EPISODE · Feb 2, 2026 · 1H 4M
Ep 1297 | Rebutting Ben Cremer’s Unbiblical Take on ICE
from Relatable with Allie Beth Stuckey · host Blaze Podcast Network
In this episode, Allie confronts the growing accusations of “Christian nationalism” against conservative Christians, especially over immigration enforcement and support for ICE, by responding directly to viral posts from progressive Christian figures like Ben Cremer and John Pavlovitz. She defines what Christian nationalism actually is (and isn’t), explains why every worldview inevitably shapes law and public policy, and lays out a biblical case for national borders, pro‑life laws, and a Christian view of government. Allie exposes how progressive Christians often conflate the kingdom of God with America, misuse “welcome the stranger” passages to justify open borders, and deploy toxic empathy and inflammatory rhetoric that unfairly paints white evangelicals as the source of America’s problems. Progressive Catholics aren't safe either, as Allie highlights Catholicism's social justice problem by examining statements by figures like Pope Leo XIV. This episode is a must‑listen for anyone wrestling with the debate over Christian nationalism, the Anti-ICE riots in Minnesota, abortion, biblical justice, and politics in the church. Buy Allie's book "Toxic Empathy: How Progressives Exploit Christian Compassion": https://www.toxicempathy.com --- Timecodes: (00:00) Intro (03:30) Defining Christian Nationalism (07:58) Faith Influencing Politics and Voting (11:17) Immigration, ICE, and Borders (23:27) Was Jesus an Activist? (28:50) Christian Nationalist Panic (37:41) Abortion & Pro‑Life Theology (51:10) Evangelical and Catholic Debates (59:18) Weak Pastors & Media Outrage Cycles --- Today's Sponsors: Good Ranchers | To support a company that’s committed to honoring America’s past, present, and future, visit GoodRanchers.com today. And if you subscribe to any Good Ranchers box of 100% American meat, you’ll save up to $500 a year! Plus, if you use the code ALLIE, you’ll get an additional $25 off your first order. PreBorn | 100% of your donation will go toward saving babies. Will you help us? Just dial #250 and say the keyword BABY. Or donate securely at PreBorn.com/ALLIE. Shopify | Sign up for your $1-per-month trial and start selling today at Shopify.com/ALLIE. We Heart Nutrition | Check out We Heart Nutrition at WeHeartNutrition.com and use the code ALLIE for 20% off. Geviti | Go to GoGeviti.com/Allie and use code ALLIE for 20% off. Taking care of yourself isn't selfish. It's stewardship. --- Episodes you might like: Ep 1295 | The Sad Truth Behind Meghan Trainor’s Surrogacy Story https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/relatable-with-allie-beth-stuckey/id1359249098?i=1000747085607 Ep 1271 | A Catholic & Protestant on the Death Penalty, Immigration & Women’s Roles | Trent Horn https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/relatable-with-allie-beth-stuckey/id1359249098?i=1000738174696 Ep 1254 | Jubilee Reaction: How to Debate 20 Liberal Christians https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/relatable-with-allie-beth-stuckey/id1359249098?i=1000732041086 Ep 582 | How to Share the Gospel with LGBTQ People | Guest: Becket Cook https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-582-how-to-share-the-gospel-with-lgbtq-people/id1359249098?i=1000554125181 --- Buy Allie's book "You're Not Enough (and That's Okay): Escaping the Toxic Culture of Self-Love": https://www.alliebethstuckey.com Relatable merchandise: Use promo code ALLIE10 for a discount: https://shop.blazemedia.com/collections/allie-stuckey
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In this episode, Allie confronts the growing accusations of “Christian nationalism” against conservative Christians, especially over immigration enforcement and support for ICE, by responding directly to viral posts from progressive Christian figures like Ben Cremer and John Pavlovitz. She defines what Christian nationalism actually is (and isn’t), explains why every worldview inevitably shapes law and public policy, and lays out a biblical case for national borders, pro‑life laws, and a Christian view of government. Allie exposes how progressive Christians often conflate the kingdom of God with America, misuse “welcome the stranger” passages to justify open borders, and deploy toxic empathy and inflammatory rhetoric that unfairly paints white evangelicals as the source of America’s problems. Progressive Catholics aren't safe either, as Allie highlights Catholicism's social justice problem by examining statements by figures like Pope Leo XIV. This episode is a must‑listen for anyone wrestling with the debate over Christian nationalism, the Anti-ICE riots in Minnesota, abortion, biblical justice, and politics in the church. Buy Allie's book "Toxic Empathy: How Progressives Exploit Christian Compassion": https://www.toxicempathy.com --- Timecodes: (00:00) Intro (03:30) Defining Christian Nationalism (07:58) Faith Influencing Politics and Voting (11:17) Immigration, ICE, and Borders (23:27) Was Jesus an Activist? (28:50) Christian Nationalist Panic (37:41) Abortion & Pro‑Life Theology (51:10) Evangelical and Catholic Debates (59:18) Weak Pastors & Media Outrage Cycles --- Today's Sponsors: Good Ranchers | To support a company that’s committed to honoring America’s past, present, and future, visit GoodRanchers.com today. And if you subscribe to any Good Ranchers box of 100% American meat, you’ll save up to $500 a year! Plus, if you use the code ALLIE, you’ll get an additional $25 off your first order. PreBorn | 100% of your donation will go toward saving babies. Will you help us? Just dial #250 and say the keyword BABY. Or donate securely at PreBorn.com/ALLIE. Shopify | Sign up for your $1-per-month trial and start selling today at Shopify.com/ALLIE. We Heart Nutrition | Check out We Heart Nutrition at WeHeartNutrition.com and use the code ALLIE for 20% off. Geviti | Go to GoGeviti.com/Allie and use code ALLIE for 20% off. Taking care of yourself isn't selfish. It's stewardship. --- Episodes you might like: Ep 1295 | The Sad Truth Behind Meghan Trainor’s Surrogacy Story https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/relatable-with-allie-beth-stuckey/id1359249098?i=1000747085607 Ep 1271 | A Catholic & Protestant on the Death Penalty, Immigration & Women’s Roles | Trent Horn https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/relatable-with-allie-beth-stuckey/id1359249098?i=1000738174696 Ep 1254 | Jubilee Reaction: How to Debate 20 Liberal Christians https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/relatable-with-allie-beth-stuckey/id1359249098?i=1000732041086 Ep 582 | How to Share the Gospel with LGBTQ People | Guest: Becket Cook https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/ep-582-how-to-share-the-gospel-with-lgbtq-people/id1359249098?i=1000554125181 --- Buy Allie's book "You're Not Enough (and That's Okay): Escaping the Toxic Culture of Self-Love": https://www.alliebethstuckey.com Relatable merchandise: Use promo code ALLIE10 for a discount: https://shop.blazemedia.com/collections/allie-stuckey
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