Embracing Uncertainty & Radical Curiosity with Leo Babauta

Leo Babauta is the prolific writer of Zen Habits who is joining me from the distant island of Guam 7,400 miles away. Here are a few tasters for what to expect in this wide-ranging conversation:😨 How Zen Habits evolved into his mission to help others push into their uncertainty.👨‍🎓 How Leo unschooled and de-programmed his kids to facilitate their own natural state of curiosity.🚀 Leo's compelling case for why a fully-optimised life would actually suck and risks being the most controlled boring thing possible.💪 Developing and training 'radical curiosity' to dive inwards even when you don't like what you're seeing—how to hold the pose when you're entire body wants to shut down and run.🤼 What he's learned about learning and his no-holds-barred debate with Tim Ferriss on the idea of abandoning goals.🧘‍♂️ The incredible Zen Habits origin story – his path from being in debt, overweight, a smoker and feeling miserable to escaping debt, gaining a following of over a million readers, publishing books on habit-change, finding joy and even running an ultra-marathon!***📝 Read the Full Transcript here over on Medium❓Listener Question >> “How do you feel about the balance between achievement and appreciation?” Tag @jonnym1ller on Twitter or Instagram.***🙏 Join Leo's new Fearless Academy and support his mission.👨‍🎓 Learn more about his Sea Change Habit Academy🖋️ Join over 2 million readers of Leo's Zen Habits🐦 Find Leo on Twitter @Zen_Habits***🎵Musical CreditsThanks so much to the Heinali who generously provided the musical accompaniments.Connect + Explore More from Jonny🐦  Follow on Twitter/X @jonnym1ller🫁  Learn more about Nervous System Mastery🪷 Order our deck of Calm Cards (these make great gifts)📱  Check out Stateshift — our brand new iOS + Android app📝  Take the Nervous System Quotient (NSQ) Self-Assessment (totally free)💌 Sign up to The Inner Frontier Newsletter