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Weeding down upon the underworld to smash gangland, some friends of the unfortunate enemy of criminal. In a serious, powerful character, a problem to the police, but a true state of law. Hey everybody, welcome to the Elseworld Exchange, or a variant of their Revum Sal. Today, we're going Joelists, and that's because Joel's getting ready to go to the London Comic-Con, and not the London you're thinking of, no, the London in Ontario.
So, if you want to see Joel in person, you want to watch him do his thing, you should go over there and visit him and, you know, pay him some bodies, you know, get there, feel the seats and everything like that, because I think he's going to do a nice job and hopefully come into his own in a big bad way. Hopefully he'll catch the bug and be like, wow, stand in front of a crowd, talking to people by myself, branching out, owning the fact that I'm like one of the only Canadian YouTubers that talks about comics out there, and really just kind of like a firmly establishing, planning his feet, if you will. Hopefully, we'll give him the self-confidence and the strength of mind to keep doing it, soldier forth and keep it up. We're going solo, and I had a week or so to get ready for this, but I ultimately opted rather than try and stuntcast it or get a long time guest co-host to come by or put extra pressure on Tivy to get her to show up here a lot earlier than she should because she's got work to do.
I thought I'd just do some house cleaning and do one of these Q&As because, number one, I love doing it, number two, I was looking back at her old archive and I really liked doing it, and I'm having done it, and I noticed that a lot of people responded to it pretty well. I saw a couple of references to the Stanley interview, I haven't seen it yet, but I have no idea anything about it, unfortunately, so I can't comment on Stan. Don't forget about the cools. So let's jump into some super chats really quick.
I will occasionally try and grab a comment or two from the main chat, but it's hard to keep track of everything because it's all going so fast. The Red Samurai saying, now I'll pick six members to be on the X-Men team that you would want to write, and who should draw it. Wow, that's a whole pitchman. You're asking basically for me to just kind of like sell my idea about what I should do, or about how we should do the X-Men.
And so, okay, I guess I'll go with that. Let's see if I can. Six members. Oh, right, so I was saying how I always thought the Avengers were kind of like a more diverse, you know, group of team.
I noticed there's a lot more women, or at least I thought there were. And then it turns out I was actually wrong. It's mostly just about, it's mostly the X-Men, the X-Men are the ones who have had more women on the team than any other team that I'm ever comparing it to. So I guess I'd really want to maintain that expectation because I think that the X-Men kind of represent a big swath of kick-ass cool women.
So I'm going to say Rogue from my first pick, Classic Rogue. I wanted to be the Southern Belle, who is cursed, the one that's not Tom Taylor. Kelly Jones, Kelly Thompson is working on right now with Mr. Mrs.
X. It's a great series, and I really like the representation of Rogue. I guess we're going to go with it, I guess I put Gambit on there because why not? Especially because they're married right now, and I'm still forgotten.
Nobody. So Rogue, Gambit. I want to see Beast on there, and because I want an opportunity to switch Beast back to Old School Beast, and by Old School I mean the Old School that I remember. Cyclops, Wolverine, and nope, nope, you know what?
Let's ditch Cyclops, because I just realized it's mostly men again. I guess Storm would be cool, although I don't know what to do for Storm. I never know what to write about Storm. I've noticed she's had a Solar Series one, so no one else.
People really love that character, but I never know what to do with Storm. I'm always interested in seeing what's Storm going to do that makes me interested in that character, and it rarely happens. So instead of Storm, I'm going to go with... Let's make it Abigail Brand, and let's make it...
Not Jean. Somebody else, it's gonna be fun. I definitely want to see Nightcrawler on there, but that's two blue for me characters. I feel like it's a little bit of redundancy.
I think 6 is kind of limiting it, don't you think? In any event. I'd want to keep it in keeping with the classic X-Man the Animated Series, while also paying homage to what has happened. I'd love to try and use some characters from the armor, X23, and we'll be fun.
A lot of different characters are really fun. For me, it would be just about the characters that would play off each other really well. I wanted to do something that would do as well as or have as much fun interplay as the Whedon run, or any of Claremont's earlier stuff. Who would draw it?
Ideally, Jim Lee would be great. If not, I guess I'd go with somebody like Stewart Imman or the dude who's drawing... God, who's drawing X-Men, extermination right now, because they're doing a good job, and they evoke the Stewart Imman style. So, yeah.
That should answer your question. Justin Beckford, what's been your favorite event in the past five years? Five years. So, it's 2013.
I guess Secret Wars. And it's funny because it's very cliche to say Secret Wars is kind of like the most interesting or coolest event that I've enjoyed over the last five years, but like... I don't think we're ever going to see anything like what they did with Secret Wars ever again. Secret Wars was lightning in the bottle in terms of them completely shick-anning the entire current running books in favor of neat, what-if, alternate universe, else-world-z-y-and-type books that are all interconnected, but all their own universes.
Just everything you did with Secret Wars is really, really cool. So, I guess I could say Secret Wars. Matthew Mosley, love the channel. Thank you very much.
Keep it up. I'll try. We wouldn't complain for an early-backish, by the way. I do appreciate that.
And I know, and I've definitely got that in my back pocket. So, thank you very much for that. Chase Eichler. Sally Chances will see Authority or the Boys on Back Issues anytime soon.
No, not anytime soon. No, probably not. Either one of those books on Back Issues. I don't have any place for them here.
And since... Also, since you already did Red Hood, finally, when you're going to do Dark Victory, I'm saving that for a holiday. So, we'll see how that goes. But I am saving it.
I do have Dark Victory in my back pocket, though. The Authority is a little too dense, and it's like... Based on just the lack of interest in a number of things we've done over the last couple of months, I've noticed that branching out is not the way to help us grow right now. At the same time, also, I feel like the Authority is in a similar boat to Watchmen, where it's a little dense, it's a little more in-depth.
I think it's more like everybody should read the Authority, and then we'll just talk about it. I think that lends itself better to it than me telling you what happened in the Authority. Just like, it would be better to read Watchmen than it would to tell you what happens in Watchmen and then, you know, hope for some funny reactions. And the Boys, I hate, so I'm just not going to do it.
I don't care if there's a show, I don't care if Simon pegs in it. I don't care if I like Garth Ennis's run on Preacher, I'm just not doing it. I think the... Whose Manchester Black's team?
The Elite was the nickname for them. Southson, some of your favorite female comic characters, well, they happen to include She Hulk. I really like She Hulk, and I hate that she is considered to be a derivative character. I know I get it, but it also really sucks because I think that she really, really differentiated herself from the Hulk pretty much immediately after her creation.
And the fact that nobody wants to do anything with her, that nobody knows what to do with her, really is a disservice to the character. And so I think there's a great possibility for her to branch out. There's always an opportunity for her to branch out, but there's so much rich history with her and groundbreaking comic books with her that I really like that character based on that alone. But I also like when she's written well.
Dan's a lot did a good job with her. John Byrne did a good job with her. That's kind of the only two people that I know distinctly who have done something good with her because they cared enough to try. But I think there's a future for her and I think there's an opportunity for her to be cool.
And to take her place, as I've said, as the Wonder Woman of the Marvel Universe. Other female character design joy from comics. For some reason, and I know that it's going to be a joke, but for some reason besides the two you're thinking of, I really respond well to Power Girl. And maybe it's because she has a chip on her shoulder and she is railing against this kind of system.
I feel like she is positively DC character. I think she would respond better in the Marvel Universe because she has this kind of deep-seated resentment to the world around her. And I think there is something there. I don't know if I really think that the I think that the Amanda Connor period of Power Girl is cool.
We have it on a trade. I don't know if it's groundbreaking and I don't know if it really helps her character, but I wish there was something there. I think there's more potential for Power Girl than there is a plethora of great stories in terms of my favorite female characters. I like her, but I want to like her more than I like any story she's in.
Similarly with Wonder Woman. I like Wonder Woman as an icon. I don't know if I want to read her about her because I don't find her character too interesting. But I do love Rogue and I like Jessica Jones and I like a number of Marvel characters.
I mean like Mary Jane is a great character when she's done properly. So I think any female character in a great character is done properly. Supergirl I wish could work and I don't think she does. I don't know if it's because she's redundant or if it's because people have thrown her in different directions.
But like the Red Lantern stuff and then trying to ground her as a supercarid. It was weird. She's all over the place in the same way that Power Girl is. But Power Girl actually went, I'm going to be my own character.
So I'm going to throw that. I'm going to throw those out there. I think that's enough for that. So the reason why I wanted to jump into this, and it looks like we're holding steady, should be doing okay.
I'm just going to jump in and see a couple of other questions that might have come up. Because we have only been doing this for about 16 minutes straight up, not including the time. Well that also includes the time when we completely picked up badly and had to like crash and burn and start over. By the way, when I said like, like forget Cyclops in my six X-Men lineup, I'm not saying Cyclops or he needs to be ignored.
I'm just saying like, oh, I'm not excited about Cyclops in terms of characters that I would definitely want to get. Make sure I'm on the team. I do like Cyclops and I think he would work. It's more like somebody like, like, Sam or I asked me like, who would you want to write about?
And Cyclops is not my top six list. But I think he is essentially required for the Prinx Men team. So, hope that answers that question as well as a couple other people who are feeling like Cyclops getting marginalized on the street. Don't worry.
And I know it's coming back. Again, though, you know, people were looking forward to Jean Grey coming back. Every time I see her in that stupid X-Men 90's outfit, I'm like, are you doing anything new and fun? Or are you just any girl who could have done the team?
So, I see a number of questions about heroes in crisis. And I'm reserving judgement I haven't read issue to because I don't think it's out, but... Or if it is, should I can't believe I missed it. But I thought that getting Klay Mann in an event is a great idea.
I think he's a terrific artist. I don't get the Tom King love, but that's been a long-standing established thing here on Comic-Pop. That I'm not the biggest Tom King fan, although I do love what Tom King does when it works. And when he's given like a small rigid structured format, it's interesting that a career, you know, like a CIA operative would work well under stringent guidelines and very strict regimented schedules with a very tight deadline.
But that being said, you know, I think it's fine. It's just kind of like everybody dying and that's... So, here's a crisis feels like the big FU to the TDC Rebirth at the end of the day, and I think that it will ultimately stand as that. So, we'll see.
No. I'm reserving judgement. It's only the first issue. But in that first issue, everybody killed everybody.
So, you know, that's rough. So, yeah, getting into the nitty-gritty here at the studio, now that we're kind of finally chilling out, I wanted to check in with you guys and say like, hey, welcome to the show. Welcome to the Lswirls. Welcome to Comic-Pop.
If you're new here, if you're just catching us live, I want to thank you all for joining us and for giving us a try, because we have pride ourselves on being something different, something special, something very unique compared to the rest of the Comic-Pop YouTube climate, hopefully the rest of the YouTube climate as well. But as we go forward in our fifth year, you know, I've got some goals, I've got some plans, some ideas, I don't want to try. And it's funny how quickly here goes by, even if you aren't a personality on the internet and even if you aren't trying to run a company. So, but it's interesting how quickly a year can run by and how like I have like a list of things I want to do, and I've teased back issues who still haven't done in three years.
And it's, so I want to make sure that I get ahead of it. I want to get on top of the time that gets away from it so quickly, so that we can actually incorporate those things. Because I'm trying to maintain an interesting healthy balance between like trying to make changes and adjustments without making it feel like a whole different channel than what you're used to. And so, you know, we've trickled in different things.
Like you may have noticed recently we dropped highlights reel from Tiffany's stream over on the Purple Channel. Purple Channel is the one that starts with T, play video games on it, and I've certainly seen a lot of people talk about it. And it's kind of like the premier gaming platform and it's why we're over there sometimes. But Danielle is kind of to make up highlights reel of the first episode, which is like two hours, two and a half hours long.
We made it, we condensed down about 15, 16 minutes of a very, very manageable, very entertaining little video that didn't get a lot of love, unfortunately. And I'm not surprised and surprised at the same time because I feel like if you come to Comic Pop, you're looking for a variety of different things. We're more or less like a variety channel at this point, but you're looking for a multitude of different stuff that's tangentially or directly comic book related. So as a result, it's helping that maybe something different but something familiar would resonate with the audience.
But maybe it's because of the cover, maybe it's because of the tags, maybe it's because of the day, who knows, but I'm very proud of it and I dig it. And I think it's evocative of what you can expect over at the Purple Channel. So if you want to check that out Wednesday and Sundays, you should. I think Tishim might be doing a stream tonight.
So jumping into the super chat because I wanted to address those before we move on. Tales from Islands Z saying, Aloha, hello to you. Please choose the retcon or twist from the 70s. And now, 72 now, I guess, to either undo or set in stone, Mandated continuity from one above all himself your choice.
A retcon or twist that I can undo or set in stone. Besides the obvious, I guess, like, here's the thing, a lot of people want to see their characters grow old and new generations to come in and replace them, or at the very least get their due. And I am not saying that's bad, and I'm definitely saying that I like that. I like Nightwing for that example.
I like Sidekicks getting older and growing up, but I'm also thinking, like, I also really like reading about Batman. I really like reading about Spider-Man. I really do like these characters being evergreen so that everybody can get a chance to get a crack at them. So while I wouldn't necessarily be like, OK, 1975, everyone's getting older.
I might want to keep it where, I don't know, it's interesting to think about what has come over the last 40 years and say, like, what should stay, what should go. Because a lot of things in Marvel have stayed. It's just kind of like things have just changed the way life does. It's very, very rare.
You'll see like a straight up like God comes from down on down from on high and says, this is different, or this didn't happen the way you remember it. It's more just like things happened and then something else happened and then something else happened. And you've got like 17 different layers of stuff that happen on top of the thing that you liked. I guess undoing one more day would be a big thing.
But like, we're seeing right now how to do the Spider relationship wrong because Nick Spencer brought them back. Peter and Mary Jane, that is. No spoilers there because it's been about eight issues. But they're back together, but they're not married.
And as I understand it, I heard a rumor that apparently they were allowed to get back together, but they couldn't get remarried. They couldn't undo one more day. But we're seeing it's boring. That's at the end of the day.
It's really boring. And they're not doing anything fun, fresh or interesting or new or groundbreaking or even just entertaining with it at this point. And even though I want that, I want to see them together. They're doing it wrong, which is exactly what I was worried about was going to happen because I was worried they were going to be justified in their decision.
They were going to say, look, we get, we give a shot and it's boring. So, you know, I don't know if I undo too much. I would just kind of like leave it as it is, particularly Marvel. But DC, you know, I just, I want to roll back the clock and be like, there was no new 52.
There's a couple things from the 52 that I guess can stay. You know, not every idea is a terrible idea. But the idea to reboot and the idea to throw everything away, the idea to not throw everything away but throw away things halfway. Ultimately with DC, I just be like, here is what the conduit is.
But I understand why they're not doing it. Here's why. They're not doing that. Why no one's saying a hard line stands for what Rebirth was or what happened and what didn't is because at the end of the day, the fact that you're confused means they can do anything they want.
And the fact that there is no standard, there is no hard line editorial. This is what happened. This is what didn't happen. This is the world that you're reading about because that's not there.
You can't poke holes in any of the decisions they've made over the last five years. So, everything that happened can still have happened. And if it doesn't contradict, great, but if it does, well, you know what? It was Rebirth and New 52.
We didn't really have a crisis to change anything. So, I think they're just going to do that. I think they're just going to leave it. And that's why I would not because as convenient as it is, you're doing it in an interconnected world and there's plenty, especially DC with their multiple possible publishing labels, like Black Label, which is of course neutered now.
But because DC has more precedent of doing multiple labels, multiple versions of the characters and because they're either establishing in their own cinematic universe where they're like, no, 16-jogers, screw it. You can get away with having a mainstream continuity at DC because you can do anything you want to see anyway and just call it something else. So, anyway. Flashpoint was the crisis that made you 52, but there's no crisis that undid it.
It's the plan of making. Luke S 681, which I assume stands for Luke Season 6, Episode 81, ever thought of doing a Lego L-swirls of Ethan? Just an episode about Legos? Yeah, I mean, I definitely thought about doing L-swirls of Ethan and that kind of falls into some plans and some ideas and some changes that I'd like to incorporate into the channel.
I would love to pass the baton of L-swirls over to the teen. And I don't mean forever. I just mean like, it would be nice to rotate, but I don't know how willing or how available anyone is, which is why you're only seeing me. Usually it used to be me in Tiffany most of the time.
That's also changed because Tiffany is busy or busier than ever before. But in the future, I would love to be in a position where it's like, Ethan's gonna host this one. He's gonna talk to somebody else or he's gonna talk to Dan from Toy Galaxy or me, anything to talk about Legos or Ben's gonna be on. He's gonna interview somebody else or he's gonna have Joel on or Tiffany's on.
She's gonna talk to Scott Snyder about switches, you know, like any number of different things that the versatility of L-swirls exchange lends itself to. So that would be really cool. I would love that. I would love to have all three of them hosted and just have it rotate like every week or every four weeks.
Jack Ingram cast an unused and underused actor from a Marvel or DC movie as a character in the opposite universe. Hmm, you just, Elba can go over to the DC universe and play literally anybody. It'd be cool. He'd be a great Jim Gordon.
He's a little old to play Jon Stewart at this point, but that'd be fine too. He can also voice anybody over at DC. That'd be fine. He could play Black Manta and it would have been pretty dope because he'd just don't griseled an old.
But yeah, he was an underutilized actor from that universe. Another underutilized actor. I guess I'd take Ezra Miller, set his name, the kid who played Flash, who's not probably gonna be Flash anymore, because he's fun. It's not a Flash, but he's fun.
And I think he'd play better in the Marvel universe. I don't know if he'd play, maybe Speedball or something. But yeah, I saw somebody mention it, like, wouldn't it be awesome to see Charlie Cox go over and play Batman? Yeah, that dude freaking rocks.
What I would rather see with Charlie Cox is him playing Darrative, look at the Marvel Cinematic Universe, because he's awesome. God, I'm on episode 10. I'm not finished with episode 10. I've watched episode 10 of Daredevil.
So we have three episodes left. God, I'm loving Charlie Cox. I think he's just so great. I wish you were on Twitter so I could tell him like, you're great.
But yeah, he's awesome. He needs to be in this universe. James Robbins, Sally, you and the rest of the weekly pill channels are ST or dope. Thank you.
I hope that's good. I want to write comics one day. What are some writers to study and some of their runs to help you answer I dig Winick and Gail Simone? Good question.
Actually, there's a great answer for you. Or at least a great tool for you. There's a number of books on how to write comics. Scott McCloud wrote five.
Peter David wrote a book writing comics, which you can find for cheap anywhere, which also fits conveniently on your comic shelf. But Scott Snyder recently made a video on his YouTube channel, which if you just Google Scott Snyder YouTube channel or Scott Snyder writing comics, you'll get it. He did a great video about writing comics. And the ultimate thing to take away from me about writing comics is this.
There is no format. So don't get hung up on how to write a comic book. The trick you should know is there's a couple of... there's a lot of tricks actually.
And that's part of the deal is just doing it and writing as much as you can and making the mistakes and learning from them. But if you're a straight up writer and you're not an artist in any way, you have to figure out what kind of artists you're working with and figure out if they want the structure of being told how many panels are on each page and what is in every panel. Or if they want to lose their structure where it's like, tell me what would be cool here, being more collaborative. And I find most artists like working in that environment, but I've worked with probably over 20 artists to this point.
And it varies from person to person. And it's very much across the gamut. You have no idea who's going to want the structure and who isn't. Also, limit your panels.
You want to go to like from four, maybe maximum six. You don't want to overdo it because you don't want to clutter your page. You don't want to overwork your artist. So those are kind of some rules of thumb.
But overall, there's no structure. And if you want to follow somebody about how to write comics, you can't go wrong with watching Scott Snyder's video. Gelsomone would probably answer any question you have on Twitter because she's very active there. But I would also check out Bendis.
And the reason why I say Bendis is because number one is very prolific. Number two, he's written a very, very wide spectrum of comics from noir to epic superhero adventures and events. So I would go back and look at his work. And the bonus with Bendis is number one, his scripts are probably available online.
Number two, he's happy to share them. And number three, if you go back to his earlier work with Marvel from 2001, there's a lot of experimental work that they were working on where they literally put the script in the margins with a number of titles. So, you know, look for those and you'll see some structure. Because I've noticed that there's a lot of different ways to find scripts.
And that reading script is a great way of learning the format that goes from writing movie scripts to writing comic books scripts. And seeing the different types that Bendis and Snyder and Simone and maybe Alan Moore and Warren Ellis have written, because Alan Moore scripts are available as well. And you can read those. I wouldn't go with the Moore scripts.
Well, he's very particular about what goes in every panel. So you don't want to be a first time writer doing Alan Moore stuff. He earned that opportunity to fill up the frickin page with that kind of shit. He also writes it only in caps, which is insane.
But yeah, also I think Bendis' website has a number of scripts you can download as well. Gabriel, no, sorry, Mr. Roboto. Hi, Halloween.
Will you do a show and will it be spooky? Yes, we will be doing a Halloween show. Yes, it will be spooky. I can answer that question honestly about both shows, Elsworld and Back Issues.
There is a Halloween episode of Back Issues, which did a grand total of four different books in one episode. It's a little longer than usual, but it's still not the longest episode we've ever done. For Elsworld, yes, we are doing. I've got two episodes that are primed and ready to be released, but certainly ready to be shot.
I'm going to be shooting an episode hopefully Saturday morning with a spooky comic book creator who has worked on a spooktacular comic book. For almost 10 years, and we're going to chat about a spooky franchise that he is involved with. And then hopefully Monday morning will be shooting an episode or Monday evening. I'm going to be shooting another episode, again, not live, but you know what?
That's how it can work with another comic book creator who is also a spooky author, who is also very proud of his spooky work, who would also be great to have it out. So we're doing a lot of different stuff. That's me pushing that because I want to change things up and try new things, pushing on the globe. So we're getting two different comic book creators and two different episodes, both of which are going to be spooky and both of which are going to be labeled Elsworlds.
So keep your look out for that. Gabriel Torbo, can you do a What If on Back issues? My first Marvel comic that I purchased was What If Punisher Killed Dereble? In any respect comics as more than kids stuff?
Yes. We actually did a What If book, What If Spider-Man Captain Universe Powers on a live stream we did. It was like a mini back issues. That was really fun.
We will do What Ifs on Back issues. We've done Elsworlds on back issues and in fact there's an Elsworlds coming up in the next few weeks that we're doing, maybe two Elsworlds. In a row I don't know. It really depends on what I can get done today into tomorrow for shooting.
But there's no reason not to do What Ifs just because they don't really count and they're not really real. There's a number of Epic What If stories we could totally do that would work really well and let themselves in the back issues format. So yeah, we can do that. One I would like to do is What If Hulk Killed Wolverine?
It's ridiculous and epic but I may relegate it to a good bad ugly episode. Will I end golden? What defunct comic publishers would you like to see have a comeback? Wow.
Defunct comic publishers like the Ultra Forces book Malibu? For me, I'm going to say Impact Comics. I think it was a kids label for DC but I didn't know that at the time when I was reading them. And I really responded well to them.
I thought they were clever and interesting. I really liked the Fly that was my favorite book from that series. So I bring back Impact. I don't know if I'd make it its own thing or if I wanted to be a DC imprint but I love it.
I thought it was really cool and very clever what they did with that. So that's what I would want to see. Come back. Then answer that question.
So with that in mind. By the way, somebody said like did you actually call it? Oh, I'm sorry, Gordon Fish I skipped you and I didn't mean to. But somebody mentioned like did you call What If comics not real?
Yeah, I did. They didn't happen. They don't count. And the reason why I'm kind of flipping about What If books is because for the most part, although if you read, I think Derick and Elektra, I think Frank Miller came back to write that one.
Elektra had survived. Frank Miller worked on that one because he was like, no, only I can do Elektra which is funny. But for the most part, the What If line was used to train or test incoming talent. You'll see books by Bagley and Capullo and Frank Miller and a number of other prominent creators, but some of whom, Marshall Estry, who are being tested to see if their books are going to be or their talent is going to be better utilized on a real book.
So while I don't mean to say that it's not real, they have they give you real emotions, they are legitimate fiction. I don't consider them canon, you know, because they didn't really happen in the main continuity. So I'm saying, so Gordon Fish, sorry about the skip, but let's get to you now. Would Parasite be interesting?
If he had a connection to Starro, they're both purple and energy absorbing. Would that be too similar to Symbius? No, I don't think so. Because Starro is very different.
Starro, Starro is a hive mind who, you know, takes over people's bodies and makes them do things more like a invasion of the body snatchers, kind of villain. More horror based, I think, than a Symbian actually. Because the Symbius is just a weird silly goopy monster that eventually they added too much depth to. But Starro's his own thing.
And if you were to make the Parasite into a Starro offshoot, I think that'd be fine because no one's doing anything with Parasite. Nobody does anything interesting with Parasite, honestly. He works really best when he's like on a one-off, like when he was in all Star Superman or whatever. Or in that Secret Origin book where he was like, ugh, when he's a mistake or an accident or some kind of freak of science.
But he feels more like a Spider-Man villain, really. Because he's a scientific accident, you know what I mean? But if you were to make him a Starro villain, yeah, I guess the idea of being that it's a dude who maybe he's the first person who's ever taken over by Starro and imbued into his physiology and started to have the whole human concoction right. He's like, usually when I invade a planet, I drop my spores on a people and then they turn into this.
I take over the bodies, but this guy got messed up. So I have to learn a lesson about changing his own unique physiology to better suits, body snatching as opposed to body morphizing, turning into a body horror character. That'd be kind of neat. Yeah, I think so.
So there you go. So no, I don't think it's too similar. I think you totally get away with it. Heartless thing.
I can't think of any questions. That's fair. So I'll just toss out some love your way. Well, thank you very much.
That's very appreciated. Can't wait for your next comic line discussion. My favorite so far is Should Batman Kill. Thank you very much.
Yeah, that was me being like, okay, we can't do Good Bad Knugly every week. We can definitely talk every week. So let's try and make Comic Line and Good Bad Knugly like alternating. Turns out it takes more time and effort to make those shows than I expected.
So I'm also relying on everybody's cooperation and everybody's like, I need everybody to read the book and also be knowledgeable. So it takes more time. So Good Bad Knugly is going every two weeks and Comic Line will be whenever we can do it. Whenever we have a conversation, it's worth having.
The Should Batman Kill is one where I was like, that'd be fun. And I think everybody here knows Batman well enough to have a conversation about it that would work. So I think we've been proven right. So thank you very much for checking that out and for you enjoying it.
Thank you for your love of the show and for us here. Taylor Pechert, did you talk to comics and hitting a thousand in March, which is crazy? What are the top creators writers and artists you'd like to see on the book? I guess if you're talking about making it into an anthology or like a celebratory book, the way they did action, 1000, everyone they can.
Doug Mench, Paul Levitz, Kelly Jones, I'm so sad we can't get Norm Rayfogle, but I would hope that they reprint something that Rayfogle drew. I would like to see, God, I guess a Bendis story would be kind of fun just because like, why not? And also like, those wall mark books are hard to find. But yeah, in terms of like classic creators, I mean, who else?
God, I'd love to see Frank Miller do a story just to see what Frank Miller would do, obviously, and also he's around and also I'm sure there's no way you can shut him up and stop him from doing it. I'd like to see, I'd like to see David Finch art, if not a different David Finch story. I'd love to see, oh, Jose Luis Garcielopes art in there. I'd like to see some Bruce Tim's story, maybe a Paul Deany story, maybe a Bruce Tim Paul Deany collaboration, if you will.
Neil Adams, I'd like to see. There is so much that you could do. Maybe Chuck Dixon, although I feel like that time has passed, but you know, if he's around, why not? There's a lot of different creators out there who've worked on The Dark Knight, who have informed that character in a significant way that would be a crime not to have them.
And I know that we're going to be disappointed because they're not going to have the right character. They're not going to have everybody on there. And it's going to be like, oh, like you're going to miss somebody. And that's too bad.
But like I know that's inevitable because so many people have worked on that character. As long as they try, I'm fine with it. As long as they give it good honest try. I get the oldest people because, you know, like we've lost Jim Parro.
But we can get Jim Starlin to do something that'd be cool. Anyway, Cam says, do you have a specific superhero toy you were attached to as a kid? Ooh, that's a great question. And the answer is yes.
Also in honor of the new Spider-Man DLC, what are some of your favorite Black Cat stories? My favorite superhero toys as a kid, man, that's a great question. I had a lot. I collected and bought a lot.
I didn't buy them, but I had them. Action figures when I was a kid, obviously. Like so many of us. I mean, if you watch our else worlds with me and Dan Larson from Toy Galaxy, we talked a little bit about what toys we had.
I have one of the, I guess my earliest action figure superhero toy that I can remember is I had a Kenner Superpowers Robin because I always loved Robin. And I had a, I had this weird like Robin Suckian Cup plastic character. I think it was in the Garcia Lopez style, but like it was just, it was a Robin. He's like doing it kind of like pose and he's holding onto a rope.
And that rope goes to a suction cup and you can stick the suction cup up to like a window or something. And I had that Robin plastic, Chachiki for a long time. Ultimately lost it. But but that was a, that was a very treasured superhero toy of mine.
I was very, very into Robin back in the day. When I got that Robin figure that was supposed to, that was actually Marlon Wayans, but repainted from the Batman Returns line. I loved that. I love those cloth capes, particularly the one with that one because it was the Tim Drake suit and it's awesome.
The double colored cape worked out terrific. Those are just Robin figures, but like, you know, he, man figures, I really, really like, I played with my tick figure until it's in Tenerbroga. So that's, that's a couple. But there's a lot because I have a lot of toys.
Favorite black cat stories. It's funny the evil that men do wasn't bad. I mean, it wasn't good, but like we should do that on back issues. Super sons are black at evil men do.
We'll see. I'm thinking about tomorrow. So I definitely don't want to do this. So yeah, black cat stories that I like.
I liked there's one of my earliest Spiderman stories, not the earliest, but one of them is the invasion of the spider slayers with Mark Bagley on art and I think Demetius or Micheline was writing it and black cat showed up and helped him out and like she, Mary Jane had like some feistiness going on. That was like one of my first introductions to the idea of like a love triangle. And that was kind of fun. But I guess, you know, I really loved reading the saga of the Black costume when Felicia was there.
Like I had this old like thick trade and most of the black costume stories and that one featured Felicia heavily and I really liked their dynamic and just, just for being a member of the cast. So it's not so much a favorite story as much as it is just like a stam's quo for her. So what is some free Neficaty costume that you miss that cares no longer where or seem to have been written out of continuity? We just talked about him, the Robin suit.
I know the Robin suit is like old and silly and like childish and elfish, but yeah, that's why he doesn't wear it anymore. I like that suit. In terms of a flashback because hey, nobody wears that old Robin suit anymore. So it's okay to refer to a time when he did wear it.
So I miss that. I miss the Tim Drake straight up suit. I miss the fact that they made it into Tim Drake or into Dick Drake to grace and suit. That really sucks.
I miss the old Superman suit in terms of being referenced because now he's got the gauntlets, but it's almost the whole suit. He's got those weird like golets. I'll take it and I can complain but I'm just saying if you want to refer to stuff that because I like the idea that Superman suit like for me when Superman was beaten to death by doomsday and his suit was getting torn, it's just close. You know, like when we got to the last issue, Superman 75 and every page full page slash Superman's suit is him, is his hairy, bare chested masculinity.
And I like that. And I like the idea that Superman suit is just close and just closes mommy for him. And every time you turn it every time you like intricate it, you make it weird. Even when they made it like the electric glue suit, it was like what are you doing?
Don't mess with it. You know, we've distilled it into its perfect form and then we're going to muck with it some more. So that's something I'd like to keep. There's a lot of different suits.
You know, I don't really get the whole like screen lantern. Let's project the lantern off of the logo. The logo's there. You don't need to logos.
I'm sure it's paying the answer to make. That's a couple. The red sand rush should marvel create another universe like Ultimate Universe where the heroes start from fresh and who should write Daredevil Spider-Man X, Fantastic Four and Avengers? That's a lot of questions, dude.
They already did that. It's called the universe. I think they should just bring it back. I don't think they should redo it because I don't think the people who are there now can do it.
There is no talent out there who can make it work the way they did when they created the Ultimate Universe. Even the universe couldn't sustain itself because they got away from them. I don't think they should do it because I don't think they can hack it. But if they were going to do it, you know, you get new talent, you get new blood, you get hungry people who are desperate to tell cool stories.
Because we never really got a good Ultimate Daredevil. We never really got a good Avengers outside of the two Ultimate Stories. Fantastic Four is debatable and X-Men, again, got ran to the ground. You need hungry, desperate people.
But if that's the case, just put them on the main books then. Will I ungolden? What comic you don't like? There's a lot of comics that are not good.
The warrior, I guess. Although I even enjoyed it because it's so silly. I have a wrong box from Good Bad Noggin that's full of books that I don't like. The Hechler is a book I don't like.
I don't like Keith Giffon's weird paradex style. So let's put it that way. Taylor Pesterback, planning on doing Warren Ellis, books on back issues. I know most of his work is from Wild Storm of Vertigo.
I don't know how popular they'd be used wise. I tell you something, we did really well with Moon Knight. So maybe Warren Ellis's Moon Knight's issue series would be a good fit. So that'd be really fun.
Hey! I'm visited by a special guest. So yeah, if we were to do a Warren Ellis book, I have two Warren Ellis books. One is Moon Knight.
The other one is Wild Cat X-Men. I'm sorry, not Wild Cat X-Men. That's a different book. What do we might do?
But it's Wild Cat's Aliens, which I was like, I can't believe they did this. I doubt we'll ever do it though, because Wild Cat's did not do well in the channel. Cam, if you were in charge of DC, what would you do with the Robin character? Give it back to him, make him a new Robin, keep him as an alien, or cudar the mantle.
I have like a Robin gettin. You know, get rid of most of them. They don't have to die. I think it'll be cheap to just kill off Duke.
But I think if Duke were like, this is dumb. We're gonna have a Bruce's dumb. These people are psychos. I'm not a psycho.
Just take his signal powers and go away, join the whatever the hell team. That'd be great. Go be your own character and see if you can succeed Duke. Hey, welcome to the show.
It's Tiffany, everybody. I heard you were doing a solo show. I was, but I figured you were gonna be busy. You want to cheer?
I don't know, maybe. Yeah, we gotta stay on. We got 10 more minutes. I can stay on.
No, this is artsy. I guess. Alright, fair enough. But yeah, I have a Robin Geddon.
Duke would go away, but not like in a like, ScrooDoo kind of way more like a Duke stand on his own and not be a back character. You know, I get rid of, I don't know if I'd keep Tim at this point. Tim has been so screwed up. I'd probably have Tim like, merge with his, you know, I'd superman rebirth Tim Drake and make him into the real Tim Drake and have him be like, not stuck in time.
But then again, that's based on the idea that like, what if, you know, what if the people who hate legacy characters who screwed DC over the first place were still working there? Of course they are. I'd be met with resistance every step of the way. You know, Blue Jay would go, Blue Bird would go away.
Blue Jay. Blue Jay. I'm a real %fucker in the quest. Jason would like either die or kill the Joker like I suggested on the multidudent times.
Just narrow it down. It would let down significantly. Yeah. You know, put the...
I don't even know if there's a Jason Memorial still in the blockade. Put that back up. And it'd be like, it'd be a reference to the Robin mantle. Like all the Robins are gone.
Yeah. So you know, it's more like, it used to be for Jason, but now it's for everybody. So there you go. Luke S681 should they do a non-Earth-1, ultra DC universe?
Yeah. Yeah, they should. I think the earth-1 universe is the DC ultimate universe. I think it would work great.
I mean, I wonder if they think that their else worlds are like that, where it's just like, but they doesn't have to share continuity. And if we want them, do they go in? Who cares? That's the other way to do it with Earth One.
I'm just saying like, the Batman Earth One? That's ultimate Batman. Like, the Superman Earth One? That's ultimate Superman.
Yeah, but I mean, like, I think that part of them also thinks that like, else worlds is like exploring that without committing. Right. Like, if they do an else worlds or when they're doing black lately, you know what I mean? Like, here, here's an alternate thing, but we don't want to commit to it.
Yeah. You're running unless you like it. Do you like it? Right.
Yeah. Yeah. Well, like, ultimate, the Earth One Titans were definitely the ultimate Titans. I think it works.
I think you could do it. Yeah. You should sit. No.
Why? I have zero makeup on. Oh, okay. I just came here if it worked.
Not fair enough. Fun fact, I don't wear makeup to work. Well, yeah. Why would you?
I'm looking like a hobo. You don't look like a hobo. Oh, I do. You're quite beautiful.
Tavia, would you cover Dark Dog's Metal for Back issues? Yes. It was supposed to happen soon, but it didn't. I need to reread it and get over it and go over it.
I didn't read it. I didn't read all the Titans. So I'm like, and I know that I'm going to skip something and everyone's going to go, whoa! I have several of them.
I don't think anything works. Just me. I'm a face. Yep.
None of them wear makeup. No. We just roll out of bed and show. The only person who I would even question would be Ben.
But he does. As far as we know. No. The only time Ben and I weren't makeup was when we were in theater together in high school.
Yeah. And you had to. We had to. No, we did not.
But the moms in charge really thought we did. Oh. No, remember being like, there's a lot of blush. Yeah.
We don't need to be like that red face. We're not like cheeky Cherub's. You're not children. No, but you are.
You are. You were little Cherub's. Yes. So yeah.
I forgot. I like horror that is like. I like horror that is horror and then ends. Okay.
You know, like I like the slasher genre, but I also like when the hero wins. Okay. You know, so like whenever the slasher like gets like, okay, the ending of Nightmare on Elm Street, I love Nightmare on Elm Street until he kills the mom at the end. That's more than a four year old movie.
But like when he jumps in the window and like breaks all the rules we've established in the movie and then he gets her and then he kills the mom and I think he gets her out of number. But either way, I think he just kills the mom and she's like, just left there. But like that sucks. For me, it's like that's unsatisfying.
I like stories as much as I don't like one particular genre of things. So like for horror, I like horror if it is a satisfying story, not so much as because I love seeing people die or I like having a being afraid, you know. So I don't like horror. I guess.
And I do like being story, but I do like it's if it follows a story structure. Okay. So like, yeah, you know how to be Japanese horror. No, no, I'm not in any capacity really.
I'm not a Japanese story fan because I don't follow Western structure. Like, you know what I mean? Well, that's the point. It's not.
It's not Western. I know. That's how I like my stories. Okay.
So, you know, what about you? Well, I like least favorite version of horror, which really isn't even like a genre within it. I mean, I guess it is. I don't care for like the jump scare or the unearned jump scare.
Right. Because it's just like that's just like that's not really anything. You haven't earned it at all. Like we just like anyone can do that.
You know, like I like the earned jump scare. Yeah. So like it has to like be very sparing. And I also like the kind of horror that haunts you and it hangs with you.
Like the kind of horror that like just like bores itself into your brain and just like hatches, like thoughts and ideas that you don't want in there. Right. That's the kind of horror that really really gets to me. I really dig it.
Yeah. Taylor Patrick, more personal questions. Since you guys are from Jersey, what are your favorite Jersey bass musicians? Springsteen, Bon Jovi, etc.
I was a big stabbing Westward fan as a teenager. I think they were Jersey based. I don't remember. Is what's that guy who wrote Doom Patrol?
Oh, well, Mr. Jarrod Way. Yeah, Jarrod Way. Is he from Jersey?
If my chemical romance is from Jersey, I dig my chemical romance a little bit. Yeah. And I prefer Springsteen to Bon Jovi. Me too.
But I will rock out to living on a prayer at every wedding I go to. Cam, favorite creepy main continuity superhero story. I guess Craven's last hunt. But like, yeah, because it's earned and it feels like an actual creepy story.
It's in continuity. Right. I guess right now just like dark. It's just like dark is pretty great.
Pretty creepy. Not super creepy. No. It's not even a bunch of really great creepy stories in his Batman run that are good.