End of 2022 Reflections

In this short podcast [19:16 mins], I reflect on some of the themes from across the podcast discussions since Sept 2022 - themes around listening, leadership and stepping up to make a difference. I also conclude with a call to take some time now to reflect on and savour your 2022 and to think of your theme for 2023. Full transcript: [Also downloadable as pdf] 00:05 Welcome to changing academic life. I'm Geraldine Fitzpatrick. And this is a podcast series where academics and others share their stories, provide ideas and provoke discussions about what we can do it individually and collectively to change academic life for the better. 00:30 As 2022 draws to an end, I thought it would be useful just to step back and reflect on the different themes and the conversations we've heard in this series. So far. As I shared in the first short podcast in September 1, actually, this year, it's been a bit of a strange year, I think still trying to reconnect and get reestablished or to find new ways of being and working, and living and then in, in the ongoing situations that we're dealing with worldwide. So the podcast series only really started up again in September. And I think across the conversations that we've had, so far, there's some really interesting common themes around the power of good listening, the different ways of doing leadership and being leader, and how any of us can step up and be part of making a difference. 01:27 So we started off this series, listening to Oscar Trimboli, who's who's an expert on listening, and whose mission is to create 100 million deep listeners in the world. So he's not an academic, per se, but does draw on a lot of research based work to promote different ways of listening well. And just as a little sidebar, I was talking about this in a workshop, we're running around mentoring and mentioning about deep listening. And someone just had a little chuckle, because talking to a group of computer scientists, deep listening is DL, which is deep learning, you know, so that you can think of it as DL. But what I think Oscar really was good at just drawing attention to was the importance of just how we're present with people. And the importance of really listening deeply, so that we can also then ask great questions that aren't for our own understanding, but helping other people better understand and develop. And he also talked about or unpacked for us five different levels of listening. So different ways that we can really listen. 02:39 He also talked about us needing to communicate more in how we communicate. So for me, I think that thing of being really present with people and trying to listen well, and being more explicit in how we're communicating is a useful thing to pick up. And, and interestingly, that was something that Julie Kientz mentioned in her discussion as well about taking on a head of department role, where she talks about needing to be very explicit with people that she was working with, especially some of her students and that which hat she was wearing, or which hat they wanted her to wear an interaction. So I think that's a nice example of communicating how we communicate. 03:28 We also then, after Oscar heard from four different people, Julie Kientz, who stepped up and took on a head of department role, Darragh McCashin, who stepped up and was part of creating a COST network on how to promote better mental health amongst researchers. We had Stuart Reeves, who stepped up to become part of the University Senate as a way of trying to affect change in his local institution. And we had Aisling O'Kane who stepped up as a as an interim department head as well. And what I think is interesting about all of these people, you know, Aisling talks to talked about the fact that she wasn't, she always sort of associated these roles with the grey hairs, the lots of experience, and all of these people are relatively young, career wise. And yet all of them demonstrated that it is possible if we see something that needs to be done that we can step up and do it and we don't need to be senior. 04:44 So, you know, Darragh was talking about the, the stepping up and setting out sort of working with others on mental health initiatives as part of the cost network and touching upon issues of imposter. And for me the discussions of impostor wasn't just about the fact that it's dealing with impostor, which is perhaps a common experience that many of us share. But again, that that thread of the value of listening to each other, of sharing our own stories and hearing that we're not alone in dealing with these issues, and, and the power of that, and a lot of the interventions and events that they've held, we had Stuart who's talking about slow heart change working from the inside of institutions. And that the, you know, what must be frustrating at times, just because of how slow these institutions are to change. But if we want to see change, we've got to be part of it. And the way that he's learning to work within the bureaucratic structures of the University Senate to try to affect change, and to try to bring in the voices of other people that he works with. And so again, that theme of listening to what the other voices and concerns are, so that he could properly represent them. 06:17 And then Julie and Aisling, both taking on heads of department role, and dealing with the challenges of shifting from being appear to stepping into a different sort of role. And so there are a couple of interesting things, I think I heard across their discussions as well. And that is that there's no ideal way of doing leadership. You know, as we said, you don't have to be the grey experienced person, grey haired, experienced person. And what I liked about both of the ways that they navigated through their, their stepping into these roles was the way that they connected to what their own strengths were, and defining a modality of leadership that reflected who they were. So for Julie, that was really tapping into her strength around being a mentor and her love of mentoring, and how she could reinterpret that within a wider faculty context. And for Aisling, it was very much around how to bring forward those strengths that she brings into the research around engaging multiple voices and participatory design co design sort of processes, and how to bring similar participatory decision making to the faculty. 07:38 And it's interesting the both of them in different ways, talked about being reluctant sort of authority figures, and somehow having uneasy relationships to power because of the relative youth and having stepped from peer into leadership. And I think, both and in fact, all of them demonstrate really interesting examples of a way of exercising power that's around power with. And this goes back to some work of Mary Parker Follett, who studied organisations back in the 1940s, who first wrote about these notions of power over versus power with, and that's since been developed by lots of different authors to also include power to. So power over is often associated with the more grey had experienced, like it's the asymmetrical power relationships, it's very hierarchical command and control, the power to reflects that sense of the ability of the leader to have some influence. And this is an interesting concept. The power to because it can be it can play out in relation to power, I have the power to have power over. But it can also be, I have the power to help other people find their power. 09:03 And that points to more of the power with and that's how you that the ability of the leader to actively promote people to work together to act together and to empower them to be part of decision making. And I think all of them have talked about different ways of engaging with people that really illustrate specific examples of power with Julie talked about the importance of being open and communicative and doing it in a timely way. And, you know, and also recognising the power to because she also talked about in your recognising that when you're in a position of leadership, and you see something some situation or some that needs dealing with or some people come to you with some concerns you actually have power to do something about it. And Aisling similarly talked about, one of the motivations for her stepping into the department head role was seeing that there were changes that were needed because of the rapid recent growth of the department and the current challenges of the context that we're in. And recognising that there was something she could do about it and wanting to make a difference. 10:27 Now, we also saw different people talk about the different trade offs and costs of doing this. So there, I think it's worth pointing out that there are trade offs and costs in not doing anything, which is the status quo, or other people exercising power, taking things in directions that you may not want to see things go in. Some of the costs were around research time. And yeah, the amount of time to really sort of focus on that. They're also impacts on family life as well, in some ways. And again, they have different ways of navigating and negotiating this. 11:07 Some other themes that I think we've seen is around the permission, that to give ourselves not to be perfect, to learn, to be comfortable with being uncomfortable. As Julie said, The recognising that we're not always going to get it right, and asking for advice. And as Aisling so beautifully illustrated, also sort of recognising what could have been done differently or better, and acknowledging that. So I think