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Because you couldn't use the other four stylists on your hand. That's the same deal. Anyway. No one knows what you're talking about.
Sorry. You should see me do the jobs. Michael Fassbender is a dream. Anyway.
So yeah, welcome to the Kompop panel officially. I'm Sal. And I'm Tiffany. And what we do is, you know, we do YouTube videos.
Most folks who come to YouTube panels want to know how to make their own YouTube videos or how our YouTube videos are made. So the bulk of this show will be Q&A, it'll be a discussion show where we talk to you guys and get your questions and try to answer them as best we can. Can't do much about anything. Yeah, and it can be about comics, but it's mostly going to be about the process of making YouTube.
Well, I really can't see that far ahead in the future. I can't see far in the future at all. Anyway, so yeah, let's see. I gave him a little rundown of what the shows we make.
Okay. And contextualize a little bit. Actually, I'd like to see a show of hands. Who here actually watches the channel?
Wow. That's very encouraging. Cool. If you guys are awesome.
Don't feel excluded. Welcome to the show. Hopefully by the end of it, you'll subscribe. You can do it on your phone right now.
We're in your pocket. We're reaching your pocket. That's where we all waiting for you. That's like you said it before.
It's always a little creepy. You know what? Jerry Seinfeld said it and damn it. I'm going to use it.
Okay. And you know what? He is a little creepy too. So I guess that doesn't really help him.
No. Whatever. He's also incredibly successful. Well, I'll take it.
Anyway, but yeah. So we did this show which started out as just a straight up discussion show where I explained comics. Did you know anything about them? Yeah, it used to be explaining comics to a living room full of people who didn't really know much about it or keeping up with popular comics.
I was reading indies at the time. So I was always hearing about what was going on in the world of Spider-Man from Sam, what was going on with Batman and all that. And then sometimes we had folk over here just launching something like that. Someone would pick up a book up there and be like, what is this?
What could this possibly have to do with anything? Yeah. And so I was launching the vlog history of that. You want to get into YouTube?
I've really been thinking about it. Yes. Literally in the kitchen. Ben Ethan.
Our other hosts. Yep. Picked up. Spawn.
Venom return. Who's on stage spawning? I know. I want to be spawning because that makes more sense of it.
Yeah, what could this sort of bizarre? Right. Picked up Venom returns and I'm like, and he's watching into it. I'm like, just stop everything you're doing.
And I were literally about to launch into playing some video games. And I'm like, stop. And I ran into the office and I grabbed our little tiny silly handi cam that we started on it. And I put up a little tripod and I put the handi cam on it.
Right in the kitchen. And I'm like, just go now. We'll quietly play games in the other room. And I'm like, just pretend like there's nothing there and just do this.
Yeah. Because this is your show. That's right. Yeah.
And you're fools to not be recording this. It's true. And we launched into it like we had been waiting for someone to hand us an opportunity for a show. They were like, oh, one of those shows.
We had the show name ready to go. It was back issues. Like I was like, oh, we'll call it back issues. Because like I hadn't seen any show online called back issues.
It lent itself to that because I'm talking about older books. And Ben wanted to call it Encyclopedia Nurtanica, which for the life of me, I don't understand. Which by the way, that came back. It did come back.
Because when we were trying to name our new kitten, one of the members of the population tweeted it and they were like, name it Encyclopedia Nurtanica. It's really clever. Good to die. But I'm not saying all that.
I'm not saying all that. I'm not going to yell that. And being like, what's her name? It's Encyclopedia Nurtanica?
It appears on Psychopaedian Nurtanica as worms. No. I'm not going to go through that. No one's going to sit through that.
Like, the YouTube going audience is fast paced and has no time. Everyone's got to be truncated. No one's going to say Encyclopedia Nurtanica by the time that happened by age three years. Yeah, meanwhile we have like hour long discussion.
Yeah. Yeah, it's never mind if I could have shown literally is an hour or more. Yeah. And I went from there.
And then it was just a question of like, let's make more shows. Let's make more. I like what they're doing. Let's do that here.
Yeah. So that's where the show started. That's it. No one asked that question.
But now you're welcome. Yeah, so I figure what we do is we're going to keep on loose. And we're going to just kind of like, tip questions. And take questions as they go.
There's a blue light special somewhere out there. Yes. Oh, good. We're missing it.
Yeah. One. He went to one over in a redo. We know small.
Yes. The wall has one. There's like a camera. Yeah.
Go to it right after the show. It's dying. It is dying. There are still blue light specials you can enjoy and appreciate there.
Yeah. No. We can go. We can do better.
Yeah. I don't know what's. Well, we can go to the dead toys. The rest of the sex door.
Nice. Sorry. It's a deep cut. Yeah.
Yeah. Well, that one's dead. That one. The one you're asking was like, we're going to be closing 10% off a week before that.
This stores like everything is 70% off. We're like, Oh, you haven't doing well for a long time. They were 10. Yeah.
Once they got the word that was like the first. They were like, Oh, thank God. Yeah. It's like the officer showed up to put the deer down there.
Thank you. Yeah. Yeah. We're not going to make it.
I don't care how hard you want us to go off into the forest. Yeah. Just shoot me. Thank you.
It's dark. Yeah. So we're going to see if you guys had any questions. Yeah.
Lutes. Anybody? That's right. And then if we don't get any questions, we'll talk about the channel and comics and stuff.
And things that we've read. Yes. No back. Sorry.
There is a little bit more obviously. I'm looking at the bottom of the alert. Welcome back. There's new issues of confidence coming out.
I think so. One of my questions. Have you had an idea that you were just already starting with an issue yourself? I think this idea was to be, I think it was never a business.
If you want to make your own books. Okay. All right. So we've experienced this in general, like Sal's put out a couple of books and I helped him along with the process.
Mostly because my expertise really isn't graphic design. So I was like, I know about printing. That's the part I can help you with. I love design and formatting.
But don't ask me to edit your work because literally my form of editing is just like, that looks like a comment should go there because that would look nice. It's not right. I'm not an English teacher. So I work that right now.
Yeah. No, but the overall cost is if you are doing the writing yourself great, you're free. Good for you. If you're doing the art yourself, also free.
Otherwise you're going to have to find an artist and you're going to pay a per page rate. Most artists have a per page rate unless they're kind of new to this and which they'll look and see what the current running thing is for their skill bracket. Because even though they're really that word is just something I'm using, there's really a skill bracket. How will you even working?
How good you are, what you've worked on beforehand. An artist will fit into one of these brackets and they'll know what's charged based on their peers. So I mean it can be kind of costly, but there are ways to get around certain things that if you're willing to cut out in certain areas. So I mean as you can tell, it's an exhaustive process.
It's very intensive. But it's rewarding. It is rewarding. We produce four or five different series ourselves, four or five different books ourselves.
And each one is a nice little monument to who we were at the time. And it's really cool to have it. Especially because if you love comics, we do, you want to hold something in your hand and look at it and be like, look, I have a super-made comic in my comic. This is something that really is special to me.
It's something that I didn't expect I wanted. But yeah, but it's hard and it's costly and you'll never make your money back. You could spend anywhere between six and ten thousand dollars for one issue and you'll never get your money back. But the fact is, I think about hobbies in general.
You spend money on hobbies. You're not selling that hobby most time. No, it's true. I want to build model trains.
You're not selling that train set. I must find somebody who's also into model trains, I guess. But even then, you're not going to do the work. Yeah, but exactly.
I don't want to cut out all that hobby stuff. Yeah, exactly. And then super-moving together. I don't want to drop it.
Yeah. I don't want to risk creativity happening. Right. Oh, what if I know?
Parents told me I was not special and I keep it that way. Oh my God. We take a dark on comic love. This is for people who know this.
Yeah, so making comics is hard. It's bankless. It's unre- but it is rewarding. Yeah.
And it's expensive. But I think it's worth it. Yeah. It depends on what you're doing and what your end game is.
Maybe your end game is just to get your foot in the door because every comic publisher will tell you that if you want to get into the industry, you know, I want to write comics. Well, good luck. But like they'll tell you, make your own comic. Yeah.
And then show me you can do that because what you're basically showing them, they don't even really necessarily care about the content of the comic. They want to know that you want to do it. You have the tenacity to go through this process. And that like a comic book writer is never just a writer unless they become one or they're brought in from another source like book publishing or movies and stuff.
But a comic book writer is also like an editor and is also a talent manager and is also, you know, like all these other different jobs. You didn't know what kind of fell under that purview. So they want to know that like you can edit and you can write and you can find an artist. You can work with an artist.
You can negotiate pay rates. You can, you know, how many panels belong on a page. You know how to format a page. You know how many, you know, and so you're showing them not only do I want to write comics but I'm serious about it.
I know how the industry now works. So that's really what they're looking for. When they say I want to see your comic. And even that is not a guarantee.
You know, so, but that's why Comicology Smith's really great. Not so chill for them, you know, but they are number one of the only digital games in town. And number two, like I like what they do. I don't know, but it's really nice.
But the comic sounds great and I'll do the guy to view for you. Yeah, but it's, you know, you're a good company if you follow that word. Yeah. I've got a question about back issues.
Obviously, it's going to be a challenge of comics. You know, it's not going to be challenging. It's going to be a challenge to try to figure out exactly what you're going to show about. Yes?
You constantly find yourself going back and reading stuff that you are available. Are you always looking for older stuff that you can pull into the show just a little bit of that? Yeah, the question is basically what goes into choosing book on back issues. And the reality is when we first started, it used to be just we used the format that started the show, which was, there's a book lying here.
That's the one we're doing. Over time, we found we got a lot of requests because there was a hungry audience out there that wanted to see our opinions on their favorite books. Or their least favorite books. So we had a lot of requests.
We continued to get them to this day. And while I want to honor all those requests, the trick is me knowing what happens in the book and me having a familiarity with the comic itself. And so when it comes to choosing a book, especially one that we're going to do on the show, I do need to reread it just because I want it to be as familiar as I can with it. We used to pick it up and I'd be like, oh yeah, I remember that.
It just happened. I forgot about that. Or I'd miss a key moment in the book and then I'd have to refer to it later and go, oh crap, right, that happened. As we all know, number one, the show ain't scripted.
Number two, we don't all remember those details as encyclopedically as we like to think we do. And so while I do appreciate the help, I'm going to say that we have an encyclopedia of novels. The fact is we read comics the same as you. And we remember the details as vividly or as not vividly as you do.
And so it helps, especially now, that the show is taken out of life and it's on and people really like watching it. And I keep trying to make it better. I definitely need to go back and look at Wolverine. When I try to do more than rereading it to be like, okay, I need to know that in this panel, on this page, this happens.
I like to know what went into making the book because I love creator interviews. I love getting the insights into why something exists and what went into the process of making the thing I like. So I love picking the brains of creators and finding out where everything that I like came from. I find that our audience, not just our audience, but comic book reading audiences in general on YouTube don't care.
But they do. The thing is, if there's an interview with Scott Snyder, it will do pretty well. But if there's a book or there's a video about the book that Scott Snyder wrote and what happened between the pages, that will do much better. Which I find to be a crime, but the reality is the people who favor those other stories, they want to know what happened in between the panels.
They just don't know it. So when we do backages, I like to be like, oh, did you know that Sam Keith really hates the Macs and he hates his success and he really doesn't want to do this book. I mean, it informs a lot of these pages here. I don't know why I pick a Macs.
Because you love it? I do. But I picked the least popular image comic from 25 years ago instead of just being like, oh did you know that Scott Snyder thought that the core vowels was developed as a pre- to be too pitch and he had to rework it. It was a secret cry.
Please want to do the Macs. For me, I know he has a way stronger memory for that kind of thing. If I'm just talking about it, I'm way better. You put me on that couch.
Also my brain's like, hi. No. Let's talk about anything else. I'm like, I definitely have to reread everything.
Sometimes I call Danielle on my way home from work and I use my commute. I'm literally going to tell you the story. I remember for Ghost Rider when we did that because I was like, there was so much that happened in that book. You did two Ghost Rider episodes.
You talked about the Danny Catch one. Wait, no. I did the other one. You were thinking about it.
Yes. Oops. But I remember calling her because there's so much in that book that I was just like, I need to tell you about this. So she was like, it's really familiar with Ghost Rider by the time we had filmed that backages because I have to be able to put this together.
We also were like, make sure to poke holes in my boat. Like, this doesn't make sense. I need to channel Ethan and Ben as best that you can. It would be more critical because you need to temper your steam.
Give me your most judgmental version of those of them. That was great. So I was like, ready to go and they were totally cool. They don't ask questions.
They're like, Ben wasn't even on. So that was all of them. But in terms of choosing them, oftentimes it's just something that sounds like, I think people are going to really dig this. I really want to hear what Ben was saying about this.
Lately, we've been trying to pay attention more to things that are coming out. We've got a schedule now. It's in a table. It's pretty sweet.
I never remember to look at it. I was like, when am I posting? He's like, did you look at the table? No.
We were in a YouTube channel network and we just switched over to another network a few months ago. Our channel manager was like, hey, you really need to start tying these things in with the movies. If Infinity War is coming out, if you're in a book with a word in the point, why do a Batman book at that point? I'm like, good point.
So we're trying to coincide with them. Just to see if there's a correlation. Just to see if it works, but also we're trying not to do the most obvious one either. So that happens.
And then everyone's a while there's just a book that comes out that we're like, I just really want to do this. And then a good example is when the Deadpool movie came out. Everybody. Not only we work with a lot of the same people that we know the same people that we're all in the same context form.
When Deadpool movie came out, you can bet your bottom dollar that the comic story was going to do a Deadpool book that week. So it was Rob from Comics Explained. So it was like, stop Nurd's Inc. I was like, how are we going to set ourselves apart from it?
And yet still be relevant. I could do Deadpool monkey business, but I don't know if that's going to be as well received, but I also don't want it to be or just Deadpool because they just learned about it from Rob. And then I got to factor in what everybody else is doing when you want to hit something that is striking while they aren't taught. So I did Deadpool Kill the Marvel Universe because I'm like, that's an eye-catching title.
And you don't need to know all this back story about Deadpool. You seem to know I think Deadpool's cool and funny. Like, well, now watch him kill Captain America. And that was our way of setting ourselves apart.
But also still jumping on some of his co-tails. And also, I had the chance to finally do Doom Patrol with the guys. And that worked out simply because it was like technically no forces coming out. This is really just an excuse.
I just want them to hear the story. And that was worth every moment of that episode. I thought to myself, this is a disaster. Every moment of filming that episode, I was like, there's nothing usable here.
We can't use any of this. And so I forgot it, which is like, it's fine. And it was. It felt like a hot mess.
But sometimes it's just an excuse because it's like, I think they're going to have fun. But we'll coordinate it. Like, right now we're like, okay, if a movie comes out, well the book that is in some way related to the movie come out, and if there's a comic book event coming out, we'll have a book, a episode come out that ties in with the comic book event, which is easier said than done. We had New Mutants, Demon Bear, ready to go.
And then the movie got pushed back a whole year. So we're like, oh, well, that's the end of that for now. But Milk Wars was like, oh, there's a Doom Patrol event happening. Let's do Doom Patrol.
I just wanted to do him. But see if it doesn't matter. Like, very few people read Milk Wars. I don't know.
Dark Knights Metal was ending. So like, oh, we should do a Scott Snyder Dark, like we should do a Scott Snyder Batman book when the book ends. We didn't work out that way, but it's coming out soon, so it'll be kind of like the same thing. I think no justice will come out around the same time that Scott Snyder book will come out.
So we're seeing if there's some correlation between the movies and comics. And I've noticed that, honestly, I've noticed that it's kind of equal. The movie going audience will watch back issues the same as a comic book going audience. And even if there's a big Daredevil event, we do a Daredevil book, you know, we still get a sizable bump.
You know, the event versus the movie. I've noticed that there isn't one over the other. Black Panther did well. I think better because we did it when the movie came out.
But yeah. Hope that answers your question. And more. Yes.
I know, of course, we need all the tough things that we're going to use on these back issues. We're going to be scratching during filming or editing costumes. It didn't work out. Yeah, the first time we did year one.
We were about 15, 20 minutes into the episode. I wasn't feeling it. It was me talking a lot. It wasn't a lot of interaction.
I didn't have my heart in it. I skipped. I missed a major point. Then I had to go back and read read.
And I was like, this sucks. Let's just go to Applebee's. I was close production. That was that.
And we shot a funny book. So I was like, let's just leave. I don't want to do this anymore. This sucks.
Yeah. And by the end of our, because that was bad, we had bottomless advertisers. So we ran our third or fourth. What was it?
It needs to be the right one. It's the art of show dip. I was like, okay, we're good again. And then I waited a year and we did it again.
But I also didn't want to be fresh in their minds because I really liked to throw then Ethan. Or Tiffany off their game. I'll go, okay, we're going to do this book. But it's really this one.
And they're like, what? You weren't ready for that one. Ha ha. I don't know.
That's just for me. But that was pretty much it. Like every other show has pretty much gone out. We're in our regardless.
We feel like how terrible we feel when we're making it. Like seriously, there have been episodes where I know you've been done shooting. And I'm like, that sucks. And I've been listening to it.
If I'm in the studio, I'm listening to them when we're shooting at our home. I would just be in the other room playing Overwatch usually. Very quietly. I had a mechanical keyboard.
You're peering. I'm editing. I'm like, really? I'm sorry.
I was more like that I couldn't believe I could hear your keyboard from 50, 80 feet away. But I'd be listening to it. It wasn't as bad as all that. It sounded really good.
And I'll edit it and be like, this was pretty funny. I could say this. But for the most part, we just kind of sold around with whatever we create. We're just like, you know what?
This is who we are. That's the thing about YouTube in general is you're failing in public. When you make a video, because I hate to quote him, but George Lucas used to say that films are never finished. They're only abandoned, which I hate because it's like, no, Star Wars is done.
Stop messing with it. But thankfully he can't anymore. But the point is with YouTube videos, that couldn't be more true. I know too many people who like when I want to start a YouTube channel, but I get into the editing process.
I get into the filming process. And I get so in my own head, I feel like I love a line or something up or I say something wrong or I don't like how I looked or I made weird face. We're supposed to be you being honest with your audience. And it's like, yeah, no, you have to just be happy with what you have and be like, I'll get it better next time.
Because YouTube's got really polished and new and Jimmy Fallon's on every other video. But the reality is, YouTube has started out and should always be you making videos. And you making videos is not going to look like the Tonight Show. It's going to look like you making videos.
It might get better, it might get a new camera, it might get a new editing program, it might look smoother. It might sound better, but it will do that over time. And you will build towards it as you develop your hobby slash career. And that's how it should be.
And that's why you look at your favorite YouTubers and you go back to their first ones and you're like, whoa, that was not good. And what made them your favorite YouTubers is the fact that they knew that but didn't stop. And so when we make a video, we're like, okay, that's as good as it's going to get today. We shot.
Sometimes it'll be like, oh, well, sometimes we'll have an idea and we'll work it out and go, that's not a good idea. We just won't do that. But we've had episodes of Back Issues, Off the Rack, and even in the letters page, really those two shows where the audio was really messed up and just went through with it anyway. We would have strapped it, but we're never going to get those reactions back.
And that's really what it comes down to when you're not doing a scripted show. It's just like, you can't capture that again. They had those reactions. And to ask them to do it again falsely just wouldn't be the next show.
So sometimes it's just like, this is going to suck, but we're putting it out anyway. We don't want to lose it. That makes me crazy. When I shoot back issues, that's why this guy's here.
This is their new audio guy and he works great. He's really pulling his weight around the office. But his earlier incarnation was still a nice and very expensive little device, but 40 minutes in a shooting, it'll turn off. And we'll do an episode that's an hour and a half.
And I'll go, I've lost almost half of the goddamn video. What I'm going to do now. That's why you have Back of Audio. That guy has the Back of Audio on it too.
But it's not great. But actually, there's the most recent episode of the letters page, which is our Duck Strabaganza. This guy, I lost the audio for this. I don't know where it is.
Because the one-man operation, it's me shooting at an audio mixing bar. It's just me pulling all the strings and operating all the fullies. But I lost the audio. I checked everywhere.
It was gone. But I had the back of audio. So I threw that into the Adobe One edition. And I just cleaned up the best I could and put it out.
And I was like, sorry about the audio gang. Because for whatever reason, there's always four or five people in the comments. They were like, hey, your audio is the worst I've ever heard. I've never heard worse audio in my entire life.
And then there's like 200 people who are like, well, the episode is great as always. And I'm like, dude, I don't know what rig you're listening to the show on. But I think you're overthinking. They're super heroes.
Yeah. But that's the comment that I internalized. I'm like, oh, the audio sucks in this one. But no one complains.
And I think it's because, well, I got ahead of it. I got ahead of it. I got ahead of it. Yeah, it would be the power of Darkwing Duck.
Darkwing Duck. Wow. I want to be like one of the Duck Duck. He's in the same universe.
Yeah. But kind of not. Like, yes. I know it's weird.
You know, he tried to say that like they're two different universes. I'm like, it's Launchpad and Quack. It's like, yeah, but that's the Launchpad and Quack. It's a Darkwing Duck universe.
No. No. They're in the same universe. Bruce McDuck and Magic of the Spell should be in Darkwing.
I don't want to turn this into duck issues or something. I'm going to go. Yeah, let's not do that. Anyway, moving on.
I hope that answers your question. Yes. And then you've ever truly scrapped where we've lost episodes of Letters page, which kills me because like, I'll never get that bad. And because like someone said that doesn't, like, we are honored and loved to open those things on camera.
And have that be lost? Yeah. That sucks. Yeah.
I'm trying to acknowledge it. I'm like, hey, we lost the video. I'm sorry. But we've lost them.
Yeah. Like, they got deleted by accident or they didn't, or they didn't, or they didn't, or they didn't, or they're the video corrupted or something. But like, yeah. And that is the problem too.
You never know, like, I'm like, hi, I messed up. Yeah. But I've never shot a show. No.
That's not true. Actually, I released it on the Patreon. As a reward. It was a show where it was called The First Three or something.
It was Tiffany and Daniel were going to watch comic book TV shows. Oh my god. And watch the first three episodes, and then judge it. They took it from shows.
I hated that show. I was such garbage. It was Arrow. It went Arrow from years on Netflix.
I was garbage. Oh, yeah. That was Hot Garbage on that show. Oh, yeah.
I liked it. I thought it was a fine show. I had to cut it. So I spent like four hours cutting the show that never ever saw.
I'm so sorry. But it was a good idea. But that's a show that no one's ever seen. Except for people on Patreon.
I guess also we had years and years. We were like, a long time ago, we did a bonus round. And it was on Super Mario Bros 2, because I'd never played it. And so that never came out.
It's just sitting on my hard drive. It just lived there. It just never came out. It was fine.
It was because bonus round was performing. And we were like, eh. And we were worried, too, because it hit us so happy. Heavy, something.
We were like, we didn't want to get hit. So we were just like, let me go. The audience was really leaning towards in the comics. And I was like, if we released this, Mario episode now, and they might turn.
What is this? I know, I totally agree. But I forgot about The First Three. Yeah.
I don't remember if it was called The First Three. It was a really good show, though. It was really fun. Well, there you go.
Anyway, maybe we'll come back. Every good idea will resurface if it's good enough. Or not. Or it'll stay buried forever.
Who knows? But join the patrons. Go watch that. Yes.
So how long has this been taken to cut most of the different shows? You have to have a bunch of different shows. Yeah. And if it's like a one man army, you have to excuse the dog.
Yes. You walk the old thing and you can't rewatch it. Yeah. Yeah.
It's rough. Oh, and it's not just rough for him, because sometimes he'll be editing something that I'm in. And the way he edits will go back. And you'll hear the same clip 10 times.
And I just hear myself saying something that I messed up 10 times. I'm like, you have to stop. I hate myself. Yeah.
And it's like, yeah, I know. I didn't say that right. Thanks. We're just trying to find the place to cut it.
But I'm just hearing it because it's our headphones. Yeah. So yeah. They're cycling.
I like the film I have is a sound. So I'll be playing something or doing something or whatever. It's just like it just gets in there. And I'm like, yep.
Or are you saying something over and over again? Yeah. Yeah. It's awesome.
It's hard. I took a public speaking class in college. And I was in every play in high school. And I was in every theater class in high school.
So by the time I got to public speaking class, I was like, I got this in the bag. No problem. But give us speech on this bullshit topic. And I go up there and I'm speaking in front of an audience that doesn't want to see me and doesn't want to hear what I have to say and doesn't care what I have to say.
And I don't mean what I say. And I completely choked. I just fell apart. And we had to tape it and watch it and then evaluate it.
And the worst part of it was watching the tape. And watching myself on camera and watching myself suck was one of the most frustrating things in my entire life. And but it was very, very rewarding. Because I had to do that.
Now I then said to myself, I will never do that again. And actually hurt me. Then my confidence. I was very introverted after that.
And I really didn't want to do some public speaking ever again. And it takes a lot to destroy any confidence you have, by the way. But editing and wanting to do a channel. I want to be a YouTube.
I want to do this YouTube thing. No one wanted to be the subject of my show. Nobody wanted to learn comics and then become the host of backage. When I was just there, I was like, we're just goofing around.
We're like, no. I'm like, we'll do this. And you'll be the star. And I'll put everything on you.
And I was like, if that's ever going to happen, I have to do it. So I did. I shoot it. And I hate it.
I do it like 1,000 times. 40 takes. No, it sucks. Then I have to go back, look at the editing, and watch all 40 takes.
Watch myself screw up 40 times. So that's fun. But it's like, going through that process, talking to me like, OK, now I've seen it all. And they'll never see it.
I'm cutting it all. And I'm going anyway. All right. So how long does it take you to cut back?
Oh, yeah. But the question, right. I was going back around. I was like, hang on.
We've got to take a long back. We're circling the wagon. But my point is, you have to watch yourself do that, and you'll learn a lot. But yeah, how long does it take?
Depends on the episode. I'm going to take an hour and pick two of them in 20 minutes now. Just to do the first edit. Just to shoot it.
Just to shoot it. Just to shoot it. Depending. If it's a shorter book, it's an hour.
Because now I've noticed, I'm like, oh, short book. 45 minutes. 45 minutes on the clock then. It's never that.
And that's an hour and a half. I'm like, did it not work again? Ben? He's like, oh shit.
Whoops. The timer's going on. When I edit, I got back issues in front of me. I'll just play.
And I usually play a super Mario run on my phone. Well, I'm just listening. And if I hear something really funny, then I'll look at it. And I'll go, OK, what do they say?
Oh, they even made a good reaction error. And then I'll edit by playing with the zoom ins of it or the close cuts or whatever and see if that's 5, 10, 20 minutes of that. And then I'll play the episode again. I'll go to the whole show.