And now the low post-podcast at 6-20 Eastern time we are about three and a half hours into the Damien Lillard Milwaukee Bucks era Holy smokes the three team trade between the Bucks the Suns and the Blazers and Bobby Marks and I on this very podcast Nye a few short days ago Spitballed about could the Bucks could the Bucks get in here could the Bucks actually do this and we say yeah Yeah, Drew holiday the one pick couple swaps like that doesn't seem like enough Is there really gonna be this like mega deal for Drew holidays sitting on the other end of this for the Blazers? Yeah, you know I said an idiot said I'd still think Miami It's probably gonna just inertia is the word inertia Miami Well inertia never really got the blazes in the heat back to the table I don't think we will talk about the heat and how big if at all a missed opportunity This was not only not getting Damien Lillard But if you were of the school of thought that all teams are starting to keep their powder dry for Giannis and maybe I'm beat And of course Miami is always one of those teams that's in those conversations They didn't really get too hard into Bradley Beale They didn't really get too hard to haven't really got too hard into James Harden cuz they're saving ships saving ships Well, this increases the chance from whatever it was yesterday to whatever it is today higher that Giannis will be a buck for a little bit longer They anticipated the last time Giannis put immense public pressure on the Milwaukee Bucks The last time Giannis's contract extension wasn't uncertainty the Milwaukee Bucks acquired Drew holiday from the New Orleans Pelicans in a midnight post midnight mega deal The next time today now that Giannis put pressure on the bucks that Giannis's contract extension wasn't uncertainty the unforgiving world of the NBA The Bucks flipped away drew holiday for Damien Lillard And this is before we talk about how exciting and interesting Lillard and Giannis together are the best player each of them has played with a ready-made pick and roll combination that accounts for potential Chris Middleton's stagnancy that Chris Middleton never becomes the high-volume pick and roll handler He was when it really mattered a couple years ago last year He couldn't quite get back to that that accounts for the Bucks late game offense pooping the bed time and time again against my every time They come across Miami in the playoffs including last year that gives the Bucks a reliable crunch time weapon all of that That hurts their defense a little bit, but a Giannis Brooklyn pez backbone should solve all problems many problems on the perimeter Let us take a moment to talk about you Holly outstanding tenure for the Bucks despite some playoff hiccups So one of those players like all like fans are always gonna love drew holiday I mean walking deservedly so because he was part of a title team He made two of the three or four most iconic plays in this era of Milwaukee Bucks and NBA basketball The steal from Devin Booker in game five of the finals with like 18 seconds left strip Milwaukee up by one Drew holiday sloughs off Chris ball in the left wing I can close my eyes and see it just rips the ball from poor Devin Booker Unsuspecting Devin Booker sand like Jerry Seinfeld taking the marble rye goes up the other way up one with 17 seconds up Just stop and get fouled by man No throws the most audacious lob pass in the history of the NBA tiannis for the end one all-oop all but clinching game five Effectively putting the bucks in the driver's seat for this year And then the next year in a series that you might be tempted to throw into the dust beneficiary because the Bucks lost it because the Bucks Didn't have Chris middleton because the Bucks without middleton probably weren't gonna win the title in one of the best wins of this era from Milwaukee they go into game they go into Boston in game five two two also up one also potential last possession drew holiday Swats the living hell out of Marcus Mart from behind throws the ball off of Marcus Mart seals an absolutely inspiring game five Milwaukee when they go out to lose after an absolutely inspiring game six Celtics road win I had you holidays second team all NBA on my ballot last year I thought he deserved way more all NBA buzz than he got this is a significant player that the Bucks are sending out never forget that in the Excitement around getting Damien Lillard a one-man top five offense The second most dangerous pick and roll long-range shooting ball handler ever made on planet earth behind only Steph Curry Drew holidays a real player, but Bobby as I finally welcome you in and stop yapping When we did that podcast the other day we were spitballing about maybe it wasn't you I don't remember anymore It was what it was what but it was what there was another thing we were talking about What could the Bucks get if they put the one first round pick they have available on the trade market along with grace and Alan Pat Conner we're talking about buddy here. That's what I hear about But I spitballed on a previous podcast other other players maybe they could go for Donavich in Detroit Ties Jones you wouldn't do the unprotected pick for these guys to be clear you protected and I got some feedback From fans and from around the league. Well, don't you realize?
Why would we throw that draft pick away now? When if we just wait out this season? This is still on our team still under contract. We could aggregate three picks we get all we exhaust a couple obligations We get a couple more picks to trade think of what we can get for that Here's the reality that those fans didn't understand and the Bucks clearly did they did not have this year to wait They did not have the luxury of time They did not have the luxury of falling short this year if they fell short this if they did nothing and fell short this year It was a disaster It was Def Con one it was the whole league lining up waiting for the trade request And I think the Bucks being mentally prepared emotionally prepared to grant the trade request They did not have time they did not have a luxury failure.
So here we are Danny and Willard We could quibble about whether he's the greatest play blazer of all time Bill Simmons put on his you know Old man yells a cloud hat and lectured everyone about Clyde Drexler and Bill Walton from my money Bill Undersold Damien Lillard in that conversation is a clear number three Yeah, he was never number two in MVP didn't win a ring like Bill Walton didn't get into the finals like Clyde Drexler did twice The dude has 19,000 something points as a blazer and some of the most iconic playoff shots in the history of the game And just propped up this team that was never that good around him always showed up gigantic Guts, let's say every single game and now that here is over and the blazers They don't just get through holiday. They don't just get the one unprotected 20-29 pick good on them forgetting a far-out pick too far out swaps From the Bucks also unprotected they get the Andre 8 and from the Phoenix Suns a player They've always liked and Tumani Kamara from the Suns who is a second round draft pick it is worth a flyer They will surely flip drew holiday for more draft equity of some kind And so they were able to spin this into oh, yeah, all you fake trade artists thought Miami was gonna offer us three firsts Yo, bitch hero. We're gonna to in here turn hero to at least one more first That's five firsts plus a young player whenever it's bad if you want to use we're gonna get if you count the swaps is first And we do even though we'll see we're gonna get five draft assets plus the Andre 8 and the number one pick in the draft Who took help to help the team didn't take it to the finals not long ago Phoenix adds depth and this year little and grace And Alan and Kian Johnson will talk about them later Bobby I always like to have you on because you know the league so well And you're always gonna alert me to some CBA wrinkle that I didn't remember in real time But I just want to start with you Emotionally as a as an observer of the league as a fan of the league you have all these teams and all these players involved here What's the most important thing to you? Well, the most important thing is where's drew holiday gonna wind up?
That's the most important thing and I said it on TV that right now Portland for me gets incomplete based on the unknown on where drew holiday can wind up and what team goes out and gives Two first round picks a nice young player multiple picks with the comfort level that Drew holiday is going to get a massive whether it be extension or a new contract And is going to be paid handsomely and the unlikelihood is that we don't see drew holiday as a free agent as much as the Dame Part going to Milwaukee and as much as Phoenix building out their bench or getting some depth I think there's another piece to this and we'll talk about it as far as whether it be a fourth team whether it be after the straight Is you know whether it be two months from now or a month though, you know whenever the aggregation rules can be lifted here What happens to drew holiday and is it in Miami? Is it in Philadelphia? Is it in one of these other Eastern Eastern Conference teams? That's probably that's my sense when I look at the Look at from from the perspective my other sense is that and it's it's funny We talked about and you were on with me yesterday on Tuesday when we did like we talked about holiday and it was complex, you know, Milwaukee and Portland why we they had to get a 13 of all then we did that Boston trade right and get eight and go to Phoenix and my wife said to me Did you get that right?
And I go no honey I said it's like playing the lottery and you get three out of the six numbers right and you go to Publix and you get eight dollars back You feel pretty good, but you weren't quite there yet And I think that's why we showed the complexities where this wasn't going to be a clean deal like this wasn't gonna be like a Four for two type deal and as we saw this has expanded with Phoenix and Milwaukee and Portland and I think it's gonna potentially it could get bigger Or and but there's going to be a part two to this with Holly. There might be a part three Well, maybe Grayson Allen here, but I just think Nobody's sticking around for the three people with I think big picture is that and we wrote the article Bontemps and I and Jamal Collier back Deontis and how drew holiday was the X factor Listen at the end of the day This gives him a massive insurance policy for Janis where holiday could have been a free agent or maybe there was a comfort level Not paying him big money and they were gonna have been stuck with nothing next offseason if he would have left Well, we'll get to drew holiday because I think I mean you could he's he's just such a He's a great two-way player who can shoot threes and handle the ball ideally I think it's a secondary ball handler that fits on any team I mean despite the fact that our last memory of him on the basketball court is Jimmy Butler beating the hell out of him talking trash Apparently Jimmy Butler went on Twitter or X or something and said some stuff today about tampering I don't really know. I don't know what inside info Jimmy's got leak it somewhere buddy I guess he did and you know, you make the interesting point about you know The double loss for a team like Miami of not getting game and also seeing the chances that John has hits the open market sooner And then later being decreased by some amount I mean, it's not like a fail safe now, but certainly this is if you're honest you're looking at this like all right I wanted my team to be all in Damien Lowe's the first team caliber first team on NBA caliber guard like he wasn't last year But I had him 13 because of all the miss games last year's maybe the best year of his career And yet drew holiday may end up on one of these teams in the East that feels a double loss today So they may get helped secondarily indirectly by the dominoes of the straight the tentacles tentacles Why do trades have tentacles they have tentacles that reach around the league? But I think to me you just got to start with the bucks and Damien Lillard being on the bucks Two of the top 75 players of all time according to that list that came out whenever on the same team the bucks sacrifice some real So some real depth with with Grayson Allen Going out the door a starter along with Drew two of their five starters I would project their starting five as of now Damien Lillard Chris Middleton Pat Connaton Yannas Brooke Lopez The wing stoppers gone the guy to throw in Jimmy Butler is gone I could say it either it doesn't matter because we didn't we counted we didn't have one for Jimmy Butler Be maybe honest is ready to assume more of that role even though he's gonna play the four a lot And then the bench is you know Kind of a whole bunch of will sees other than Bobby Portis and Jay Crowder didn't play much last year This is kind of a bet on Jay Crowder being able to play much more of a role including defending some of those wings and then the sort of mystery box of like Malik Beasley bow shamp some of the guys they drafted this year and You know, it's it's it's not risk-free in that regard But I think the nuclear effect this will have on their offense Having someone who can spread the floor and run the show like this when it really matters having someone to turn Chris Middleton into Less of a sort of like oh my god We need you to run every play down the stretch player and more of a mixed player and more of a catching shoe player Someone to shove Yannas back into more of a pick and roll screening role Which he was in huge volume when they won the title unless so last year with Brooke Lopez facing the floor I think what that will do in terms of spacing and just ease everything is just such a slog sometimes for this team When it's not in transition the half-court offense has always been their their weak spot I just think the catalytic effect of that is gonna be huge to the point that yes There's gonna be some questions on defense And depth to getting the honest at center, which is not a card They've really wanted to play but it's still handicard I have is a little harder as of now with the two wings out the door in exchange for a point guard those lineups There are fewer of them and they're smaller But if I've got Yannas and Brooke Lopez on the court I should have a pretty good defense And if I need to like I would like to have a third guy if you like I can really count on Bobby Porens is in a defensive guy But if I've got those two guys to first team all defense players if those guys are first team all defense players if there's this whole Broke low pension win defense player the earthy now I couldn't quite get there with Brooke But he's really good your defense should be good enough that the boost to your offense both in terms of efficiency Simplicity clarity is worth it to me and I think given The mess in Philly given that Damien Lord is not in Miami although they're not done given that Boston who could be a true holiday team too Is is trying to reimagine itself a little bit I think Milwaukee has turned itself in turned its season from This is going to be so pressurized every day as to be potentially uncomfortable to favorites in the Eastern Conference I think there's I agree with you and I think there's two other thing Terry starts there right in Milwaukee under age who had you know Damien for what nine years?
I think in Portland, so there's already a comfort level And I know whenever you have a rookie coach and agent Griffin and you have a star-studded lineup With Giannis and Damien and low and Chris Middleton and certainly Brooke and you got there's the expectation level I think this trade is kind of a little bit of a reverse effect. I think it's kind of like okay We can breathe now the the honest factor. We don't who knows you know I mean this helps the honest fact we get off to a slow start now I gotta figure out we need to trade your holiday at the deadline. What's gonna happen with Giannis next season I think the having Lillard's Adrian Griffin the right hire for sure Exactly now you have Lillard and as you know four years that he's left on his contract It's almost like for years in football analogy It's almost like you're acquiring that that running back who can run for 1500 yards during the season But you traded your best defensive plate you're locked down defender defensively You've traded a little bit But as you said defensively when you have Giannis and you have Brooke and you can figure out that you know the schemes that helps It's not like a lillard's going to a place where he's gonna be on an island by himself my questions and my concerns Would be certainly you've got point guard depth and a lack of point guard depth and you already had that with holiday on the roster Because you're pretty much deeper.
They got deeper a quick heart somehow Yeah, it'd be um because you really had you have two two way guys as your backups and then as far as what your bench Is gonna get you take a you take a starter from Allen you put Conantan in the lineup And now you're relying on you know certainly the J crowders the Malik Beasley's boat champs, you know a J green like Yeah, I mean this was a I mean this was a top heavy roster You had you had eight guys making between and you still do I mean 2.8 and 1.1 million dollars And you parlayed what you had left with your draft picks Into you know into lillard, you know Kevin Pelton pointed out his piece, you know It's an obvious takeaway, but it's still interesting to hear it said out loud or written out loud written just written Out loud and books on tape The bucks control none of their first-round picks in the allowable window through 2030 in which teams can trade first-round picks I don't know has there ever been a team that's been out all seven under no control of all seven of its picks Maybe well, I don't mean a bad memories for you, Bobby. Well Phoenix right now, right Phoenix right now. That's right. That's why they traded Yeah, swap rights for seconds in those creative deals You know they traded picks to New Orleans for Duhali and now they've traded the rest here And is it dangerous sure does it leave you as Kevin put it without a net if Yannas leaves To some degree sure I mean you still have a little or he's gonna be aging, but still but maybe you don't maybe leave Who knows like worst case nearly I'll leave What are you going to do just not not do it and have this and have this?
Potential likelihood whatever of this is Yannas is the whole thing as long as Yannas is in his prime or even just past his prime He's the whole thing He's the he's the whole franchise He's the only reason you're doing this and I just don't you know You're not you're not a free agent destination that can tear it to the studs and get two guys to come at the same time Whatever I get the downsides and Kevin by the way gave the trade to be plus He's not slamming the tray, but he's just pointing out that the risk and if there's always risk I just don't know what else you're supposed to do and there's only one pick and two swaps in this Independent deal to me. It's clearly worth it and it must do even with holiday Yeah, it's also drooling and it goes back I remember when David Griffin the pelicans president of basketball operations was in Cleveland when LeBron was there the second term And I remember him saying a quote saying like when you have like the Babe Ruth of basketball equivalent on your roster Like you do everything possible like you you know Whether it be draft picks or trading players and if they leave and there's nothing left in the kitty Then you know that's that's kind of where you are I mean you basically have thrown everything to walk He's 28. He's not 35 and he's a total known like I know is the Milwaukee box because I've seen it That I can be a 55 to 60 win team and win the championship with the right kind of pieces We already have around this guy well And it's funny too like I chuckled a little bit when the honest that I don't know what podcast it was But he said you know like you know like you know well committing a long-term But there'd be you know Milwaukee and like they've got you know wherever I go It's got to be you know committed to winning and stuff and I chuckled just because like here's a team That's one the most games in the last four years regular season games They've been in the luxury tax the last they're in the luxury tax of the fourth consecutive year John Horst their GM has gone out and got pita Tucker at deadline a baka that didn't turn out well Jay Crowder last year. So like the attempt is there like it's not like you know what you're the best player in the world You can figure it out yourself here like they've they've tried to add it to this roster whether it be in a grease-and-allen trade with With with Memphis here and now this is as I said like this is who they are like they're going to be their second apron team They're they're gonna get into next year where they're not gonna be able to buy draft picks They're not gonna have their exceptions like you know who they are you know is basically the forehead and monster of you know Of Lopez lillard connet a middle 10 in in Janus and it's not Bobby Portis So there's still some depth with your you know among your among your bigs And they've played I mean like you'd like to be more comfortable playing the honest Portis Lopez trio Having dealt away two perimeter players for one you'd like cuz those are three of your top six You'd like or three or top seven whenever you want to say you'd like to be a little more comfortable playing them all together They've done that before they did that in that bull series a couple years ago when they went ultra big Maybe we see more of that is just a way to get more of their best guys on the floor And look look you're already half in right there.
They're already half in with their picks out the door So what's your what's your half in? It's it's it and you have a player of Janus's stature 28 not much injury history Although this knee surgery in the offseason is a new thing But not not the kind of injury history that would make you fret at all You just kind of you just kind of do it to keep the train rolling As long as you can Hey sports fans the ESPN app has all of ESPN all in one place the ESPN app is your home to thousands of live events ESPN shows and originals across every ESPN network in service And now you can check if you already have ESPN unlimited as part of your TV package for no additional calls visit activate dot ESPN Gone to learn how to access your account or sign off then start screaming in the ESPN app It's all the ESPN all in one place sign up or activate now Let's talk about the Portland in Miami and maybe less so Toronto angles of this and then true holiday What do we know? I mean, Damian Lillard wanted to go to Miami. Yeah, stated it so plainly publicly and privately through his agent that the NBA warned his agent and other agents Don't do this And we talked about this Miami offer they could they could you know unprotect this pick They owe the thunder offer three picks and maybe Hakez and hero and maybe a flip hero to Brooklyn or Utah wherever like it's not a bad offer I called it the turkey Sam a dry turkey sandwich of offers like it's always useful have it's not the worst option to have around I'll eat a good midnight snack squeeze a little mustard on it, you know mayonnaise It's not a bad offer It's it's unclear to me if the heat Either because Portland just didn't want to engage with them or because the heat played it cool And thought we have the inside track here and they're definitely gonna come back to us if the heat ever really made that kind of Opera I actually don't think they did it again.
It's 645 right now It doesn't you don't digest every angle you don't do all the reporting of what happened and didn't happen even though You're doing something along the way in three and a half hours So I don't know exactly I can't sit here and pretend to know exactly what was offered in one and anybody doing that I think it's you know fudging it a bit, but I Don't think the heat made the best and final and I'm not sure what level of engagement there really was So what is your take on like did did they heat drop the ball here? Did Portland just not want to touch the ball What level of regret if any should Miami have you know We did a five on one of these five on five pieces with Dave McMahon and Tim Bentham's and they You know when the last question was like I don't know if it was regret or basically on a scale of one to ten Does Miami regret not doing I put like a two and I just I listen at the end of the day They there's a certain set of principles in Miami as far as What they're willing to give up, you know We kind of we all talked about hero and a third team and he Lowry and the draft picks and swap rights and stuff like that And I think if you're if you're you know one or two things here Like if you were Miami and you gave them the kitty right like if whether be Kelmar in in the obitch and yakis and hero and swap rights that's what that I've gotten that I don't I don't know I don't know from Portland's perspective if that would have still would have gotten it done And I think from Miami is there's always a sense There's always going to be that guy out there now. Here's the problem If that guy was Janis in Trent in Milwaukee trading for Damian Lillard keeps Janis now, who's that next guy? And as we opened it up like could their sense be like hey We're getting tea leaves that it could be you know drew how it could be available on the trademark So maybe what we were willing to give is now at less half to half the cost here And I think there's a feeling that their roster is still good enough without Damian Lillard on the roster Well, we'll know but we talked about it last week It was puzzling at how a team where one player wanted to go Lillard wanted to go to Miami and how they were such a disconnect From from both sides in that theoretical heat give everything offer which I don't think was ever offered I think personally like if I had to bet I don't think that was ever offered I don't know that they've talked like that the right decision makers have actually like had a conversation You know quite a while that that kitty as you put it leaves me as Miami with you know, Duncan Robinson They're the big three obviously of Dame Butler BAM.
Yep, Duncan Robinson Josh Richardson Thomas Bryant You know Kevin Love is back Justin Champagne Haywood high Smith. You said you had Lowry going out in this deal for salary purposes Yeah for salary purposes. Yep, and so I think the heat just said if you're asking for a hot guys who we think you contribute now You'll bet you we hope can contribute soon if not now based on how we played in Fiva Caleb Martin who was Our second best player in the NBA finals maybe or you know for straight or for parts of the playoffs the conference finals against Boston I should I miss focus when he really excelled finals not as much We're just too thin around the three guys we're too thin Is that right? I mean this is a team that has been very thin around the top three guys and found a way to make it work You know, sometimes you need an extra offseason to find your next Ray Allen or Mike Miller or whoever it is this time around And you can't blame the heat really for just thinking well, we're keeping all those guys We get healthy Tyler hero who we didn't have Got Josh Richardson who helped us probably will turn whatever magic the heat worked on in the first time They'll work again probably ends up being really good for them.
Who knows? Hey, we just made the finals this team just made the finals the year before we were a shot away from making the finals The year before that we didn't do so good the year before that we were in the finals again in the bubble Like why shouldn't they be confident in their ability to make the finals with this group or tonight? Not necessarily because I get deep play off from this group and keep their powder for you holiday or somebody else if Portland didn't want What they had and I think Portland maybe just didn't want what they had You know one GM put it to me like this usually in a trade There's one asset a team really wants from you to make it work the heat did not appear to have that asset I don't know what that is in this trade. Maybe it's the unprotected pick in 2029 or whatever I thought those heat unprotected picks out into the future with the team that would have been older built around damn and Jimmy We're gonna be pretty valuable.
We can agree to disagree on that. I guess You know you can understand the heat being like hey, we're good. We're good even though they almost lost in the play in tournament last year and You know, are they gonna be are they gonna be an injury depth whatever riddle team in the regular season again? Like it's hard to read exactly what the heat are gonna be going forward Because you can spin it either way you want to spin it like they're fine And they're probably are fine.
They're heat, but they have that big three that big three is damn near perfect together damn near perfect And I don't care if they never talked for two months I don't care if the heats best offer would have left them down to the studs and they wouldn't have done anyway You got to feel a little a little paying of oof today. Well, yeah I mean cuz certainly cuz you didn't want to get in the Bradley Beale I don't want to call it sweepstakes, but in the mix, right? You didn't want to do that because you could have if you wanted to very clearly they could have now lillard is not available And you can make the argument where the counter argument is from Miami's perspective. Well, we're giving up too much where we're our depth Well, you guys are the gold standards as far as figuring it out, right?
You're the gold standards as far as finding those untapped under the radar type guys to fill out your to fill out your roster here But on the other end you're also looking at it big picture wise as far as okay If it's not be all not lillard. There's going to we have enough to go out and still get somebody there Whether it be now whether it be the deadline whether it be next offseason Here's the paying over Grette even again, even if you think this is a perfectly reasonable decision We don't know that they even had a decision to make Portland may well have made this decision for them It's gotta be now Jimmy Butler just turned 34 two weeks ago. It's just like he's the best guy if your best guy is 34 It's gotta be now whether and now maybe the current roster is good enough But if you think you need an upgrade and the key I think could use an upgrade on offense Could use a third best player who's maybe a little better than Tyler hero The time to do it is now how do you the Toronto thing we went through already? How do we digest what happened here?
I think how we digested is that they stuck they're telling a deep-end and it was the water Was too cold. I think that's how we I think that's how we what does that mean? I'm trying to put my swing I think how the cost and the risk was just too high for them to pull the trigger on Something like this because at the end of the day It would have cost them probably OG, right? We'll take Barnes and let's say stack them out and then whatever you know whether it be great You dick and basically filler to get to that number and then your draft equity here is now You can't and OB more or less valuable as a trade target than true holiday.
That's a great question because if he's equivalent and he's younger They're both on expiring deals. He makes half as much. He's like 70 years younger. Whatever he is If he's equivalent then logic would tell you they'll offer would have been in an OB one unprotected first round pick and two unprotected swabs Maybe they don't value Toronto's picks the same because they don't see the same kind of downside Maybe was maybe they wanted more than that.
I don't know I just put the question to you is like is through holiday that much more valuable than OG and OB He put for win now teams in a year of parity and I think that's what the blazers are betting on what you holidays There's a lot of teams I think they win the title this year and that's gonna make for a frothy drew holiday market Maybe drew holiday as a proven guy had on my own be 18 last year versus OG and OB who's always like oh maybe this is Here maybe is that much more valuable well I mean it's it's interesting because when you wait as you when you as you mentioned that like you do that and the Eightened pieces now not involved right like so what it how does Portland and value the under eight and so now you think look I can get to crack maybe two cracks at the apple here I can get the under eight and and a first from a walkie and swaps and then turn drew holiday into something else where it's where it's It's OG. I'm gonna have to pay him because he's gonna let he'll turn down that extension He's free agent if he opts out next year What's the number thirty four thirty five forty million maybe for your to be your best player But probably the third best player on a good team if you look at it that way And that's what we're kind of stuck with where you're basically as you said like there's tentacles to these trades now Like there's different there's the tree is still growing where there's only one kind of branch if it was just Toronto Tentacles or branches Bobby pick one. No branches. I think that's you know, like poor like but others back in Toronto like Eventually like Toronto and I know it's just all about little bit eventually Toronto's gonna figure out what they're gonna do with this group Right like eventually like we talked about it.
He lost fret for nothing You turn Kyle into you know, Droggage and Precious a few years ago back. Oh, he's got a player option Pascal's gonna be a free agent You've got to like you got it. You're gonna have to figure out like as far as what direction they're going with this group I'm fine with Toronto demuring here. Um, you know, you got to ask yourself Whatever the price is OGN and OB and some amount of draft equity Maybe greaty dick maybe not OGN and OB and like all our draft equity and greaty dick and filler whatever it is Are we good enough today to win the title as presently constructed with dame at 33?
See I come at 29 Barnes at 21 or 22 whatever he is That's our three-tent bull guys and there have been teams 2016 calves come to mind With age distributions of your top three players like that with like an older guy a prime guy super young guy It's happened before the Raptors when they won the title had Kyle Lowry Kawai Leonard Pascal see outcome in that kind of order I don't I don't mind Toronto coming to and Toronto, you know has chips and they've always had chips and they didn't cash him in for All the guys that have come you know down the line all this disgruntled stars so far We don't know who the next disgruntled stars are gonna be and they looked at this one and said 33 Point guard how good is our team if we get him? What's the opportunity cost of all the picks going out the door? Yeah, we could get him at a cheaper price than some of these other star trades that have happened because there's a sort of Go-bear correction going on or go-bear deal type deal fatigue, but it's not the right time for us I think that's totally fine for the Raptors. No, I mean I mean it's it's totally mean the risk I mean I think the risk is that a year from now Damien Lillard is there by himself and see I'm from somewhere else and you're basically like Basically Portland again and with a player that's you're older and we're gonna figure out where to flip him to I mean That's that's a huge risk well that but that's that's still a risk right I mean that's that's what they end in obi and see outcome like are these just ticking time bombs like do we need Do they need to do something because one or both these guys could walk if we don't extend them or they don't want to be extended In an obi's case see outcome is extension eligible now right now today and they could give him an extension Yeah, I mean I think we're past guys gotta be careful He's relying on making all MBA that there's a super max waiting for I think I'd be awfully careful If that's you know the direction that you're kind of going and with OG he's only he can do four for one 17 And I'm told that that's something that he will not consider and he'll play out this year and then become an unrestricted free agent If he declines that option when he declines that option Let's talk about the eight and nirkage Phoenix angle of this because Phoenix is obviously all in to win right now in Traded it's starting center a guy who whether he liked it or not did quite well is the screen dive screen dive screen dive defend really well roll Defended yolkich for a playoff series is ancient history now I get it better than any of the guys around him passing spacing passing towards all that defended him pretty well He's gone and in his in his place is use of nirkage who in the last four seasons is played eight 37 56 and 52 games still is only I believe 29 years old and That's an interesting center swap to say the least for a team that really needs to win today yesterday I'd use if it's 29 and they also get in a steer little and grace an Allen and those won't be the headliners I think those two guys are big gets for them because although they did a great job filling out the minimum the wing on the minimum with your Bates D ops and you know, they got Eric Gordon on the middle That's a no brainer, but Joshua Koga.
You talk with an obby Damien Lee's back and on and on and on They did a great job with those contracts These guys are a great now. It's a proven guy like we know what he isn't what he isn't the guy can just fly out shoot He can play against playoff teams. You don't want to start them. Maybe against play off teams and they don't have to And to see her little injuries have really hurt his career He's got a chance to be pretty goddamn good as a supplementary 3 and D ish player He could switch across a lot of positions.
He's pretty strong the three looks like it was coming before injuries really summer You know last year those are those are good gets for this team What do you think though? I mean ultimately? We know Phoenix is gonna have a crazy offense those three guys are that good? They're going to have to have a passable defense and I said this last week eight and They needed eight and where I said at the time last week and I said if a reason whoever might replace eight and if they trade Them to be good enough defensively to hold this thing together at a level you can win four playoff series What do you think of that center swap?
Well, listen, I how I think of it is that you basically took a $32 million player and you broke it up into no offense I think can't Johnson you broke it up into three players with nurkage Alan and a little and it helps your depth and little is on a tremendous one of the best rookie contract extensions I've seen a long time and what happens to grace and Alan does he get flipped for something else like that's a great point both of them Are valuable trade ships, too? Yeah, and the thing the thing the and you know It's when I run our call you during a summer like how Phoenix has kind of looked ahead where these new rules are coming into play Like they still like if this was next year like they wouldn't be able to aggregate those contracts in a deal here now They can you know for up until you know, you know once the restrictions are lifted in a trade here So I think it's gonna be interesting especially with you know with Frank Vogel defensive-minded coach The buy-in from their kids certainly I think certainly you hit it right ahead the health the health point as far as the ability to stay on the core That's going to be the kind of you know if there's a risk involved It's that it's that of a player, you know, certainly who's got three or three years left on this contract But so did he and at the end of the day and the reality is that you know Phoenix felt that They could have held on to eight and maybe flipped him closer to the trade deadline But you're probably breaking up that contract again, but you do that in this deal here You know the same held true for eight. No though. He's been much more durable than you subnerk it The last three or four years at least.
I mean if nerk it gets hurt. I like drew you banks just fine I'm not sure I wanted to play in 30 minutes a game in a playoffs bull bull Not not there. She mentioned that he was an interesting flyer as a backup big He's a flyer and I don't mean a high flyer. I mean a flyer flyer The idea of Durant at center always sounds interesting It's it's rarely actually executed on the floor because it's just a lot.
It's a lot to ask him even though that team would score like a hundred and forty Possessions. I think eight and tenor catches a downgrade. I don't even think that's arguable I think nerk itches lost a quarter of a step in the last couple seasons defensively and Not quite as mobile as eight and not as good of a jump shooter as eight Although he dabbled in the three made 43 three's last year Which I think is more than he made in all this prior seasons than that But the and by the way, I watched I because I'm writing a little bit about eight next week I watched all of his pick and roll defensive possessions in the postseason and he was he was better than I remembered I remember him really backsliding defensively in the playoffs and kind of just losing Containment losing the balance up. I'm backtracking with my man in the pick and roll But I also got to contain the ball and there was some of that But a lot of that was a credit to just how good Jamal Murray and Nicole Yolka chart together He was a little better than I remembered he is never ever going to finish with force ever He's never going to get to the foul line.
He's going to catch the ball on offense stop pivot spin away from the basket and drive Everybody absolutely insane and I don't the more I thought about this Although I do think it's a downgrade and I do think it's a risk I think the sons are betting Nurgage is still a solid defensive player and when Portland has been competitive and you look at their on-off numbers with Nurgage both shots allowed at the rim Shooting percentage at the rim which was bad two years ago with Nurgage on the floor It's generally been good and their overall defensive rating with Nurgage on the floor has generally been quite good They're betting that guy's still here He is not going to want the ball as much as eight and it's not crave a bigger offensive role not Have and look the friction between a lot of the team is new and Frank Vogel bought in eight and the friction was obvious there were some playoff pick ups some playoff non-appearances that were there they just were there and And you know, he's just gonna buy into his role screen dive He's I think he's a better passer than eight and on the move eight and his is a very good standstill passer But when the game is in motion, I think Nurgage is a little better passer in the short roll He's a horrid finisher for a big man He's gonna miss a lot of layups if you thought he's but he's gonna try the layups which could lead to offense We're about he's not gonna stop and pivot and spin The more I think about it getting little and Alan I like this for Phoenix enough I think the downgrade is real and the risk is real but the risk was already built into this to some degree and the Eighten thing they have just been too far gone I don't mind it. I don't love it because the nurkage bet makes me nervous, but I like it enough with the wings coming with it Yeah, I think I think Kevin gave it a B. I want to say BP minus somewhere around there I just kind of kind of how I feel about it. You know, I think I think it's more about you have your three big with Doran Booker and in In Biel and now you're looking for a center to kind of play a certain role that you didn't think eaten could and as you said You added some depth in wings that you've tried to do and listen They did a nice job in the offseason based on what the limited budget that that they had Who is the next with apologies to James Harden?
And it really might be apologies to James Harden if the Clippers get involved here is the next obvious domino because unlike the Sixers who may have some hopes of Reuniting with James Harden. They also may have hopes of acquiring through holiday themselves The Blazers have no hopes of doing anything with your holiday butt training He's going to be traded. It's just a matter of when and I even think I even think like listen Trade's not done. It's a you know, it's agreed upon three teams I got I think there's a chance that this expands the four teams I think I think you know, but when we get to I don't know.
What is this Wednesday Thursday Friday? This is a lot easier to rope in a four team and get involved and do it that way And I think if you're Portland right now You're on a phone what teams whether it be the Clippers or Boston or or Philly or Miami or anything I honestly imagine imagine imagine now we're engaged to talk to Miami, you know like why not why not you hey It's separate you separate the Liller trade to what now it's on to true holiday here And I think it's a business man. It's just business. Yeah, so if you're if you're Portland I think the goal for you is to get is to when this deal gets done that Lillard is on another team that there's a Holiday holiday.
I mean holiday is on another team. I mean easy easy. Let's say I know So give me your give me your favorite you holiday teams. Well, I mean I think certainly Miami, right?
So now are we you know is Kyle Lowry? those two first How about we stop there? Why do I give anymore if I'm a yeah, I think I think I think I got a little more money there How about this about Kyle Lowry and a thank you to you Donis Haslam and a sign-in trade Give you a nice little five million dollar bonus. Did you retire?
I have a whole bunch of heat paraphernalia about his retirement. I don't think he said in his paperwork though You got to remember to send in the paperwork, but I think yeah, I mean I think that's it You know from Miami's perspective here. I mean yeah How is it 29 million drew is it what 36 36 yeah 110% of that I think is I think you're just like $3 million short You know Philly Philly is interesting. There's been rumors about how they in Philly as a free agent if he got the free agency here Does Philly go you know like that's more that's is out of three teamer because you know certainly not gonna train maxi for holiday That doesn't that doesn't make sense here.
Does that involve harden now? That you know, I think that's I think that's intriguing in itself Yeah, the whole Philly Clippers nexus can get reactivated here. I'm not sure what the direct trade with Philly is Like what I guess Portland can then flip hard and I don't know what exactly would be but that's that's possible Philly can only trade one first, right? Yeah, correct.
The Clippers can trade two and Obviously James Harden wants to go there like you holiday. He's on an expiring contract Unlike true holiday. There are no illusions True holiday. We have no illusions about like I want to dribble the ball a lot like a super duper amount is much And more is quite Leonard and he is there are fewer hard feelings upon true holidays departure than there seem to be Upon James Harden departures and fewer worries about well I mean you how he hasn't been awesome in the playoffs But you're just not gonna count on him to run the offense the way James Harden wants to really offense And there's this whole dynamic with Portland like the packages that weren't good enough for name And I think that was always the problem three in that three team trade with Clippers sixers blazers is are the blazers getting enough?
Even if maxi's involved are they getting enough stuff for Damian Lillard? Well, if you turn your nose up at that for day, maybe wouldn't for you how they say all three of those teams are good And you give me some more well, I mean, I think you know certainly Boston But you raised I mean you raised a good point on TV yesterday like I can you afford all these guys You know, can you afford or is it just a rental like it's holiday unlike unlike name who we were talking about on TV Like this is just one year. Let's go for it. Yeah, I mean that's that's a good way to look at it You know, so what do you look?
What's the deal there? I know what it does what does Malcolm brought with this Macon Brogan do anything free in Portland as a mentor type with this young group He's an uncle Brogan already a man advanced into mentor hood. I know he's 22 and a half million for the next two years good player Like Clippers wanted him could flip him somewhere probably. Yeah But what's but I'm still $14 million still you're still you're still like $12 million short I mean, that's I mean that's that that becomes the issue.
You've got all the draft equity Rob Williams is the missing salary there and quite a good player has good trade value The problem is Boston's already kind of thin It has an incredible top seven below that a bunch of question marks I'm I'm trading two of those top seven for one even even if he theoretically fits better Do I need another ball handler this badly now again? Like I that's not to set three centers so they would trade from a position of strength to a guard position I don't want to say weakness because Tatum and Brown can do guard stuff They will do guard stuff and if the blazer is just traded for DeAndre eight and do they want Robert Williams a third two? I mean, that's it's a complicated one it is and now I turn to the Clippers now Let's let's just look at them Portland and the Clippers you're like if you're the Clippers and you've been reluctant on basically kind of Trading multiple ones for harden and you're kind of just in that expiring route. Do you go in there thinking?
Terrence man salary filler you got all these expirings and now do you put those two ones in play for holiday? I think the two first More than man have been the division between the Sixers and the Clippers those two first if they're unprotected given the Clippers How all in they are on 30 something players right now in two holidays another 30 something player those two firsts are viewed around the league as really really Really valuable potential trade pieces, you know Even though the Clippers are now have established themselves as a place in Los Angeles with the new arena coming that can get Star players to come and sort of buffer themselves from the catastrophic downside you can have having all your picks out the door those Picks are still really valuable. I do think the Clippers want to do something I just don't know what the price is I do think there's a fear there that that the Conferences maybe not past us by but our best our best shot has passed our best our best window with this team has passed Still open but the widest window has passed. I just trade makes a lot of sense.
So yeah, I mean It's kind of a lot. I mean you can't imagine that you have three players up with player options for next year and three guys that are Extention eligible anyone else. Um, what do you got? Right.
I'm glad you asked a lot of people are nominating New Orleans Hmm, I get it. I guess such am I trading CJ McCall? I kind of have to trade CJ McCall and back to Portland in that deal because it's probably not gonna be Ingram So they're not gonna be Zion The other salaries I don't know if they can couple it all the way without training both their centers in Valentunis and Nance So CJ McCall and draft assets for drew holiday. It's interesting.
It's not not sure I see it But it's interesting. Yeah, is there a way to do it without CJ. Am I missing something? I mean, you could I'm always missing something Bobby.
So no, I mean you could wait until Herb Jones's trade restrictions If you can wait until January Valentunis herb Jones Filler draft picks. Yeah, I'll tune his Herb Jones Dyson Daniels draft asset. Yeah. Yep.
Herb Jones is good. Yeah, how it is better Then you get the Portland back court herb is only is already 25 years older than people here. Um, that's a good. That's a good one It's a good one A couple of teams I thought about I mean Toronto people have nominated just because they were around damn I don't know what the deal is for them.
I mean obviously they could use your holidays very good I'm a little less enthused about that at first blush. But Utah Whoa, not on my list make the case for me. Well, I mean, I'm just looking at it's kind of like point guard by committee Horton Tucker Chris Dunn Count Sexton, you know sitting on a bountiful draft picks here What makes sense? For them.
I mean, there's like Sexton Olinik got a couple just something else there and then draft picks Not bad. I don't I don't I don't I got to think more about Toronto. I'm still in digesting mode I'm Toronto's week. Can I give you a couple of Cinderella teams?
Yeah, that's good By the way, I try to hear the two teams. I tried I really tried hard with Sacramento Yeah, just because I love the idea I just love the fit there. Yeah hard to make a deal right now with Harrison Barnes not trade eligible till January, right? Yeah, December 30 December whatever and I just don't sense a great hunger in Sacramento to like shake it up after last season Atlanta, I wish hard to do hard to find a good deal.
It makes any sense having traded a lot of draft picks for Dejont De Murray I'd love to fit there though I'll tell you this if I'm the Knicks. I am really tempted. I am really really tempted. Yeah, I'm a walkie Just beefed up.
They're scary But I had this whole thing on TV last week of like why can't we wake up in May and with now? This was predamed in Milwaukee with the top of the east a little I don't see even Ricky like Boston's not Ricky They're just like a little different. I see how it works. I think the Knicks are really good.
I think the Knicks are good and deep and tough Not good enough high-end talent wise. I think to make like the finals right So why couldn't we wake up and like things break right there in the conference finals losing the conference finals? But still what a home run that would be for the Knicks They gotta be tempted Because their concern is like if we make one move we got all these picks They don't have like the blue blue chip young guy So if we if we put all of our stuff into one basket and one of those baskets The honest might not be a basket available to us anymore. Maybe we'll see Do we have enough stuff left to upgrade the team that was the Donovan Mitchell concern?
This is a basket. That's not quite as pricey like if I just go out there. All right RJ Barrett like like we got a lot We got a lot you know got Josh Hart and done to even Shenzo who kind of can do like the big guard in Josh Hart's case You know can slide to the floor has to slide to the floor. We love RJ our days developing I don't know if there's a way to do it without RJ Barrett.
You will be able to suss that out for me Couple couple of picks in like Can we get drew holiday jail in Brunson Julius Randall? We still have heart even Shenzo Grimes quickly maybe extension eligible and just like take a shot Take a shot with this team and still have enough left over that if somebody or someone becomes available by Trade in the next 18 months. We've still got enough left because we have all our picks all our swaps all these extra picks None of which are particularly sexy, but they're still picks. I would be real tempted if I were them Yeah, I mean you you've got Barrett.
You got that 48 contract. Yeah, I could get like 40 I just don't take like 48 plus Mitchell Robinson. No, whatever is like doing it for Portland. No, that doesn't That's not thrown in way more picks.
Yeah, I mean you can you know what? I be tempted though So I starting center to my starting center. I gotta start hard and shine then Tempted well you gotta be tempted you got 11 first round picks seven of your own four from other teams including that Dallas One, that's you know, that's got some pretty good value and you can trade up to seven so Barrett is Barrett into ones too much the Dallas first and something else take Barrett into one's mix I like I'm a little more if you're a Barrett doubter and maybe there are some of those in the next brain trust I don't really know I assume they all are Barrett believers. They paid Barrett He's good Two ones a lot because any you turn around and if you're Portland you say you know what we got RJ Barrett the Andre A in and Three ones and two pick swaps.
It's not bad I just don't know that the nicks have a roadmap there. That's for me I mean, what's the non- Barrett offer does it have to wait until D even Shenzo is trade eligible to for his $11 million salary to help? Yeah, I mean it's almost is it quickly plus for me a plus another it's that was the issue when when all the hard stuff came out And in late June early July and they had said to Nick's and it was like well How do you get to number right like how do you get to the number? You basically it's like Robinson or for me and quickly you know It's basically a piece milling like three out of those four guys there to do it.
I think I think There is some appetite there within the nicks. I mean Tom Tibidos are coach. They made the second round last year They've played Boston really well in the regular season for whatever that's worth Philly's it got some it's going through some stuff. I think there's an appetite there for some kind of short-term upgrade So long as it doesn't handicap their ability to make a big a big upgrade that this team has been leaning toward designing It's future toward for years now.
I'd be tempted the team that would be a lot of fun And they have an extra first-round pick and I believe they control all their first they have a bunch of seconds Indiana you throw drew holiday a veteran two-way wing who could shoot and play defense throw him into the starting lineup for Ben Matherin Like I can now turn into my super sub Tyreys Halberton drew holiday Bruce Brown obey top and miles Turner Can I get him for buddy healed Daniel Tice enough to first it's too first I mean I'm gonna have you gotta imagine Portland has a two first like floor here somewhere right like to it may not be too great first But too first of some kind is that too much of a fat my gut is the pay I think the paces will and are thinking about it My gut is that it'll just be like it's too much too soon. It's too much if it gets it too first It's too much if it's too much too soon and I love the idea though Yeah, I mean are you comfortable like if even if it's only rental I gotta be right? I mean I gotta be I mean we can talk up we can wink wink it and but then I'm gonna pay you to two years 90 million or Three years 110 whatever it is. Yeah, I think that team's not far away from being real interesting I to your point though rental and or big long-term contract are they really ready for that like Halberton's really good miles Turner's in his prime Are they really ready for that?
I just think it would be a lot of fun and all of a sudden they'd go from hey this team is kind of frisky Maybe they could get into the play and get the eight-seater the seven seat out of that Which I think is possible now to like well the steam is like steam is right behind Cleveland in the standings He seems neck and I think it's fun. I agree and I think you know they were they had that pick from Denver part of that The least favorable like just a morass of first Olympics It's like four different teams here, and then and then it protected you protect something out, you know top 14 protect is that enough for For Portland, I that that's kind of like one of those low risk and if you're leaving free agency leaves and free agency Do I have to I probably if I don't want to throw into it's got to be healed twice I need a little more salary. No, you're good cuz they're there seven and a half under the cap They're below their last team standing then I recycled my My my crazy fake trade fake challenge trade that fans of both teams were coiled in a horror from the cat for true holidays straight up That is well listen Tim Connolly has always loved you listen dating Denver, etc. Here's the deal with with them Minnesota is that It's almost like you're gonna days out of it again because you're you've got Mike Connolly in the last year of his contract You're great as I call it the wrecking ball of finances is coming right it's coming here comes and you're going to be stuck without a point guard next year Possibly and that's why they flip the angel also isn't an expiring for Connolly at two years left and Does that do what do you do if you're Portland now?
Do you take towns and flip him somewhere else? I don't think the towns like people pitched towns for Dame right as a damn trade I don't think there was ever any traction to that in either direction I think Portland had much interest in I mean towns is making 36 this year and then it jumps the super exciting to start you get to 49 54 57 60 something and then it goes off my screen to the right I don't know that Portland was in love with that is a return for Damian Lillard franchise legend and they may still not be in love with it now like am I ready to pay the cat plus eight in front court like 90 million dollars a year for the next three years or whatever it is Maybe not I just I mean look we all know Minnesota situation the situation they put themselves in with the gold bear trade They they have to cobble the four position out of Kyle Anderson and Jada McDaniel's Probably have to start Jada McDaniel's at the floor just smaller than they ideally like to play it's interesting I know it's just a fun challenge trade so Yeah, I mean that's that's the beauty of it because as you were going through this I mean it's not like we're stuck with one or two teams I mean there's a list of there's a list of teams here We haven't even mentioned Alice who only has I think one tradable first round pick right now Yeah, is just you know has a lot of just kind of miss not mysteries, but just like the wing is the wing pieces around Kyrie and Luca are you know is gonna be a lot of competition for a blank time there and a lot uncertain as a result I just don't know that they have quite enough. I honestly like I was just going through by way to be clear I have no intel on the Knicks. I have not heard from anyone on the Knicks today about what their plans are I've tried and failed as I was just going through the teams.
I just kind of I just kind of stopped at the Knicks Like I kind of love that idea. Do we have any parting thoughts here? Well, no I mean like I mean I think it goes back to what's new I mean what's New York is like you could be waiting for a while for another guy to come available I mean you're gonna wait another year for Donna Mitchell you can wait two years from beat maybe I mean that's kind of that's That's you know, that's kind of the reality of it It's just it's just and do it can they talk themselves into I've we've got enough left over if the guy wants to come here Down the line whoever that guy is to make it happen. Even though again, like I don't think they have the blue chip player On hand right now the blue chip young guy.
They're really dependent on the picks to make it happen Maybe they would maybe they would we just saw a guy who gave me a little want to go someplace in this team They're not sent them to that by the way No one it's totally fine Like this idea that they had to send it to Miami for the optics of it or whatever like that's not how it works And now the Miller's got to go make the best of it in Milwaukee. Let's end with Milwaukee as we've circled through this is there any Parting thoughts on the straight that we didn't hit we hit Phoenix we hit Milwaukee hit Toronto hit Miami hit Portland The Portland like I can see the Portland fans being like wait Go bare went for how much and Durant went for how much and we got one straight-up unprotected first-round pick for Damian Lillard, but like we It's a good morning There's apples and oranges across the board and 33 year old point guard the market was not quite poisoned But turned off by the Miami stuff the contract is what it is and it did get the Andre and they're gonna flip drew into stuff Like it's not it's not what you dreamed of it's not like a holy crap. They got that but it's it's It's palatable. I think No, I mean listen I mean that's why we when we started it.
It's it's it's the deal is not done I mean the deal's not done as far as because it's gonna turn into something else I just think from Milwaukee's you know just you know putting a bow tie on it and stuff like now my question is is that I know Yannes said it's a business decision like do you do you sign that extension before October 23rd? Because now you basically align yourself with Lillard and you have another year or you can you can keep that same theme Like I can get more money next year whether it be four for two thirty four versus three for 169 right now Middleton at the end of the day those act Chris Milton's gonna be the key to a lot of this You know where what Chris Middleton and I know that in the last couple years He's dealt with injuries and stuff like that But what Chris Middleton does Milwaukee have this season? He was he was good in a playoffs Scoring wise the sort of distributor stuff wasn't quite there the way that it had been the year They want it and now they have a distributor who gets the line a lot by the way He's get seven eight free throw times a game is driving passing game dams has gotten better as the years have gone on Fascinating deal across the board Bobby marks any other angles any cap angles? We miss well I just have one more I just one more is that you know We talked about Miami and the potential like like we were just we were spitballing like Kyle Larry So as part of the CBA if a player is waived and has a contract for more than that exceeds the non-tax Which is at 12 for he's off limits for teams over the a-print to sign right those by however?
That rule does not apply to the off-season So if you ever get in a situation, let's say like there is a deal in place and Larry goes Portland He gets bought out. He is free to sign with any team during the off-season or any team during the team at all as long as he was Waved during the off-season when does the off-season end October 23rd? Oh, we've got plenty off-season left Yeah, you started camp yet Bobby marks essential essential couldn't do it out you Thank you for lending us an hour in 13 minutes of your time to talk about the email lillard going to the Milwaukee Bucks We will have certainly more on this on calm about to go right other people are writing There's gonna be TV There's gonna be all sorts of stuff and we still have some more tentacles dominoes branches to fall spread whatever terminology like Bobby Mark's everybody. Thank you sir.
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