Demotius stories. I think Kindred is Harry Osborn. And the reason I think it's Harry Osborn is because Harry Osborn died in another Demotius story that was really critically hailed and beloved by Spiderman fans.

In which they kill Harry Osborn in a really perfect way. They don't really do anything good with him after that. They also did a Craven slash Chameleon story where the ghost of Harry Osborn, not really, but a horrible ghost. I just mean like Harry sets things into motion.

But you don't know that until the end of that arc. But it's connected to Craven and Chameleon stuff. Again, Demotius and things. I think that after they brought Harry back through one more day, they've never told a good Harry Osborn story since then at all, bar none.

Because I was like, look at all the sort of potential. The characters that I grew up reading that were in Spider-Man are back and we're doing it. Here we go. I think that Spencer is on a war path to undo mistakes that were made in his opinion to Spider-Man.

And I think one of them is that Harry Osborn died, went to hell and that the Harry Osborn that came back through one more day is flimsy ass terrible story that like explained how he didn't really die. No, I think that's a clone. Harry was a clone the whole time. And that this Kindred character really is Harry Osborn.

And then when I came back or not came back to life but worked through maybe through Mufisto or through whatever. Well, if he's still a damnation then Mufisto's not. Well, but everybody. Except nobody cares.

No one cared about that and they've all put Mufisto back. But I think that we're seeing the resurrection of Harry Osborn. Or rather the, I don't know, weird reanimation of Harry Osborn. I think they're gonna fix up by being like Harry did die.

And now he's back and he's a villain again. And it's like, yeah, did Harry work as a goblin? Not especially, but like, there you go. So that's my theory about this issue.

That's the issue that made me think, oh, that's kind of cool. So we'll see what happens. If you want to know more about Kindred or if you like Mysterio or you're like, no one eats, it's kind of fun. We're like crazy horror images.

That's true, yeah. It doesn't really fit with rhinotly style, but it's still fine. I actually, I thought that whole thing. That whole thing is pretty cool.

Yeah, but a little cartoony to me. Well, yeah, that helps. You know, make it less one. That's true.

Mr. Robotta says again, what about the Council of the Green and White Lantern Swamp Thing? Was that just forgotten? Yes.

Yes it was. Or undone because of rebirth. Yeah. So yeah, no, it's all forgot about it.

Well, there was the Parliament. Yeah, the Parliament of Trees. And the Parliament of Flowers is still around? That's new.

Yeah, it's made up, but it's part of the canon now. And of course, like who knows what they're going to do with Boys and Ivy now that she's resurrected through Heroes in Crisis? Probably nothing because no one wants to touch Heroes in Crisis with a type of pole. Logan surely says, do you think Spider-Man, Life's Door, will end with Miles taking over for a two-old bend, maybe after he goes down swinging?

I think Ben's going to die and Spider-Man's going to like have to step up and then die. I think they're going to kill off both Spider-Man in the last issue, the only one issue left. But I think they're at least going to kill Ben and then have Peter take over again and be like, ugh, so we'll see. OK.

I think it's not. At least not in my opinion. I don't think it's my pistol. I think it's Eric.

Valentino Jesus can't stay long off to see Far From Home, you rock. Nice. You're enjoying it? We're going to see it tomorrow.

Looking forward to it. It comes out tomorrow. Yeah, I think there's only had been that. Usually they do a little earlier.

I know I would have gone already. But yeah, I know our theater only had midnight. And that's my fault. I can't go.

I told you to go. I know. I'm not going to go away. It's lame.

So yeah, let's jump into it. What else you got? You know what? You tell us about War of the Realms number six.

OK, I got to actually get that. Because it is the finale of this epic Jason Aaron story that I know speaks to you in a big way. Yeah, I'm guessing not so much to you. I dug it.

It was kind of cool. It was written by Jason Aaron by Doris O'Dowerman who consistently stuck around the entire time. Yes. I got to do some really cool stuff.

Yeah. Honestly, I think he did some really interesting things. I think he tried a lot of stuff. I know at times it was like, what are you doing, man?

But for the most part, kind of cool. I agree. So this basically is just like the only way to fix the problem with the War of the Realms and to be Maleketh because he's put Thor into a difficult situation where it's like, you got to come to Stonehenge where I'm basically going to kick your ass because I can kick your ass and I have Venom now and I'm using him as a symbiote and a sword and also giving it like by empowering it via magic, my Dark Elves also can use it as well, which is kind of neat. But he has his parents, which obviously Thor would like to get back because they were thought dead.

Nope, they're alive. You want him back. Only you can come here. Anyone else comes here that I'm going to get through and also like you kill them or whatever.

So Thor realizes the only way to stop this is to get more Thor's. Yes, but Thor core, if you will. Thor core. I don't even say Thor core.

No, but they've used this before. Yes. They've used the Thor core before. So you can call another Thor's to battle.

We see Aaron's future for Thor where he has the granddaughters who are reading the story. He's using that a lot. I know, but I love that usage because this battle is a battle that would be told into the future especially among the Asgardians and such and the idea of using that style of lore I think is really, really cool. Oh, I agree.

And again, like he said, he's been using it quite a bit. I actually read a couple of the issues in Thor where they feature. Yeah. It was at the end of the universe essentially and they get all the other Thor to come back with them.

They also pick up a young Thor, the Vikings and Jane Foster manages to put together. So they cast the war or the ultimate Thor hammer. Yeah, and so she also joins in the fight knowing that she only has so much time before the hammer breaks basically. So they obviously go against Maleketh.

They take their picks on what they're going to take down. Yeah, who they're going to fight. Yeah, and it's an epic looking battle. Meanwhile, in New York, the frost giants are the only thing that are still standing in terms of forces.

Yes. And Laffy just isn't stopping. Like they've pretty much taken care of most of the frost giants. Yeah, now it's just a big bad guy to fight.

Yeah, except he has the casket of the ancient winter. Yeah. And instead of using it on the earth, he consumes it so that his power is enhanced by its. Yeah.

He's just breathing frost all over the place. Daredevil has a plan because of course he has the power of a god as well right now. And takes a sword and he does a classic Daredevil move where he bounces it off of the ice around him, which Laffy's like, you missed. Yeah.

And as you're saying, you missed the sword goes into his mouth. He's like, cool. You maybe eat your sword. What is that?

Yeah, nice. Good work there, dumbass. Which is the way he very much treats this, which is kind of spectacular. Meanwhile Thor, Arthur, like main Thor.

Yes. Main Thor, let's call him that empty. He's on Maleketh and starts punching the hammer. Yes.

Yeah, well, you can't stop it, so he's just punching it. He's just punching it. And his dad's like, you have to use the storm. Like, you know, it's basically the mother of storms or the all storm or I want to say the all storm.

It's not the third gale is it? No, no, no. No, no, no, no, no, no. The storm to end all time, but they have another word for it.

And he's supposed to use that power and he's like, no, I am, but like, you'll see what I'm going to do. And basically he just reformed from the only air, which is like really cool looking and has a neat handle now that's going on in the organic looking. And he's just kind of like, yep. He's a very satisfied face on as he does that.

And then he just beats the hell out of Maleketh. Jane Foster's hammer is going to break. She tosses it basically across the Atlantic Ocean. And it hits a lot of the face, giving an opportunity for an unexpected but totally expected return of Loki who will now have ate him.

He just was just hanging out in there. So he has the casket and he has the sword because Daredevil clearly knew what to do. And he rips him open and he's like, screw you. And indicates the fact that he's like, the king is dead, hail to the king.

And he's like, I'm the king of the frost giant. Now what jerks. So then basically Maleketh is taken down by a storybook style ending or a myth style ending, which I think is really cool. He loses his powers and abilities and all that stuff.

Because he's filled with fear. And so he can no longer control the wild, the wildlife around him, including the dogs and the big winged tiger, which I was like, that's a really cool looking tiger, very specific looking animal. And he is ripped apart by them. Yes.

And you get to say it's cool. He's eviscerated and just drawn and corded by him. Exactly. And he's like, gathers and also those who want to take their leave, take their leave, including Punisher, who at one point, Punisher is doing a classic Captain America where he's telling people where troops are, what needs to happen, what's going on.

And Iron Man makes fun of him a little bit for that. You're in your element frame. Yeah, literally. It doesn't matter if the frost giants here, you're still doing your thing.

And I'm like, that's kind of cool. I mean, Frank's a murderer, but he wanders off and Logan's like, let me buy you a beer, man. Come on, the war's over. And he's just like, yours might be, but mine never ends.

And he's like, off you goes. And I'm like, that's pretty cool. He has a moment where he's recovering because of the fact that I had the sight and the power and knowledge of God. And now it's gone.

It's like going blind all over again. And I was like, oh, that sucks. And then we see Venom limping off, mentioning the coming corny. The absolute corny that he needs to recoup at that point.

James Hammer basically bites it. She untransforms, but it kind of becomes part of her, as though she's going to become some other North character. Yes, and Valkyrie, if you will, since Belcher died in the beginning of the book. And at the end of the book, there's obviously a tease for cover for her Valkyrie number one issue.

We see all father Thor and Thor kind of have a chat about the fact that like, oh, no, it's Thor, God of Vikings and all father Thor because they have been at each other a little bit. Having a little chat there. And all father Thor is like, hey, trust me, you're going to have a good time. I'm going to show you what is the age of craft beer.

And I'm like, that's cute, fine, whatever. And at the end, Odin ends up kneeling to Thor because Thor is now all father. Right. So I'm not worthy of whatever it is that you fit to call me.

Speaking of worthiness. Right. Thor becomes a new title. Well, yes, because Thor goes to pick up Mjolnir and they're like, you're not going to be able to.

And he's just like, no, no, no, I know what you're thinking, everyone. Like you're like, oh, you're right. And yes, he was. But what makes me like worthy is my acceptance of my unworthiness.

And so like, I am like God of the unworthy. And I'm like, that's kind of cool. Like, it's a nice message for the rest of us who aren't God that there is strength in the struggle. Yes.

And like, that's kind of neat. So there you go. And there's going to be an epilogue to this. As there always is.

Just kind of telling us where all the pieces fell. I'll probably pick it up and check it out just because I really enjoy this kind of mythology. And I wouldn't mind seeing some of the clothing stories. Definitely trying to figure out what Frank's up to.

I mean, he seems to be like taking care of some of the rest of the forces that are left behind because like a big old like biking Skyrim helmet on there. So yeah. And I think I'll probably check out Valkyrie number one. Yeah, why not?

I want him to writing it. Just to see. I don't know. I don't know.

I should say it doesn't say. I'm just trying to look into that. Yeah. And then there's going to be King Thor.

Yeah. And I haven't by Jason. Of course it is. And that covers by it.

Oh, it's never. They reunite. And I'm like reunite. Yeah, they worked on God butcher and all kinds of other stuff.

Yeah. And Conan. Oh, yeah. They've been working together.

Or maybe he's also doing the interiors. So I enjoyed the War of the Realms. It was kind of right up by Allie. I don't know.

Having stopped and peaked in on Thor occasionally. If it lives up to those of you who have been reading Thor this entire time. I would assume it would. Right.

But like I really dug this like emphasis on storytelling and by that, I don't mean just what Jason Aaron did but the idea of telling the tale along into the future and that like kind of cycling back and the idea of that kind of mythology that always. Yeah. Yeah. I like it as a story of equality in the playing with like it ended and it's the beginning.

Yeah. Oh, how cute. How drool I like it. Cute, cute, cute.

Valentino Jesus. I can't say longer off. Oh, no, I'm sorry. Robert Corriss has danced a lot of your character personalities.

Yes, he did. In service of his own pursuits. Heartless Fang, Mike, Greg's ending soon. Just wanted to throw some money at you guys before I got a dash.

Can't wait for my content. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for the rest of your day.

Hopefully it goes very swiftly. Tybees, you guys are the best. Just sending some love your way. Thank you very much, Tybees.

Thank you. Cosen says I just laughed. I started laughing when Tiffany said before because I knew South Conell himself. Thor, Thor, before love you guys.

Thor, Thor, Thor. I can't believe they didn't put Eric Masterson Thor in there, by the way. Well, I love when in the, like, all father Thor is like dealing with young Thor and he's just like the frog wasn't available. Yeah, I know.

I love that. That's really fun. I would rather have frog Thor. You know why Eric Masterson or Thor, because Jason Aron didn't create him.

They were all versions of Thor that Jason Aron worked on. Right. But I also, I think I like what he did there in his selection of that. That's his past.

It's present in his future. I like that's really very cool. Like that's just a neat idea. Well done.

The Debeschies Mahapatras says, Hey guys, this is off topic, but one is to know what you thought of God's Licking of the Master. I loved it. Yeah, it's really cool. I liked it better than the last one.

I really, no. No, you liked it. But I loved it, man. Like seriously, like, I know a lot of people, not a lot of people.

Critics are like, there was too much talking about the humans. I don't care. I like that kind of thing. I think it helps to ground them in our reality.

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