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Alright, let's get on with the show. Waiting down upon the underworld to smash gangland, come a friend of the unfortunate enemy of criminal. In a serious, all powerful character, a problem to the police, but a crusade of a law. Hello everybody, welcome to the Elder Scrolls Exchange, I'm Sal.
I'm Ethan. Hey, Ethan, welcome to the show, man. Thank you, it's gonna be here. First time Ethan's been on the Elder Scrolls Exchange, which is like...
Right. ...in five years. ...my inaugural appearance. Yeah, right.
Today we're gonna talk about something that Ethan and I have talked about at length, uh, too much media and how it's choking us to death. Uh, as a sensationalized article, we're really just gonna talk about it more in depth, and, you know, talk about like options, how there are too many of them, how it's sustainable, how... And it's really like a topic that's near and dear to my heart, because I'm like, I... I don't need to absorb every type of media.
Like, I do skip a lot of things, so like, I don't have to watch everything. Like, I'm the guy who didn't watch Game of Thrones, and so like, it's... But like, I'm the guy who was like, I don't give a shit. I got no more room up here for anything, much less Game of Thrones and Westeros and all that crap.
All these factions and families and spin-offs and novels, no, no, no. Uh, but like, other people can, and if that's the case, how can they possibly afford to have all this shit? Uh, but before we jump into the actual topic, I want to distress some things right away. Uh, this is an interactive show.
If you do want to participate or ask a question, please feel free to use the superchats. It allows us to keep track of everybody and, you know, do a reasonable pace. Also, we're gonna try and get to you as... to all of you, but we are gonna try and, like, weave you in organically to the conversation so that it's not like jarring to just stop a good, you know, a good role.
So let's jump into a couple of them before we actually start this topic because there are a bunch. Gibson Bradfield says, speaking of too much content to consume, what's an ideal comic purchase week for you guys? As someone with a lot of subscriptions, mine's 10 issues. Ethan doesn't buy them.
Yeah. So, not like, and he steals them, it's just that he hears about them from me. Um, but it's anywhere between four and like 15. Uh, I discern, like, I'm really careful about what I buy and I don't, like, I don't have to read, like, because we don't cover everything on this channel, like, we don't need to read everything.
Um, but like, if I hear good things, I'll pick it up. It's like, on an average week, it's anywhere between like three to like, to 15. Um, so, and it's only because, and I can, I can make it to 15 because I'm like, I can write off every comic purchase I make. Right.
But if you read a theme, that's, that's a massive range. Yeah, exactly. No, and then, well, because like week to week, it's sometimes the week, like last week, it's sucked. There was like two books.
And then it's like, oh, actually there were like 30 books. It's like, good for you. I'm glad you get forward $4 an issue. Adam has the most of his first.
I'm still at school. Well, welcome and I'm glad you're enjoying your day. Polish gamer says, hey, yeah, Ethan. Also, normally I miss the ease.
Glad I'm here. I just wanted to say I feel like there's too much. I can't keep up with all the shows. My friends suggest.
Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. 100% agree. Cam, Ethan's your yes.
That is almost Mr. Popper's Penguin's ask. Ethan, yes. Yes.
Getting arts with a lobster. Just a quick stop in while at work, but I can see with the amount of media to consume and the rate it gets pumped out. I can totally see how people can at least get overwhelmed by it all. No, yes.
Overwhelmed in every respect, both like, in your like ability to absorb content and your ability to pay for the damn thing. Yeah. See you. So I don't have to see your ECOE's Coast Comic Con this weekend.
Happy I get to see this though. Yes. If you want to see me at Tiffany, well, on Friday and Saturday, not Sunday. If you want to go on Sunday, have a good time.
You won't see me. But yeah. So we got to the Battlelands. A lot of fun.
Full of shakers over here in the UK. Burger King is for superior. We were talking about Burger King earlier. Mm.
That doesn't surprise me. Oh, I don't know why. You guys had the mad cow while back. I didn't know you guys were coming.
Oh, yeah. Mad cow. That was a thing for a while and then went away. Good point.
It's Tour McNally sending some cash away because you guys always deserve it with your quality content. Take care. Thank you, Stewart. Yeah.
We're part of the problem. We are. We are absolutely 100% part of the problem, especially because you can watch us free. And so there's not even a financial disincentive to not.
It's like, oh, really? I got watched. My thinking. Yeah.
Sam Anderson says, is this getting digital media with Ethan? Oh, sure. If you want to ask. Yeah.
Um, yeah. So jumping, OK. So what started this whole thing was, I was like, OK, so Disney Plus, making their thing. Netflix, Hulu, CBS, all access, plus everything.
Like, if I just discount all of those three resources. But those are the ones that get any press of the particular content they have. Amazon. Amazon, right.
Thank you. HBO. Right? HBO Go.
I'm always hearing about like other ones I never heard of and did not know existed. Yeah. And I'm like, how? Right.
Oh, and I'm seeing people. They're rolling out with more. Yep. Oh, yeah.
Remember when it was just the one? And how was it sustainable? It is it? Yeah.
It's funny because like, it's been not sustainable for a while. And yet they're still rolling out new ones. So it's like, it's like, the problem is getting like, exponentially worse. And like until recently, I didn't really care because like, you know, like, CBS kind of annoyed me because I did want to see Star Trek.
But then I like, and anything about Star Trek is like, I'm never mind fine. Yeah. But what if it was great? Right.
That might be really annoyed. And so that's what's going to happen with Disney Plus when that gets rolled out. It's probably going to want to watch some of those shows. Yeah.
Oh, I'm not going to. Not only are you going to want to watch some of those shows, but for some of us, we have to watch some of those shows. Or like, I mean, even if like, you ever know. Well, I was never watched like, Flash or Arrow or Gotham.
Yeah. Those are free. And those are free. No.
I didn't watch season two of Jessica Jones or Iron Fist. You're not watching season two of Jessica Jones and Iron Fist. But I missed a lot of stuff that I really should have watched. You know what shouldn't have done was said that none of it was connected and it didn't matter.
That didn't help. Yeah, they lost out. Yeah. I was like, oh, you mean I'm never going to see King Penny in a Spider-Man movie?
Well, then get fucked. Yeah. But like, OK, just looking at the amount of media, like not just the streaming services and shows and shit, just what there is. Because, OK, people talk about like the death of the comic industry.
And they're like, comics are dying. And it's like, yeah, comics were dying. But now they must be like really dying. And here's why.
Right. When comics were new. And by new, I don't mean like K paintings. I mean, like actual like, you know, like.
Oh, not K though. Yeah. I'm talking about like comic books. Their competition was stick ball and farming.
Like the competition was like playing outside with your friends and like the three hours of television that were available. Now it's like, OK, you could you could be comics or you could watch movies or you could watch every TV show imaginable or you could watch YouTubers or you could watch YouTubers talking about the TV shows that you're watching or you could read like you could get really into politics, which is its own like entire media industry. Yeah. Like cable news is basically its own like content provider.
For a political narrative, like there is on every level on every conceivable. There's also of course like, oh, you like comics? What kind of comics do you like? Do you like comics starring women who dress as bunny rabbits who fight like ninjas?
Because I have a web comic for you. And it's been going on for 17 years. Yeah. Yeah.
And it's I mean, it's been like that since almost the beginning, right? Like there used to be three TV channels in like the 50s. Like not that long ago, you know, it's only three TV channels. And now there's like hundreds of TV channels.
Now it's like now there are not only TV channels, but now like you've got like Pluto TV. You've got like fake TV that have fake channels that are aggregating other things and turning them into TV channels. Like yeah. And the longer that TV exists, the longer that YouTube exists, the more archival content you have.
Right. There's more shit you missed watching something else that you got to catch up on. So it's like, oh, what if like you are a nerd and you were born in 2003 and you just found out that Animaniacs exists? You know, like, oh, I got a lot of catching up to do.
Like you used to be, oh, I got to catch up on those three Star Wars movies and six Star Trek movies. Like it's literally. Yeah. Oh, pop culture.
There wasn't nearly as much. Oh, like, oh, you like Star Trek? Here are the six movies from the original series. Here are the TNG movies.
Here are the five shows. Yeah. Three of which got seven seasons. Like, come on.
Oh, and if you like that, you're going to love like Battle Star Galactica. That's five seasons. Exactly. And oh, if you want to watch Battle Star Galactica.
It's. Yeah. And if you like Star Trek, like classic TOS and Battle Star, you should probably watch the original Battle Star also. God help me with you.
Never do it. I loved Battle Star Galactica. Not going to go back and watch the original. Nope.
Our mutual friend Jason, he'll catch on a hundred percent of Back Issues. Vayorsquest was a big B-Star-Jish fan from the old jail. No, no, no, that doesn't. That's right.
I mean, he also liked Night Rider and fucking Cazards. So. I'm sure Night Rider was great. I never watched it.
I was more than MacGyver. Right. See, that's your practical brain. I for me, I think.
Night Rider is actually a part of the problem in terms of like, Night Rider was great. I think compared to. Yes. That was a talking car.
Cool. How is that even possible? Yeah. Now, basically, it's not really about the talking car.
It's really about like the quest of the individual against talking blah blah blah blah. Right. It's not Man versus Machine. It's Man and Machine.
I think he called it the other day on Facebook or whatever in some conversation, like a modern take of the Lone Ranger. Wait, that's a real thing that happened? Yeah. Yeah.
I mean, it was conceived as like a modern retelling of the Lone Ranger. Is the car Tonto? No. The car is either Tonto or his horse.
Oh, like silver. Because the car was not originally supposed to talk. So I think the car is silver. So it's like silver and Tonto.
I guess. Yeah. They were like, wait a minute. There's no Tonto in this like Lone Ranger retelling.
We'll make the car talk. It's both. I don't know enough of my friends. I didn't watch it.
Someone who'd watch could be like, oh, Tonto was like, Mr. Whatever. Yeah. Right.
Yeah. I'm a little more Matt Loth and Knight Rider. I was going to make a Conrad reference. But anyway.
But anyway, so anyway, the point being, there's too much content for you to even absorb. If you have a job and a social life, you can't watch it, read it, absorb it. It's like a nightmare for completists. The modern world.
Yeah. Yeah. It's a nightmare for like pop culture junkies for anyone who wants to be a water cooler expert. Like, and then- Oh god, you're like video games.
Oh god, help you. I forgot to mention video games. And it's never ending supply. And if you're a true gamer, you had to play all these old games.
You got to catch up on 30 years of gamer experience. And even if you're only into the story aspect of pop culture, well, video games got that now too. Like, nobody's playing Mario for the story. But you are playing the last of us for the story.
Like, so if you want to participate in the phenomenon of Halo, because it's such a major cultural touchstone and people talk about, oh, I love when like, Tonto, whatever. Like, you got to play those games. Right. You got to play hundreds of hours.
Unless you want to watch a Twitch streamer play those games or something. But even then you're getting their interpretation of it. Right. Right.
Either way, you're spending the time. You spend a lot of time. Yeah. There's just none of ours in the day to consume all this stuff.
No. And like, yeah, it's. Or even close. I probably, you know, I guess where's the year.
And I think like the amount of stuff that I watch as a percentage of stuff I want to watch, I have something like that I might want to watch that. It's probably about 10% to 20% at this point. Like, there's that much stuff that I want to see that I just don't touch. And I remember you were lamenting the fact that you were like, there are some things that I know I want to see.
And I would really enjoy. I'm never going to watch it. Yeah. I'm literally never going to see it right now.
I will never watch it because I'm not watching it now. And there are going to be new things coming out that I don't even know about that I'm going to really want to watch. So, and there's stuff now that I want to watch more than other stuff that I'm also not watching. So that's how I know certain things I will never watch.
Because it's just like so far down the priority list. Yeah. This is so big. Well, and I have got a life.
Like we got to like maintain relationships and friendships and family and like pay the bills and go to work and like. Time to go outside. Right. You know, it's a fine.
Yeah. Yeah. There is there is a dearth like it's just you are you are swamped with content. And then like, so you're also budgeting your time in order to manage any of it.
You got to pick and choose which actually is kind of like a horrible reflection of like the the further fragmentation of society and humanity where it's like the internet has democratized everything. And so as everyone has access to everything. And so now you can't you're not a Star Wars fan. If you like that, you know, you're a I like this specific.
I only like the original trilogy and the Clone Wars show, but not rebels. And also not that like weird cell shaded cartoon they made. But I do like the original Clone Wars cartoon from Tartoski. Like and now it used to be like Star Wars cool.
And we have some to talk about now. It's like you like Star Wars. But like what kind of Star Wars? We put you through a filter.
It's the wrong kind. I'm going to hate you more than like anyone else. I'm going to hate you more than nothing in common. Yep.
That's a horrifying prospect. And yet it happens every single day. Yeah. And it gets worse every every single day.
Yeah. And it gets worse every single day. It's a very single day in the world. There's more content.
And so that means that every single day that you see me, the content is worse than they've got. Yeah. So what do you mean? What about today?
Is it worse than your life? Yes. What's messed up? And it is like it's there's.
At least in that for that one thing, it gets worse all the time. Yeah. I mean, like if you want to find a greater purpose, because there was a troll in the comments, it was like, bitch, I'm going to own it about how it's first world problems. And he's fucking bad.
And I'm like, it's a problem. I mean, I'm not going to disagree. Yeah. But like if you want to be the first one, so these are my problems.
This is a fucking comic book podcast on the internet. Like the entire thing is always ever going to be first world problems. Literally like, hey, don't you hate it. Like there was a fucking Did you see the Pro Z video that was like, he goes, oh man, I have to hate it when you when you lose your keys.
And like, oh, actually I hate it when like there's starvation in Africa I mean, it's like I'm not a monster. So like, yeah, I also don't like those things. Right. But like I'm not talking about that right now.
And that's not what this format is. But like if you want to make it part of something greater, it's it's it's symptomatic of a larger problem with society, with humanity, where it's like we're getting we're getting interconnected. People are finding like meaning and purpose and fandoms and people. But like they're not.
But as a result, are they sacrificing their ability to actually communicate with people better? Right. Because if you're the internet gives you a way to segment yourself, to create niche communities where you don't have to like adapt just fine, like rather than like figure out how to get along with lots of different people, I'll just find people that I already get along with and do just with them. Right.
Like right in the moment, because you don't have to like work or try in the long term, it creates lots of problems for society to function. You need to get along with people who are different than you. That's kind of what we're losing. That's exactly right.
Like you're losing the ability to communicate with people you don't have an immediate touch done with. That's such you can't compromise. Yeah, because like, why would I ever compromise? I'll just go somewhere where I don't have to.
And that's like, I think if we're gonna circle it back to what we're talking about, like compromise is what people are advocating when like people hear this topic. I've read it a couple times like in public where I'm like, yeah, it was too much content. They're like, just watch what you want. It's like, yeah, that is compromise.
But also if I want to grow as a person and I want to like adapt and change my tastes or the very least challenge them, I gotta try new things. And if they're making a daredevil show just for me, right, and like, I want to watch that. That's for me. But like if Black Mirror is challenging my conception of science fiction and technology, like I should watch that too, because it's helping me grow as a creative individual or at least a consumer content.
But if there's 17 seasons of all those things plus my life, I gotta pick and choose. And you know, the older you get and the more, like, you know, the fewer hours in the day, there are like, you're gonna choose the familiar because at the end of the day, what this is, is escapism. What this is, is something to help you relax. Like, do you play the video games?
You watch TV, read comics to relax. It's why like, Tom King's Batman runs a stress and people are like, I don't want to be this upset all the time. I'm just trying to like read about these high flying adventures of the superhero. Who is it real?
But you're like really fucking up for me because like, my life is hard. And we're gonna told it like the understand. Yeah. Oh, if you work at Told with I feel very bad for you because you're gonna be out of a job in like five years.
Whenever I go through a Told booth, which in Jersey I do quite often. Yeah. Because I only have one easy pass I share with my wife and so I such I'm often without an easy pass, even though I do more trowel. Like, you know, I'm a Told booth more often.
I'm so thankful when there is a human being back there. And. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
If you don't have the easy pass, you need that human because they'll forget the coin things. Like, like, never worth it. I'm like, Oh, thank God, it was a person here. Here's $3.
Like, like, I'm here, but yeah, no, it's true. Like, I'm sorry, but like that's emblematic of the other problem, which is like everyone like automation is destroying industry. Well, but now this is interesting because we're talking about like not having enough hours in the day. Well, if they automate everyone out of the job, then we'll all have plenty of time to discuss this.
Well, that's the thing. Like, pure form of a consumer could be where our society's headed. Where all we do is consume. Like, yeah, like everyone's on, you know, basic government assistance, because there's only like a few people who just own all the robots and all the robots and all the work.
And they're like, the only way for society to work is like, well, they, you know, the taxes on the handful of people who have our like trillionaires will fund basic income for the rest of us. And we'll just sit around watching YouTube, watching Apple like us, like, bitch about the world. Yeah. I mean, isn't that basically just the Federation?
Like, isn't that like, for the future? Like, everybody has everything they need because there's so much abundance, opposed to scarcity society. Yeah, there's a abundance. There's like, we don't have replicators.
We do have like the closest thing to replicators right now, which is like, everything is actually we're in like this weird crossroads. I think you want to talk about like where we think we're going. It's like, I think we're at a crossroads where it's like, it's not utopia. It's actually like right before the utopia, but unfortunately, the thing that is before utopia is like, uh, utter annihilation.
Right. Everything is everything costs nothing to make, but it's still as expensive as it was 25 years ago. See, that's not entirely. Well, yeah, because yeah, I mean, so I'm starting to say it, yeah, because like, like computers are way cheaper than they used to be, right?
Computers cost a fortune. And now they're like pretty cheap and they do way more. So that's something that has gone down a cost. If you look at like a TV, TV's have been the same price forever because I just keep increasing like the stuff in the TV.
It's more value, but it never actually gets like easier to get the thing. Yeah. Well, I don't want you to think about TV as the example. Cause I was thinking like, TVs, I think are cheaper to make than ever before.
There's fewer complications. There's like, if, if, if, if, if, if it's really less physical stuff. Uh, and yeah, and what you see is like TVs are trending larger, right? Like screen size.
So I think we're all paying the same amount for TVs, but we are getting more. And I don't know if it's like, you know, here's the thing. That's what you say. This is a bad idea, but if you just want to like stop putting new shit into TVs, TVs, it costs like almost nothing to make.
They would be like dirt cheap because like everything's already invented. Yeah. And you turn it out in massive quantities, you buy a TV that's like the same one for five years ago. Let's be honest, the TV I have five years ago is as good as the one I have now.
It's not 4K, but like I can't fucking tell the difference or barely. So, and I do I need like a TV that's for K? I was perfectly happy with my 1080p TV. So like if we would just like stop.
I think it would be cheap. And is it like, we need like, yes, there's a built in Roku, but like Roku's are $25. Right. Like, yeah, and I'm like, proportionately, like no, like the, it's like, oh, no, it's a smart TV.
It's wireless and it has a Roku. Like, okay, well, like what if I don't need any of that shit? Oh, then it's going to be like $800 cheaper. Yeah.
And it's like, well, but all those combined costs, only $25. I got a separate device. Right. It wants a separate device though.
It's like, who gives a shit? I mean, for the convenience of like put it on one thing. It's true. But I just saw the new Roku.
My folks was like, what one? It's the size of like, I don't know, a book of matches. Yeah. The curve is the curve TVs, right?
I think that was I think curved TVs are deliberate, like scam to try and delay the devalue of televisions. Yes, it's like we got to keep we got to have a reason for these things, which are inherently becoming cheaper to make all the time cost the same amount of money. Let's add a complication to the manufacturing process and tell people that it's like better, but it's like actually like better in like a very specific scenario and like worse in like other scenarios. It's like, why would I do that?
Remember the 3D TVs and how like that went from like a thing that everyone saw that they needed to have to they were gone. Oh, yeah. Because everyone responded by being like, I'm not going to buy the exact same TV, but for double the cost with this one complicated bullshit edition. Yeah.
At least consumers responded that way. We'll say they're with curved TVs. I was like, I've seen anything about the curved TVs in a while. It goes, I keep seeing them and when I do, I'm like, really?
Yeah. That's like the 3D TVs. Like there was a period where they just kind of dwindled and then they were gone. I just don't happen with curved TVs.
I hope that happens with curved TVs. They really just like look distinct and interesting. That's really about all you're getting. That's right.
Yeah. Well, you know what it is? It's a way for you to show that you have however much more a curved TV costs than a regular TV. That's a symbol.
Yeah. That's really quick before we circle back is that the second way from this is to the cost of all the media we need to absorb. But before we do that, there's a lot of super chats when I get to. All right, Silver Cricket says, I family members that lived when TVs were invented.
And before they passed, they said there was way there was two entertainment when there was six channels. I don't believe that this could be the ramlings of old people who are yelling at clouds, but I think not. Yeah, I mean, to some degree is because the rate at which things get worse as a consequence of this is very slow. But that being said, it is cumulative.
And I think there are like real implications for society that are negative. It's not to say like this is going to ruin the world, but it is a thing that has consequences that are not entirely positive. And often viewed as entirely positive. I think that's starting to change.
But you know, the whole thing, you know, we'll connect everybody and, you know, we're starting to finally see some of that enthusiasm give way to concern. It's a good reason. I hope so. Blamell Shreyster says I hardly watch Netflix and movies shows anymore.
I prefer watching you guys and read a little media more than anything high for digital Ethan. Just kidding. But yeah, I hear you, man. Like, I think there are a lot of people who are definitely like the people who are either experiencing fatigue or people who burn out from trying to absorb it all or for people who are just pragmatic or going like, there's too much.
And the reality is like anytime you like, if you're given too many things to do or if you like think you have too many responsibilities going on, you're going to like not burn out, but you're going to go, OK, everything needs to stop. I don't have any time for any of these things. I'm going to pick and choose one of you to do. Yeah.
And so yeah, like I hear you with respect to that. I definitely scaled back like YouTube channels. I used to watch. And it was not from a lack of like interest as much of a lack of time.
Yeah. Polish gamer says a tricky over here to keep up. There's three separate subscriptions required to watch all the shows and movies. There you go.
How much you paying for that now? Like $25 a month? Like that sucks. Cam says hashtag getting fiscally responsible with Ethan.
That's a lot of show. Yeah. That's a solid show. That's like that's going to MSNBC or MSNBC or whatever the hell channel that is.
Yeah, you see. See, I see. Thank you. Hey Carter says my Netflix Amazon prime Marvel Unlimited and Hulu are staying, but I will drop other services to pay for the Disney Plus service.
Now there you go, right? Yeah. Netflix. What is it now?
11 12? Netflix depends. If you're got like the highest thing, I think it's like 16 or something. Like I know that we have the bare minimum.
I think they bumped it to 11 or 12. Yeah, I have the 4K. So like I'm paying through the nose. Yeah.
But like let's say it's 11 Amazon prime. That's another 10. I think if you get if you do Amazon prime monthly, it's like $13 a month. If you do it, you're like, it's a little less already.
We're getting Marvel Limited. That's another like that's another monthly cost. Hulu was like we're looking at you paying the proportion of amount of like a cell phone bill now. Yeah.
Or or if you combine all of them, there are definitely people. If you bought everything, everything, that's like a major content provider, like all the ones we mentioned, I mean, you're at the cost of cable bill, at least the promotional introductory cable bill rate of 90, whatever it was. Yeah. Yeah.
Counting including your internet. So like, you know, everyone bundled their internet with their TV. So you have your internet and your TV and it was like 99 bucks a month or whatever. We're easily at that.
I'm paying 50 bucks a month for my internet. And then, you know, if I was to have like all the content providers that I like would ever watch, I would easily be over $100. Right. All.
And well, we'll get there. I want to talk about that. That's the most that's like the real like part of the art show. Adam Grove says, up y'all, much love.
Thank you very much. Polish gamer games are mad now. Example, Kingdom Hearts requires a freaking guide to the order to play the games. Number three is the 13th game in the series.
You're not wrong. Tiffany has it. It is. You're absolutely right.
It's nuts. And that's like, I want to get into Kingdom Hearts, which is like aggregate of content. Like Kingdom Hearts is, it's wearing an X plus Disney. Ali Al Ziyadi says, what would be your solution to so much content?
Let me put a pin in that. Yeah. We are going to ask question of the day. So hang on.
Preston's Brian, Ah, the Wally future. No. So we're going to pick it. I'm a big Gundam fan that's 50 year old franchise, took me a solid year to watch everything and then get in.
So if I want to recommend the franchise, I pick up and choose specific parts to recommend because it's too much for some. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I mean, like, let's say I wanted to get someone into Spider-Man.
I have 80 years of comics for you to read. So I have to pick and choose. Shai be just helping us out. Thank you very much.
Shai Stuart McNally, geez, I just wanted your insight on media saturation, nothing impending apocalypse. I guess that doesn't just make those things go hand in hand. Yeah. Yeah.
Yeah. Have a little like a rapid innovation. Right. It's a great problem.
But also it's it, but don't forget that word is still a problem. Gibson, Bradfield, you guys were talking about the disappearance of the monoculture TV has fragmented so much that even TV viewers can't watch all the good shows. Correct. Yeah.
Yes. Monoculture. That is the thing. Yes.
That is happening. Yeah. Chase Eichler speaking of Tom King. Did you hear what he said about his Batman twist?
He said it will change the character for generations. What does that mean? Sorry. I know it's not the subject, but I just want your take.
It means that he had to ask permission from the top brass to change something big. It also means that because his sales are dwindling every month, that it will not be for generations to come because people are so. So done with his run. I said this earlier.
It's a quote I'm going to use from now on. It's called everybody has a stop on the Tom King Batman train. Eventually, everybody finds the end of the line. No one's no one's going to be there when it finally comes to the station.
Like eventually we all find our stop on the Tom King Batman train. That's amazing. Devashish Mapatra says feel like we've reached us. We will reach a saturation point where internet will start selling packages for streaming services.
So basically cable again. That's one possibility. Definitely. Definitely.
Yeah. Well, that would be like almost ideal at this point. But we'll see. Yeah.
Amen. At least as in the UK, a total the total per year would be two hundred thirty one pounds and eighty eight pets. Total of what? I guess the total of all those packages together.
All those services we mentioned. Yeah. That's outrageous. So yeah, everything costs something.
We're talking about the cost of these all of this content. Let's say you just want to even if it's just like, oh, no, I'm not going to pay. I'm not a crazy person. I'm not going to get it all.
Right. Game of things over. Obviously, we're all going to cancel our HBO go last week tonight is on YouTube. So at least the best parts.
Yeah. So that's it. Right. That's the end of the show.
So that's going to have a spin off. So right. But not for a while. So cancel the rap.
That the end of the show, which no spoilers, but like apparently pissed off more like two thirds of their audience. So last episode, definitely a fair number of people. So like who would want to be who would want more? Did you hear by the way?
I enjoyed that episode. I understand the people who didn't. And I share many of the concerns I selected. Did you see that the guys who wrote this season consulted on George Lucas on it?
No. Amazing. I mean, the choices they made, this is a frickin tangent, but like specifically decision to like only have six episodes this season, I'd have a shorter season, like prior make no sense. If I read that was not imposed by HBO, they're like, oh, we can wrap it up.
But it's like literally no, you can't. Like you have changed the nature of the show in order to compress the same amount of stuff into fewer episodes and not for the better. No, not at all. And I don't understand it.
It's like really confused me. The only thing I could figure is that maybe they sold HBO and like, we'll spend the exact same amount of money total that we would have had episodes but we're going to spend it on six so we can have like more cool looking stuff. That makes that most sense to me. That's the only thing I can like think of to like understand why it would have been done that way.
Yeah. And I disagree with that right off. Well, sure. Having seen all but the last episode, right.
But that was tangent. But anyway, so let's say you were selective. Like you weren't like just like, oh, I don't care. I'll get it all.
Like no, no, no, you're selective. You're so. By the way, we were talking about the cost of Netflix. I'm looking at it right now.
So the ultra HD package, I have $16 a month. The cheapest is $9 a month. That's no HD at all. Oh, $16 a month.
You're paying it. You're paying it. Like, OK, like just, you know what? Well, we come up with these things.
I want to write down how much these things cost. Just like Hulu, because there's a lot of exclusivity. I know Hulu has like stuff like Law and Order, E.R., Family Guys, South Park, Bob's Burgers, Brooklyn Nine, Nine. You know, so they have a lot of exclusive shows.
I know Netflix. Some people have Netflix and it's kind of outrageous just to not have to own the office on DVD. Just buy the show. Well, then I got $100 or whatever or more.
So like, that's like multiple months of Netflix subscription. So in the long run, that's literally what you're watching, you know, pay for itself. But if you want to buy like a second show, well, now you're at like, that's going to cost you like two years in Netflix. So like, I kind of get it.
But if it is literally just one show, it's not worth it. Right. No. I'm also looking at like DC universe and like Marvel limited because like with this is a compo show.
So it's like, we're looking at how much it costs. Like, Marvel and the cost on do it has just announced with the Disney. I think it's going to be six or seven dollars a month. Disney Plus, that's ridiculously reasonable.
I can afford it. Yeah. Now that being said, I'm sure it'll go up, but like it'll go up and everyone cancels their Netflix subscriptions. Well, that's the thing.
Yeah. But like, I know that I remember most of that I was reading recently about how they get a survey with Netflix subscribers and how it's like, what will it call? Like, what are you going to do now? Yeah.
Like it was a lot lower, like it was way less than 50% of audiences were like I'm leaving with when Disney Plus shows up. No, I was just right. It was 28%. That's like a staggering loss.
That's like how many people watched all of the Marvel shows? Yeah. That's well, that's how many people got Netflix for the Marvel shows or kept Netflix at the time when they might have otherwise canceled because of the Marvel show. Yeah.
That's a staggering number. I mean, no company can survive like a 28% drop in revenue and not change like substantially. Right. Now, is that, are those people really going to cancel or are they just like saying that they will, but in the end they'll keep it?
Yeah. I don't know. Um, but if we're just, I was a Netflix executive, I would be like, should have my pants. Absolutely.
Well, especially because like not only do I, okay, so I'm Netflix. I'm paying money handover best to produce content. Oh, yeah. That you might not even watch.
And you're leaving. And we cancel everything after three seasons, no matter what. It's like, by the way, really quick old, old school tangent aside, uh, Nickelodeon when they were making shows like Sloot Your Shorts, welcome freshmen. Uh, it's a whole bunch of questions that in temple, hey, dude, they had like a deal when they were like after three seasons, regardless of its success, yeah, cancel the show.
What the fuck? That's so dumb. So now I get why Netflix does it because like after three seasons, if we kept making shows, we would be bankrupt. Huh.
Well, wait a minute. Why don't you just make more scenes of that show instead of like created a new show? Well, that's really the thing is, I know the reason why because they're trying to create. So, okay, this is what I really want to talk about.