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And I enjoyed today. Bye. Jason and Jason, welcome to the man. Yeah, thank you, man.
I'm so excited to be back. I was a little exchange is one of my favorite, if not, I think, you know what, it's my favorite. I'm gonna say right now. Next time.
It's my favorite comic show on the internet, man. So I'm happy to be back here. Well, you're one of my favorite, you know what, I'm gonna say it's my favorite guest we've ever had on the show. Uh, look at you.
Yeah, there we go. But Jason, listen, not only are you very knowledgeable in comics, but you also work on them yourself. You make them yourself. You have also produced a celebrated series, Jupyter Jet.
There's another installment coming. And I want you to just tell everybody all about it because I'm really hyped about it and I want them to go get it. As soon as I get it. Yeah.
Thank you, dude. Yes, I write and correct Jupyter Jet, which is a Ringo-nominated all-ages adventure comic published through Action Lab. With my wife, Ashley Victoria Robinson. And we're coming back with a sequel because the one thing that we've been asked about for the last two years has been, when is Jupyter Jet coming back?
When is Jupyter Jet coming back? Because you read Volume One, there was a heck of a huge cliffhanger which I will not spoil here. No. But it's called Jupyter Jet and the Forgotten Radio.
It's gonna be live on Kickstarter about now. Jupy live, you know there right now to JupyterJet.com. And basically now Jupyter Jet is 17 years old. In the first story, she was 16.
We age her up each year. And she's been keeping her city safe for about the last year. Her flying skills are unmatched. And the city loves her.
She's their favorite hero. But she's yearning to do a lot more. She wants to soar across the solar system. She wants to free the human race from the alien race called the Praetors or Nemesis.
And not even her little brother for Sidekick's discovery of a long forgotten radio can change her mind. She just yearns to do more, man. But then this mysterious black flyer shows up who also has a jet pack and it threatens her world. And she finds out that even though she's the best hero in Olympic Heights or city, she may not be the best hero in the solar system.
Oh, man. That's fine. So, yeah. She has to discover that it takes more than just putting the jet pack on your back to be a hero.
And we're going to expand her world. And we're very excited by this story. And we're rejoined by our amazing artist Ben Matsua. And our amazing colorist.
We have a new color in this book, Liz Kramer, who worked on Going to the Shapple. And then the wonderful best letter in comics, Taylor Estesito, who's joined us again. And we have a lot of great rewards over on our Kickstarter. And because we're doing it through Kickstarter because even though this book will be published through Action Lab, Independent Comics costs money.
And Independent Comics are all about love because any book that's not made through Marvel and DC, basically the writer or the artist has to create the living wage that all the other collaborators need to survive. Like, you know, Ben, our artist has to spend eight hours a day every single day drawing all five issues this book. He can't do any other jobs if he's working on this book. So we want to make sure that Ben can pay his rent.
And that's the reason why we go to Kickstarter. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Comics are expensive, man. Self-published and independent published comics are...
Don't get in the game if you're trying to make money. You're just doing a piece of love. They're true labors of love. And we want to continue.
We have so much fun on the first one. Everybody out there loved that. And we have a Ringo Award that nominated us for it. And we want to do five volumes.
So this will be volume two of the Jupyter Jett saga. But the idea that we want to take Jackie, our main character, Jupyter Jett, all the way to WinG's 21. And we have a lot of great awards over there. We have a lot of great perks because we're so much about educating about comics.
We love doing script reviews. So if you're out there listening to this, you're like, I want to make my own comic book, then you can have your comic book script or your screenplay. The first 20 pages of it read by some professionals including David Enbord who wrote IDW's Kanto. And the big one is we have Joseph Malose, who is the creator of Dark Matter.
He's an executive producer on Stargate SG1, Stargate Atlanta, Stargate Universe. So that's when you can get. And then we have a couple of your artists. We have Mitch Garrods from the upcoming Strange Adventures.
We're going to do a portfolio review for us. We have all kinds of stuff like that including cool stuff like a print from Nicholas Scott, a print from John Boy Myers. And then you can buy a cameo to be in Jupy Jett. But anyways, enough Jupy Jett over.
I love this comic book. I hope you guys love this comic book. It's an all-aid. We're trying to make the comic books that anybody can read.
The four-year-old and your 94-year-old grandma. They can both enjoy it. When I say all ages, it's not dumb. It's all ages in terms of fun.
So Jupy Jett and the Forgotten Radio is shooting on K20 right now. Jupy Jett Comic.com is down in the description. Go click on that link. It's all over my Twitter at Johnwin.
And I hope you come along. That's right. Yeah, definitely. Check the description because it's the first link you'll find.
And there's a lot more goodies down there too. Check that out. So Jason, number one, congratulations on working on this book because not only is it fun and great, but also it's an expression of who you are. It's a thing you can hold in your hands.
It's just a bad math board. Thank you. No problem. We're going to talk about a DC and what they're doing in the near future.
Something you can't hold in your hands. That's right. Something that's ethereal. Something that's attention.
It's over there. But we'll be here shortly. That's right. 5G is coming.
And no, we're not talking about the signal on your phone. Apparently, we're talking about- Not for everybody yet. That's right. We're talking about this initiative, this new period in DC that they've been teasing that cropped up a couple of times in books you wouldn't expect it.
Like it came up in doomsday clock, as a matter of fact. They think T's the 5G period. And what is 5G? What's that all about?
Well, if you're reading Cool, they've been talking about it since at least December. Apparently, no, all of it. Apparently, we have all of this information. We can either confirm or deny.
No. But we thought we'd go down the list of all the stuff that kind of teased and talked about what it means and whether or not that's a really exciting position for DC to be going in. These DCs made a lot of interesting decisions over the last couple of years. And I dig some of them.
I loved Rebirth. I think a lot of people were on board for Rebirth. And is solid. I kind of think Rebirth might be one of my favorite DC periods.
Yeah. I think you're right. Now, here's a question for you about Rebirth. Would it feel as exciting if New 52 didn't happen?
Oh. Because I think it's a reaction. Let's think about this. What if Rebirth was the thing that happened in 2011, not the New 52?
Okay. Let's just go into our mind box here. Let's think about what if they have rebooted all the titles back to one. I think you had to do that.
I think you had to reboot all the titles back to one. I think they know one will agree that was a bad idea. Yes. And I think digital comics was a great idea as well.
Day and day digital, which DC's spearheaded. I think it would have been. I think without the New 52, I think Rebirth would have had the same effect. Like I really do.
Because imagine like, you know, you're reading these comics in 2011 and 2011, Superman and Lois are married, but they don't have a son. And what if in the reboot they're like, no, they do. Oh, you know, it's true. Like what?
You know, like, because to me, that was the exciting thing about Superman. Oh, Superman has a kid, man. Yeah. That's like emblematic of the Rebirth era.
I mean, like people like the Tawakwali West being kind of like the representation of Rebirth. But I think John, I think John's Avatar of Rebirth. It's the Super Sun. I read.
Yes. It's the Super family, which by the way, CW, I know you're watching right now. You should call that show Superman family, not Superman and Lois. Don't know out there.
Please do that title. Superman family not only was that a book, but also Superman and Lois sounds too much like Lois and Clark, the New Adventures, Superman. It does. And you don't need to draw parallels to that.
Although I will say, I think Terry Hatcher best on screen Lois Lane. I'm an erica Durant's do you say her? But Terry Hatcher's strong. She's strong.
She's one of my favorites. She's just an attitude and wit, the haircut. It all worked. Do you think we need to be quote unquote darkness of the New 52 that really can make DC re-written impact?
Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I think Rebirth is funny because DC's kind of just been reacting, as opposed to making strong decisions. What are they doing?
Like, New 52 is a reaction to the comic book sales not doing well and them being like, let's make some money. Let's figure out how we can make DC relevant, put them back on the map, so to speak, despite the fact that everybody says this and I always say it, it's funny how I'm always proven wrong where I'm like, Batman's doing one woman. They're three of the five most popular superheroes of all time anywhere. They're the avatars that represent the superhero.
Why don't they sell? And it's like, yeah, New 52 is a great reaction that says, hey, that's a good question. Why not buy them right now and find out? Because here's a new direction and we're going to start at zero.
But at the same time, it's like, again, it's like a reaction to sales. And so, New 52 darkness and the other problems, of course, they cut away from themselves. No structure, no road map. You've got to have a road map.
You've got to have a plan. And then the real reason for the rebirth, not only was it a great reaction to New 52 being like, let's bring in some optimism, some excitement, some continuity, but it's also a plan. There was, I think, I think there was a plan in place for rebirth. Where the rebirth is going to go in this direction and then it's going to make a hard left into doomsday clock and then we're going to do this.
Now, the problem I think though with that is that, you know, doomsday clock. I mean, here's the thing. We knew right from the very beginning when they named doomsday clock. I love Gary Frank.
I think he's one of the best artists out there. He is not a monthly artist. I knew right at the gate from issue one, when I remember when I interviewed Jeff Johns at your comic time when they announced when they showed the first issue. Yeah, it was really cool.
Yeah, yeah. I knew right at the gate because I asked him. I was like, how far ahead is Gary? And he was like, Gary's drawn issue for it.
I was like, this book's going to be late. Like, this book's going to be so late. He needs to be on issue eight. Right.
That's fair. Well, at the same time, I'm like, man, when they announced doomsday clock, I'm like, so how long has this been written? It's had to have been written at least a year, right? And if it's a year, you know you're going to get Gary Frank on board because it's Jeff Johns is like one two punch.
Yeah. And also having now completed a mistake like you look at Gary Frank's art and you're like, thank God, because I don't know anyone else would have really slammed onto this book the way he did. That's also the strength of the music clock. I think.
Oh, absolutely. Gary Frank's art. That's the best thing in that book. It's like 60 40 50 50.
Like it's not even it's not like one or the other. It's the art in that book is second to none. It's one of the best looking DC comics of the last several years. Oh, yeah.
Oh, yeah. But yeah, but I'm saying like you got a year at least of this plan. You have Gary draw that now and just pay him out of pocket. You're Jeff Johns.
You can afford it. It reminds me actually I was reading the only one solicit the book. No, it's done. Keep it down.
Yeah. What's the secret to not publish it? You've you've 11 or 10 issues of a 12 issue series that brings watching the universe and irrevocably changes the status quo, but further better and I'm not going to publish it. Well, then all you do is slap a black label sticker on it and you're ready to go.
The last thing I want to say because there's an aspect of idea I really want to talk about. I want to do the last thing I want to say about do the clock is is that do you remember that weird period when you had this weird period when do the clock first delay and they were talking to other writers. I think it was like right as Bendis was coming to DC. Yes.
And there were all these interviews and they were like, where will this lead? Where will this do anything? And they were even talking about where will this go? And their answer was, well, doomsday clock will eventually answer that.
Yes. And you're like, guys, we can't exist in this weird limbo. Right. Like we can't be.
You can't stand down the road and I know that they were like the back. Yeah. Yeah. Because I'll put this out there.
I have no information on this at all. I have no confirmation on this. It's just a feeling that I get from reading the books. Yes.
There is no way in heck that the Legion of Superheroes that we are currently seen in Legion of Superheroes was going to be the same Legion two years ago. No, because you can just look at how Jeff Johns was introducing like Saturn girl and things over here and things over here. Like so like I actually was surprised when I was reading the clock and I saw the Bendis Legion. I was like, whoa, this is not where you were going at all.
Like this is you were suggesting that these were the actual Legion and it will lost your time because it hadn't happened. But we saw Bendis Legion in there and that the Legion that we've been seeing since rebirth are remnants of an old timeline. Somehow. I've your time.
Yeah. I don't know. Yeah. No, it was just trying.
I think it was just trying to like mitigate the delays. And I think it's also just kind of like so like it's been as being Bendis man. If you're a superstar writer, if you're brought on board, you're not going to go like, Oh, hey, listen, don't do whatever you were going to do or whatever you want to do because so and so over here, we regard them as much as you. Right.
I mean, everyone on the crisis came about and Grant Morrison was like, please, whatever you do. I'm leading up to final crisis. Please, whatever you do. Don't use the new gods.
Just don't use the new gods. Yeah. And then what do they do like two or three months before the final crisis launch? Yeah, the new gods.
The new gods. Like, oh my God. And if they're really. That's so bad.
I mean, like, thankfully nobody cared, but at the same time, like, but what if it was a breakout success? They would be like, well, I guess, well, just because it wasn't like they're going to tell Grant Morrison knows they were just going to be this this contradictory. But if they're willing to screw over Grant Morrison, then no one is untouchable over there. So in terms of 5G, there's one.
There's one thing that I'm super excited about. Okay. And I want them to publish this in a giant book or a giant poster because when they announced this one thing, I was like, or when they, this is actually one of the few things they've announced. The timeline.
The timeline is essential. The DC timeline because I've been saying, it's funny. I even said this in the building where I worked at DC. I said this to mini people.
I even think I said it to the end of the year once or twice. I was like, this was in the new 52. This is pretty rebirth. And I said, I was like, we need a who's who in the DC universe.
Like, we need this. Like, as a common fan. Tells you where is the DC version of who's it? Okay.
That's it. I have some issues that like literally I remember being a kid being like, I wonder what the story is with so and so and what's, you know, what's his name? And I have a secret origin that literally is like, here's a four page rundown of who they are, where they were and what's going on. Yeah.
Because I like when you can see there's those videos out there where Dan is in front of a poster of some type. It looks like that's their timeline. And you can see the like little thumbnails for the captions or the events that I'm talking about. I want to publish that.
Let us see that because I think that's cool. I think it's something all of us have been asking for for a long time. But there's also a downside of that because the other rumor that is out there is that all of our main DC heroes are going to be aged up. We're sort of going to do a instead of a one year later, like DC did after a crisis.
We're going to do maybe a 10 years later or something. Like, so now Superman and Batman are going to be like 55. Right. They're going to be old men.
That's something I don't know. I don't know if I want a time jump. Like when I don't. What do you think about this?
It's funny because it's. It sounds like because I remember hearing a lot of like rumors but more like when you read Nifty to they're like clearly our bread butter are the main heroes and we got to make them young and relevant hip. Right. That's every big two publishers chasing.
They got to give them that armor. Yeah. Got to give them like puffy next next and like little piping and make them make them young make them relatable and you know we reset their timelines make them younger. Like marginalized sidekicks because they make them look older.
Right. And now it looks like they're embracing the actually Batman if we were just to assume that Dick Grayson is 25. Which I'm sure he's actually older but let's assume it's 25. My perfect Dick Grayson is 30 years old.
He has to be at least this. Oh, the Peter Parker. My brief argument for that is that I think Dick should spend more time with Batman than any of the Robbins. Right.
And for me, I think Dick is with Batman from like 10 to 20 or like 18. Like to me Dick spent a decade on it. No, no, no, no, no. That's the show.
Okay. So you think your dick is 25. Right. Well, at least 25.
He's got to be a man who can pay his own taxes. Right. Like so it's like, but Dick Grayson if he's 25 and that means that Bruce has got to be at least 40. Yes.
Yeah. It's funny. We should have you on for one of these. We did one of these on D.
Kiss or less on my podcast on Apple Podcast everybody. Got to do plugs. Right. Of course.
You can play about him. You got to do plugs. Yeah. A.P.
Watch Twitter. Watch Twitter. See, there you go. Plug it out there, baby.
Anyway, we did an episode called our it was our Batman chronological timeline. Oh, that's good. And we did this. It was a quest.
It was a quest by a fan. And it was actually it was a fun episode to do. But it was actually super hard. Right.
So the idea was track Batman's entire history in real time. Yeah. And our conclusion was, and it's funny because me and my co-hosts actually made Batman the exact same age. Yeah.
Okay. And our chronological timeline in current DCU time Batman's 45. Right. And we like and it's funny because I gave I gave Dick Grayson like 10 years being Robin.
Yeah. I think I started Bruce at 25. Okay. Like I was like, he has like year one is Bruce is 25 because there's a lot of stories out there were sometimes Bruce goes to the college.
Yeah. But also I was I was very like, well Batman needs like eight seven or eight years out in the world train. Yeah, exactly. No, he needs.
No, because when he it's not like Bruce comes back to Gotham goes to the goes to the alley gets stabbed by Hooker and then like and then leaves again and keeps training. He gets all the information he needs overseas. All one like kind of collegiate shot. And people also thought he was dead.
So he has to be gone for quite a bit of time. So, and I think I think we gave like Dick 10 years. I think we gave like Jason had one one year before he was dead. Yeah.
Jason Todd, he's a mistake. And then I think we gave Tim like five years. I give him five. I give him five.
And so yeah, so our in our age is I think he made like 90 was 30. Yeah. Jason Todd was like, I think 25. Okay.
And then we made Tim Drake. He had just turned 20. So like he was just because like I like idea that he's sort of in his teenage years but like he's inter he's adultish. Yes.
And then I think we made Damien's 13. So because that the other track is you have to figure out like when was Damien born. Yeah. And you know, and then his thing is complicated because like he's not really a kid.
He's not really he's not even technically a conventional birth. So the reality is like you can you can always that's the thing you could fung with. Well, they they put that in there to explain the timeline shenanigans. I'm fine with but to me, I'm like, no, he was like, I don't like this idea that Damien is sort of like in advanced genetic clone.
Right. I hate that I get to. But for me, like Michael, my eyes glaze over whenever you bring up Damien anyway because I'm like, David, I'm so you sir, forget him out of here. Oh, man, I love Damien just because of Graham Orton Batman and Robin around where you flipped it.
Happy Batman, angry Robin, but Damien's gonna be our Robin for the foreseeable future. So buckle up. Oh, I know. I'm in the minority.
Yeah. Cause you know, I'm in the minority. Yeah. Cause you know, I'm in the minority.
I'm in the minority. He's been around over 10 years now. But anyways, so let's just let's go with that. Let's say Batman is 45 40.
Right. So we're gonna, if you jump him to 55, then that means all the other characters are jumping 10 years, which would make Damien 25 or 24. Yeah. And it'd make degrees in his 40s.
Right. And then Superman, if you're like, let's say like, we quite, I think Batman's a little bit older than Superman. Yeah. So like either they were the same age, the only one you have to really measure is Lois's age, right?
The people that they love, the people that are with. Yeah. So this means Lois is now in her 50s. Yeah.
Yeah. It means, because you know, you track your appropriate age. Cause John would be now, well, I don't know with the whole age up thing they did. Cause now he's like 50, 17 now.
So he'd be 27. He'd be 27. He'd be basically what his dad is kind of now, what his dad is in your wallet. That's what I'm like.
Yeah, I don't know. Like, I will say the one thing I do like about this timeline that has been hinted out there. I like it and I hate it at the same time. Right.
Let's talk about the idea of Wonder Woman being the first superhero in the East Universe. Yeah. Now, cause they're going to take the movie organ, basically. They're going to say she was in World War One.
Yes. And then when World War Two came around, I guess they're going to say that she made the inspire the JSA and then she came back. Exactly. Cause I know that like they want to say they want to retcon in the JSA.
When the very least established JSA is a thing. It was a thing. It was a thing. It existed in World War Two.
And of course, Wonder Woman was a founding member of the JSA. So like, what is she going to do there? And it would actually be a great way of cleverly retconning out that she was a secretary and instead making her a founding member, it'd be actually really cool. She formed the JSA.
Yeah. And she's like, she's like a, like a steward of each super team as they go through pages. I like that. I like that.
I kind of like that. Right. Like the idea that like maybe like a retconning that like Wonder Woman found Batman and brought them together, which is, yes, which is an idea by the way that I've only seen recently and Superman, you're one from Frank freaking Miller. So a friend Miller could have that idea.
You know, it's, it's, that doesn't necessarily mean it's a bad one. Yeah. I mean, I'm not opposed to that idea. I kind of like that idea.
Yeah. I'm okay with that. Like, that's the one thing about this timeline that I think is pretty cool. Um, so I know you have a giant list of other stuff.
You want to give us some of the other stuff? Cause they talk about how like, what does 5G even mean? And it means that like, based on if you're connecting it to the DC timeline that is being written now that really, it's not a timeline of what's happened so far. Like, it's not like a timeline of now.
It's a timeline of what's been happening in all the generations or G's. So you got G one, which is 25 years, you know, like year one, we're going to establish with Krypton exploding and then we're going to go from there. And like each year has a seminal moment that also encompasses what has actually happened in like all of DC continuity. But you know, because it's the same people who did new 52 and rebirth and pre new 52, everything before that, that like they're going to muck with that too.
But like we got rock, we got the JSA, we got Donald Lance, Clark Kent, Alfred, all that stuff. Year 14 of G one, supposedly is Alfred Pennyworth is hired by the Wayne family. Like, wait, okay. Do you know, like, and they haven't said like what year.
So is your one of this timeline? Is that what we want? Okay. I honestly don't know.
You don't know that's fine. According to the bleeding cool article and I'll put a link in description for it. But like the bleeding cool article says Generation one don't have the heroic age 25 year time window year one Krypton explodes rocket clap crashes in smallville Wonder Woman debuts Steve Trevor lands on Themyscira. Okay, so that's year one.
Yes. All right, the Krypton thing is something that makes it interesting. Yeah, because there are there have been past Superman origins where Krypton explodes in 1938, the year that you're the Superman debut and it's the idea that like Clark took 50 years. Yeah, a wormhole, which I'm fine with.
I'm cool. I actually don't mind that. So, but then that means that they're making that was fine. They're making Wonder Woman a World War II superhero.
Yes, because they're saying that you're too Jake, Jake Eric, they do is a splash. Alan Scott Green Lantern. Okay, so yeah, we're making a World War II superhero. But man, that's making Alfred real hold to people born in like the 1940s.
I agree. Oh, this is your one Alfred was hired by the Wayans and you're 14 of Generation one. So Alfred's super old. Alfred's like grandfather dude.
Because then you're 16 Thomas and Martha die. So that means, so that means, okay, let's just say we're using 1938 as our time. Like, I was our loose year. Right.
That means 48 plus six. Oh man. That 1954 is when the Wayans are killed. That can't be because that means that Batman would be is eight in 1954.
That means that Batman is currently older than my mom. Right. No. So, okay.
The timeline falls apart. Now, that's the problem with not releasing the timeline ahead of time to allow for internet scrutiny to fix it. But that being said, this is always true. This is all speculations.
We really don't know. We don't know anything. We're literally something around in the dark everybody. I'm looking forward to reading your comments on this.
How wrong? No, actually. I won't. Oh, no, no, no.
I'll read them for. I'll take that sacrifice. But like, no, like, well, this DC timeline, man, you see, I think it's a great idea in theory, but you can't be putting dates on these timelines. Yeah.
Well, if I remember right to from the start that, you know, bleeding cool is speculating about them, they're saying the idea is that like Generation one is like the JSA, those people. And Generation two is like our main justice league, Superman, Batman, Hal Jordan, Barry Allen. And then Generation three is, from what I understand, the Teen Titans, like Dick Grayson and stuff with a smattering of the 90s here. So like Kyle Rayner is considered part of Generation three.
Yes. And so it's kind of hard. It's actually even more complicated than that because like Generation three, I think is the 90s and 90s and 1000s. It's like three because it's like they're saying that death in the family killing joke zero hour, the jail international is established, identity crisis, infinite crisis.
Teen Titans. Yes. Superboy dies. Wonder when kills Maxwell or Generation four is supposed to be the young justice people, right?
Am I right or wrong about that? Or no, this is according to this. It's a flashpoint was G four. Oh, wow.
Like well storm just like DC rebirth dart like metal, you're the villain. So it's all that like a new 50 is post flashpoints of a generation four. Yes, the generation four starts with flashpoint and then ends with now, I guess. Oh, so then Damien's appearance would technically be Generation three.
Yeah, I guess the generation three is fast. It is. It's blowing. Generation three started.
Crisis. Generation three starts with according to this, Justice League international. I don't even see Christ. Oh, no, Christ, I mean, it ends generation two.
Okay, that tracks. Okay. It needs to be like a. Yeah.
Yeah. And then so generation three goes from crisis. So, so spoilers, everybody out there. I mean, this is my personal opinion.
Generation three is my favorite period. These comics. Same here. Yeah.
Yeah. Keep giving in Jandy Matias is just like international killing joke, definitely family identity crisis. Zero hour man zero hour, but then here lies the problem. You grab your copy of zero hour, you go to the back of the last issue or issues hero.
You made a time that they have a timeline and that timeline has dates in it like when March counter arrives and what year is ruined it. It's already relevant. Yeah. That's a nature comics man.
Like, yeah, it also goes to the argument to of should all superhero comics just be continuity free. Right. Like, you know, so should Superman, the Superman title. If you see Batman, it's maybe not the same Batman as a Batman and who cares who cares.
Well, that's certainly what the movies are. You know, yeah, I think that we can't afford to live in all or nothing world where it's like it's either no continuity or all continuity. Like, I think if you're going to do serialized fiction with an interconnected universe, you have a course of books where that's happening. And it's, you know, it's worked a long time.
If you want to tell a story about Batman and Superman that doesn't happen to continuity, you slap an elsewhere, flable on it, you put it out the end. And if you, and if that sells well enough, that's another universe and you can tell those stories to the cows come home until people stop buying it the end. Well, let's let's think about this. We've stumbled upon an interesting debate here.
That's true. You're commenting here. Let's talk about this. Okay.
So, DC, we got to think about why is DC choosing to do this? And the reason why I think is because, like, in every interconnected universe, the continuity is becoming overwhelming. Yeah. And it's becoming overwhelming on both sides.
The fact that the creators are finding it to be overwhelming. Like, where they're like, how does this fit in and how old is everybody and who does this? Five Robbins or five years? They were bending over backwards before and now they don't even bother.
Yes. And then, but then on the other side, I think us as fans that are enjoying these DC comics were even being like, how does this fit in? Like, like, is there a crisis every month now? You know, there is.
So, so they're obviously the impetus for doing this is not wrong. No, like, like they're actually like, they are reacting to that issue from both sides. And you brought up an interesting conversation. Let's have this conversation.
Okay. Should DC comics should superhero comics? We can clue Marvel and this one. Because should it have an ongoing continuity?
Should the characters age in real time? Or do you do this forever Simpson thing? Yeah. Where like, they're always in the fourth grade because I will say like, so Marvel obviously does the Simpson thing.
Where Marvel is like, yeah, Captain America was unfrozen 10 years ago. It's fine. Tony Stark now got his heart ripped out or his heart changed in Afghanistan. It's fine.
It's convenient for the Marvel characters because like America has never had a decade where they weren't fighting a war. So yes, but it also makes it weird because now Captain America was unfrozen in 2009. Right. That's fine.
It's just that Captain America always won't work too. He's always, you know, but I will say in Marvel, I think it's, I don't know, man. I think they're getting to a point where modern comics are telling right now, especially the big two is all about these crazy events. The universe is collapsing in Indy every two seconds.
Yes, we are. Like we brought it back, sweet Jesus. And I thought we'd left it behind and now we're coming back to it. But anyways, and I think it's these events that I think in Marvel is doing events every in an event every month, even more so than DC, I think.
And it's creating this thing where you cannot do the Simpsons timeline anymore because you can't just say like, Oh, yeah, that was last week or that was two years ago because then it means that the universe ends every second. And DC is trying to do almost that same thing. We're like, Oh, no, Superman's forever 33. But he also has a 10 year old son and also has this and this and this.
Like DC's trying to play it in real time and not real time. So let me ask you right now. Let's let's say let's ignore all of competition. Right.
DC has published Superman since 1938. Yes. Should Superman have aged in real time? And so like, let's say he gets to the 1970s, he has a son in the 90s.
Let's say his son is Connor. Right. His son takes over in the 90s. And right now, Connor has a son and it's Jonathan.
Right. Is that the better way to go? Because remember, remember, and I know this is a very long question. I actually got everybody out there going crazy.
We have had a comic book. We've had a couple of times that have aged in real time, invincible. Right. And the one everybody forgets about how blazer John, John Constantine age was 50 at the end of the three energy.
So what do you think is the idea to keep resetting the continuity because that's what they're doing and it's becoming overwhelming? Or do you think it would have been more interesting if they aged Superman in real time and we're on the third Superman now? Superman now. Right.
I think that like, I think that there's no need. Marvel and DC publish what? Like a hundred books a month? That's a number I'm making up.
It's a crazy number. It's over 40, right? Which is I think 30 or 22 many per month. Literally, when you look at this list, nations are coming up per month, like every week.
There's 40 here from Marvel and 35 here from DC and five from a boom. And I'm like, wait, really? And there's probably another 50 more from all the independents. Yeah.
And then half that list from all the other guys. But at the same time, the fact is they're publishing so many books. There's room for every literally everything. And so I don't think I mean, like, if I'd grown up with a second generation Superman, obviously, I would have affinity for my second generation Superman.
So like, do we have affinity? Do you have anything for all of us? Right. I grew up in my black.
Exactly. So like, and that's the thing that they were trying to solve right when they brought back while I was in Reaper. You're welcome. And then Tom King's like, no, fuck you.
Oh, yeah. But but at the same time, like, you love your generation's character. It's why so many people from the 90s love Tim Drake about so many people who started reading comics and 52 were like, who the hell is that? Or why do you care?
Exactly. And why the 80s people love the great. Right. And it's like because there's history there.
And I think that you'd encounter the same problem you have now because continuity happens regardless of your intent. So you see how it's like, if you'd only have more continuity because it'd be, I mean, Marvel does this. You're talking about like Superman who like grows up and gets old and dies and has kids or whatever. But like, Marvel did that already.
Marvel's never rebooted. So for them, for them, like, it's just that the scale slide a little bit, you know, or a lot of it. But like Frank Castle should be in his 80s. I actually don't do that.
That's why I prefer that Punisher Max run because he started running as a six year old van. And I was like, yeah, that's exactly all the Punisher should be from Vietnam. Exactly. And the Punisher, you can no one is I mean, like, you could tell the Punisher story where he's 70.
I mean, because like, I know a lot of people, 70 people, 70 year old people and like, they're still pretty spry. Like, they could, they could take out a lot of people if they went crazy. And you can still tell that story with Punisher. You're not ruining everything with Punisher and hell Punisher is an inspirational character apparently.
So like, you can have multiple Punishers not saying that he's inspiring in a personal sense. People dig Punisher people dig Frank Castle in his message. So it's like, I look, there's a character out there for everybody, but you're inspired by Frank Castle, my friend. I urge you to seek counseling.
Right. What would Steve Rogers do? Not what Frank is up to. I'll tell you exactly.
But I'm saying, like, you could make more Punishers like there's other like Frank could be like the King pin of the Punisher for something. Well, you know, it's funny because, and again, you're you, Sal, this is why I love talking to you, you stumble upon all these more these more interesting conversations. Your point, I love your point where I agree that almost all these roles could be adapted to other people with the exception of, I think there are four that can't. That can't be replaced.
That cannot be replaced. I think to me, I think the four are Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, and I would say Spiderman. Yes. I think those are the four.
I think that like Miles Morales fans would disagree, but I think. Oh, fair point. Fair point. Yeah.
You see, here's the thing. I love Miles Morales. I think he finally crystallized thanks to the movie. Yeah.
Like too bad because I wish the comics had done it better. But Miles has not replaced Peter Parker at all. Like in terms of publicity, in terms of sales, in terms of popularity, like Peter Parker is Peter Parker, Miles Morales, Miles Morales, two different Spiderman. He's basically different character and he's just called the same thing.
And it's why it's worked. Like it's why no one's complaint. Like why is that not called Ghost Spider or some other horrible nickname that they've come up with? Yeah.
Ghost Spider is so bad. I hate that. Like, come on. Look, I didn't like, I understand why you don't want to call her Spider Glen, but she's not called that in the field.