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I will have to hold you to that. He's not cancelled. They just didn't finish it. It's not cancelled so much as it's dead.
Yeah, it's dead. Like, here's the thing. Daredible Target. Also not cancelled.
Just never going to finish. Hickman Shield, same deal. Exactly. It's just stuff that couldn't get like, boozay clock.
Is it cancelled? No, no, no, it'll eventually come out. But like, if it didn't, it wouldn't be creepy because of any reason. It's just because the creators can't finish the damn thing.
So, yeah, trust me, all star Batman and Robin and Boy Wonder also known as, I think they changed the name before they realized they were never going to get another issue out. But yeah, don't worry. That was not cancelled. Don't blame the editors on that one.
Blame Miller not being able to finish the script and not being able to finish the drawings. That was all that was. That book sold like gangbusters. J-Time in the Geeksmith help with us out.
Thank you very much. J-Time end of the Geeksmith sounds like a band. And Radical Rash Super Sons cancellation was a stab to my heart. Yeah.
Yeah. Is that on your list, Joel? I know you have a, you've like, you've cooked up a pretty snazzy list. Thank you.
I do know it's funny. I probably should put super sons on there But super sons is kind of this weird thing where it's like yes, it was canceled But then they instantly got a mini series which was clearly just what to mossy was going to be writing anyway And I wouldn't be surprised if when this mini series is done. They fire up another mini series. That's fair Yeah, although I can't believe that Damien and John have had this many adventures before John went off with his grandpa I know but you know what like whatever I mean the fact is like they could the same that Ben is a don't superman They could literally be like okay.
Well, and he oh no that was happening to me I'm ten The canonicity two of those adventures of the super sons literally an issue one to mossy's like this is how he spent his summer But bender said this is how he spent it. Yeah, I don't care though. This is what I was gonna do anyway So you know what doesn't care about what I'm doing anyone else so I don't care about what he's doing screw you watch as I Reference year one and year two multiple times. Yeah, I love that theory like a to mossy scorned so It's funny.
There's a lot of books that I read as a kid or that I read in my teens That I was like it was pretty great and then it just died But there weren't too many That I like that that were canceled out from under me I mean like I wasn't like I was reading Aztec and I was really enjoying it and all of a sudden They pulled the rug out from under me like most of the time I was like checking things out and then I stopped reading Jessica Jones for example Mm-hmm. It was a fine See it was a fine see it Ben is when he and and everybody like Mac and and the leave were working on it back in the day the first series loved it And that got to finish it another series Yeah, like I dropped off very quickly into that series and then it was canceled. Yeah, and it's like Was it really or am I just like for me? It just ended I just stopped reading it but like apparently was canceled No, it hit a lot of people that's a thing that's a thing in comics once you know once once the rumor of cancellation once the word of cancellation is out there It's very easy for people just to drop off and stop reading completely I know a lot of people stopped reading green arrow there by the end when they kept changing in the filling artists and writers and then they're like Well, this is probably gonna get canceled and indeed I got canceled soon two volumes later Yeah, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy actually or at least it becomes one when like you pick up a book that you know is not destined for like longevity, but you want to breed anyway, but you also know you have to like prioritize and So when you choose not to buy it you're contributing to it's inevitable cancellation anyway, it's kind of hard And uniquely uniquely comic thing so you don't see that in movies and television.
No absolutely not Ironically, I think that the Marvel shows suffered from the exact same situation You could definitely make that argument now that you say I Wasn't getting the inkling that they weren't connected that they weren't even related that people didn't care that they were there was No support from the movie side. I think a lot of people fill off I think once some noticeable quality dipped in terms of writing for a lot of people not me I don't think much quality at all across the board separate iron fist. Yeah, but it's a That was rough from the get go. Yeah, I knew what I was watching by the end of it If anything improved in season two not by much Yeah, boy did it ever apparently to fix that show you just had to get rid of the main guy I exactly but that being said, you know When the second or third seasons of those shows started to come out, you know, you hear about the numbers dropping In biblical proportions and you're like oh Like I guess I'm not gonna watch it, you know Just a Jones ending very soon is gonna be the last one I think it airs this month We will have to do a post-moram on the marble Netflix universe.
I think let's table that for a future episode That's a good idea. I like that conversation, but yeah, but great points by the way ladies and gentlemen I'm really glad you brought up super sons at least pricey 80 40 so sorry. It's off topic, but you but what do you think about the Avengers game? Looks cool.
I'm excited. I think it looks terrible, but really yeah, I think it looks like it came out four years ago And like I will I'll hold with whole judgment on caps costume and stuff because right right costume custom is huge Oh, god. Yeah, I mean, it's just like spider-man and injustice people had bugs up their asses about that It's like no, but you can change it though. Yeah, and that's fine and I don't know I The presentation sucked so like I'll say that you know like I was like all right.
I'm ready And what I saw I was like what do you what are you doing? It was no spider-man? It was no spider-man reveal that's for sure, but let me ask you this are you more excited for Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3? Have you been keeping up with that?
I have actually left the trailer for that right afterwards and I was like yeah I'm more excited for it. I mean like everybody loves Marvel Ultimate Alliance like I get it also no like it's not They were working on Avengers for Square in 2017. Yeah, it's been a development for a really long time You can tell it's been a development for a long time because Tera Jyn generator Yeah, I'll bet you you'll know you won't see Naryam mutant insight mmm. That hurts that is a shame Also, I'm 90% sure the young girl talking in the trailer has to be miss Marvel Kamal Khan Absolutely, there were some theory about that when they had that first teaser trailer with the young lady Like maybe it's Captain Marvel.
Maybe it's miss Marvel now. It's like oh Tera Jyn bomb Engine, yeah, it's definitely a whole new generation of new humans Yeah, I'm I'm partially optimistic. I love the fact there's no loot boxes and you want to pay to win and the free That's nice. That's really good.
I know a lot of people were scared off just when they said, you know Oh, it's gonna be like an online service because that's a very very dirty word now in gaming post anthem and fallout 76 Now, don't tell me it's a service. Tell me it's a game. Yes when they were like you can play co-op I was like oh online. Oh Hmm.
I hate that couch co-op is dead. I think the last great couch co-op game was the last rumor at least of Borderlands that you could play with a Friends Blitz Green Heartless thanks is glad to see you guys again have some money also would be cool. See you guys discuss the most recent doomsday clock Well, I agree if you can't help hold out for that definitely catch this week's off the rack to talk about it for like half an hour So I think we both love the issue just a short break. Yeah, I'm Archie Archie or Acharya, sorry you last I read Lee was pretty committed to finishing all start having a rock in the boy Wonder which sounded very weird agreed but like yeah Lee you know he's happy to draw I mean like listen people are saying like that's something that might have been some of his best art in his like career I don't believe you or I don't believe him anyway Kings will mentions Mr.
Mrs. X and X and read Mr. X's X I don't think it was canceled They just ended because the X-men books are in a constant state of flocks even now They don't know what they're doing. Okay.
This is our last reboot. We promise we're gonna keep with this Oh, Hickman wants to come right now. We'll fuck everything out throw it all away. Everyone's fired I hope Kelly Thompson gets to keep it going I hope they keep the game to rogue thing going Mr.
Was actually a great book and X been read I didn't read because I heard it was on the horizon I'm like no same It's just hard to get involved with anything I hope Matthew Rosenberg gets to keep writing a habit because I think he wrote my favorite version of havoc in the Last couple years fair enough Luke Veriloh, hey guys great to actually catch the live show Did you see dark Phoenix yet thoughts with love a full review? No, no, I did not No, I'm not gonna spend my money on that. I'm good. No, I Know I'll see it eventually I'm never to be like what watch that I'm like maybe on a Sunday like we could catch it that's I'm about the same to you know Like if I don't have to pay full price for it And if I ain't got shit to do I might see it you don't need my review like you know You know what your opinion is already.
Yeah, Michael because Jansky helping us out. Mr. Bado says Joel you're back and he couldn't keep you down. No, they can't I get knocked down but I got up again Jumbo one pop Joel the Chumba Wumbo podcast.
Oh, oh man. Put that on my business card, please 34 hey guys, I was gonna ask you a question, but I just got called laws at my station Well fair enough y'all the best in the world long live comp up and keep Joel. Hey with you, Hardy Thank you very much, and sorry got the call. I hope everything's going well.
Keep up the good work man And mr. Bado need to get superior spider-man suit back on Peter. Nah, Doc's Doc. Doc.
I've got it. You're good He's rocking it. I was gonna say superior spider-man wasn't Inexplicably canceled book. Yeah, it's funny cuz like it ran its course It had its story with the beginning middle and end and I was quite pleasant or I was quite happily you know with the conclusion Then it's like oh, but they're gonna bring him back right because this is way too good an idea Just to let you know die on the vine and they did years after the fact The when when they were looking at the numbers and they were taking in the fan reaction to superior spider-man that like by issue five six Like ten they should have been like oh shit like this is its own thing.
Okay, so I guess to do every once Peter's gonna Be Spider-man again, but we're gonna keep the book superior spider-man a lot issue 25 like we're gonna keep the book going We have all these clone bodies like yeah, it would be amazing if they had done that when they canceled scarlet spider Yeah, when they were it knocks like okay Peter, you know, I've learned my lesson I'm sorry and they just go knock the butts cane and becomes a superior spider-man over there like I don't know I mean I would be very unsatisfying would be very upset with that but At the very least then you get to keep what you did and keep sales going I mean that's and business perspective and keep the momentum going to like yeah Like yeah, I think it's super cool that Christos gate gets to write a superior spider-man book I like him I like awkward at the same time like oh I would have liked this way more if you pulled the trigger on this a couple years ago Yeah, there's nothing like as youtubers weaken ourselves tell you like how important it is to like keep the momentum going as you said Oh, yeah, we did a we did our live show I had this idea where we're like I've seen it down on other live shows where it's like okay So we need to take a break and move things around throw up a title screen and come back in a minute We lost half the viewers and we never really got them all back I guarantee you if you like if you it's amazing spider-man numbers on superior spider-man and that book kept going you were gonna keep Most of those numbers you also got to have an anti-hero spider-man Which is something they fumbled with a lot in the past with like no here's an actual anti-heroic spider-man that people like and want to read about Well, how many people were reading amazing afterwards? We're like this is cool I guess but I was kind of really enjoying a cast spider-man It gave you a good ending is the thing it's like well This is a good chance to get off now right, but how about if you just gave them their hero and let them keep going There's no shortage of spider people still now more than ever so yeah We brought up a couple books. I guess I got throw this one out there might be on your list too. Scarlet spider Chris.
Yes Oh, yes I never really got into that one, but I know it has a quite a big cult following it was a good book I was digging it and it was a great way to take some of the spider-man run off You know all that the other crap I was more than happy to see it go on cane as opposed to Peter because I'm like Peter keep him as a pure product Make him spider-man Let him do the spider-man stuff But like for all the other spider-man crap that like either doesn't work or is unsatisfying to be on this character That needs to be kind of the same for a long time And it was working really well the suit looked great the character was a lot of redemption to go through he was Well, not him but his spiritual brother Ben Riley was on the new Warriors back in the day stick him on the new Warriors You got they did and so you have them you could have a main book with with Scarlet and the and the new Warriors book with him too I don't know. It's just it's too bad to see that that book didn't survive. That was in Houston too wasn't it? Yeah, it was that's that's interesting.
I like when they move spider-man to other cities like Doc Ock is in San Francisco now Yeah, no, it's a good idea give me a new fresh perspective. I love it. So that was a book that when they canceled I was like Bad idea bad mojo But I got one here and this is a funny one because I never thought this was a book I would fall in love with this this is one from the year of our lord 2013 is what this book is from and it's fearless defenders by Cullen Bunn I feel a lot of people already forgot about this one Perhaps the god in Lutely. I mean so much defenders got canceled boy.
Did that was that and I don't even know if your Defender's supposed to be like a mini series or not You know it was meant to be a whole series I'll tell you all about it So I pulled this book for review back when I worked over at name redacted and no one else wanted this book at name redacted So they gave it to me and I'm like I don't really want to read this it was the all-girl team of Defenders it was led by Misty Knight Valkyrie Elsa bloodstone Danny moon star and I think there was like a couple new characters that fun Yes, yes Yeah, in fact this this is the book that tells the story that only Aaron and well but again cuz bun is writing as guardians of the galaxy So he actually got to build on what he did here, right? Where it's like oh, you know Valkyrie fell in love with a human archaeologist, but then the archaeologist died so like she took her soul into her body and Now they're like time sharing a body And I'm like oh, that's fun and they're like you know, we really enjoying our relationship But this is like the definition of moving too fast you moved into my body right yeah Like that's the other secret weapon of this book. It was funny. It was really funny like Cullen bun I don't think he gets to write comedy that much anymore, but goddamn was this book hilarious this had like laugh out loud text gags I just wrote it off.
I didn't even think about fearless defenders, but I will say I did I love the idea of an all female Marvel team You have so many great female Marvel characters that don't get enough play I remember as a kid growing up thinking that the Avengers had a lot of women on the team and I was just wrong They didn't but it was more like there are a lot of female Marvel characters a lot of female Avengers Not just assumed they were Avengers at the same time, but no But really defenders good idea very much I can still remember this book ended on like a deeply unsatisfying cliffhanger where it's like oh, you know The big mystery villain I think it ran for like two volumes the big mystery villain is revealed as like oh, it's Morgan LaFey Hey, one of the greatest villainesses from what is it from literature is now the villain of this book? I'm like, oh, isn't that fun? Yeah, and she's a good villain. She's a good Marvel villain character as well She's underused you know under you she's asleep a doctor doom.
That's a good use of that character And a great like oh no, that was the character the whole time That's fun. Yeah, and the story was just never resolved But thankfully it's kind of getting resolved now cuz bun gets to write Valkyrie again and gets to pick up on that story that no one Father to pick up on for years I wouldn't spend too much time getting excited about Valkyrie since she's not gonna be the same Valkyrie not gonna be the same Valkyrie more we're getting Jane Foster Valkyrie for the future But all right, I mean I'm gonna read that too is Jason Aaron and Allewing and he says it's gonna be his last word on Thor's Right, yeah, exactly. No, you got a point there I know it's a fenders good call newer books because the books I was thinking of like older are pretty much older books I'll only just mention scarlet spider and Jessica Johnson stuff like that But most of mine are new rash I think all these books here are ones that I read professionally and not ones that got canceled when I was just a regular fan I'll bet Hawkeye's on your list Hawkeye No, actually cuz it's a Hawkeye I felt actually had a pretty organic conclusion Are we talking about the fraction one or are we talking the Lemire run that happened next? I'm talking about the Learmere run Oh, see I didn't love the Lemire run as much you think I would and I can't get it there was some interesting ideas I like he made it about his brother I like he juxtaposed it with flashbacks You know them growing up with a sword master in the circus But now that one that I didn't fall in love with that one the same way I fell in love with the fraction or his green arrow run that proceeded Right I don't know picking up the first like a couple of issues of the Lemire run and being Impressed like I kind of dug it.
It was very artsy It was hard for me to get to into it for too long I think the covers are kind of the best part of it run They were and also just you know too too close to the fraction stuff is what it is Yeah, you had this like superior amazing run for Hawkeye and then they're like well Let's let's try to tape off of that a little longer Yeah, like you can understand why everyone I'm sure thought that that would be a slam dunk home run Hey, it's the dude who made green arrow great again over at DC surely you'll do the same here at Marvel with Hawkeye Yeah, he shoots arrows. That's the same thing. Yeah, apparently not But yeah, yeah Well, then I guess I'll mention another book that I kind of dug we haven't really got a chance to talk about It's the cover sake but like Gwenpool Did Gwenpool get canceled because I feel like it ran for a very long time it did run for a while I I believe it was canceled like I believe that like while they were able to kind of tell their story and it went It did and it was a great story. I feel like if it had sold well enough It would have kept going huh like I think that's a cancellation.
Isn't it coming back soon? Isn't it getting like a mini very soon? Yeah, many's many's are not a resurrection for me So like well you can tell your one arc because either I owe you a favor or you can like do whatever Like you know, I mean I just feel like I don't consider to be a resurrection Right I did consider Gwenpool to be an official cancellation as opposed to like a like well You told your I mean the reality is anytime an editor walks in your office is like well I think you've told your story you know as opposed to their the creators being like I said everything I need to say about this character like I'm Right, right. I don't think so I feel like I missed the ship on Gwenpool quite a lot because I remember when issue one came out I was talking to you and Benny about it I'm like oh this is kind of funny a little stuff But where I dig this you're like really Joel Gwenpool and then I'm like okay fine then you peer pressured me I go so I won't keep reading it only to find out later that you guys have been keeping up with it and loving it from issue two onward And I'm the one who missed out.
Yeah, that was great book I was I couldn't ignore the gory hero art and when I found out how like when I noticed how you know what it was I was avoiding number one and then when I finally read I was like it's a great book like literally I read issue one I'm like oh, it's great. I think we're doing off the rack and I was like good. Yeah, funny self-aware. Yeah Very meta but in a different type of meta that I appreciated because the deadpool book had gotten less and less meta Yes, under Duggan became more of like a straight up superhero story So I like they took that fourth wall breaking stuff and gave that to end goal Yeah, well the other thing was like it looked derivative.
It was from a cover idea and it was like I One issue isn't enough to sway me to believe it's gonna be great You know what I mean like it was like I'm like this clever how many issues is this book gonna get and are they clever enough to actually How many did it get didn't it run for like over 50? I think so I think it got like oh I got two volumes Which is pretty damn impressive all things considered no yeah like those who worked on it should be very proud Hastings was really really like smart funny author. So yeah Yeah, I noticed a common thread both in the ones that you just mentioned and basically the majority of the ones here on my Let's come comedy right comic book comedies do not have long short live or shelf lies which is a tragedy Well because you're basically asking I mean like look at movies a comedy film unless you're at an appetite movie Mmm 90 minutes because you don't really have a lot of time You know no one wants to dwell on humor for that long you know any comedy special an hour yeah You know at most and we're talking about their tight five minutes. That's all you have time for humor Like so people don't like to dwell in humor for too long.
I guess not one was the last time a comedy was ever nominated for best film You know an outright comedy not just like a movie that was like a comedy of errors or like a funny stuff happens Yeah, exactly but like the other thing about it is I think that it's just objective like absolutely you have to hit Then the same audience with the same humor and Roping new people. Yeah, it's a tough tough dance to do especially in comics because hearing a joke and reading a joke or two totally different things Absolutely now if you're doing a pure humor book, you're probably not gonna make it past like 13 issues anymore. Yeah Yeah, unless you're like unless you also have like pool in your name unless you have pool in your name What about that spider-man 10 full book? Did I get canceled or did I just stop?
I want to say that one ended I want to say that one still going see I know I just read the last issue okay, so I guess they did yeah I again that was another boat I missed because I'm like now I got my Dug and Deadpool over here that I've been reading for five years I'm tapped out on Deadpool I need no more every even though you and everyone else is like no this spider-man Deadpool book is amazing and state amazing through so Many different Marvel relaunches. Yes, although I will say I don't think I've really recovered after Joe Kelly left the book. Mmm. Yeah Gotta jump into the super chats again and answer some questions slash comments kt8 3976 Says I don't know if I'm sad or glad that X 20 X 23 was canceled was a cancel.
I thought it was still going I thought they were relaunching X 23 I know that like the Wolverine Laura Kenny book was canceled Right, then she got a new X 23 book in the first arc was all about her and clones and everything Yes, exactly well no because I had to have kept going because I know people were upset online because they changed honey badgers name Just scout oh, yeah, that's right. Yeah. Yeah, so that has to be new so it has to still be going yeah I yeah, I know it's a 2018 series of 2019 so I think it's still going but we're I'm happy to be corrected Matt surely says hey guys a long time listener first time super chatter my favorites are super sons and of course to Massey Superman does feel like it was kind of canceled ended abruptly there's again I've got one or two on here where it's like well was it canceled or just ended abruptly for other things I have one series on here that got what is it new 52 out of existence? Yeah, no, I Want to officially say say superman was canceled it certainly feels that way totally different direction totally new creation creative team Everything was different about the numbering.
Yeah. Yeah, I spent 10 14 18 two books that I miss a lot Hopeless is young Jean Grey solo book. Mmm. Yeah, a lot of people love that and the amazing Roseenburg King pinch short series Yeah, I watch a lot of y'all are the tops.
Thanks a lot. Thanks a lot. I mean Tiffany love the kingpin book me too Me and Tiffany back when we did a comic show together. Yeah, we both showered that one with that one was weird too Cuz it was only supposed to be a mini but it also ended early and it's clear they rushed to the ending yes So like yeah, no it was supposed to end later on they clearly were like no doesn't it sales don't just fire wrap it up That was when they were going all in on daredevil.
It's like a lecture is getting a new mini bullseyes getting a new mini kingpins getting a new Mini if there's one upside to again because Roseenburg went to What is it to go right Punisher and his Punisher this newest arc is him actually coming back to New York to fight the kingpin? I'm very excited to read that are because I'm really hoping he revisits some of his kingpins stuff in that book I feel like there's no way he will avoid it most most writers who got kicked off a book if they're given a chance to talk about the character Or even some other character they'll rope them in in some way. Oh, yeah, hope was was sad about a spider-run book We're a doctor strange book was like hey guess who the supporting character is gonna be my run absolutely So I'm definitely excited to check that out. Yeah, definitely eat that horse says broke my heart my mind Miller's back girl ended Yeah, yeah, I know a lot of people who are still torn up about that one.
Yeah, I didn't read it So I get what you're saying, but I'm sorry Michael because you can't see he says I can't believe I'm saying this But I'm very disappointed they canceled the recent West Coast Avengers from Kelly Thompson Oh, is that already done is that already over? I didn't hear that either But like when I read the first issues like this books getting canceled. I mean no West Coast Avengers team lasts forever They're basically saying hey, you're the silver medal of endures is who you are Good idea and as much as I didn't use thing like when I reviewed the first issue I was like this ain't for me, but that doesn't mean it wasn't for somebody absolutely the fans who liked it liked it a lot Hey, if you liked Kelly Thompson's Kate Bishop Hawkeye series will this continues into that? So yeah, well and the other thing is they use a lot of characters.
I enjoy Mm-hmm. You would be excited you as Quinn choir shows up. I mean yes. He does look it looks like it was canceled So yeah, but I mean that's that's not her fault or the characters fault.
That's just the curse of West Coast Avengers Yeah, it was in the markets like it's I don't think the market can support this many books overall much less than the books They're being published by Marple were falling back into too many Avengers where it's like okay You got your Avengers and you got your savage Avengers and your West Coast Avengers and this new strike force book Which is really just an Avengers book, but we're not calling it an Avengers Savage Avengers and also Savage Avengers. I mean strike force like what? Whatever I really liked you how with her Thanos book is good and she had the best one shot in that Guardians annual that came out this week It's all about Adam Warlock and it was like a real deep science fiction story. I dug it Yeah, so where do you go same Anderson?
Do you like the idea of a concept of rebirth that got canceled? Yeah, the birth was an event was like more like a publishing initiative that was canceled. I'd say rebirth got canceled certainly Well was it canceled or slowly poisoned over time? I think well rebirth never really had a chance no because like rebirth is about Change and if you have entrenched management you can't have changed Yeah, so you know read into that as you will what I what a shame I'm hoping you guys will get to ultimate spider-man clone stock on back issues.
That'd be awesome Yeah, the plan is to get to all of them. That's only volume 10 run volume four or five or six I think so we'll look at there eventually and also Phil Garnhardt helping us out Oh, and yeah, so thank you very much Phil. Thanks Bill What other books have been canceled that break your heart to see it to see them gone? So here's another one that got a bit of a conclusion, but not really and that was Dan Abnitz Hercules series from 2015 Is that the one not over 2015?
Okay? Yes, that wasn't when Hercules like took over Hulk No that got canceled too though, so you can also put that there Hercules is a grand tradition of getting canceled Hercules a character that I always ignored and marginalized because I'm like who cares like he's I don't like his myths I'm not a fan of the character. I think he's also like a he's he's hard to pin down as to whether he's good or not although The Avengers has always been like objectively interesting and like trying to be good That's the one you get here. Basically, this is Dan Abnitz being like, okay, what if we do superhero rocky where Hercules is like I used to be good.
I used to be a contender I was the greatest hero of all time and now I'm a schlub living in a dirty apartment in New York and drunken Gilgamesh Is crashing on my couch? So at least I'm doing better than him and he redesigned his costume and everything and he started having like high-tech guns and everything And it was really funny and really slick and like I've created these new villains called the new gods who are like gods of plastic surgery and social media And the social media god looked just like Max Landes like literally that's funny. It was very funny and again I think that's what killed. It's like, nope.
This is too smart too funny to meta. No one knew what to make of it Is this the series established that Hercules was like a recovering alcoholic? Yes, that's awesome But you said it's a good good direction for that character I think this got finished later because Abnitz got to do a tie-in book I forget what event it was if it was like Civil War two it was something like that and he's like, okay So for my tie-in, I'm just gonna write another volume of Hercules is everyone okay with this? Okay, cool I'm gonna do that.
I mean looking cool. I'm in that's literally what it was I didn't get to finish the book But I'm gonna finish it here. Yeah, that's funny good idea Man, you know, we don't really talk about this But like did you see how like Max Landes is so screwed? Yes, yes, I did I did see that I was I was tweeting about Event Leviathan mm-hmm.
I was like, oh, is that is this hashtag tweeting trending? No, but maxer was and I was I'm like, oh, I'm like, oh, Max is trending. I wonder if it's good news. It's never good news and I checked and no I'm like well, I guess we won't be talking about American alien anytime soon oops I mean or ever or wrestling as a wrestling I mean you you and I were in the unique position that we had it from like good sources from people who work in Hollywood It's like no, no, no, we've worked for him on sets and everything and yeah, he's a dick shoes Yeah, well, I've had two different camps.
I've known people who knew him from childhood who like care about him And I've known people who've worked with him in recent years. This is true. It's tough But yeah, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna do it. No, no not worth dying on that hill and also what was the last thing he wrote bright You're only as good as the last thing you wrote kid.
Yeah, no, it's true and bright sucks It sucked and you're a dick apparently so there you go But that was like that just came out of nowhere like it didn't go no Let's see oh, I don't even know if it was canceled I this is a book that like I didn't bring up like the female blade book because it wasn't even like it was a book Oh, yeah, that one that was Tim Sealy's big thing was like hey, I wrote hack and slash for you I know he horror. I know young female protagonists there I can't wait to sink my teeth into this one vampire pun unintended and then everyone was just like no no no no We we don't like the idea of this we don't like the idea that there's a white guy writing this and basically they Shouted the comic down and it just never came out Which I think only goes to show that marble didn't have much faith in it to begin with it They could literally be shouted down into not releasing it and it's funny I've even seen attitude shift to where a bunch of the people who shouted it down, you know, you know But prominent, you know nerds of color and everything have come out and said you know what maybe we shouldn't have done that because just because he started that book Doesn't mean that an actual person of color couldn't have picked it up down the line in ramen There's a lot of great characters that were invented by white people You know only to have their stories told through actual people of color later on in life God really is a good example of that right now. That's true But that reminded me of how like I remember Chelsea Kane was supposed to make a vision continuation That's right. That just never happened that died like that was that was murdered Sleep that didn't even get a chance like there was like I don't even think there was even art and it was just like no I think there was one promo image Yeah, I remember seeing that and I was like I was like they're doing more vision makes sense I wonder why it's so long and then just no Which again that's an example of Marvel listening to all that wrong people on the internet and refusing to let that book Come out and what that really sucks just for all we know we could have been deprived something great.
Who knows I don't know I mean like I know that it made sense to do that Asher Colvin says I know the ultimate universe imprint from Marvel heads ups and downs you think it was canceled too soon before secret wars It should have come back No, I think ultimate universe is a time of its practice time I think it was dead long before they decided to like smash into the earth you say it's dead But in the solicitations for the new miles spider-man book solid in amidst as he's bringing back the ultimate green goblin Yeah, no, they bring it back. I mean they brought back the universe. I'm just saying conceptually oh and literally like it's dead There's nothing the ultimate universe can do now that hasn't already done before better That's true. There's a place for it anymore and I also think it was just nice and symmetrical too because it's like hey Started with spider-man ended with spider-man.
Yeah, well it's just that universe was the place where you could do anything and then they Were like afraid of their own like five-year continuity and now marvels a place where you could just do anything anyway and who cares That's true And if you like the ultimate ideas and you like that stuff watch the movies because that's where most of those ideas went true Well any ultimate universe like there's no anything they could do like it they turn cap into a hydrate and you know that if they Had pitched that in 2006 they would have been like, you know, what's the problem the ultimate universe? Yeah, please. Yeah, but now it's like Do it anywhere. I'm gonna shit like whatever.
It's all good. There's no place for it anymore Will and golden was Batman ink canceled. No, I think I think that's that's Morrison Yeah, by Morrison except for Aztec When he's done, he's done. He stops like that's the end of it.
Yeah, Joshua Right only Wolverine mostly because I hate how they brought back Logan and took the name away from Laura Yeah, sucks. I she looks better than that yellow costume than he does sure does I wish I wish they could have kept on Taylor doing stuff too. Yeah, I think that's the saddest thing as soon as he was gone It's like well, he's the guy who was the most passionate about this so weird to let people who care and want to write the book Go and replace him with somebody who's just a staffer. Yeah, so bizarre He also said a forces cancellation a force that was another one's like You had G.
Willow Wilson on board that one for the first arc at least and that was another one where as soon as Wilson was gone I guess I'm not gonna keep reading this then yeah, but then that results in its cancellation I don't know how it was after that. It's it's very weird again I was following the book cuz I'm like yo, I freaking love Miss marble I cannot wait to see you know what this writer hasn't heard next. Yeah, that's true. I read that first arc and that's like oh She's not coming back for a second like oh, I guess I don't care what happens then Speaking of books here's here's two actually it's a book that was canceled twice actually okay is the thing What one is a little debatable because again?
It's more like it got forced to wrap up because of the new 52 and that secret six that was canceled once the 2008 and then again in 2011 Yeah, I should have known you're gonna mention six of course you did here's the thing the ending itself is fine for the 2008 series But so clearly not the ending that Simone wanted to do they basically go out like a Western movie They all get hopped up on venom and just attack the cops and the superheroes and it's implied most if not all of them died Except for Bane, but didn't matter because the whole universe was getting rebooted next week anyway Yeah, that's true, so at least they got to go out like not punks no the secret It's a great idea and a good use of all of those characters and especially for me and for you I think as well like the use of Bane yeah, and the direction of that character is better than anything they've done anything They've done with Bane especially in the last two to fight. Oh god Yeah, and then she brought it back again in 2011 with a new lineup of characters only cat man was the same They had new costumes a new status quo She brought back the dippies in this and then no one fucking used the dippies after this So weird and then you know we did a second arc that was actually about Strix who was the quarter vowels assassin that she created for Batgirl Who was kind of like a Cassandra Cain who you know was like really sweet You know had a really sweet disposition but a really dark backstory and was you know Differently able then ladies Shiva was in it she even started bringing back characters from the original secret six like scandal and ragdoll and everything But the book was done and I don't I guess the fan base just wasn't there and as hungry as I was for in 2011 Yeah, it's really sad to find out that like you are one of like a very small margin of people who want something that it costs a lot of money to produce I guess so and again to it was funny and it was offbeat and you know Maybe that's another reason that I guess just comedy and offbeat stuff just does not have a long shelf life No, it's just a little it was a little too esoteric for everybody I think I guess so clearly but hey stands up I like what Lashley was doing on art in the first arc I think that might have what turned people off to because you know original secret six was like really colorful Yeah, but but Lashley drew the first arc and you know He's just like very dark and brooding and foreboding and everything right right right and very like kind of scratching everything I think maybe that turned people off or they're like hey, this isn't the secret six. I remember no, that's true That's true. I was your second book or is it that's it was the book I got like four more oh I don't like you said like there were two books that Oh, no, I think it got canceled twice once in 20 or 2008 again in 2011.
Okay. What else we got one of other things We have that's a break your heart. I mean like I guess I can bring up. I was sad to see young justice go First time yeah at its height really yeah, exactly like it was weird that they were like ask really And now they're back and I don't know We'll see I'm done with then just as young justice once I got the questions of why spoiler wasn't here what happened to Tim and what happened to Connor I'm like, okay, I got the answers They're fine.
I guess but not interesting enough for me to keep reading I'm done with this and I was already done with Titans because Adam Glass has turned it Just to a side squad junior. Yeah. Yeah, I don't want to read about any of the young heroes here And I can't even read about the super sons for much longer No, I guess that's because no one at DC is young That's another thing comedy and books about young people exactly it's weird They're obsessed with young people Yes, they're what I want you to buy our books and I and I'm writing about them and like it's nothing but teenage sidekicks and Yet I don't want to cater to you Speaking of comedy and young people here's a book that was both and one from the now I think we can admit disastrous DC you era. Oh, no, this I'm talking about prez by Mark Russell in 2015 Wow, yeah, was that can't I didn't realize that was officially canceled?
I thought it was just like that it stopped but man, let me tell you it was supposed to be a mini Yeah, that's why I remember being billed as a mini and being like, okay I guess just ended it was supposed to be a six-issue mini. I think it only got four issues That's that being said man are those issues fucking hilarious and you know really good solid political satire from a dude Who was a professional satirist and boy in some ways this book was goddamn prophetic for those who don't know prez? 2015 is a sequel to the original prez from the 70s where the idea is what if a flash in the pan viral video star got elected president because you know In this dark dystopian future we vote for presidents the same way we vote for American Idol. Yes, and anyone can do it And it's like ha ha that's hilarious But also like oh what if we elected someone who didn't know anyone any favors and it was actually like dedicated to changing the world for the better And what's everything that you know?
She would fight against in doing so and in fact she even gets a mentor in the original prez guy from the 70s It was it was super brilliant. We get a whole B story about like a super high-tech governmental attack drone that's forced with guarding the border Who realizes this sucks? I'm sentient now? I don't want to be a drone anymore And like the drone is dealing with its emotions and everything I'm like man this this really should have been like a movie or a cartoon mini series or something like this is like too good to be a DCU comic oh, yeah is what it was and it just ended the last word we got on this prez Remember during the last election there was a catwoman election night special for some Yeah, the backup was a prez story Huh, and that's the last word that was ever written on prez to be a backup in a catwoman special tying into an election That's heartbreaking boy was never but Mark Russell bounced back.
He wrote that Flintstones book that I didn't enjoy but had a very long run Yes, I remember writing off the entire antibariline, but Flintstones. I was like no that one hung in there He wrote a lone Ranger book just this year that was actually really really solid if you like westerns and Wonder twins my other co-host Matt tells me Wonder twins is fucking hilarious and that's actually going from being a six issue to a 12 issue now Yeah, I heard the same thing I heard wonder twins was it was well I remember like there was no buzz about Wonder twins because why would there be but like but Venice was like you're heading the whole thing the whole thing so it's like, you know That's where the that's where any momentum for it came from and then over time like over the last like a few weeks I've heard how good or how much people are enjoying it. I shouldn't say yeah, I should say I really enjoy it. I mean I wish again and this is a problem with marketing.
Why didn't they tell us it was a comedy? Oh because as we've realized comedies don't have good shelf lives. So now great hilarious books aren't even being sold as being funny anymore Probably smart actually as we have seen here for all these books that were canceled because they were too funny Yeah, or the very least because they were like how do you sell a comedy and that's that's true like the Can't sell them in movie theaters. I don't know how to sell a comedy.
It's funny. Maybe unless you're not a sense of humor Yeah, unless you're a jut appetite. Where's comics jut appetite? I don't know.
I'm sure I can think of that if I was given more time or if I cared more I like this is kind of also becoming you know the state of comedy comics to and why they can never seem to make it Yeah, that's true Another one I had was power man and iron fist from David F Walker from not to law. I remember that book was launched I don't mean like that's not gonna make it that's all of David F Walker's books Where it's like man, this is fun and cool with a great art style that pays great reference to continuity in the first Art then in the second arc he brings in this big idea where it's like hey Remember the runaways well what if Alex came to Harlem and recruited a bunch of Luke Cage villains to become the new pride Oh, wow, I'm like this is great. Why is no one marketing this? Why is no one talking about you know it was again?
I'm sure this book got greenlit because of the Netflix shows and once those started underperforming They're like well, we're not gonna bother you know giving you promotion time. No, no This book even also had one of the only good civil war two tie-ins because Walker being a smart dude being a well-read dude made it an entire story about Police profiling in the superhero world Through bishops eyes that time right And then like right after this book David F Walker got a Luke Cage series that also only lasted two volumes right yeah Hey two volumes that ain't bad for most of these books. No, that's true I mean, yeah Hey, you could put those on your shelf and again that book filled with smart ideas to Luke Cage goes to a creepy mansion in Louisiana Where the doctor who made him is having his will read and he runs into a bunch of other like you know Experiments like himself and it's all it's all very get out. It's all very creepy and you know very cool again only lasted two volumes Yeah I know this is a set up.
I got two more here. The dot green era of Hulk under Jerry Dugan that one got entered by secret wars Where it's like we were building up to this thing where it's like oh, you know this darker more indefinite personality in the Hulk is going around deep powering all other gamma creatures So he can be the only one and the final hold out is she Hulk with the entire superhero community rallies behind she Hulk in the final issue And then it's just done right yeah Also, you know a mortal Hulk is great and a mortal Hulk is playing with a lot of the same ideas We're like what if this really evil Hulk took over and then I love it Oh, you like it when you wing does it but you didn't give Doug in the time of day when he was doing it And the fact that's like I think I'm the only one even clamoring for a conclusion to this strum But how did it end though secret wars happen and then on the day is Joe was all right what happened to dog Actually a mortal Hulk is referencing dog green now, you know, you wing knows how to do that. I wouldn't worry No, I don't think yeah, I don't think I have to worry because literally Bruce banners going through like a rolodex of his personality Okay, we got Joe fix it. We got devil Hulk.
We got the big guy. Oh, don't green. Yeah, I can't remember Yeah, oh man, I really want especially cuz Doug and seek to imply that Dog green was actually the larval stages of the maestro Good idea because near the end of that like maestro is looking at himself in the mirror because he like shaved like a whole mohawk into his head I should grow a beard. Oh no like several times I think I should grow a beard and then like he has these dreams of the future where he's got like a bunch of skulls around And he only has five o'clock shadow and he's just beating the Avengers to death And I'm like we almost got that story didn't we almost got the oh yeah, talk green is actually the maestro is Why actually hold I know that we never saw to thresh and but we might see him or the Hulk though because again in the last issue I don't know if you read it banners thinking of names from personalities and he almost spits out the mister Oh nice.
He almost spits it out. It's like oh, yeah, you know these things they know my son and then a domination attacks So he doesn't get it out, but that's clearly where he was going. That's cool Yeah, oh all new ghost rider from Felipe Smith another one. I quite enjoyed that's a Still me and him me and Felipe Smith are the last two people holding a torch for this character.
Yeah, yeah Every time that he shows up and anything else you're like boo. That's not how his powers work That's under the character is that wasn't that wasn't what I was sold on I get it's so funny Yes, his book was canceled He's arguably more popular now than he's been because he's an Avenger because he was on agents of she'll and he's going to be getting his own show soon Yeah, no, I I remember reading the first issue for off the rack in the store And I was like there's no way this book's gonna make it like and it didn't but boy was it visually pleasing wasn't it? It was very interesting looking but that wasn't enough for me, you know, I was like I don't care like a ghost rider with legitimate pathos is actually like a great idea yeah, and Yet because he's not really a ghost rider like that When we have catch all over again when we eventually discover that it's like, yeah, okay, you don't you're not really a spirit of vengeance It's your evil uncle Eli moro that is giving you these powers which again Felipe Smith never really got to explain how or why shield wrote Its own version and now like Jason Aaron is kind of going off that but also kind of ignoring it and just doing his own thing now Yeah, no, you're right It feels like the look and Robbie Reyes as a character took off but nothing else from the actual story took off That sounds to me like nobody read it like it's true because that's what it's really cool. Oh, yeah, yeah Like the idea of having a blank, you know Hispanic ghost ride.
That's cool with some ways frozen wheelchair That's kind of sad like that's all they got. Yep. They just like we looked at the pictures and that was enough Yeah But it's like oh but Felipe Smith was actually trying to say something about East LA and everything about this character and again I care about that moving on the young person with responsibility Oh Cool tattoo man fast in the furious, but ghost rider. I mean that's a pitch and a half Hey, it's also like creatively bankrupt At least he did better than the young Hispanic version of vigilante that DC tried to pitch around the same time who was also from LA I'm pretty sure vigilantes just a terrible idea So like, you know, don't do that regardless unless he's the cowboy country music seeing version of vigilante Yeah, I guess and even then that's a comedy pitch Why do we not have a six-issue comedy pitch with vigilante awesome country music about day and fuck around with my guitar Taylor Pecher says one of my favorite books checkmate got canceled Checkmate again cool concept that they keep burying Yeah, Greg reco got the finishes run, but they put Bruce Jones on for final arc as a sacrificial lamb Yeah, and then we didn't hear about checkmate forever and ever and then we got the Justice League versus suicide squad So like no, no checkmate existed then they stopped mentioning checkmate again And now Bendis is mentioning checkmate, but Bendis clearly knows that nothing has been happening with checkmate So he's just writing checkmate like he remembers checkmate before that's how Bendis works.
Yeah Tevia Smolgus says my favorite series spider girl was canceled. Oh, yeah, it's about seven times Yes, talk about a book that has the most consecutive cancelation Especially if you count like all the other books that took place in her universe. Yeah, they're gonna cancel that book Listen, you got a lot more spider girl than I ever would have imagined. It's true her legacy lives on Yes, Charles burrows helping us out.
Thank you very much, Charles radical radish off topic But one of my thought was gonna be canceled was the tamasi batman and robin run after damein died So glad it was conclude. Absolutely. Yeah, uh, I don't know what to pull topic That's fine like saved at the zero hour or like, you know, almost got the axe book For real and now his batman robin book gets to continue under the guise of detective comics exactly Mr. Abato isn't she great redundant as we have better telepaths.
Uh, I guess nobody really said that but like I hear you're saying She's got the history though. She's stronger than most and there's something about her that lets the phoenix war show every time so like, you know It's her and Emma for the most part. That's how I always get it Also inhuman forever, but not really Fair enough john Madden. Wow.
We got john Madden in here. I love your video games. Uh, Well, well your see great topic. I'll never not be sad that the love ness perez nova series from a few years backup canceled Oh, yeah, that's right.
No man nova of all the new young heroes miles come all everything else It's crazy to think he was the one that got the axe but not right away like okay. We're gonna fuse the book It's gonna be sam but we're gonna give people richard rider back so you get the best of both worlds little did they know that actually offended everybody Because new young fans like how the fuck know this richard rider guys get the hell out of here I want to read about sam and you know richard rider fans are just loud and there's not actually as many as you think they are So guess what they didn't buy that book and numbers either and the book just died. Yep Yeah, and now he's not even a nova no well. He's getting his helmet back at the new champions arc we're in right now He's gonna try and steal his helmet back.
He's teamed up with one of his villains to go steal his helmet back I like that. Yeah, Taylor pastor new 52 earth 2 was great Then after tom taylor left in futures end was around the corner You knew it wouldn't stand a chance I'm shocked that book managed to stay alive as long as it did because they clearly kept blowing up the status quo every couple volumes Was like earth is being destroyed. Okay, uh convergence. Okay, you found a new earth Oh, no, this earth is being destroyed to hey someone from the jsa come to help you out But now it's canceled though because we don't know what we're doing with the jsa actually Uh, george jay selyn amidst exiles cancel too soon Yeah, how long on this show have we been saying yo they should bring back exiles what a great concept They should bring back exiles agreed now exiles lasted longer than I ever would have imagined back in the day.
Yeah, the amid exiles Yeah, I'm I'm shocked that book should just be a digital series or something like that book should always be around it really should because it's just endless Endless potential. Yeah as if she had self and a sound they very much will I'm golden blue beetle and new 52 static shock Every time blue beetle has been canceled talk about another series that's been canceled once originally when Keith geffen was right once in the new 52 once in t Series yeah every every new publishing initiative Some beetle dies it's because they're just trying to recapture what Keith geffen had Like here's the thing blue beetle for like the young hip hero who tells his parents that he's a superhero and everything else That stuff that got eaten up by miss marvel and by miles morale and by sam alexander that whole champion era of characters Was basically just doing what blue beetle did but they get to stick around blue beetle doesn't Yeah, no, it's true and stat shock canceled because of all kinds of reasons legal reasons mostly Yeah, but uh static Yeah, well anyone from that world but static had a book so yes Anyone milestone related but man so much money left on the table. I hope they can pick up at some point Uh, typey is finally got to catch you guys live. Just wanted to say you guys the best and sense of love to keep up Thank you too.
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I had one last book on here And I imagine you're I imagine you're not gonna agree with this one. Uh, it's the book that lance james tynan's career talon Oh, yeah, no, I think that doesn't exist All right, his costume was so cool kelvin rose was an actually pretty complex Complex character for that time in the new 52 and that he's like hey I was raised as an assassin, but I don't want to kill I have very solid no kill rules scott scott's johnson hider helped out on like the first five issues So they actually wrote a bunch of interesting new lore about the cord of owls and they're like rival organization that goes around and tries to save people From like cults and such groups. I'm like, that's a very clever. This is a cool backstory.
It just didn't make it Yeah, no, I I could have told you that Yeah, last time we saw him was a cameo in batman and robin eternal. Okay. Oh, yeah He showed up for two seconds like hey everyone remember me. It's town.
Hey, I remember you tell it I can imagine bad be like wait, you're bad kill like no That wasn't around at that time. It was all the sidekicks who saw him. Yeah, and they're like Hey, you look fun. Yeah, you look kind of neat.
You got a fun design. Yeah, let's put batwing on there too every time batwing got canceled Either when it was david zavimbi or when it was lukebox. Yeah That wing Another one. I'm like no I thought pommy.
I put in some very good work in his two volumes there being like, okay, what a batman but spider-man problems right great idea No, I like that concept Rilarasan says and veterans endgame or highlander endgame obviously highlander because endgame Highlander endgame was so good great villains terrific action special effects are unbelievable. Totally not misleading trailers Yeah, no highlander endgame definitely not totally stupid in a waste of any good time. Oh, yeah Mr. Vato can maybe could we get an epic snowflame back versus batman?
I think you would have bought him to cocaine Listen, I wouldn't be surprised. Hey, listen go for it. Tom king. That's his next 12 issue mini series after batman snowflay Please like Southstone said about robin slash red robin cancellation any Tim Drake's under book.
Yeah, really you can think Anyone at the top rass for that. Yeah, and get get can't buy a book poor Tim. No Iceman since we're not here. I'll you in salt and ultimate squared great cosmic book you ended some great status quo changing stuff But no one read it.
I'm surprised I read I remember here I mean like Rob really endorsing the book boy. I did being like so essential to the like new Marvel Prime more I'm surprised Marvel didn't like kind of back it in any way. Yeah, no, I think that just goes show their problem with you Know selling their cosmic universe. They're getting better with it now for Donnie Kater's like hey Donnie Kater's just want to write everything cosmic now I know did you read silver sir?
It's great. I did actually I did I'm not gonna spoil the end because it just came out today But there's a character that shows up at the end where I'm like oh you naughty boy Donnie Kater's everything is connected that you're right Yeah big time Joshua right to Mockingbird not because I was a fan but the circumstances surrounding its cancellation with rassman of vitriol directed That's a shameful. Yeah, I wasn't reading it But you know fuck the people who you know who made such a big deal about that it wasn't but for me so I wouldn't read it I remember like yeah, no, I'm shocked that like it was I mean like here's thing I'm sure it was canceled mostly due to sales because it's a mockingbird book and that's not gonna stick around Exactly for better or worse. Yeah, and it sucks that like anyone would think like launching harassment somebody would be a good way to Like get your book to not like to get a book you were never gonna buy in the first place to get canceled I did read the first issue though, and I thought it was very fun She like goes into a therapy thing and we see a bunch of flashbacks It was very well put together is the thing that I really liked about it very very clever in that regard right exactly Tera death hey with John I think I'm finally back at marvel Do you think we have a chance for him to do or to finish his shield book?
Yeah I heard that was the rumor that like that was the sweet plum that they dangled in front of us like hey Right, I'm gonna let you finish shield. Yeah, I think I think with him at marvel There's no way they won't finish shield now. Yeah Yeah, so I think so he also helped us out again and said hey miss my super chat now we didn't And what's called Chris check says mark Russell's Flintstones kind of let praise but as far as beer pras got cancelled halfway through his run Because it was DC you and no degree DC then you you and me man you and me mark Russell for like hey talk about another series That died on the vine although I think it's coming out his his Jesus series there That was right that that got canceled due to a bunch of like angry letter writing campaigns, but he's gonna get to release it somewhere else That's good there do that Tele pasture was hell blazer technically canceled with the original vertigo run ended I don't know I will tell you that every subsequent hell blazer book was canceled though Constantine was canceled hell blazer was canceled every every every constant book has been canceled since vertigo They just can't make it work. Yeah, and that's why I like I said this in the last show I was like don't do it anymore just stop like you'll never be able to do it like whatever Whatever pitch you have for Constantine hell blazer with those kinds of books will never beat the people who wrote it You think they do something with him for black label right but then again what is black label at the moment?
He's in one of those black label books. He's in the Batman Dan book Oh, yeah, that's right. I forgot about that Because the book has been delayed so often because of the redrawings that they have to make a game Right. Yeah, there's just so many penises they had to redraw Issue three is just wall to wall six that Oh jeez if they didn't like that dick shot issue one, which will they see the cocktopus in issue three?
Michael Patterson elsewhere exchange else world's Exchanges our travel show that's right. That's good idea. Do you think they'll ever do rogue right? I love her as a character.
Please go rapper's drill. Hey, yes, right? Yeah, they only got to win one more game I love rogue. I love classic rogue.
Here's a pitch for the MCU. There's this young mutant She's kind of like on the roadside of the tracks the Avengers deployed their biggest gun Carol Danvers at her She grabs on we we get real rogue and we depower Carol a little bit so that she can actually like not blow up ships anymore Interesting bitch. Oh, you even out the Carol Danvers MCU character and also get rogue Just tossin that out there. That's a bit too far.
It's a bit too far. March March. North. You know that's one drinking right now Got a lot of it.
And now it's all gone. I'm artia Acharya off top I go so pissed when I heard the business was doing Legion and apparently Batman beyond oh, yeah And you a new event millennium, which is gonna all be about time travel. Yeah, that's the last person who should be writing about time travel Yeah, I heard all of that. I'm like cool and event I can skip for once You can just like everyone skip the last event to the DC had called millennium.
Oh, yeah, that's right. There was another millennium Wasn't there also everything he said yeah Batman begin or you know Batman beyond in the future in Legion I'm like oh no, I'm getting horrible horrible futures and flashbacks right now And John's the one who's trying to get so hard to get the Legion back. I know it's It's a disaster over there It's trying to get the JSA back to you which I think it's funny. It's like the JSA will return in a Scott's not a justice like book Yeah, Scott's not just gonna bring back the justice society.
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