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Hello everybody, what else was the change in Sal? And I'm Joel. Happy 100th episode of the Elseworld Exchange. That's right, we are on episode 100, zero zero everybody.
We just did a whole thing, like not two episodes ago, about how we've been doing this for two years. Sure did. And I knew we were gonna do this, we were gonna have this thing where we're like, oh hey, and also we have 100 episodes. anniversaries within anniversaries, man.
So I figured what we talk about is the concept of hitting numerical milestones and why we do it, if it's important and why we think it's important. That kind of thing. Yeah. Like, we've hit 100 episodes.
It doesn't feel like 100 episodes. It doesn't feel like a particularly special magnet, like, you know, incredible episode. It feels like a good, like, you know, we gotta do another show. Here we go.
Like, that's why it's just a topic where it's like, hey, let's talk about that whole philosophy itself. But as comic book readers, we pay very close attention to numbers. Oh, yes. And especially now where it seems like both companies are rushing to hit major milestones.
Big time. We are seeing a big insistence on milestones, numbering, legacy, that kind of thing. I mean, look at Marvel going back to the legacy numbering, so that they can reach those milestones. Amazing Spider-Man hitting at the issue 100, 200, 800.
And Action Comics going to a thousand. Yep. And the fact that DC is making it kind of a big deal, they're going to modding the first issue. They're pulling on an old seagull shoestruck Superman comic to reprint.
Love it. They're dropping the rebirth logo round the same time. It's very interesting in how people tend to celebrate these milestones and where we go with them. By the way, as a quick aside, I was looking at that beautiful logo for Action Comics 1000.
And it made me think about DC and the name and their rebranding, like their constant rebranding. It's just a very quick tangent where, you know, DC kept changing what they do and changing their logo and everything. And, you know, DC stands for Detective Comics. Yes.
So it's actually a redundancy. It's detective comics comics. And I was thinking, like, wouldn't it be cool if DC one day decided to change their name to Action Comics? Oh, jeez.
I don't know. I just kind of like that idea that DC one day might be like, screw DC. We're going to get Action. I think it's about 75 years too late.
I think that there's, I think there's always time, especially in DC's case, because they always rebrand anyway. That's fair enough. But anyway, just a peek into that kind of thought process. I can see them maybe trying to change what the DC meant, where it's like, well, now we're direct comics or discovery comics or something.
No, it's not. But Action Comics, at least then it's like, woo! Because it's not DC Comics, they're not all detective, but they're all about the action. No.
Didn't KFC try and do something like that? Didn't they try and do a big rebranding instead of Kentucky Fried Chicken? They were like, kitchen fresh chicken and everyone was like, no. I thought that they did a thing where it used to be, it used to stand for Kentucky Fried Chicken, and then they were like, we can't technically call it what we make chicken.
So they just dropped the meaning of the letters and just, we're KFC. Like, we're, oh, what's the name of the company? It's K-A-Y-E-F-S-E. We're KFC.
It's just the letter KFC represents just the name of the company. And it's like, we just like, when Nezquik used to be called Nezquik, and it was about chocolate milk, and then they were like, oh, we don't use milk, it's actually technically a chocolate drink. And then they gave the name. To reflect that.
But yeah. Companies are weird. It's weird. But reaching those milestones and celebrating.
Again, we love those milestones. We love celebrating those moments. We did a number one back issue at 100. We were like, I guess we got a new final crisis.
We did one of the biggest books that people had been asking us to do. But at the end of the day, it's just a solid episode, and it has no bearing on the longevity of the series. We didn't do anything, particularly special, besides just being there and saying, hey, we hit 100. But in comics, it's funny how people choose to celebrate them and I remember going back and trying to kind of like absorb some of those errors.
I mean, you know, through the lens of Spider-Man, for example, you know, Spider-Man had a lot of milestones. 200, 300, I think 300 is when he got, was the first appearance of Venom or less. Right. You know, 400 and A died.
500 was the happy birthday issue where like Uncle Ben comes back, but they brought out a video junior, a genre reader to draw it. They do these kind of special things, but the question is, does it really matter? And why do we care so much? Why do you think that people care so much about celebrating these milestones?
I like to think it's a connection to history. Honestly, it's the wow. We made it so much longer than everyone else. We could have, you know, stopped at any point, but we made it to this big huge point.
And now we have like a body of work that you could actually go back and absorb and everything. So you think it's more like a celebration of like, of achievements where it's kind of rubbing it in the faces of those who can't quite reach that level? Maybe not a rub in the face, but more like a pat on the back. Okay, okay.
I mean, it is a good opportunity to reflect and congratulate yourself. Mm-hmm. So that's kind of cool. I guess that's true.
I guess that's really like the excuse to celebrate a milestone is because otherwise, you know, if they just pick like, you know, Batman number 262 and they were like, this is the issue we're gonna talk about how awesome we are and how great it is that we're right in Batman. Like it wouldn't seem a little weird. It would seem a little weird. I remember again, through Spider-Man, when like I think Spider-Man hit like 50 years or something, they had like five different Spider titles.
So they all celebrated the 50 years. It's like all the holographic covers, even though the issue numbers didn't line up with any kind of celebration. It was kind of weird. Interesting.
But yeah, but when they do that and it doesn't quite fit up with the milestone look, it's kind of weird. I was thinking about when we do like numbering for these shows. For some reason people like to celebrate the 75th issue as well. Yes.
What's that? No, is that like a golden jubilee thing? Or like, is that an anniversary number? I don't know.
Like what's the significance of 75? I remember when it's like 375, and when I were 375 and it was like so? And yet a lot of people do that. 50 I get, it's half of 100, even though that still it doesn't really mean much.
But it's interesting that we celebrate these numbers and the video. Didn't in the new 52 they celebrated the 52nd issue, which obviously makes sense because it's the 52 of 52 and the DC universe where 52 is so important. Yes, the number means something. So when we get that number it matters.
I remember when Gen 13, the ongoing series, reached issue number 13 and they did 13 variant covers. And weird, but I get it because like, and in that it's very arbitrary. It's very specifically about the number in your name. If we were.
Yeah, we've got a number baked in. So why not? Yeah, we were like else world 88. Obviously the 88th episode would have mattered in some way.
Yes. Now, a tack of a reminder to me about the 25th issue. 25. What are these numbers?
Why do they need anything? No, 25 is Gerald is saying that he thinks that's the becoming just a justify price increases. Yeah, I think that is in recent years where it's like, oh, that's kind of a landmark number. That's half of 50.
So let's charge a little bit more money for it. I think that's what it is. It's just that cynical. It's like, well, 25.
I think it means I think it's because it shows it almost like we're thinking to ourselves, like we're showing no signs of slowing down. I think that's what it should be. But I think we've gotten to the cynical point. Yeah, that's true.
Yeah, it certainly looks that way. Because like some things do like, oh, it's our big 25th issue. I'm like, what are you celebrating? The first 24 issues were that great.
No, and that's the other thing is that if you go back and look at some of these landmark issues, or the celebratory episodes, or it's like we go back and look at everything we've done and we create something here. Are they really any good? I was trying to think of this before we started and I almost wish I could do a little bit more research, but I personally can't think of any big landmark anniversary, 100, 200 issue that really sticks out in my mind. I think you named all the big ones with Spider-Man.
The definitely Spider-Man one, they at least try to go like make something important happen for those issues. But like bless you, but Spider-Man number 100, Spider-Man 200, the things that happen in them. And really when you try to force some measure of importance onto it, like you go, well, we reach this arbitrary number. And nothing really was leaning towards that at this point.
So I guess we'll just have to make it mean something. So make it matter, like it just becomes that much less important. I think for like the last couple like Detective Comics milestones, like you know, issue 800, issue 700, everything, I think they even didn't even do anything special. So the point where they were just like anthology tales, where it's like, okay, let's tell a regular story, but let's get like three or four beloved back writers to come back and write a story.
I think that's kind of the best and most obvious solution for comics is just get some classic authors and artists and bring them back, and you have to do like a pin up cover gallery or something. You know, maybe so and so doesn't want to write a whole issue or maybe we don't want to pay them to write a whole thing. I think we'll do like a three page story. That's kind of like a really quick reminder about why they don't do this anymore.
Yeah, that's always, oh, the chat has a good one too. Batman number 666 for Morrison when we saw like the crazy alternate Damien universe. And that was literally, I normally they don't give a crap about the 666 issue. But I mean, it only comes once.
Well that first of all, there aren't a lot of issues that did that. And second of all, yeah, how often are you gonna hit 666? When you can't just do something that that evokes the sign of the demon. You gotta honor the number of the beast, man.
Yeah, silent kid reminded me about Spawn 100. What happened to Spawn 100? That was a landmark issue. In fact, when Spawn hit 100, because I think McFarland said something well into the earliest times of Spawn's publication that like he goes, I think we're gonna probably wrap it up.
It's fun and indeed he did. And I don't mean that Spawn ended because obviously it's still going, but he wrapped up like he managed because he was writing Spawn since issue one. He managed to bring all the plot points that were raised in issue one to a head and wrap them up with a neat little bow at the end of the 200. And while there wasn't, like I don't even think it was a double length issue.
It was a landmark issue in that it concluded the Spawn series for those people who have been reading Spawn since number one. It was a jumping off issue. We talked so much about jumping on issues. That was like, hey, if you're here, you can leave now.
And that's the funny thing is like how afraid comic book creators are about doing that. I love jumping off issues because it suggests, hey, maybe it's time to stop and do something else. Or at the very least give you a satisfying conclusion to a story. And I'm going to win it because that really well in his stuff.
Judd Winick does that really well in his stuff. Yeah, I'm not assuming I'm going to quit the book just because it ended well. But if I do, it'd be nice to have a good place to stop. Absolutely.
But yeah, sorry one second. It's not right. Yeah, so sorry, I lost my trailer. The chat was saying to as far as 100 issue goes, a Walking Dead had a very similar thing for its 100th issue, which again, I think much like McFarland, Kirkman was talking about ending it around 100.
But then that sweet, sweet TV show money started coming in. And then he's like, maybe I should keep this going longer than it needs to. Yeah, I could see Kirkman. Well, I mean, I've also read the Kirkman says, like, I'm never going to end Walking Dead until literally very recently he decided not to.
Yeah, he keeps changing his mind. Then again, you hear all the legal stuff he's getting in with AMC and his new deal over at Amazon. And it's like, oh, well, this could happen any day now. Yeah, no, it's true.
I was just thinking about how, yeah, jumping off issues. That's what reminded me. There was an issue right after the clone saga. I don't remember what the issue number was.
But I remember it actually had kind of like either ended in a zero or a five. At least I think so. And it involved Spider-Man kind of like going back to Antony's house and kind of like reflecting on his life with Mary Jane. But by the way, no bullshit flashbacks, no old art that they revisited.
All that it was just go like, you know what? We've gone through a lot of crap, but let's just celebrate being alive. It's the Rocky Balboa moment. Yeah, so he and Mary Jane swing across the city and then like end up at a bridge or a building on a member and then they just like embrace each other.
And like, that's like, it's just a beautiful crescendo. And it's a great place to quit Spider-Man, especially after all that crap. But then of course, it ends with like some reference to Jack O'Lantern and you're like, damn it. There were a couple of things that remind you that like it's never gonna stop.
And I kind of like that idea, the idea of that. Like I remember when Marvel was doing the end series and then they did this crazy, fantastic four at the end. And apparently they asked Stan Lee to do one. He was like, he never really responded.
So they did this fantastic four at the end book. And then Stan, there you go. I finished my end book for Fantastic Four. And they went, what?
We did that years ago. It's over. This is late Stan. So they published it and it was called The Last Fantastic Four Story as a way because we don't do the end anymore.
No, of course not. It's like the big stupid thing where Fantastic Four do this one thing and whatever. It looks like it's gonna end. And it ends with them being like, well, I don't think we're ever gonna top that adventure.
So let's just move on. And so they just go off into the stars and you believe that everything's gonna be fine. They're gonna go on many more adventures. It's not like how they're doing now.
It's not like on the end in Secret Wars. Where it's like, people are complaining. Like, we're the Fantastic Four. It's like, you know, you could do worse than the ending for the Fantastic Four where they are a family that are at the base of their creation or explorers.
What they're doing now is they're exploring all, like not just all of our creation, but all of every creation. Also, do you remember how bad Fantastic Four was before they ended it? Like, it was already going the way of X-Men. It was already starting to suck due to lack of interest.
Well, how many reboots it did? It's just remember the red suits? Remember their red suits they had briefly? Yeah, yeah, that was an attempt.
Like to visually distinguish we're doing something else. But we should not discount the jumping off point for a book. And I think it's frustrating that Western comics are so deathly afraid of doing them. Cause like, you know, I don't know if I'm gonna just need some jumping off of a book and I want a satisfying conclusion or something.
It doesn't mean that I'm ever gonna quit forever. It's serial storytelling, man. It's like soap operas. Like the story never ends.
The drama never ends. Right. The play never ends. The trial never ends.
Like it's just, it goes ever on. The movie never ends. It goes on and on and on. Exactly.
But yeah, so I guess with respect to our celebration of milestones, I think it's an inherent human condition where like we need these, you know, you see patterns even when they're already done. And you see conspiracy theories that are popular because like the human brain has no choice but to create patterns and strings and references and connections where there aren't any. I think that we like- It's a defense mechanism. I said it's a defense mechanism to create patterns where there aren't none to try and make sense out of the chaos that is the universe.
It's true. And I think that we like seeing good big round numbers. Absolutely. Especially those nerds and geeks and collectors.
You know, we like to know where will this go in my collection. Exactly, exactly. There's a way to quantify it. I mean, just in terms of the way we place things in order, our sui decimal system or alphabetical order.
Like I was just asked the other day by an annoying member who said something like, where do you put the tie-ins when I'm placing my book? You know, like if I have a main series and then I put in the main book, where do I put the tie-ins? I put them in story order? Or do I put them in alphabetical order with their titles, especially if I don't buy those books?
Like, is that more like the tie-in book? Do I put it in with this or do I put it over there? And so it's like, yeah, no, we like our patterns and our order and our numerical systems. You really do.
When we hit that critical episode or issue 365 or 75 or 82 or 55 or whatever the hell, we really like to put some kind of special importance on them. Maybe because of how unimportant it is. Possibly. The chat just reminded me of a great one.
And I'm shocked. I didn't think of this one. The 100th episode of Power Rangers was forever read where they got back almost every red ranger for a big crazy ass crossover. Now, here's the question.
Was that, did they lead up to that? Was episode 99 like, whoa, or was it like? No. They hit it at 100 and they're like, hey, guess what?
Boom. They drop you right into it. They're like, hey, 100th episode special episode. They wanted it to be a two-parter, but they couldn't get the money together.
They wanted it to be like a TV movie, but they couldn't get the money together. They eventually ended up having to take even more money for the toy company, which is why they have a day was ex-mocking to toy save the day at the end. OK. It's still pretty freaking sweet though up into that moment.
Like they made lemonade out of lemons in that one. I guess that's fair. We do like to have some kind of cool, bombastic celebration. We like to get reminded that it mattered and that other people were paying attention to it and everything that led up to that moment.
Yeah, because if you reach episode or issue 100, you know, things are happening within the time frame or the issue frame. And so for it to culminate in like everything, or every red character that appeared from beginning to now, it's a way of saying like, we're showing respect to all that came before. Do you prefer a holy original story in your milestone episodes, issues, et cetera? Or do you prefer it to be kind of like a clip show, look back?
There's definitely a good case to be made for both. I mean, as we said before, it seems that most of those detective comics ones were all anthology stories were all look back. I'm trying to think of one that was like a big landmark issue that was a standalone story even. And it's kind of hard to think what it seems like most big landmark issues are look back nostalgia fast just by design.
Yeah, no, it's true. I think I prefer holy original stories. I think I'd like it to be like something all by itself where it's like, hey, do you remember that one issue where this crazy crap happened? Yeah.
But yeah, so what are some of your favorite milestones? Tevvy actually just reminded me of a milestone that sucked. Bendis' big X-Men milestone that came out like months late. It was supposed to be the capron on his X-Men run that did fucking nothing.
It got swept under the rug like a week later. I do not remember that. They had the whole big thing there where it's like, you've been writing the book for like three years. And everyone is like, they called Beast into the parlander.
Like, Beast, no, over these last three months, we really don't like what you've been doing with the time travel. That was three months, these three years, it only been three months. Are you fucking kidding me? And Beast is like, you motherfuckers coming at me like this.
I'm like, no, Beast is wrong, but I do agree with Beast on this when you are kind of ambushing him here. And then they're like, oh no, Scott's mutant revolution is happening that he's been threatening for the last three years. Only it was nothing. It was him on podium.
Oh, it was a capital thing? Doing nothing. And they're like, oh, and his revolution came after all. Like, he's at the fucking Grinch who saved Christmas, everybody.
And he was already dead by this point, because the big anniversary issue came out like months late. That's right. I remember that now. And nothing mattered and none of it mattered.
Yep. So yeah, so what are some of your favorite moments that are like, wow, we hit this milestone besides red rangers. There you go. I think Deadpool had a really good, how do you know if it was like a milestone or if it was his wedding issue, which might have been a milestone issue too, I think.
I think it fell on both. Because I remember it was back when they weren't numbering it. But just for that one moment, they brought back the special number. OK.
Actually, no way. Yes, actually, no, sorry. That was too. I'm getting too confused.
There was the wedding issue that was filled with a bunch of great backup stories from Jimmy Palmiadi and a bunch of people who had written Deadpool previously. No, the anniversary issue is where he kills all the different agents of Ultimatum to protect his daughter and everything. And that's actually a story they were building up to. It's a story they were going to hit anyway.
It was organic. And it's also a pretty good jumping off point for Deadpool at that point. OK, cool. I don't know if it was like Deadpool 1,800 or 800.
What the fuck was that? Oh, god, what was it? Because even their numbering was a little fucked up. So it's like, yeah, we're counting all the Deadpools, but also all the miniseries and also everything else that maybe might or might not be in canon.
So it was like they're manufactured 1,000th issue. But it was actually really good. That seems to be what Marvel's doing with the Marvel legacy numbering too. Well, it's funny.
They're not even doing, oh, thank you. It was Deadpool 250 is what they're saying. All right, cool. So yeah, it's Deadpool 250 actually a genuinely pretty solid anniversary issue.
Actually, one that bucks a lot of trains as far as anniversary issues go. I got to say, again, with Spider-Man, the fact that Venom did use in basically 300, Aunt May dying in issue 400. And that kind of, you could tell they forced it, though, where it's like Aunt May literally has been in a coma the entire clone saga. And then when we finally reach issue 400, they're like, and she wakes up and knows that he's Spider-Man and dies.
And they're like, wow, that was a lot of a pack. And this is one issue. But it felt like it worked because it's nothing better to compare it to. But it was still pretty solid, pretty solid cool stuff.
I was just thinking about the 127th episode spectacular of The Simpsons. Ooh, yeah, that was fun. It was just like they just picked a random number. They were like, ah, 127, whatever.
And they did that as a way to show you deleted scenes and previously unseen for many years, Tracy Olin's sketches. Pull back the curtain. And make a lot of original content that looked like it was letters and stuff. That was a really, really fun episode, and technically it counts as the 100th episode.
Because the actual 100th episode of The Simpsons was, I think, Marge, be not proud, where Bart steals bonestorm from the 20s and Lawrence Tierney plays the guy who's like, if I want to smoke one of my ass, I'd be outside my house with a carton of cigarettes and a short length of hose. Whoa. Whoa. If anybody talks about the Valley of Vista Tri and said, because you don't want to come to my store.
It's a solid episode, has no bearing on the numerical points. It's not like a big deal. It's just kind of like a good episode. It's just a good episode.
Yeah. And that's the kind of thing that I always do. What's that? I said, do Christmas episodes too.
Yeah, good Christmas episodes too. You're right. But I really, really don't. I really prefer to have my milestones be organically just good.
Just making it a good book. I mean, overall, I just want all my comments to be good. But anything that comes out, an episode or issue, or whatever, maybe don't focus so much on the number and just focus on the content. Absolutely.
Yes. I was thinking of what you were saying, like your words were resonating with me. I'm like, yeah. Because that's the thing, everybody wants to, I can't honestly, oh, Batman 500 was when the back got broken.
That worked. I think that was, they were leading up to that and I think they kind of knew it. I almost want to say that Batman Nightfall was kind of engineered because they knew they were adding a 500 issue and they were like, we better do something special for 500. I know, we'll get rid of Batman.
Why not? In Superman 75, we killed him. What was the big Spider-Man lead up before we hit Superior? That was a big milestone issue, wasn't it?
That was 700? Yes, I think so. Yeah, I think it was 700 where we killed Spider-Man kind of. Yeah.
Yeah, I guess that was another instance of okay, we're hitting a milestone issue anyway, better have something good to go with it. Yeah, in that case, I think slot was also building towards it and I think you knew it and I think that really worked. By the way, solid timed and amazing Spider-Man, if you're going to switch it over to Superior, is on a zero, on a 700? That's not that normally they don't do because they can't really coordinate it as such.
But where it's like, first they cancel all the Spider titles, they fold them into amazing. Then they're like, okay, amazing is going to go up to 700 and then we're going to start a new series, start, that's just going to replace the book. It's basically just an amazing Spider-Man or calling it something else. That was Superior Spider-Man.
Great idea to end it on 700 because then when you bring it back, you can start at 701 and it's not as frustrating and confusing for us. Which they didn't. Which they didn't and damn it. Let me tell you, well then they started with one and then one again and oh my god.
Multiple ones but hey, today we're back at 789. And I don't even know what the hell. And don't tell me that Dan Slott tweeted a photo of his refrigerator that had all the fucking numbers in it. That's not good.
That's garbage. But yeah, they built it towards it and it's a cool way to celebrate the milestone. It was also kind of an nostalgia piece too because we got the one where Peter Parker is quote unquote dying in his life flashes before his eyes and he sees his uncle and he sees everyone else at the pearly gates and shit. Yeah, that was cool.
It was a solid issue. It's just sad that it had to, I don't know, it kind of 600 was where I was like, I think I'm done. Because 600 was just he fights, Aunt May Mary's random character they invented for her to marry and then he fights Doc Ock and you're like what? It's just a weak, weak issue.
And the harbinger of Alex Ross painting every single Spider-Man cover forever and completely diluting his brand. And that really blows. So yeah, I guess yeah, it's rare but it's cool when they know that it's coming and they're like let's play it for it. Yeah.
But for the most part, like this episode in and of itself, it just kind of sneaks up on you. Oh, I'm sure that does happen to many creators though. Like I was right in my own shit and got really a big milestone issue. Goddamn it.
Yeah, no, I feel like Wolverine is a casualty of that a lot. Although I think what was it, Wolverine 75 is when he gets his out of the antine pole that of his skeleton. Right. So I think that affects, but back then in the 90s they were really focusing on like, like making, on capitalizing on your nostalgia, which is nothing like today.
No, no, no. How far we've come. Superman dies in a 75, doesn't he? Yes, Superman 75 he dies in that one too.
Well, there you go. Yeah. Yeah. And of course, yeah, they remind me in the chat like when in doubt, you have no good content.
Just give it a cool foil chrome holographic cover or something. Oh, yeah. But yeah, so milestones are weird and funny and they're rarely good. You know, like celebrating them is something that we I think want to do as people, but I think it's hard to make into decent, organically good content.
I think it's rough. Number one's are easy, but like when you get to the, when you get to the anniversary, it's like 150 and then of course the engineers and one I've seen, I've seen the celebrate issues 125 or, you know, one third or 175 or 375. Like at that point, when you're at like 375, how about you just, how about you just skip to the hundreds don't, because what do we got to celebrate issue like 525? Does that make sense?
But yeah, it's funny we've been talking about milestones for so long here. I did, did milestone the comic company ever have any big milestone issues? Right. I don't think they were, I don't think they were around long enough to reach that level.
I think that milestone was just the milestone was that they were published. Hey, that's the saddest, but hey, but hey, coming back now is a full imprint. That's a story I've been following quite quite religiously. Yeah.
Yeah. Did you notice it was kind of weird when they announced it's like, hey, we're getting icon rocket and you're getting static and a bunch of new books, almost like we don't have the rights to everything else. Yeah. I mean, or they relinquish the rights, you know, I don't know what to think because hey, that lawsuit is still ongoing.
They, they didn't say the lawsuit was over. So like this, this is still happening. No, that's true. By the way, correction, I was wrong about the episode of the Simpsons.
It was sweet, Seymour's bad ass song, which is an again fantastic episode and still not a milestone. Still just like here's a good episode of Simpsons enjoy. But anyway, just a correction there. Chat saying to apparently Teen Titans Go has already hit 200 episodes really.
Did they do? Teen Titans Go wouldn't put it past them to do something. We're like, we had 200 episodes. Let's throw a pie in each other's faces.
Oops, the pie is made of poop. Like I'm a garbage program. Fuck you, Internet. We're also getting a movie.
Yeah. By the way, anybody see the final funny movie. Friggin, Liam Shriver is in it. I found out apparently his kids are huge fans of the show and he's like the evil villain in it.
You know what? It's a bad story because both Martin Sheen being in spawn and Tommy Lee Jones being in Batman Forever are the result of my kids like this. Literally Martin Sheen got the offer. He's like, no.
And then somebody, one of the kids, not his kids, but probably one of the other 2014's kids, were like, are you kidding me? You got to be in spawn. You're going to get to be in spawn. You should do it.
He's like, OK. All right. I'll be the best part of this turn sandwich. I can do it.
This is the worst. But yeah, Raul Julian's Riefider, same deal, that's true. And the best part of that movie also. Bison Dollars.
he died making a movie instead of not being anything. But yeah. So I actually planned out this episode to be kind of short, like we talked about, like what I mean the episodes. So that would wrap it up, I just talked about New York Comic-Con.
Yeah, go for it. There is much you still need to tell me. I unfortunately can make it. You want to know, you said you wanted to ask me some questions and whatnot.
We turn into a little back and forth. Yeah, what did you do? What did you see? Did you run into any celebrities on the street as we did last year?
Did we run into celebrities on the street? Yes, but we didn't talk to them again. Yeah, because Ben bumped into Max Landis last year. We saw somebody in the street, I don't remember who it was, because somebody bumped into them.
We did see Zera Goza on the floor who was looking around. I don't know if that counts anymore if he's a celebrity, but like, it was nice to see him. And that was cool. But no, we didn't really, we didn't see any celebrities out in the wild.
Although Benny and Rob did catch up with Ethan Mancuyver and walked in all the way to where he ever was going. Interesting. And got a whole bunch of spoilers. Oh, hot damn.
But that was a thing. Let's see. And I got to meet Mark Hamill, which is kind of cool, but not, you know, not in the wild. But you got to see him.
That's cool. I still have a Killing Joke poster, and even though that movie sucked, I would have liked him to sign it. Yeah, I would have not signed it just out of respect for what I would have wanted him to have done. Exactly.
That's pretty fair. Yeah. Let's see. Yeah.
So what else is going on? Yeah, what else happened? We had a great time, I will say. This was one of the most successful cons I've had so far.
It was a really, really terrific professional show. We went all four days, Thursday through Sunday, and let me tell you something. Everybody else is tired. Like from experience.
I am invigorated. I love going to that show, and I am never sick of it. And I can literally go, I can drive an hour, get into the city, walk from 9am all the way to 8pm, and have a freaking blast doing it. And then get like six hours of sleep and do it again.
It's freaking amazing. I love that show, and I love doing this. And let me tell you, I used to do the New York Comic Con from 2006 up till now, and every time that I've done it, I've loved it. And having gone as like a civilian, and then as a professional, it's only getting better and better.
Yeah, it seemed really freaking cool. Just all the pictures. Did you see the guy who was dressed up as the convention center? Yes, I did.
I did. He took up like the whole middle of the main entryway, and I remember being like, what the crap is this asshole doing? And I saw him. I'm like, oh cool, you're the Javits.
That's fun. But that's like, I don't know if it's worth a subway ride dressed as the Javits. I just thought it was a cool idea. Big rough.
But I did see him. Yes. Did you make it out to any of the panels there? I know I had I go and I really wanted to go to the comic book, because they were having it.
Not in the convention center, but they were having it in the Hammerstein Ballroom, which I wanted to visit anyway. I was hoping that I could pull in a couple of my connections to get me there. I was so busy. I just by the time I noticed anything I wanted to do that was panel related, it was over.
It was over. So no, I did hang out with the compliment for a little while because they were set up at the booth that I was set up at. Right. Blue Juice Comics.
Super great guys. Check them out. They're really fun. Did they have hot sauce this year?
Was that only in years previous? The last year. They were debuting Wolflanding in his own comic. But it was nice to run into them again, and I'll be on.
You'll see me over there. They just got a new studio like us. So I'll be over there recording something with them hopefully the next week or so. Hopefully in the next like month or in the next let's say six months we'll have them come here and shoot something.
Feels like every con I go with you and hang out with I always run into Ming or someone and they're so nice those guys. Yeah, I think super cool. He actually we bumped into him in Emerald City along with Joel and we remembered that and he was like we should have done something that I know we completely freaking drop the ball on it. It was fun here too because it's like Stan Lee was in the little alcove over there and never did we think to say can we meet Stan?
Can we poke around? No, we did not do that. Yeah, I think it's a great show. I love going.
If you have like plans, if you have a place to stay and if you have time and money to burn, I definitely recommend it. I like it. I like that show more than I like the idea of San Diego because it's such a mess and a nightmare. Trying to get a room out there.
It's a crazy mess and the fact that I don't have to do that and I can drive in is freaking amazing. And they jack up their prices too. Hotels and airlines went in and around that because they know they got people over a pork barrel and they know they're going to have to pay it if they want it. They do it in New York too but you go and stay in Hoboken or any number of the five burrows and you just have to hop on a train and you're there.
Or you can just stay with me. It's funny. My first time when I went to New York there I totally had the image in my head of a Homer Simpson when he went to New York. I was like, oh no, I'm going to get chased by a pimp and a seagull is going to take my pizza.
I'm going to fall down an empty manhole. You said you were going to go to the Coney Island and you did not go. That's on my life. There was so many places.
I really would need to spend two weeks. I want to go to Coney. I want to go to Rockefeller Plaza. We could have easily taken you there.
That would have been a problem. You know what was super sick actually about New York TV there, like the public access channels and shit, like in the city. We're like playing really awesome stand up comedy, like from the local comedy clubs and stuff. Oh, that's cool.
That's really good because I'm a big fan of like just for laughs and comedy at Club 54. And all these other like comedy institutions that got like TV deals and shit. And I'm like, man, this is where it's happening in the city and everything. Oh, yeah.
That was the comedy epicenter of the United States, definitely. It's where people go to make it. It's true. What's it called?
What else did we do? Because I don't want to go too far. But like, oh, I met Jerry Conway from the New York City. He was super nice.
He seems nice. He's like comics nice grandpa. Yeah, I got a picture with him and he signed my Superman Spider-Man book. Sweet.
But yeah, let's see. Did you ask about Renew Your Vows? I told him I loved Renew Your Vows. And he was like, yeah.
And he was like, I know you're not doing the book anymore. He's like, that's right. And it seemed to suggest that he wasn't like that maybe he didn't choose to leave or maybe that he didn't like writing it. I don't know.
But in one case or another, he was he seemed kind of like, yeah, too bad about that book. And I don't know. That's our breaker. I think Joey Hollis going to do a nice job of the book though.
Mr. Giggles from Super Chassis Joel, I live by Coney Island. What? That makes a lot of sense.
Mr. Giggles lives by Coney Island. That's too perfect actually. Yeah.
Let's see. We had a lot of awesome times. We did a bunch of times. We did a bunch of times, which is super great.
What did you eat in the city? Because I know when I went to New York, everything was delicious and there's food on corner. We had Korean BBQ, we had American Whiskey, we had... That American Whiskey place was kick-ass.
We had it again. We went to Mongeonaro's deli or hot sandwich. I don't know what it's called. But I really love Mongeonaro's.
I've been going there since 2006 and I will not stop going because it's fantastic. Yeah. It was just a great show. Just a really awesome time.
And of course, I also want to take a photo of Mongeonaro's. We had a signing at Blue Juice, which I promoted as much as humanly possible. We sold these terrific posters. Hopefully there's a lot of members in the population who have this in their homes at door offices.
Nice. We had a great time. We met a lot of amazing people. People gave us things, handmade objects.
We got these great little pins here. Their phone. Of the logo. We got books and so forth.
We got a lot of amazing things. We had most importantly, we had really, really awesome interactions with everybody. Overall. We just met like...
We met a lot of amazing things. We met really, really terrific people. That's nice. Which was super cool.
And the line was outrageous. I was like, wow, there are people here to see us. I can't imagine that. Blowing up.
Yeah. But it rocked. There's a lot of comic pop ground swell happening. I hope so.
That'd be very nice. We'll see where it goes next year. We also took a chance to be on the DC All Access channel. I saw that.
We played Beat the Doomsday Clock with a sort of DC trivia. Both Tiffany and I beat Kid Flash. Tiffany beat me in time. Yeah.
By the way, she beat me by a good long amount of time. It was mostly because she got a Batman category. That was fun. I saw that clip because people were sharing it around and stuff.
I'm like, oh, is this one of those situations where Jason pretends not to know? It's like, how about you random people like it from the crowd? We'll never make each other before. It was a little bit of that.
I mean, you know, he was like, you want to do this? I'm like, yeah, I do. This is not quite a booth sometime. I'm like, okay.
It's always like the Simpsons bit with the tonic there. Hey, wait a minute. They have a pre-existing relationship. Nice.
That was cool. The DC area is always amazing. They're smart. They have like a big wall of cool stuff.
They want you to see. They have their creators doing meetings and signings over on one side. They have their DC all access, like live stream stuff going on the other side. There's also a wall.
And so if you go over there, you can see, like if you go over there, there's a lot fewer people in one location. And so if you want to go meet up like we did last year or if you want to just bump into really cool people who like remember who know who, like, or if you want to have a good landmark, it's a terrific location. Nice. That was really cool.
I'm kicking myself even harder. I couldn't make it next year. Yes, you're in Jerusalem. Right?
No, it rocked me. That's a terrific time. And we also worked out a nice little sponsorship. If you watch this episode of Authorac, we met up with a great unboxer box group who make things themselves.
And I really like them. They, let me pull them up. They basically, they produce their own stuff. They have like amazing Nickelodeon blind box where it's just stuff they make.
They have a custom, like vinyl reptor. They make the doll that Angelica has. I don't remember what the hell she was called. Oh, the not Malibu Stacy.