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A bizarre mystery that seems to have been solved...or has it? And then we visit a house of a young boy who's just trying to have some fun, like all of us. All of us just want things to be pretty normal. However, this boy is growing up in a haunted house.
Today on the Reverie. Hey everyone welcome back to another show of the TED! We're having a great day on your host, David. Hope you guys are having a great day too.
Hope you guys are having a great day too. Hope you guys are having a great time doing what you're doing. We've got a lot of stuff to cover today so let's go ahead and jump. I'm like, Jason, what's wrong with you?
I can obviously tell you something's off. Something's off. Um, yeah we'll talk about that in a second. Maybe there's nothing.
I don't know. Maybe. But anyways, let's go ahead and give this party started everyone. Get on your hands and feet and give a big round of applause for...
Hello humanoids. Woo hoo, yeah weeeee! I'm gonna walk on in doing a little dance trying to cheer me up. I don't...not the process but I do like the dance.
Pretty cool dance. Hello humanoids, you're gonna be our captain or pilot this episode. If you guys can't support the show financially through the Patreon, I totally understand. I really do.
Just helps write the word about Debraveraideo. That helps out so much. Tell your friends, tell your family, tell everyone you know, Debraveraideo is your favorite paranormal show. Oh wow, that really played a cool song at the end of one of our episodes and I said it was from a band called Hello Humanoids.
You know, you just remember of it. It's called Escapeology. I'll put that song on the show notes. Maybe I'll play it again at the end of this episode because it was pretty cool.
It's a song by Escapeology called Alien Nation. This episode has nothing to do with aliens. Oh, so it's the last episode. I kind of built it around that I was like, oh, that's cool, an alien story.
I'm leaning into this song. Yeah, man, I'll give you the keys to the vehicle in one second. I'm just in a mood. It's weird.
You know, people go through this stuff. I'm not gonna spend too much time talking about it. Probably kind of boring. The other night it was laying in bed.
It was late at night. It's getting ready to go sleep and I was like, dude, what happens when I die? Not like going into another world. Just like rotting.
Just like rotting in my bed. I was thinking about who was gonna find me and what they were gonna say and what if they had this big party plan? They're like, whoa, the boys in works. Jason's dead.
There's like a big hoe down. Everyone's dancing. Each person has practiced the special dance move in the events of my death. Yeah, I was just like, what's the bad?
Now I think about death all the time. I think most people do, right? But today I got off work. This is pretty normal.
I get off work and I walk home. I eat bowl soup. I watch some YouTube. And I fall asleep in a chair.
Like an old man. I don't even have the energy to get up to go to bed. But if I sleep in the bed, I'll sleep, you know, until my alarm goes off. If I sleep in a chair, I'll only sleep till about an hour because that's when the pain of sleeping in a chair wakes me up.
And we have a, it's better than any alarm clock. I came home and I was eating soup and I was thinking, I don't know why I was, I watched people play Project Zomboy on YouTube. I watched this video. I was thinking, oh, you know, if I'm ever in a zombie apocalypse and I get bit or I'm just dying, right?
They can't do nothing for me. I was like, I hope they leave me on the roof and I could just sit up on the roof for a couple days and watch the sun rise and set, rise and set. I could be outdoors. Watch the sunrise and set counting the sunrise.
I'm a little boring. I mean, so funny because I thought about it. I was like, oh, yeah. And I'd be wondering if this is the last time I'm going to see the sunset and the moon comes up and the nice guys quiet except for the sound of a thousand roaming corpses trying to claw their way up to the roof where they can't because they're stupid zombies and then I die.
It's just very melancholy thoughts. It's very melancholy thought. Like, normally I'm like, oh, it was obvious. It's what I'm gonna do to, I never ever think about getting bit or getting in a position that I can't get out of it.
Like, yeah, I hope I'm on the roof. And what's funny is I don't like the outdoors. I like the feeling of fresh air on my skin, but that's about it. I can stick my arm out of car window every once in a while.
I'm good. Just very melancholy the past couple days. I don't like being melancholy. It's kind of a downer.
I didn't know it's kind of a downer. It's weird. Yeah. And then I took an app.
I was like, oh, the peaceful embrace of death. That'll be to sleep. And I woke up probably only maybe 20 minutes ago and I was like, I got recorded it. So I got to do my daily one guest while wearing all black now putting on my eyeliner.
Yeah, I'm just in a mood. But not necessarily a good mood. Not necessarily a bad mood. Just melancholy.
I like that word. Yeah, I'm just in a mood, I guess. But we got to do the show, right? I love doing the show and maybe I'll be in a better mood by the end of it.
Maybe this story of terrifying image tragedy. We'll put a smile on my face. Hello humanoids. Let's go ahead and get this party started.
I'm gonna talk about this vehicle though. This is a bonus to being melancholy because we're gonna have some fun stuff maybe. Hello humanoids. I'm gonna go ahead and toss you the keys to the Lupin Lamborghini.
Everyone climb it. There's only two seats. I just only two seats. Sorry, you got to hang off the roof.
Hello humanoids is in the driver's seat. Everyone climb on board of the Lupin Lamborghini fired this bad boy up. We're leaving behind dead radio command. Drive us all the way out to India.
Taken off dude in the Lupin Lamborghini. I look it up. I'm pretty sure that is a Japanese anime and I say rabbit in France. We're headed all the way out to India specifically we're headed to Vinche Haya.
That's in the Gujarat state of India. It's April 16th, 2023. That's the day that there are these two kids. They're 12 and 13 year old brother and sister.
I think it was a brother and sister walking home. They had just spent some time with their uncle who lived nearby because these kids parents you have him. Mughai Makawana. He's 38 and their mother.
Hands have been she's 35. They go hey kids how would you like to spend some time with your uncle? And they're like what did I be totally awesome and our uncle is the greatest is all our parents. And they're like oh I mean he's okay.
He shouldn't say he's the greatest. We're the greatest. The kids are like go. They have matching tattoos.
They put their arms together. It spills uncle. They go hey would you like to go spend some time with your uncle? They're like yeah dude he's awesome.
So the parents send the kids away. You know it's pretty much walking distance to the uncle's house. It's not like across the country. And the kids leave now on April 16th, 2023.
They're coming back to the family farm. They're coming back from the uncle's house. They're like oh that was awesome. It's so much fun.
That was really really cool. And the brothers like yeah no I agree like our uncle's the best. They're walking back to the farm. Now for the past year.
Himu Hai and Hansabin. Have every single day. They would go to this tent. They had set up on their property and inside that tent.
They would pray to and worship Shiva. Shiva I think is most well known in the West as the God of destruction. That's where you'll hear a lot of talk of Shiva. But Shiva is more than that.
Shiva is a Hindu God. It's part of the Hindu Trinity which includes. You're like oh he pulled every week of media for this part. I'm not going to go too much into it.
But Shiva is part of the Hindu Trinity which includes Brahma and Vishnu. I'm not super familiar with Hindu really any Eastern religion or deities. Or you know I pretty much know the big ones the ones that you just kind of pick up through cultural contamination just you know knowing things. But I would have to look at Wikipedia to really get deeper in this video.
So Shiva is the God of time. The cosmic dancer is kind of cool stuff like that. Oh yeah no the classic dance of that clear is enough. Thank you and thanks Wikipedia.
Well at this house at this farm in India these parents they would every single day go out to the property and worship Shiva they had a picture of Shiva in this tent. And then they had this thing called a sheaving which was made out of mud. And it's basically like an effigy a point to focus all of your prayers on of Shiva they go generally they're made out of blackstone or marble. This family made one out of mud.
And the kids are used to this kids are used to the parents being like hey we're going to go worship Shiva and like yeah okay and parents would go out to this tent they'd be in there. You probably want to think of it as a kid. Neighbors probably didn't think anything that it was weird it'd be the same thing as if someone goes hey I'm gonna go pray at the church and I'm Catholic and I go pray the church you're like okay buddy see you later and they walk in the church. You wouldn't imagine that the unspeakable was going on in there.
You just be like a dude's crying. But then one day you see a bunch of cop cars pull up outside that church and there's a bunch of dudes with cameras and they click like that and you'll be like okay I'm a little little worried about what might be going on in there. But I hope my friends okay. Well everybody's okay.
He's like oh I don't care what happens in the priest. Just my friend you'd be like oh I hope everybody's okay. Okay but you wouldn't really ever think anything bad was going to happen. April 16th 2023.
This these two kids are walking home and they see the tent that's been on the property for a year that's not alarming. What is alarming is that they see something sticking out of the bottom of the tent. It's two sets of legs. The rest of their parents they can't see the rest of them are underneath the tent.
But when they start getting closer and closer to these legs that are broken out from the bottom of the tent. They realize something is horribly wrong. Police are notified. I don't know how much that these kids actually saw.
I don't know if they went into the tent themselves. I really hope not. However there were photographs taken of this and they're pretty easy to find online. I was coming across unblurred photographs just reading the news articles I was reading because this became big national news.
What had happened is that you have this tent and inside you have this little place the worship and you have these two sets of legs sticking out from underneath the tent. The parents had built a two person guillotine. This massive metal blade attached to it. They both laid down.
And from what I can gather from the photograph that they were facing up. The parents are actually facing up when they put their heads in the guillotine and they're looking up and the rope is pulled or released and the heavy metal blade came down and chopped both of their heads off at the same time. And there was also a fire a little like fire pit that was in this tent. So it wasn't just that the blade came down and chopped their heads off their heads and then rolled into the fire that was stoked for this particular reason.
The heads rolled into the fire as a purification type ritual. The police here's the thing followers of Shiva are not known for doing this. The police have tried wondering like what happened. They got wasn't an accident because this is a homemade guillotine.
Wasn't like they built this and then the fire was something that was just not related to it. They actually believe that the goal of this was to not only chop their heads off. Commit suicide at the same time but for their heads to then roll into this fire. The police also said well you know we have this letter from the parents.
They kind of explain a little bit of it. And the letters basically like hey we're going to do this. We're going to perform this ritual. We're not going to survive.
This is the end of us. We want to make sure that our children are now orphaned the children are taken care of by our parents. Their parents are old. Their parents are elderly right these people were in their late mid to late 30s.
So I mean their parents are probably like at the minimum. 50s right if they started having kids really young. Maybe even older. Tragic all around the police are thinking well I wonder if this was some sort of like black magic ritual.
Like they've been trying to like sacrifice themselves for something some goal. But they're trying to show their true dedication to Shiva. I mean possibly but they're dead now. We really wouldn't benefit anyone.
They go where they're trying to cast a spell for like wealth again like it's not going to benefit anyone. They said in their letter our children are now orphans. So they started asking around though the neighbors said hey listen as far as we know they didn't have any money problems. They got along great.
Not a murder shoe aside. It's not like it was an abusive relationship that ended in the darkest way possible. What I thought was interesting I mean it's absolutely tragic. We see a lot of this stuff happen all over the world where people follow a particularly religious belief to a horrible end.
We see this type of stuff happening and it's always tragic. Probably not good to talk about. It's always awful. We've covered stories about it.
We've covered a lot of stories about cults on the show. We don't so much anymore. Not because I think they're boring. It's they're horrific right.
It's horrific. But we also cover stuff where people's conspiracy theory believes. Get them to do something insane. The recently was that young man.
I don't remember his name. I could pull it up. He killed himself. I'm thinking about it doing a deep dive into him because the media is already kind of coming gone with that.
They don't talk about it anymore. There was that dude who set himself on fire outside of the Trump trial. I'll pull his name up real quick. And he was a pretty hardcore conspiracy.
Theory advocate when he sent himself on file that he still has. I wonder if it's still left. I'm surprised I'm taking it down now. He has a.
Substack which I made a copy of because I honestly thought that it would get deleted right away. There's that guy here in the United States named Max Azorello. He set himself on fire outside of the Trump trial in Manhattan and died probably about 12 hours later. He was horrifically burned.
And before he died, he threw a bunch of fliers around and then sent himself on fire. People it's so shocking to see anything like that. You don't know what to do. And even if you saw guys set himself on fire like how do you help him?
You know, he blasted with a fire hose. He's like, I just flying away. So maybe he was in the little rascals, but you know what I mean? You can't really get super close to him.
You don't want to catch on fire. You want to put him out. It's not like someone started stabbing themselves. You can kind of get in the middle of that again.
Probably not super safe to do that either. But anyways, he started throwing these fliers around and he died. He's self-evonated. And one of his big conspiracy theories is that the Simpsons is actually a kick in the ball.
Kick in the balls to America. It's like this. There's these hidden messages in the Simpsons, the television show, the Simpsons. And he says because almost every writer on that show is a graduate of Harvard.
It's this huge elite conspiracy to show us a world where an average person is a fat, stupid oath, like Homer Simpson, under the thumb of a billionaire businessman who only cares for profit. And there's nothing you can do about it. There's nothing you can do about it. It's like psychological warfare.
It's Harvard, the elites, these kids coming out of Harvard telling Americans generation after generation for what? 30 years at this point? You're stupid. You're fat and stupid.
There's nothing you can do about it. And he even says the character of Lisa Simpson is supposed to mock us as well. There's one trueism in this world. Everyone knows Lisa Simpson's not funny.
And her episodes are not funny. Anytime she's most of the plot, it's a dumb episode. I always get mad when I sit down and watch the new episode Simpsons and then I find out it's at least episode. I'll shut it off.
It's terrible. But that's not what his problem was with it. Max said no. He goes, Lisa Simpson's character is actually super important because what she is is is the voice of change and the voice of fighting back against the system and she is constantly cut off at the need.
She's constantly the butt of the joke. Like even the episodes where she really tries to make a difference, it ends up really not mattering or it's such a small substantial change that it doesn't matter. And actually it doesn't matter at all because the status quo is the same. It's a cartoon.
So even if they have an episode where she fights for like thinking outside of the religious box or she fights for taking down Mr. Burns or she fights for a new recycling center set up in the elementary school, all of it's forgotten the next episode. So that's again the Harvard elite as he puts it. So you're telling us psychologically, civil, not civil, not civil, not subconsciously telling us is that the same thing.
Basically these messages are there's nothing you do to change anything. Nothing. The world resets the status quo whether you're a stupid oath or you're an idealist. You can do nothing.
Super interesting conspiracy theory. Super interesting conspiracy theory. Not worth killing yourself over. I'd argue most conspiracy theories fit into that category.
You don't kill yourself over them. Of course more. Listen, in his view, this was one of the biggest conspiracy theories going on in Max's view. It probably was worth killing himself over.
It's horrible. He was wrong, but he was so fixated on that because most people read this stuff and then go, wow, man, that's what most people don't even look at the sub stack. They're just reading what they see in the news. And the people who go to the sub stack out of some sort of curiosity go, wow, that's pretty crazy.
That's that's really crazy conspiracy theory. And then in that group, you have a smaller subset that goes, you might have been on to something that actually does in a way kind of makes sense. And in that group, they'll almost not agree, but it's not worth killing yourself over. Interesting.
He's viewing the world from a different angle. If he 100% believed in this conspiracy theory, he goes on and on about like Ponzi schemes and the political parties are all fake. It's all like professional wrestling. These are all really like just basic level conspiracy theories.
He was mentally ill because he set himself on fire and killed himself. He's not mentally ill because he believed that Hillary Clinton and Trump. It was just all a big side show. A lot of people believe that.
I don't think he's mentally ill because he thought that there were these hidden symbols, these hidden storylines in the Simpsons. That's a pretty interesting reading of the show. He's mentally ill because he burned himself alive in public. She's sad.
Which is sad. And I think that that goes to, I mean, this might sound insensitive, but I think it's true. You can be a devout Hindu. You can be a devout Catholic.
You can be a devout really anything and not kill yourself. Once you chop your heads off, even your wife's head off and rolls into the fire and you know your kids are going to find the bodies. That's why they sent them to the Uncle Sauson first place. That's mental illness.
I don't think being religious is a mental illness. I don't think believing in a weird religion is a mental illness either. Whether it's like heaven's gate or whatever. That was a mental illness, right?
Because they didn't end up killing themselves. I'm pretty, I'm honestly pretty, I'm not super judgmental towards religions because they're all weird. Right? I'm religious and I don't hold it against other people for having beliefs that are against the grain, socially or spiritually or anything like that.
Once you chop your own heads off, once you set yourself on fire, once you believe your kids are half human, half reptilian monsters and you kill them both with a spear gun in Mexico, we've covered that story. That was another conspiracy here. Conspiracy there's two who believed too much. Now you suffer from mental illness.
That guy was arrested. I don't remember his name. I'll put it in the show notes. We've talked about it before.
I remember after he got arrested and he had been in jail for a while and he didn't have internet access. He started realize, oh my God, what have I done? He expected these things to happen after killing these reptilian children. They weren't.
They were human children, his children. The more he was out of sight of that rabbit hole, I don't believe the people who were telling him this stuff. I don't even think they were mentally ill. They're just talking about a conspiracy theory.
They believed reptilians are taking over the planet. You have the right to say that. You have the right to believe that. I don't think it's the guy who posted that blog online that this murderer was reading.
The murderer goes and kills his kids. I don't think the guy who wrote that stuff. I doubt. I'm sure he feels terrible about it.
I'm sure he feels awful about it. Because he was part of these kids murder. I mean, listen, I don't know. That guy, whoever he was following, I'm not sure because it's probably a bunch of different groups.
Honestly, they may not care. They may be so deeply conspiracy theory as well. But I think you got to own it a little bit. I don't think you're devoid of blame.
But I don't think it's the person's fault by saying the reptilians are taking over the planet. And then some guy believes you so much that he kills his kids. At the end of the day, it's that dad's fault. These parents, though, as far as we can tell, no one, they won't follow in a particular religious leader or something like that.
They were just themselves. Well, here's the interesting thing. That is a big question, actually, is when you look at these articles, a lot of them have comment sections. And there were people in the community who were like locally in the community where this happened commenting on these stories.
And you start seeing kind of two different messages show up. One of them were people who were super racist, like locally racist, not just like someone in Paraguay who hates Indians, but people in India. Who weren't Indian or people in India who were Muslim, you saw a lot of like, well, this, they're all idiots. They're all idiots.
They're a bunch of bumpkins. They're a bunch of farmers. It's this rural, stupid city full of rural people. And it doesn't shock me that they would do this.
You saw a lot of comments like that. Like, this is what Hindus do. They're awful people. You'd see those comments from Muslims.
You'd see comments from people who weren't Indian saying, well, this is what they do. They're just all nuts. You'd see a lot of racism. You'd see a lot of anti-religious anti-Hindu stuff.
What do you expect their Hindu was kind of the point, very hateful comments. Then there was another set of comments that were popping up in the middle of all those saying that the letter that was found by the police was not signed. So I don't know if this is a local rumor or if these were people in the area, people who knew this couple people who live near them. I don't know if it's a rumor that's spreading or they have firsthand knowledge that we don't.
The letter wasn't signed. It had a thumbprint. That's how they signed it. They put their thumb, they got a little ink on their thumb and pressed it on the bottom of the letter and it was a thumbprint.
People go, mmm, it's kind of weird. Did they kill themselves? And that's kind of the story that's been going around in the area. Who not?
I mean, again, that's back to a conspiracy theory. We don't really have enough evidence to back it up. We're going off these people's word. And if that is true, here's the thing.
They can press the thumbprint. They got to use their thumbs to sign it. That was the way they wanted to sign it. Because they knew it would be unassailable.
They're a thumb. And then they did kill themselves. Or, you know, the conspiracy would be that they didn't kill themselves. Somebody murdered them.
They made them write the letter. Whether it was typed out, I mean, you can type out a letter. I can type out a letter. If it was typed out with a thumbprint, that's definitely more suspicious than it being handwritten with a thumbprint.
You'd go, well, the rest of the handwriting on the letter looks fair. But you can write under duress. Someone came in and said, hey, we want you to write a suicide note. But at that point, you'd figure you'd probably get them to sign it pretty easy as well.
You say, listen, we're going to kill you and your wife. Write this letter. And then you're like, no, that's too much. I'm not going to sign it after you've written the letter.
You're like, no, I'm not going to sign it. And they're like, well, we're just going to kill you and put your thumb on it anyways. Like if you've already written the letter under duress, the signing would be kind of the same. But that's a conspiracy going on.
Did they kill themselves or was it murder? And this is one of those cases too that, you know, the police are going to kind of look at and say, everything points to suicide, every little thing we can look at points to suicide. Even if there's suspicious about the thumbprints, they have to move on. They have to get the next case.
Even if something doesn't really make sense, they go, well, let's move on to the next case. So it's a super interesting story because it is a true crime that involves war, a deity. It does fall into that Venn diagram of true crime, paranormal and conspiracy. Was it murder?
Was it suicide? If it was suicide, what was the true reason why? Like even in the letter, I mean, no one in the end of the article was able to say exactly why they did it. The letter apparently was more of a, this is what we want to happen next.
But why did they do it? Why did they feel that was their only option? Were they trying to give their kids a better life? You think you would include that in the letter?
Was there some thing going on in that tent day after day for an entire year that drove them in this religious fervor to kill themselves? Was there a larger group of worshipers in the area that were doing a similar worshiping or similar ritual? And it is a broad conspiracy and they were killed for whatever reason? We don't know.
We don't know. The police don't know, but they say, the police do know, they go into suicide. You know, that's what they believe and they move on to the next case. But in this community, they're still wondering about it.
They're still talking about it. And I'm sure there are still whispers that this couple did not kill themselves. They were actually murdered, which is a conspiracy theory. It does make it easier to digest.
It's much easier to think that these two parents were murdered by an outside force than they would willingly kill themselves and leave their children here and create such a scenario where their children would find their bodies. That's incomprehensible to most people and definitely incomprehensible to all parents. They go, I would never do that. I would never, ever do that to my kids.
So. XYZ. That's why that conspiracy theory could be born and has been born. Because you go, that's impossible.
I would never do that on my kids. There must be some other force, not paranormal external criminal force or a cult like force or whatever, because I would never do that. Therefore, they probably didn't do that either. But either way, it's a tragedy.
Either way, it's an absolute tragedy and I feel for those kids and I hope that, you know, they're able to move on as best as they can. And the people in the community will always wonder what happened in that tent. But they'll never know. They'll never have a answer.
That gives them peace in their heart because suicide or murder. Both of them are just so tragic in this case. Although he even likes it like, oh man, he's all driving the Lamborghini. He's like, this is dope dude.
And now he's just sitting in the behind the story. He's like, oh man, I actually don't have enough time for him. His back is okay, but he's okay. Don't have enough time to do the story about the boy in the haunted house.
Let me see what I got. I talked a really long time about that. I hope you guys, I would have to say find that entertaining. I think that's what I mean at the end of the day was about parents killing themselves or being murdered, but entertaining might not be the right word.
But let's see. Let me find something else here that's shorter. Maybe something about aliens. Let's take a look.
Oh, here's one. This one might cheer you up. Hello humanoids. Let's go ahead and touch the keys of the world famous carboner doctor.
We are leaving behind India. Fly us all the way out to the big city. Edit all the way up to the big city. We don't know exactly where the story takes place other than a big city.
We're about to meet this young man. Let's go ahead and call him Carlos. And he works for a food delivery service. So probably like Uber eats or something like that.
I'm sure they left after they've attached to the story. Uber eats. Maybe what's the other one? Lift licks.
Uber eats. He's driving around. Lift licks. Something like that.
He is driving around his car. He has this warm food sitting next to him. I hate to deliver food. I used to deliver pizza.
I was hungry all the time. But you know, pizza. I'm not going to go back to the pizza shop. I need some.
Imagine if you had to keep going to like a Kentucky fried chicken. And they're like a bucket of chicken, please. And you're like, oh, I'm so hungry. You're like, well, they ordered eight pieces, but clearly they won't notice one missing.
They're driving up to pick up some tough red chicken. I would love to tell you guys my my my stories working at Godfather's pizza. Because man, I was some crazy stuff back then. Not even ghost related.
Just gross related. But I don't know, like legally legally. I'm sure some of the stuff that I did at Godfather's Pizza. For all I know, there's no statue limitations for being a food based terrorist.
So the stories remain in the vault for now. This dude though, he's driving around. He hasn't committed any food based food based crime. He's like, wow, what?
Thank you. What can that possibly be? It's not that bad. It's not what you're thinking.
I know you're thinking about that perverted Arby's. But that episode is showing up. You're like, what? Bring that story.
That's the most disgusting story you've ever covered. The perverted Arby's. No, you know, you work at Pizza Parlor. Things happen.
It's Italian food. You're going to do Italian things. You're going to break a couple of laws. Anyways, Carlos is driving around all this food in his car and he's driving to this area.
He said it had been renovated probably about a decade or two ago. It looked really nice back when they did it. He goes even now, it still looks nice and not as nice as it used to look when they renovated it because they wanted to bring more tourism to the city. You know, not the worst place you could deliver.
And he ends up seeing the delivery tag on the food and it's to this nice apartment complex. You know, well, that would be cool. Maybe a big tip. Maybe shouldn't have been some of their chicken.
But that way, if I don't get a tip, at least I got a piece of chicken. He's driving up to this apartment complex. Very chic, he says. The delivery is on the third floor.
So he parks the car, grabs the food, gets out. He walks out of the apartment complex. Carlos is halfway across the lobby and something in his gut tells him, no, I don't want to be here. I don't feel like I could be the game.
See, I ate. Could be something else. He's a delivery man. There is an oath that everybody takes when they decide to deliver someone else's food.
Through storms or gunfire, we will come to bring you lunch for you to not on. We have to recite that every day before work. He's walking through the lobby, carrying this food. He feels uneasy.
By the time he gets to the elevator, he's feeling even worse. Presses the button, elevator door closed. Let's see, elevator going up the floor. It goes up the third floor.
The door opens up and he walks out onto the hallway of the third floor and Carlos is hard. It's pounding. He feels like the walls are suffocating him. He's like, oh, this is the perfect guy you want to deliver you food.
You're like, oh, I'm so hungry. You open the door. This dude's just. He's all sweating.
He's all sweating. It's hard. He's like, ah, the walls, the walls, like, I'm breathing. You're like, oh, man, I don't know if I want this food anymore.
He's all sweating into your food. He's walking out of the hallway. He feels like he's suffocating. He feels nothing but pure dread all around him.
These are actually the signs of heart attack as well. If you have all of these signs, you know, you might want to sit down and make sure you're not having an heart attack. If anyone sees a walk and pure dread can't breathe, walls are closing in on him. Heart is pounding.
He's like, oh, this is the first time he's been sitting on his feet. He's like, oh, this is the first time he's been sitting on his feet. Can't breathe. Walls are closing in on him.
Heart is pounding. He walks up to the door, ding, bong. Dude comes to the door and goes, alright, man, KFC right before the big game. Here you go, sir.
And keep the change. That's for you. The guy takes the food and car. It's just from Brooklyn sweating.
He's like ah, what up he's going on here? And he takes his money and he goes down on the elevator and goes out to his car and he's like, what the hell is that? Was that an anxiety attack? Was that a heart attack.
I guess his left arms all numb, he's like, ah, trying to open his car door. against the side of the car door. Hey, why can't you just arm work? We couldn't figure out exactly what happened.
He didn't really, not that he didn't think too much about it, but once he gets out, he's like, wow, that was like a crazy one-off experience that will never ever happen again. I'm not gonna give a heart check down, my vision's blurry, but that's okay. I'm gonna drive home. He doesn't really think anything.
He doesn't, he's uncomfortable, but he doesn't really connect what happened to him to the apartment complex. Well, at a later point, we don't know if it was days or weeks later, but he gets a border. His boss is like, hey, Corla, we gotta deliver you for ya. Don't worry, it's a great part of town.
It's a real thing. It's the apartment complex. Yes, you're all doing it. Takes a food order.
Maybe it's not Uber. It's because he has a boss. I don't think the boss is in the car. He's like, ah, I get 80% of your paycheck and I just get to tell you what to do.
I think it's probably like Chinese or pizza or something like that. I probably shouldn't put that higher up in my notes, but anyways, his boss goes, yeah, we got another delivery out of that. Really, Shea, apartment complex. So, Carlos gets the food.
He's driving out there and he walks into the lobby and he goes, oh, I feel too good. This is weird. I remember this. I know where this is going.
I just walk in the hallway, hello, out. Ah, the torment, the torment. And I'm like, what? And then you're like, I was ever screaming in the hallway.
It doesn't, oh, he's knocking on my door. That's my food guy. You open the door and he's like, ah, here's your food. Here's your food.
I've got to leave. I've got to leave just a baby to the credit card. Carlos says he went to that apartment complex a total of three times before, after the third time, he's like, I'm never going back there. There's obviously something wrong.
And then he, that's it. He's done. At the third time, he's walking around, feeling all of these sensations. Pounding heart.
Can't breathe. Just general unease when he walks in the building. But by the time he gets to the third floor, or something's truly wrong, he tells his boss, I'm never delivering there again. Absolutely not.
I'm not doing that. Well, years later, Carlos was thinking about that. Carlos was like, what was that thing? I was so weird to have it three times, I went to the same apartment complex.
And I just got the worst feeling. And it kind of stuck in his craw for a bit. He's like, I'm gonna look that up. He goes, I did.
He goes, I googled the address. He goes, I don't even know why I took these steps. Like, specifically these steps. He goes, I googled the address.
Because the apartment complex had been there, and it was renovated. It was really nice now. So it had a history note. It had been there before.
He goes, I googled the address. He goes, and then I decided to, I never really popped up right away. He goes, then I started searching the city for murders. The city I live in.
I started looking at murders. And that's when he got this hit. He goes, I was looking at murders in my city. He goes, eventually, in the articles about murders, it mentioned the name of that building.
It mentioned the name of that apartment complex. Back in the 80s, in that apartment complex, or whatever it was before, like a hotel could have been a hotel before. But it's always been an apartment complex. I mean, for sure, it goes back in the 80s, on the third floor, there was a horrific triple homicide.
Three people were murdered due to a drug-related crime, whether it was a bad buy. Someone's kind of getting paid money for the drugs, and a robbery attempt as many people are killed, or somebody owed somebody money for drugs. Whatever it was, three people were murdered on that floor back in the 80s. And that point, Carlos had said, this has to have something to do with what I was feeling.
I'm walking around on this third floor, and I'm feeling just absolute dread, terror. I'm gonna wait to get out of there. Interesting, and really kind of a classic ghost story. But I was thinking about it.
I was thinking about this, I was thinking about this horrific event. So I was like, oh, I'll think about the stories. I'm dying on a roof during his zombie apocalypse. Oh, memories, triple murder, ghost story.
I was thinking about it, I wonder what's actually going on on that floor. First off, he fell to the second he walked into the building. And the fact that there's a bunch of people living in this apartment complex would make me think that most of the people don't feel this. You're like, well, you know what I do, I have to say some overwhelming dread.
I'm walking to this building, I'm sweating profusely and I feel like I'm going to suffocate. However, the rent is cheap. The rent is cheap. So I just run through the lobby and get to where I've been on third floor and shut the door before the spirits of the dam that drives me crazy.
Most of the people, if not all of the people who lived there probably did not sense any of this. One or two of them may have had an odd feeling about the place, but maybe they lived on the second floor and they're like, ah, yeah, it's kind of weird, but the rent's good. I'm sure every show often in one of the people living in that apartment brought home like a boy or a girl who would have their date and they could have been like, do this place a super creepy. Like there's something wrong with this place.
You know, I got whatever, baby, come closer and give me a smooch. Okay. Oh, forget that I saw an hourly fapethasm of bloody spirit in your bathroom. Guys, you know, I want to give you a kiss.
I'm sure some people picked up on it who probably were visiting most of the residents, either ignored it or never picked up on it on the first place. But Carlos did and I started thinking I go, why Carlos? Like that's a question that we see with any sort of paranormal story. Why do we have mediums, people can contact spirits and other people who can't?
Okay, they can't see him at all. They can't hear him at all. There's tons of people in between those two. What does Carlos have the ability to do?
An ability that he probably didn't want to have. And he didn't go on and say, well, I always have these wacky paranormal experiences. It was kind of just this. And even when it was happening, he didn't specifically think it was paranormal.
He just thought it was weird. It wasn't until years later when he was like, what was up with that building? When he was walking around, there's two terrifying answers to this. And we'll wrap this up sort of, there's two terrifying answers to this story.
One is that Carlos is walking around and he begins to pick up on the emotions of that murder, or murders. So when he's on that third floor, he's feeling like sweaty, he's heart's pounding, he feels like he can't breathe. But what he's actually experiencing is the emotions of three people who were murdered. And they're coming out of all of the same time.
So let's say that there are these three people in this apartment and let's say they ripped off a drug dealer, which is one of the dumbest things you could possibly do, by the way. Rip off a drug dealer or not tipping your Godfather's pizza delivery driver, trust me. Many people fell to my blade. Rip off a drug dealer.
It's such a short term gain for such a permanent consequence. Rip off a drug dealer, it's idiotic in the fullest. But you rip off a drug dealer and then you know that this drug dealer is looking for you in town and it's you and your two buddies. And you've already had some close calls running into this guy or his boons.
And you guys are staying here. Maybe it's even more horrific because it's already there. You have a guy who ripped off a drug dealer and you have two people who are friends of that guy. And that guy shows it at your apartment one night.