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That's right. Yeah, I went and investigated but monkeys to realize that actual public user. But monkeys are actually more like Charlie Browns. The people who don't live, they're losers.
They're perpetual losers. The Bud Monkey is a person who is constantly underfoot. The frustrating bullshit characters that I hate that I would like to complain about for about an hour are the small annoying creatures are merchandising critter. I'm disappointed to have no better name for them.
Yeah, you think there would be a better one for it. Yeah, I'm disappointed. I wish that there was like a word. I think we could.
You know what, in the show. Let's coin a term. I have a term. I mean, it's copyrighted.
It's owned by a corporation, but I think it's nothing that's more exemplary than my character. I think you and I might be thinking of the same one actually. It's interesting. In today's world, it's a meaningless word that means nothing and it dignifies no character other than this one.
I don't know. Maybe we'll both have one. Now I'm really interested. Yeah, I'm interested.
Apparently just some guy but monkeys, I've been using the term wrong the entire time. Yeah, TV Tropes calls it a merchandise and critter, which I don't think it's too clunky. It's got to be a nickname or a little much. Yeah.
Although put a pin in butt monkeys though, that could totally be an episode in and of itself. Absolutely. Oh yeah, no. We can still talk about the Charlie Browns of the world.
Actually in my research, there was a comics entry and they were like Hank Pym is the butt monkey of the marble universe. We read the same one. He really really is. And also it's a Buffy the Vampire Slayer is where they took the word from.
That's the codifier. Yeah, I can't believe that's true. Yeah. TV Tropes blows your mind sometimes with those.
Yeah, I'm not surprised because Joss, we even created it and he created everything and he's so great. Yeah, but he's not so great these days though. I mean, I remember when butt monkey used to just be an insult. It was like a Wayne's world expression.
Yeah. So the bazander calls himself a butt monkey and the world is like that's the term we're going to use. It doesn't really make any sense. No no.
It's like they call himself an ass clown, which is actually more of an appropriate term than butt monkey. rolls off the tongue doesn't it ask clown. Well it's like an ass clown and implies like number one, they're an ass. They're they're to be made fun of or at least.
Absolutely. There's a workhorse. Then you have the second word clown, which means that they're like a performer. They are there for your amusement only.
So they're very good clown. It works really well. Like, no, that's exactly what they should be called. Like toolbox.
That's another good one. Toolbox is a good one. I mean, a little more on there. the term from butt monkey to act.
Hey, we can do that. Yeah. We can use our power. Let's use the power of the else world exchange to change the word.
Yes, yes. Well, well, we'll add it. Let's create a logo, too. Yeah, working on it.
Should I? Oh, we are. I was going to say do we want to make that like a fan contest. Like, hey, everyone, send in your submissions for what you think the else world exchange logo can be.
And we'll show off the best one. I mean, I'm not against seeing fan art, but we are in development of a logo show. So hopefully that'll be done. Stitch is the main character in Leelowen Stitch.
That'd be like if there was a show. I mean, like Stitch is the, well, whatever. Yeah, so. Stitch would probably fit better for our pet episode that we had last week.
Yeah, I mean, like, because the show, that movie is really about two sisters. Yes. And but if they called it two Hawaiian sisters, no one would want to see it. Yeah, called it like oh, Hana means family or something.
You'd be like, oh, I'm not seeing that. The movie does, but the movie is predicated on Stitch and his adorability and his like ridiculously. The problem is like that movie gets away from itself. Because it's like, you know, fine.
It's a movie about like a little girl. It literally is ET. Yes. But but shouldn't frickin like, but then the whole third act just falls into bullshit where like, we meet those like stupid annoying alien trappers.
Oh, yes. They just hold goddamn thing. And then they like impersonate like the agent from the, you know, from Difus or whatever. It's really weird.
Oh yeah, Michael Clark Duncan is Cobra Bubbles. Yeah. Yeah. Also Bubbles, fuck you.
Like did you see that Leelowen Stitch actually had like a weird Japanese anime continuation that was like a weird sequel that says, oh yeah, the Disney movie is canon? No, I don't see that. Look at the opening because it's literally like, hey, here's the Disney animation. Then Stitch like goes through a fucking portal and ends up in Japan animation land.
OK. Weird. And then they just run with it. They run with their copyright violation.
They should, well Disney signed off on it. I think it was like, yeah, I think it was like one of those Kingdom Hearts things. It's like, look, you know, we're doing some stuff with you. You can do some stuff for us.
And you know, let's do it. Apparently, Japan loves Stitch. That doesn't surprise me. I mean, I remember when you couldn't get away from it for a time.
Oh, the Yeti in the chat is saying, yeah, they deal with fucking Yokai's in that show. Really? Sweet. Stitch versus the Yokai's.
Oh, cool. I guess he's basically just a Pokemon. Yeah, I mean, Stitch could be considered like a Digimon or one of those pocket monsters. I guess it's a whole beloved genre.
All right, Mom. I guess we can start. Let's do it. Gremlins are not small or merchandising critters.
Mug-wise. Merchandising critters. Well, well said, sir. Well spotted.
Or at least Gizmo is. They, I've been like, it took a long time to see like a stripe mug-wise tool. All right, here we go. Hey everybody, welcome to the else's exchange.
I'm Sal. I'm Joel. Where we take a single topic and then break it down for about an hour. Today's topic, we're going to be talking about the small annoying creatures, aka the merchandise and critter, that annoying character that ruined whatever thing you liked, either a movie, a television show, or a comic book.
There are quite a few of them. Obviously the names are the cover of this episode. Features Slimer. And we'll get to you in a little while.
And I hate him so much that I actually mis-ascribed him with another TV Troops term. Yes. In earlier episodes, we've referred to Butt Monkeys. I always assumed that the Butt Monkey was a character that literally just described what the small annoying creature or merchandising critter was.
Right. In fact, Butt Monkeys are the loser. The perpetual failure. The Charlie Brown.
Take him of the fictional world. There's a lot of crossover too, because when I think of a small annoying creature, I think of a scrappy duo or a poochy, but that's also a whole subgenre in and of itself of characters. Yes. Although I would consider scrappy due to qualify as a small annoying creature within this episode.
Well, he certainly is. Because A, he is a small annoying creature. And B, he was introduced after the fact. His prominence only raised as either views lowered or executives who needed to push for scrappies, influence got bigger.
Absolutely. And then you could also say that there's a subgenre on that subgenre, the cousin Oliver. The character that was invented to shoot a series in the wrist but didn't do anything. Right.
No cousin Oliver's garbage character. I hate that character. Everyone does. No one likes cousin Oliver.
No, we like any of the cousin Oliver's that are just in the show. No. They're always failures, always. Yep.
They always fail. They married the children cousin Oliver their show when they added that kid. And the show was just the garbage fire. The chat is very quick to bring up Porgs.
Yeah, I guess Porgs are kind of a big inspiration for this episode so because we were both thinking about it. Yes, I hate Porgs. I don't even know what they are. And I've never seen them except for two trailers.
And all over the toy aisle of Target. I didn't hate Porgs but I got to say the internet was really quick in making me hate them from like, oh, that was a cool trailer. Oh, look, a new fun animal psychic. Flash forward two hours with all the memes and everything.
I was like, OK, I hate this thing now. Oh, no. When we first saw the Porg, we were like, how on the nose can you get? Literally it went from, I mean, OK, everybody wants to draw the comparison of Porg to the Ewok.
The small and wing creature that's merchandising exists only two cell toys. A great example of a small and wing character. Ewok is absolutely in that category. The issue that I always have with Ewoks is or the exception I give to Ewoks is that Ewoks started from a place of originality.
Originally, they wanted to do Wookiees. And so all the vampire would have been on Kashik and it would have been dealing with Wookiees. The problem with that was, number one, it was expensive. And number two, it's hard to market Wookiees.
Just look at the Star Wars Holiday Special, which is not like Wookiees. I'm looking. I'm looking. I wish I didn't.
Just how unmarketable they are. The Wookiees in the Star Wars Holiday Special, literally, we have a 20 minute cold open in that fucking movie where it's literally nothing but Chewbacca's extended family and his wife growling at each other with no subtitles. It is unwatchable garbage. Sure is.
Let's do it this Christmas. No. I've seen it twice. Now I'll never see it again.
I'm done with the Star Wars Holiday Special. Oh, it's brain poison. That's a Guantanamo Bay torture device. It really is.
If I had to extract some information from someone, OK, chain them up to the chair, force them to watch the holiday special on repeat. If you get to Harvey Korman, then that person is a rock and he deserves me set free. Yeah, really? Look, I'll tell you anything.
I'll tell you the launch codes man. Just make it stop. So anyway, but Ewoks, I always liked the Ewoks. And while I know that they were designed for me to like them as a child because they were adorable teddy bears, they also eat human flesh.
They hunt. They murder stormtroopers of blinds, they are not beyond actual getting their adorable paws dirty. And also, only wicked is cute. The rest of them are kind of gross looking.
Little messed up, little deep forest creature. It's hard to really argue that Ewoks are cute when you look at them. The only exceptions are wicked, they'll be worth and those cute little Ewok cubs in the nest. But outside of that, Chief Chirp is gross looking.
Whatever the medicine man is, they're all gross. And so I mean, if you were coming from a place of like, we've got to sell these goddamn bears. Like George Lucas made like, you know, he lost a hand in poker. It's like teddy bear empire.
Yeah, manufacturer. And he's like, I have this warehouse that keeps making bears. What am I going to do? I got to sell these bears.
Then don't make them gross looking. I still say that Tuzni Ewoks like hardcore attitude and their gross faces, that only wicked is the exception to the rule. They just missed the cutoff. And even then, I don't find wicked that annoying.
I mean, you watch the Ewok movies, he gets a little more annoying because he's a girl. Oh yeah. Well, what is it, a caravan of courage, and what was the other one? The Great Ewok Adventure.
Oh yes. I always thought there was a third one, but I'm just mixing up the show, the cartoon show, of which I watched quite a few episodes. A Paul Deenie cut his teeth right now on that show. That explains why some of it's watchable.
Exactly. That's why a young ass Paul Deenie write that in the D&D cartoon. Right. But the porgs, there's nothing about, okay, first of all, I've seen their porg toys already.
There were porgs months ago. So obviously, before we even saw a porg in motion, we saw a porg toy that made porg noises. The only feature that toy does is it makes noises. They were getting ready for it.
The noise it makes is cute. Obviously, the porg is a small and wing creature created for the sole purpose of selling toys. And for Rich Evans to fucking funny cut away bits from Red Letter Media, that was what. Well, you know, he already ruined the R5-D4.
But then you see the porg in action, and it has the big eyes. It is literally like a design team was like, okay, we need to make something that says marketable Z-Woks, but they gotta be cute this time. What do we do? It's like the advent, the engineering of Sonic the Hedgehog.
You know what this is? The engineering of Sonic the Hedgehog. Sonic the Hedgehog not come from some person who was like, what would it be cool this blue hedgehog was fast? When they knew the game?
Sega was like, we gotta make our own Mario. What are we gonna do? And so this team, Alapuchi got together, and they hash it out like he's gotta have these fins, he's gotta have shoes, he's gotta be in your face. He's gotta be totally in your face.
The development of Sonic the Hedgehog was solely a corporate decision made by a committee. And listen, it worked. And I'm still, I like classic Sonic. But not like the mythology, by the way.
I don't want like a Sonic character of me. I just mean like, I played one, two, three, in Knuckles and then the newest one. You say you don't want your own Sonic original character there. So I'm pretty sure if you type your name, the Hedgehog, you'll come up in Google image search.
Thank you for the question, thanks to the perpetuation of DVR and the weird association that Sonic Hedgehog has with people who definitely wanna draw it. Sonic's, there you have it. But the Porgs are like an engineered corporate bullshit machine that are made by people who are trying to get you to buy things. It was just like the minions.
It was the minions, man, fucking, okay. So minions, they've been working on minions since well before Despicable made. Oh yes. People have owned this minions property.
Oh yeah. And apparently, reportedly according to like, at least Max Land is the story. Yes. People would go to pitch things to DreamWorks.
Is that what I mean? Yeah. And they would be like, but can we work in the minions? Do we work in these yellow tic-tac idiot creatures?
Wait, it might be illumination, I think. I always think it's DreamWorks, but it's not even DreamWorks. You're like, no, no, we're too good for this. We won't do that.
We won't do anything for a lot, but we won't do minions. Right, but damn it. Minions, man, those things, they've been trying to shove down our throats for years. They finally hit.
Of course they worked because they are like a famous bowl of everything that is marketable to like, Yeah, they're genderless. Yeah, they're genderless. They make stupid expressions. They speak nonsense languages combined with Spanish for some reason.
They speak Simlish, so they cross all lines. It's really weird and it's really frustrating. I hate them so much. Literally, they should, we should actually just call the small little joint creature the minion.
Yeah, I mean, that's very fair. To me, when I knew the minions had crossed over, I'm like, okay, this is officially too much. Burn it down, burn it all down and start over. Was like, when you're aunt or older friend on Facebook, like puts like those weird like minions memes.
Yeah, like he's winning or something. Yeah, like what the fuck does this mean? This isn't anything. What are you even doing?
Yeah, no, it's awful. But minions definitely represent like the worst, the drags of the small annoying creature, because they get their own movie. Yep. And I had to see it.
Oh, did you really? I was like, I'm not a general friend from college. And he was like, we are going to do two things. We are going to make you wait for food all the time.
And we are going to make you watch this minions movie. Wow. And I go see it in a freaking drive-in. Oof.
And actually, I like to see it in a theater setting. But I saw a double feature of inside out and minions. Oh, which you also hated inside out. We just, a couple years ago when we talked about our favorite movies of the year.
I hate inside out like you wouldn't believe, but at least we can agree that minions sucks. We sure can. But yeah, so screw minions, but let's move on to the next small annoying creature. Oh yeah, but oh, a screw porgs as well.
I already were supposed to hate them. I think because like they're trying too hard. And I think that's funny. They really are.
When we're kids. And like I think sometimes, like I will admit that I fail for Sonic, right? Oh, we all do. But also the game is fucking fun.
That also helps. Yeah. So it doesn't really even matter what the Sonic is. You know, it's just as long as he can run.
I always liked a bonk from the TurboGrafx 16. I liked him too. Nice pull. But thank you.
But I always felt like whenever they were marketing for me, I rejected it like on a subconscious level. Yeah. So I thought that was better than this. You can't play me like a $10 bill.
Come on. I mean, the original small annoying creature is Robin. When you really boil it down. I mean, that's fair.
I mean, listen, I love Robin. His legacy has surpassed his meme-itude, but the fact is- Absolutely. He broke the mold. Robin was created because the publishers didn't think that kids could project themselves onto Batman.
That's true. He's too much of a weird loner he needs someone to talk to. Yeah, but like also we need our readers or readers or children. They need someone to project themselves onto.
They can't imagine themselves being like a swashbuckling buff crime fighting like do googler in a cape. Which is such an adult idea. Except the fact that children have been pretending to be Superman for years before that, so you will create Robin. And I like Robin now, but the inspiration for Robin is kind of corporate.
It is. Well, even though it's another hilarious corporate decision, I don't know if we talked about this before, obviously being Canadian. I love that show, Reboot. Reboot?
Yes. The CG show. Yes. Timmy loves Reboot.
I also watched a lot of Reboot. I dubbed the shit out of that show. It's a solid show. It's one of my favorite shows that never got a proper ending that always bugged the shit enemy.
They came right to the end and never got to do anything. And when it put a lot of intro- Not good jobs off the back of working on it. What I was trying to say though, there was a kid in that show, Enzo, who was there like little Robin K-doo hung out with him. I think he was a mold-breaking character too, but did you know the only reason he was in that show?
They had pitched it for years and years without him. It was one of the producers who was an older Italian man who literally said, Hey, you need a kid in the show. You need a little Enzo. So the writers were like, Okay, we'll put a kid in the show and his name is Enzo.
That's funny. Here's a little boy character and then it's sold. Yeah. I will say.
He got a fuck of an arc and they even turned him into like a darker, grittier, older version of himself as time went on. So he actually got to grow up. Watch reboot if you haven't already by the way. It's very solid.
I went in the super check here in Morrison says Batman the End Series, Bluer release next year can't wait. Yes. I'm behind it again. I hate to derail the show when this happens, but I do want to mention what we're in your comic on Tiffany got a chance to interview Tara Strong, Bruce Tim and Kevin Conaway.
We're thinking about either releasing those individually or we're going to couch him into a Batman the End Series Bluer release like Retrospective Video, which would you rather see? Let me know in the comments. So anyway, yeah, Enzo, but he I think he fixed himself because he wasn't horribly obnoxious by the time he was pre-disposed to do that because that's what like baseball cap wearing junior sidekicks to the main hero do. I'll have a short round who I also really liked.
Me too. And here's why. Here's why I think short round counts as a small and annoying creature, but also transcends it or elevates above. Indeed.
He has dignity. He does. He has dignity, self-respectors, things he won't do. Absolutely.
He's not up for anything. It's like they wrote an adult broken English like Japanese characters. And they were like, what if we de-age him by 20 years? Yeah, what if we made him a little kid?
What if we made him a little kid, but literally gave him the same type of dialogue they give to an adult. And I loved it. I love short round. I think it's a great character.
I like him too. And listen, you could say they made him for marketing purposes, but like I don't have any short round dolls, toys, posters, anything. There's not a short round piece of merchandise and I'm sure that the actor who played short round is disturbed about that as well. I'm sure he is also.
Did you see the joke going around for a bit? I think the actor also kind of ran with it too. What's his name? Steven Jung, the Asian guy from Walking Dead.
He's like, oh yeah, that was me. I was short round. Yep, that was me. No, you're not.
And everyone believed him for so long. Yep, that was me. Yeah, that was not you. He's much older than you.
I'm not Asian actors in Hollywood because I'm pretty sure what is it? Harold from Harold and Kumar. He made that same joke as well. He was like, yep, that was me.
You white people won't look that up. You'll disagree with me. Yeah, you were not in Goonies. You were a liar.
But I might have been. Yeah. Short round is the only one, one of the only characters from the Indiana Jones movies that I'd like to see come back. Same.
Right? I mean, why not bring back short round. He was a surrogate son. Absolutely.
And then he used to bandage it. Yeah, I think that would actually be a great thing because you know they're going to do another indie. They're going to pay Harrison for it enough money to come back and pass the torch to someone. I would like the idea that they throw short round and they'd be like, hey, you know, your legacy.
I've kind of been having my own adventures. Maybe I should get a chance at the hat in the whip, maybe. Right? I would down for an Asian indie.
Same here. So yeah, there's plenty of other like small creatures that do not break the mold that are the epitome of those characters. Absolutely. The cover of the show, Slimer and the Real Ghostbusters.
You're looking at one of the biggest Ghostbusters fans out there. I love Ghostbusters. Totally. You're on Proton Pack.
I have my own Proton Pack. And my Halloween costume from last year up until the end of my life will be Ghostbusters Outfit. But I'll just refine as we go. But like Ghostbusters works because it's about four men who, and I don't mean like men, because women know.
Yeah, I was going to say, don't stress that last part too hard. I know what you mean. Adults who are trying to run a business and they're very funny. And that's the show or movie franchise.
Yeah. And yet they introduce Slimer as like a pet in the show. And I remember as a kid being like, what Slimer was the bad guy in the movie? Like he's the first capture.
Why is he? Seems odd. I mean it's not like in the Men in Black Show the big bug became their mascot or something. Yeah, that was weird.
But Slimer, his role as you watch the show through its many seasons, his role gets bigger and bigger and bigger. And it's inexplicable unless you watch like, Phailand's videos about the subject. Oh yes. Which are fascinating videos.
They're great. They're way more deaf than I'll ever get. The only advice I would give is like, watch the video on like, one and a half times the speed and it'll go a lot better. But his videos on the real ghost was talking a lot of stuff about like how that show went and how Slimer became this weird like prominent character.
We're seemingly no reason whatsoever. There's no like rhyme or reason why this horrible firm, this outside firm they hired to fix a show that was already number one in the ratings. Yeah. Why they had this weird existence.
They had like two weird bugs up their asses. One is that Janine is like not as attractive as she should be. Yeah, that one always got me. As nerds it's like, yeah, the redhead with cool glasses who has a New York accent.
No, that's my jam. I already fine. Don't fuck that up. Yeah, exactly.
Oh no, let's change the voice actors, make her hair weird and change out of features. Like what do you know? They at least gave an episode to her telling why she changed if nothing else. Who wrote that?
It's just here Peter David, but some major writer. Someone very famous where you're like, no fucking way. It's called like what's up with Janine or something. Or what happened to Janine?
Yeah, and then they tried to fix it and then they just ignored it after that. Sure did. But yeah, so Dean got screwed up and also Slimer needed to become more prominent. The show's got to be about Slimer now.
It's about like, and Joel, you know the famous quote about what the note was about Slimer when they got like scripts back or was like maybe something about Winston. They were like, no. That's right. They had three things.
The other was the Winston drives the car. Yeah, another weird thing. They had a problem with women, black people, and they love Slimer. Oh, what's the sliver quote?
Oh, God, I can't go. It's on the tip of my tongue. What the fuck was it? When Slimer is not around, or not.
Oh, God, they're kidding. Other characters need to be asking where Slimer. So it's the literal poochy right there. Make sure Slimer isn't every scene.
If he's not ever seen, people should wonder where Slimer is. Poochy needs to be more in your face, more proactive, and needs to have access to a time machine. I'm sorry. It's just that these terms you're talking about, a paradigm is proactive.
Are these just words that don't be used to look smarter? I'm fired, aren't I? Oh, yes. Oh, yeah.
The rest of you write it gets to work. But yeah, screw Slimer. But the show got so out of hand, it was like Slimer's role, who literally shouldn't have had any role at all, turned the show from the Real Ghostbusters to Slimer and the Real Ghostbusters. I think it's the perfect, on the nose example of this problem.
It really is. Or the problem where this character just gets too big for their britches. It just hijacks the whole thing. To the point where Slimer and the Real Ghostbusters, first of all, you knew every episode was going to be about Slimer.
So that sucks as a reviewer of the show. Second, they also outsourced a shittier animation studio to make a short Slimer show that comes out on the end of that show, which means that the show I liked not only has been hijacked by this obnoxious green snot wall. Oh, yeah. But it's also shorter to make room for his show, which he already has.
Say this, say what you will, but at least Snarf didn't have a show about himself. Remember I joke there saying it's not like what is it the men in black made the bugs their mascot? I was technical, but they did have someone else's their mascot. They had the worms.
I was technically wrong about that. The coffee loving worms who asked for a cup of coffee in the first movie, and then coffee becomes their thing throughout the series. Yes, in the show. And in the movie, we also, in the sequel, the sequel is just a big, huge piece of shit.
It's basically like, I don't know. It's a what not to do list of sequel make-up. It's like the most creatively bankrupt thing. We only have a few years before Tynelly Jones looks like just a pile of skin.
We really don't need to waste his good favor being in this movie on this piece of shit movie. Let's rehash the original, bring back all the jokes from the first one that you don't hit near as well. They don't hit near as well because they're just garbage. The thing that really bugged me about men black too, it qualifies in the show, is the fucking pug.
Oh yes, Frank the pug. Who was a fun throwaway in the first one? Who was an alien disguised as a dog in the first movie, and then the second one is just a dog that talks and he gets to put on a goddamn suit? He does, and that was in all the trailers.
It was the first visual sign. I'm like, oh, this movie's going to be fucking garbage. Even in the cartoon too, Frank got whole episodes devoted to him. In fact, one of the recurring villains, his big hook into the series was that he was Frank's old cellmate when they were in prison together, and he wants revenge on Frank and by extension the MIB.
Right, of course. Frank was not a member of men black. He's like a junk-dealing informant in the first movie. How can we make dolls of this character?
We see the marketability of this character and we must have it. Yeah, and that's the origin of Frank. I mentioned Snarf. A lot of our viewers might be too young to remember Thundercats, but Thundercats is a thing that had, I think the best thing about Thundercats is their damn logo.
Yeah, it's really sweet logo. It's so good. I don't know if I can jack it. And the intro.
The theme, the animation for the intro and that fucking logo, you have a hit that will happen. That's another episode. We got to do theme songs. Thundercats, cool premise that is literally just hijacking a bunch of premise and some other things from that era.
And then they put in Snarf. Snarf is their small, annoying, marketable creature. I don't know why at all. It's not only that I sound annoying, but I'm also a stick in the mud for every situation.
I'm no one's favorite Snarf. There's the nylics of Thundercats. Except nylics would occasionally learn lessons. You're going to die a cold existence alone in the vacuum of space.
But Snarf and Orko are like hand in hand because they came out around the same time and they would get themselves into the idea is like the team has to go deal with their villain. Thankfully their villain is either Mamra or Skeletor and they're ineffectual and stupid, so they'll defeat themselves more likely, but in the meantime they have a nefarious game that will destroy their planets, neither of which are Earth. That said, they have a plan or they have an idea or they just want to take a goddamn break and Snarf and Orko will want to do something. Like they want to test some experimental ship they're using or play in some or mix some chemicals together or you know they just want to get a goddamn of paint or sniff glue or something.
Right, they do some goddamn thing that gets them into a bucket of syrup that they can't get themselves out of and every time I watch those shows, even as a very little kid, I was like why don't they just let this thing die? Leave it, leave him to die. Yeah, he's always in the way. I don't understand.
By the way, quick super chat over on Eddie Dizon says the reboot in 2012 wasn't too bad. But also a lot less reliance on Snarf. The the chat to you if we're talking about these characters we also have to mention the great gazoo from Flintstones. Gregazoo is basically just cute, which is Flintstones.
Yeah, like literally like years before. Nippon did alien dumb dums. That's literally every time I really found an appreciation for Q I'd be like he would show up, oh hello dumb dum dum I'm here to teach you a lesson about humility, like Gregazoo sucks. He's a weird decision.
Very like you could tell they were running out of ideas at that point. Yeah, but weird idea with gazoo, I don't know if he's a small annoying creature, but like he's not stupid. No he isn't. I don't know, based on the description of the small and unwind creature, you know, it has to be cute, provide comic-assides, and occasionally get into trouble and require rescuing.
Yeah, because zoo isn't cute, and they never needed to save them. No, and they didn't really, it frequently also has a verbal tick. Hmm, also a big one. Yeah, the very good zoo counts with a verbal tick, which is where he calls a friend, a dumb dumb.
That's true. Is that a tick though, or is that just a catchphrase? I think that's just a catchphrase. I think the key counts.
I think the zoo falls into the category of like Michigan J-Frog, where it's like, you know, a character that the main character insists is real, but everyone else doesn't believe it. That's another pretty good one. The chap was also saying alpha too. Yeah, he's got, I-I-I-I-I-I-I, he's pretty useless.
Is a robot a creature though? Fucking yes. Alpha 5 definitely is a small and unwind creature. He would get into trouble.
He would screw up. Yeah, goddamn tick. He has stupid character. I always hated alpha 5.
And yet he was never heavily marketed though. Was the interesting thing like they knew. It's like they knew no kid wanted to be alpha in the thing. No, no one ever wanted to know, hey, where's your alpha action figure?
No, it's true. Yeah, alpha was weird. Weird character, but also completely counts. Ian reminded me about Cowell from She-Ra.
Again, yeah, Cowell is supposed to be like the Orca replacement. You know, equivalent. That's really too much. It's just a cute owl with weird wings.
I liked the Cowell. I liked Cowell a damn sight better more than Orca or Snarf. And I think it's just because Cowell had the goddamn decency to shut his fucking face. That also helps.
Will I-M Golden says do Herbie from the F-F count? Have some dumb damn lutely Herbie counts. Herbie was annoying. He was small.
He would get into scrapes. And more importantly, he replaced the human torch. For no good reason, except the people thought that they were going to set themselves on fire. Children will set themselves on fire, Sal.
It's a very imitable act. You just gotta get some gasoline or some lighter fluid. Colin went there when I was going to casually avoid it, but I will touch upon it. I think Mr.
Poopy Butthole counts as a small annoying creature. Is he not a parody though of the genre? No, he's not. And I'll tell you why, because the audience has embraced him and they think he's a character.
That's- It had the adverse effect, that's for sure. Like, as we've said before, Wubble, Wubble Dub is making fun of stupid catch-rays, as Putha fan base has embraced it. Yeah, also, Wubble, Wubble Dub is a cry for help, and people say it like when they're happy and excited, and it's like, wait a minute, it's the point. Nobody's supposed to say Wubble, Wubble, Wubble, unless you want to die.
And it's like- Just like people miss the point of sauce, he only wants the Szechuan sauce, because he's dead inside and he's trying to fill his loveless life with bullshit. Yeah, don't punch or yell at a McDonald's employee. Just make sure they get an asshole, and we're gonna do a quick PSA. Dan Harmon and Justin Royland are finicky, fickle, temperamental people.
Oh yes they are. Who will burn their entire empire to the ground if you all act like the worst examples of their fandom. They will quit tomorrow, and in fact, if you've been listening to Harmon's podcast, do this fucking stress. Like he used to do his show in front of a live studio audience, hasn't done it in the last two months.
Yeah. I believe that season four will be the last season of Rick and Morty. And I think it's cool because Dan Harmon is a bitch who can't handle fucking work, and also they're both volatile people who are like, hey, two thirds were audience or assholes. I think that Rick is like a character to be, you know, one and a half.
They've missed the point of everything we've been trying to say. Yep, fuck that. Quit. I would really like it if in the next season they do an episode where everyone on earth starts to love Rick only for Morty to be like, no, no, he's a monster.
Seriously, don't give him all this love and affection. But then I also don't want that, because if the show starts clapping back to its audience, then it's completely changed. I just want it to be a good show. That's all.
But yeah, so anyway, getting into the other show. Hey, you know, it was a character that ruined a show by being this goddamn small annoying creature? Good show. I really liked it.
Didn't expect to. Thanks to Tiffany, though. She was like, watch the show. And I'm like, oh fuck, it's funny.
Poof from the Fairly Oddparents. Oh shit. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Fairly Oddparents.
Man, that one brings me back. Yeah, great show. Really funny. Then they were like, hey, let's have a kid.
Timmy's your kid. What are you doing? Yeah. We're, what is it?
We're shitting in the punch bowl is what we're doing. Yeah, fuck Poof. And every decision they've made on that show from there on out. Is it still on?
Because I remember like there was like a serious jumping off point. There was like a one year anniversary episode. I went, well, that wrapped up everything. Yeah, no, and don't put copy pastas in my chats.
Oh, is that happening? No, people are posting about having a high IQ for being Ricky? Oh, yes. That's gone super meme-y.
But yeah, screw Poof and also that girl in the new season. You should really, if you don't, if you haven't watched any Fairly Odd parents in a while, watch the recent season intro and it's like, because it's the same fucking song, but they like re-sing it. Oh shit. And they add new character and they change the entire premise of the show.
And you just hear them all going like, like they just hate themselves. Like they're tired. I'm fucking amazed. It's still going.
I thought Butch Hartman moved on to other stuff. I thought the show was over five years ago. And then people were talking about the new season, how it's ruined everything. I'm like, uh, everything ruined everything when Poof joins the show.
Yeah. Yeti is saying they now have a merry suit that Jimmy has to share his fairies with seriously. Wow. Yeah.
They added a character who like is, who like wants to, she wants to use the fair, the odd parents to like make the world a better place and like selfish. There's a fairy shortage. That sounds like maybe they should have just started another show, but didn't want to tell what happened was they just like their money too much, but they also hate the show. If we want to stay in the Star Wars, we'll ask because there's a lot of those people.
Sure is. People mentioned R2D2 sarcastically, but the fact is R2D2 is a small merchandising creature. He's cute. He's fun.
He gets shit done, but he gets it. He has that whole thing. It's the dignity clause. If he has dignity in self respect, if there's things they won't do, if they have a line in the sand that they will not cross, they elevate themselves from that from that distinction.
Absolutely. But is 3PO one of those? I think 3PO is more of a butt monkey than a merchandising creature, but he gets annoying and he is selfish and he tends to make things all about himself. But the one that I think really counts is actually a thankfully it's a character that people really like.
I did a lot of things to face value when I was a kid watching movies, particularly Star Wars. For example, when I like the Ewoks, I didn't know about the Wookiees or about merchandising, so I was like, whatever Ewoks, yeah, that sounds good. I did think it was weird that they were bears. They were like, hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, why do they look like something I know?
Sondan's look like nothing. I don't know what the fuck that is. But then when they introduced a salacious crumb, the little little gesture of Jabba's Palace. I look back.