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EP 1202 - Can Murderers Trap The Souls Of Their Victims?

from Dead Rabbit Radio The Daily Paranormal Podcast · host Jason Carpenter

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It's someone who always looks cool. Running into Dead Ripirady or coming up right now, everyone get on your feet. And give it a floor. Daddy Bobbles whoo-hoo yeah, we yeah, haha jumping on in running on into dead radio command daddy Bobbles You're gonna be our captain or pilot this episode They posted their Spotify wrapped on their social media helping get the word out of you guys can't swear the show through the patreon You guys can't support the show through the merch store or anything like that financially I totally understand I do just helps for the word about dead radio do what daddy Bobbles did helps her the word about Dead River radio tell your friends tell your family tell everyone you know Dead River radio is your favorite paranormal show we got a ton of stuff to cover today.

So first off daddy Bobbles I'm gonna go ahead and toss you the Keys to the dead rabbit dirgable. We're gonna leave behind dead rabbit radio command fly us all the way out to California Nice leisurely ride in this dirgable this big old blimp the money blimp flying high above the country We're flying all the way out to San Jose, California It's October 12th 2023 daddy Bobbles go ahead and land the dead rabbit dirgable. We're gonna be walking around we see all these police officers Surrounding a car and this otherwise sleepy suburban neighborhood in San Jose and we got like the copies like taking the pictures Big flash bulb on it. I wonder if now they take if the cops just take pictures with their I Wonder if the cops even need to take pictures anymore I know they don't have big flash bulbs on their cameras that make those cool sound effects But you know like you always have the crime photographer who'd be out there and be like here you go boss photos fresh off the streets Look at all these dead people.

We better saw these murders. Yeah, thanks. Thanks. Thanks officer cameraman No, you got it boss if you need any more help.

I'll be in the dark room developing more gruesome photos Why'd you say gruesome weirdo? I wonder if nowadays they just pull out their cell phones and take pictures or you know It's all on body cam now. You don't really even need photos It's easier to look at a photo because you know like in movies and stuff when like the suspects in the interrogation room They're like look at these these are all your victims. They throw the photos on the table The guys like no, I don't want to see them.

I don't want to see when I done I mean somebody else done it doesn't have the same panache to be like this This is what you did and it's like 30 minutes of police footage and cops stopping for in and out He's like did it like a new password of the murders. I committed I mean it didn't come in the cops were walking around is primacy you see all these police officers looking at this car and I turn to you and I go we're not gonna get too close to the car We're not gonna press over warrants over my rest So we should probably hide in these bushes the police still haven't caught on to my brazen bank robbery scheme yet We're about to take a look at the case of a young woman named Aaron Valenti She's 33 years old and she's been missing for a couple days People go missing often. It's them leaving most missing cases are resolved very quickly Someone just left they didn't want to deal with the situation or they're trying to like run away from a really bad situation They usually come back But a lot of times police can go this is the type of person who would run away This is the type of person who would cut off all contact for a couple days. Maybe they're a drug user Maybe they're out doing something else Aaron Valenti, however Was a very well respected business woman.

She started a company called Tinker Ventures where they developed apps for other companies They're an app developer You can see tons of articles interviews with Aaron about business and business philosophy and all of this stuff Not someone who would just go off the grid for a while So when she went missing you would have thought that the cops Would have immediately taken the case. I mean there's a big difference between if I go missing and Bill Gates goes missing Which he made because I was Epstein Lister being released as we speak Well, I don't think I actually go missing but I was your PR guy bill that that'd be my advice to you people who profile anyways So what happens is let's I kind of got ahead of the story Aaron is a Utah based business woman She was visiting California for this three-day business seminar for business leaders That was in Orange County, California after that workshop is done This is all happening in October of 2023 She goes out to Orange County to attend this workshop after that's then she flies up to the Bay Area to hang out with a couple of her friends And once that's done, you know, she leaves She's leaving her friend's place. She drives away and she begins to post these very alarming statements on Facebook So her loved ones are getting these pings and they're just like what is that? Well, it's just like this weird rambling manic type writing.

It doesn't make sense. It's very out of character for Aaron she then begins calling her family members and They can tell something's wrong. They can tell that It's one of those things that she couldn't really put your finger on you could just tell that that something's off She's making these statements on Facebook And then I don't know if she called her family members or if they called her about talking to her on the phone They could tell something was wrong and it alarmed them so much that they ended up contacting the police in San Jose where she was at At the time But when the police called up Aaron she goes. Oh, I'm so sorry.

That was just joking with them Like I really apologize if I scared them. I was just like being goofy all the posts and the phone calls. Yeah, no, no I'm headed home. Don't worry about it guys Police are like, okay adults do weird things sometimes October 7, 2023 Aaron's plane lands in Utah She's not on the plane So at this point they do the family does report her as a missing person They go listen, we know she said she was just joking This is a pretty elaborate joke for anyone the whole I'm missing routine.

She's making these super alarming statements Now she's not on the plane. She was supposed to be home So the police do start looking for her at this point They do have a missing person, but it's a business woman You think maybe she might have got mugged or kidnapped or something like that, but you could also think well Maybe she just needed some time off and extra breaks. She definitely had the money to kind of go anywhere We're in a car and just kind of disappear in a city for a couple days. Well, October 12th She has found dead in a car in a residential neighborhood in san ose And I believe I don't know if it was a rental car because I know she had traveled down here She flown down her so I'm assuming it was a car she had rented But she was found dead in her car in san ose This story hasn't even started to get weird.

Like that's pretty basic stuff. Unfortunately, someone travels to another city. They don't make it back these phone calls and Messages she was posting on facebook. We don't have A lot of specifics except for this quote you will often see in news articles about her death This quote is repeated over and over again in all of these different articles.

This is the one thing we know for sure that she said She was telling people quote. It's all a game It's a thought experiment We're in the matrix So something this was completely out of her normal behavior Something freaked her out And she started to get into that mindset that we all live in a simulation. She's not alone There's a lot of people who believe in we live in a simulation. I personally know People who believe that People who actually believe that we're all in a computer simulation and none of them are manic They just go yeah, you know probably statistically we're probably in a simulation.

Oh, by the way, I think I'm paying my rent Hey, do you want to go to? Freshies this weekend. We'll go have a big old drink some coffee. It's like it doesn't freak them out It doesn't freak them out in any way shape or form They just believe that we're trapped in a simulation.

They're not then like I know kung fu and they're like crudgy chomp people The neck they just go this is my belief system. It doesn't cause them to go insane However, what would happen to you if all of a sudden you found that out? Imagine if you had no idea of anything I think this happens to a lot of people in conspiracy theories They go along their life. They hear nothing or maybe they just hear like a little tidbit here there And then one day they sit down and the youtube algorithm Shows and videos about how we live in simulation and it blows their mind.

They're 43 years old They never even thought that this was possible that this could be some sort of theory I think this happens to a lot of people that's why people love flat earth so much It's the same thing when you meet a new christian when you meet someone who's like in their early 20s or 30s who've just become a christian And that's all they want to talk about. That's all they can talk about I mean that's good, right? I got no problem with that But you know what I mean? It's the same thing with flight because all of a sudden for the first time they've heard all of this stuff And they feel like they've been given the keys to the truth Us were like oh flat earth.

I'm getting a line do monkeys don't exist. There's a lot of crazy stuff going on out there. Oh blow your mind bro You figure maybe in the course of this she's very short time period right because she flew out there at the beginning of october She goes a wall october 7th And really like remember she went to the business conference. She didn't seem to be acting weird.

She hung out with her friends She wasn't acting weird So in a very short time period maybe three or four days She goes from normal to freaking out her family members saying we live in a matrix. You don't understand this is all a game So you go, maybe she had stumbled across this conspiracy theory. It would be really weird for it to take hold that quickly I think you know as conspiracy theorists ourselves. I mean, I can't really speak for you, but the Scary answer would be she's at this business meeting.

She's a tech savvy person. Maybe she's meeting other tech savvy people The more powerful and connected you get you do start to learn things That are hidden from everybody else that that is true That doesn't mean that the person telling you that's 100 correct But you may bump into someone who you really respect and they're like, hey, no I gotta be honest with you like what's the point where I'll just live in a simulation and they could lay it out like that and who knows if she came across Because I don't personally believe we live in a simulation, but I'm not gonna say I know that a thousand percent Maybe she did discover some hidden truth hidden from all of us that we live in a simulation. Maybe it was no longer just a theory But she discovered it as a fact and that would drive him nuts that would absolutely I think that is hv Lovecraft level horror To know I mean like it'd be the same thing if I learned it for 100 fact that aliens were demons that would chill me to the bone It would absolutely terrify me because then I'm like I know demons are bad and these aliens you know, I was up in the air and know they were good or bad but The government's been working with them like they have to start like you know what I mean Like imagine if you found that out as a hundred percent fact Or if you found out for a hundred percent fact, there is no life after death zero there's not even a chance of it That could be proven to me I'm gonna show me to the bone. I don't think any of those though would make me manic I think finding out there's no life after death would make me depressed.

It wouldn't make me manic and that's how they were describing Aarony. So that's weird thing part one. That's not even the weirdest part of the story I know people personally believe in the simulation theory. I've watched videos on the simulation theory It's a pretty standard conspiracy theory at this point.

That's not the weird part The weird part is how Aaron died October 12th 2023 they found her dead in her car The coroner says it wasn't a homicide Wasn't a suicide It wasn't an accident There's only four causes of death that a coroner can write down homicide suicide Accident or natural causes and that is what the coroner put down Aaron died of natural causes following a quote acute manic episode But no one will explain what that means How do you have I can understand having a manic episode and killing yourself? I can understand having a manic episode and Running through the streets and getting hit by a car. That's an accident I could even understand a manic episode where you kill somebody else How do you have a manic episode an acute manic episode that kills you? I don't even think a manic episode can give you a heart attack But I would argue that that's what it would be ruled as And I should say to show how improv this show is I think some of you guys would think I write a script Just not the case I did look it up because I just popped up in my head because you have a heart attack from a manic episode if you are diagnosed With bipolar disorder And you have an acute manic episode you can't have a heart attack That is true There's no report showing that there's no articles or anything showing that she suffered from bipolar disorder.

I'm not saying that It's impossible For that to be the case But you even have a I don't put all that on the show Oh now it's giving you a manic episode that's really recent that's a really recent study back in 2022. They figured that out Even publications such as business insiders. So I'm not looking at like hardcore conspiracy websites They're saying it doesn't make sense how she died. It doesn't make sense So in that particular set of circumstances it is possible that she had a heart attack What I was going to say because we don't know that obviously that's her private health Information it is one of those stories that is weird Less where now it could have that could have been it Without knowing that probably should maybe I should write a script maybe I should figure that out Because I didn't know I was gonna go down the whole heart attack route Originally, I was gonna say it sounds weird that maybe she did find out something she learned something she wasn't supposed to and she started freaking out And telling people and she had to be silenced It's possible I'm thinking now that it's more likely that she silently suffered with an undiagnosed With undiagnosed bipolar disorder and then she had an acute manic episode that did kill her Which is creepier if you think about it and I know I've been doing this and I know I've said this before on the show But I think it's pretty weird to think that instead of the CIA tracking her down because she knows too much and killing her Like that's not saying that that should be celebrated or anything, but it's a lot creepier to think that you can get So worked up over something and then you just die And then it's all over It's funny because Because you know the thing is like I was thinking well, let's say that she did find out that we're on a simulation Like I said, I know people who believe we're in a simulation there's people all over the internet who believe in that how come they weren't killed But she was but now I'm thinking of this less as a conspiracy and more of just a sad story of how the human body can work against us sometimes It's just us it's just our soul in this body and we should be working in tandem to prolong our lives and to have healthy experiences while we're here but I think sometimes our body just Uh, craps out You know, sometimes our soul starts the process by just like sitting there all day long and you let your muscles kind of get atrophied And you just eat a bunch of McDonald's, you know, I mean, which I do love McDonald's I'm not gonna matter But you know what I mean?

Like that's your soul kind of letting you kind of become lethargic and not really doing what you should be doing or What you need to be doing And then I think you can kind of get the energy back and I think you can always bounce back from that Sometimes our soul folds our body back, but sometimes our body holds our soul back Where you could be totally fit you could be at the peak of health, but there's just something going wrong with your body It's interesting That it could that could just be this that this woman may have just had that Aaron may have just had bipolar disorder and got so worked up She had a heart attack in her car. That's just sad. That's not like a conspiracy at all I mean, you know, like now I've totally changed my time. You're like, oh, Jason This has been your most depressing week ever to my credit.

I did not expect this story Well, this story did have a young woman dying it and that's the pressing but I didn't expect it to be as depressing So let's try to head let's go ahead and try to put a spin on this if you do suffer from bipolar disorder You're at a higher risk for a heart attack So, you know, maybe you want to talk to your doctor about that? I mean, I don't know. I've never felt kind of bad because I was kind of spinning this conspiratorial story Maybe she did discover something that is a thing with the show, right? We've talked about this before the show we do deal with real people dying in families morning I even at the beginning I was like this whole bit of probably officers and taking the photographs of this young woman's dead in the car Um Yeah, I sometimes I sometimes I second guess stuff and maybe I should third or fourth guess it as well But maybe we can learn something from this we'll move away from the conspiratorial on this particular story She might have just had a horrible heart attack But nobody saw it coming not even her Which is in Tamukwint being depressing next week, but I have a bunch of like Funny cryptids in it teddy bears or something daddy bobbles.

I'm gonna go ahead and talk to the keys to the carpenter copter We are leaving behind San Jose Flying us all the way out to Illinois We're out in Illinois specifically we're headed to alagonquin Illinois And we're looking for square barn road Square barn road if you're familiar with the area between huntley road and alagonquin road there is square barn road It's about two miles stretch And it's interesting. I love having Specific locations for these stories because I'll look them up on google earth I'll kind of get a layoff for the place This is a super at least it appears on google earth A while not extremely well traveled road. It's definitely not in the middle of nowhere It's like right in between two major roads. There's a lot of places nearby.

There's actually a business on this road At least one I think two businesses. It's not super isolated. There's a park on one side There's other roads peeling off of it. It's not bfe But the story goes that if you drive down square barn road around midnight You'll see two kids Run out in front of your car They'll jump right in front of your car your headlights catch them clearly as they're sprinting across the road They're running as fast as they can from one side of the road to the other And right behind them You see two men and a woman Sprinting after these kids Two kids run across the road and they're gone If you try looking you won't see them In the darkness.

It's almost as if they vanished almost as if they were never there in the first place This is a old ghost story That says that one night a long time ago Two kids were running away from two men and a woman and the adults were planning on murdering these children And they eventually caught up to them and they butchered them butchered these kids And what you're seeing is a replay of those events these children trying to escape their murderers But they never do it's an interesting ghost story. You know, I looked it up. I thought Let's see if any of this is true So what I like to do with all of our ghost stories one of the things like about the shadowlands.net is where I found this one So it gives you enough information that you can find Or not right back up information on some of this stuff. So I looked into it I couldn't find any proof that any kids were murdered But again, what did the murder happen in the 1800s and it happened in the 1980s But as far as we can tell no kids have been murdered by three adults Not let me say this.

I'm sure that's happened unfortunately in the state of Illinois But in this particular area there is no police record or report of kids running away from Murderers down the road the cross-square bond road in the middle of this area nothing When you look into ghost accounts, they'll say no the murders happened The police just covered it up. They're very tight-lipped about it. The local government clamped down on the media They weren't allowed to report it so on and so forth and so on I won't say that that's impossible. The media does have a heavy thumb on it local media more than National media.

National media has the CIA, right? The CIA pushes in on it the US government overall pushes in on it which That's what I would do to it if I was the CIA I 100% would have someone in each major newspaper every single network I'm sure there's CIA people who work in Netflix and Hulu and Disney was Of course, they do I would do it too. So would you if you were in charge of those stuff, but local media It's far easier to control way easier to control. So, you know, I'm not gonna say that that's impossible however When I'm looking at these stories one thing I do is I would like to find something you're like Jason So you want to find proof of real kids being murdered?

No, not necessarily But you know what I mean as a paranormal researcher it does give you an idea to think like is this a ghost story that Guys tell their girlfriends because they want to drive down this road and scare them before you guys end up necking off on lovers lane There's a lot of ghost stories like that. Or is this actually a ghostly sighting? Would this be something that a local paranormal group should spend their time doing or is it a total waste of time as a total urban legend? Urban legends are fun.

I like telling them occasionally on the show but we like to look into that stuff And it really is the setup for that question is can murderers trap the souls of their victims? That's what we would be looking at in this story These listen, I've never been a killer. I've never been a serial killer or anything like that I don't know Jason gonna say something real dark Do with that copy I've never killed anybody But I would think if I was some sort of maniacal killer I don't know if I would have so much fun killing the person as I would have in hunting them down For me it would be the pursuit that would be the most exciting part. They standing on my my whole body bloods on my face like oh I've been there done that So if I was a killer and I wanted to relive The terror it would be the pursuit So the question is is it possible that these are the souls of these children trapped in this nightmarish world Where they are chased forever through the darkness By their murderers terrifying, but we don't even know if any kids died But it is a theory that I've had for a while because I come across stories like that and I come across stories like this This was actually the first story I came across that made me think of this The story about tell you I've referenced it probably the past 50 episodes of Dead Rabbit radio I've kept saying something similar to this and I was meaning to do the story Danny Bobbles is gonna fire up that carbon or copter once more rented out to Gainesville, Florida Specifically The University of Florida again if you're local Check it out Because this one okay This one is pretty crazy University of Florida there is a sports bar there called the social at Midtown again I was able to look all this stuff up on Google Earth next to it's an Italian gator pizza by the slice Pizza makes me hungry right?

You can get right to eat before we talk about this horrifying story Before it was the social at Midtown it was called Gator City Before that it was called the XS Dance Club before that it was called the Purple Porpoise It's always been this club this part of this hangout spot And it has always since the days of the Purple Porpoise had the story of a haunting At this nightclub Customers and staff have reported hearing voices feeling watched The TV turns on by itself the walk-in cooler which always has a pretty hefty latch on it would open by itself Phantom footsteps could be heard in areas where they knew there was no employees or customers And every so often you would see the operation of a young woman She was brunette in short five foot two Over time people begin to call her Nancy Nancy the ghost of this young woman who haunts the purple porpoise And then when it became XS she was still there when it became Gator City She was still there and apparently she's still there to this day The social at Midtown is what it's called now I found the story originally on the Shadowlands.net and their write-up basically said This is a college town and in the 60s a female student was brutally attacked and killed in the upstairs bathroom To this day her ghost and the violent ghost More likely an imprint of her killer haunt the cramped hallway in restroom She emits a feeling of hopelessness and fear while he is pure evil men are usually safe, but numerous females have been attacked So that way I had read that Shadowlands entry months ago And I think I've made references here and there about a soul of a murderer trapping the soul of a victim And I was referencing that Shadowlands.net entry And then I was like I really want to dig more into that purple porpoise story So I started going through it and I read side after side after side and they all kind of said the same thing There's a lot of writings about this ghost. It's a very popular ghost because it's a very popular hangout spot and it has been for decades It's right next to the University of Florida you have people coming there all the time you have countless people encountering this spirit Nancy You do also have people talk about a dark presence there not a visibly dark presence, but sometimes it doesn't feel like it's just A young girl's spirit there. They do sometimes talk about more of a negative energy in The sports bar as well That could go with the feeling watched type of thing, right? You just don't feel comfortable You also had accounts of a stool flying off the bar like they're putting all the stools up on the bar A stool flying off the bar into a wall So we go, okay So I mean that would probably be the evil presence there So do we have the story of a killer who has trapped the soul of his young victim?

Is this also another situation like that when you look at these articles They keep saying the same thing back in the 1960s a young woman who was murdered in an upstairs bathroom They call her Nancy And I read a lot of articles about this one We read a lot of articles about this story, which is funny because it's just a paragraph On Shadowlands.net. I've probably read maybe 10 different articles because what I wanted to know Is the origin story true Not every ghost has an origin story. I'd argue for most ghosts. We never know where they come from But when you're talking about something a theory that is it possible for a murderer soul to trap the soul Of his victim Was there a murder there in the first place and I reading all of these articles and they all say the same thing in the 1960s The woman was brutally murdered In the upstairs bathroom I'm doing all this research.

It's late at night. I'm getting ready to close up shop and getting ready to shut down all my tabs I'm saving I'm showing outs and I have one I have one Tab left to read There's a blog Written by a guy named William D. Kenneth This blog has one post All the news articles I read Tampa bay.com University of Florida's official news website Gainesville.com one blog post by William D. Kenneth October 3rd 1965 Katherine Oliveros A 19 year old college student is visiting the town of Gainesville with her boyfriend To hang out with her brother Now before this place was the purple porpoise It was called the college in that was the original name of the place and that's what it was called back in 1965 Katherine Oliveros and her boyfriend are going To the college in And they're gonna hang out with your brother.

They're gonna have a good weekend Katherine turns her boyfriend and say hey order some coaks order some coaks. We'll get something to drink I'll be right back. I have to go use the restroom William Kenneth found this newspaper article I'll put it in the show notes. It's absolutely unbelievable This was a real murder and it's going to terrify you Katherine goes upstairs to use the women's restroom.

She's sitting there in the stall The stall next to her is another woman sitting there. They're going to the bathroom And as Katherine is going to the bathroom her stall door opens up And a man is just standing there looking at her And she freaks out Catherine freaks out she there shouldn't be a man in here Definitely shouldn't be opening the stall door Katherine screaming and the man looks at her and then begins to stab her while she's sitting on the toilet Stabs are in the chest slashes her across the face And then he takes off running The woman in the next stall hears everything she doesn't see it But imagine you're just I mean if we hard enough to imagine being Catherine's place But being the person sitting next to her you're just sitting and all of a sudden you hear screaming Coming from the stall next to you and then you would see the blood hitting the bathroom floor She's bleeding profusely at this point and then you hear your heavy footsteps run out The boyfriend downstairs sitting there With two coaks one for him and one for his girlfriend who's upstairs using the bathroom all of a sudden you hear screaming And then he realizes that's your girlfriend screaming She's rushed to the hospital after his rush to the hospital while she is there She is able to give a description of her attacker. She saw him pretty briefly But she's able to give a description of her attacker. She dies two hours later on the operating table 11 days after that attack.

So what are we looking at? October 14th Milton Lawson Luke the 23 year old former employee of the college in Is arrested He said I don't know really what happened. I was just kind of walking around daydreaming Kind of like kind of just in a cloudy state of mind. I don't really know.

I just daydreaming And I just happened to walk into the women's restroom It doesn't explain why he stabbed her. He didn't really explain that psychiatrist Said that he had a hard time controlling his emotions He must have gotten scared or angry or something But he pulled his knife out and stabbed her the chest and slashed her across the face He got life in prison for this murder. He got life in prison for a second degree murder. Just crime of passion Not really thinking about it's not premeditated.

It's not entirely accidental secondary murder life in prison But he was paroled After serving only 20 years So we do have a young woman who was murdered there. Her name is not Nancy If William kin if like he actually took screenshots or had like archives saves of those newspaper articles about this case He had one blog post if he had not done that We would have never known these details. It would have just been like, uh-huh I think it's amazing that he did that And if you are in the Gainesville area spread the story You don't even have to talk about my podcast just get the word out because I find it very interesting very famous ghost story 99 of the resources out there do not know the origin of it. It is a real story of a woman named Catherine who was murdered while sitting on a toilet seat but Jason so we do now have the ghost of the purple porpoise And then the excess and all these other places that it's become Was the place haunted when it was the college in?

As far as I can tell no as far as I can tell There were no reported ghost sightings when it was the college in the ghost sightings Always start when it becomes the purple porpoise It's the same building the same layout the same second floor upstairs bathroom Which is now only for employees I think they might not even use it as a running restroom or it might be a poised room might be a storage room for all I know But all the early ghost reports mentioned the purple porpoise They'll say the murder took place when it was called the college in But we don't see ghost reports from the college in So why did it take so long for her ghost to manifest? Here's my theory This is what I'm thinking Milton arrested in 1965. Let's say the trial took place in 1966 He sentenced to 20 years. He gets out 1986 The purple porpoise opened in 1979 So that's when the name change took place and when you look at the stories of her haunting the establishment He talks about the purple porpoise my guess would be That her ghost began to haunt that place when Milton was let out of prison My guess is that The injustice because he just disappeared.

We don't know what happened to Milton after that Do you think a guy who would brutally murder a woman just using a public restroom? Do you think they would then go well it's time to just be an auto mechanic for the next 50 years and not do anything crazy? Or do you think they would continue to do crazy stuff? He's gone.

We don't know what happened to him Which could mean that he never committed another crime or it could just be that he was never caught But it's injustice to let this guy go anyway, so you have him getting released Minimum 1986. I'm wondering if that is when the ghostly activity started Purple porpoise would have been open for about five six years at that point We see these notation saying We have haunting to the purple porpoise. So did they start in the mid to late 80s that would match up to him getting out And i'm wondering in a way is it possible We looked at the story of the ghost of this young woman who seems quite friendly. She's not doing anything Bad.

She's not doing anything evil. I mean you do have this separate evil presence that has been noted there And i'm wondering if we don't have a situation where Milton has not trapped Catherine, but Catherine has trapped Milton I'm wondering if it is a situation where because she was Killed so brutally and her killer was released so unjustly If it's not his evil spirit lording over her fear And pain and sorrow at dying so young you have this evil murderer trapping her soul I wonder if it's the other way around because other than that shadowlands report There's no other report of Catherine Catherine's ghost acting scared She seems quite personable. She's just doing things ghost do appearing and turning on electronics opening doors She may be in a way fine with where she's at And she may have trapped the soul of Milton this angry spirit In a place full of vibrant emotions a nightclub a sports bar Place where young people come to party come to fall in love come to reunite come to just hang out with some friends And that's the place that Catherine probably would want to be But that's not the type of place that Milton will be even though he used to work there. He did quit He went and found another job, but i'm wondering if she has trapped him there I don't know it's an interesting story.

I will say this is one of these things that I love the most about this job I would have never uncovered any of this if I wasn't doing this podcast I probably wouldn't even be reading half of the things I read I definitely wouldn't be spending my saturday mornings going through every entry on the shadowlands.net To find the content and then to find this paragraph and then to spend an evening reading all of these news articles about this place i'll never go to And then finding that one piece right finding that one And that just as a true crime story is downright chilly It's pretty dark and depressing stuff sometimes sure but it's fascinating putting these pieces together It's definitely worth doing the work because every so often we come across something like this a ghost story That sounds like an urban legend that people tell each other to be passing it down through the years They've been passing it down through the years so much they don't remember the date And they don't remember her name It's just girl in the 60s was murdered But because one man because one man had a blog and saved their documentation We know her name Catherine Oliveris. We know the name of her murderer And i'm wondering if they are still trapped in this part together I would hope that she is the one who has trapped him there who doesn't let him leave She may be enjoying the nightlife as a part of her afterlife While milton is a evil dark spirit trap there unable to escape a prisoner of the prison he built for himself I originally went in thinking is it possible for murderers to eternally trap The souls of their victims But it turns out Sometimes it might be the other way around Deadraboradio.com is going to be your email address You can also go to sub at facebook.com slash deadraboradio tick talk is at deadraboradio Deadraboradio is the daily paranormal constersing true podcast you don't have to listen to it every day Congratulations until today Have a great week guys

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