Chen vulin PC. What would you do if you needed to go to the bathroom and you figured, you know, you've done it before, Not a big deal. However, this time, this time when you go to the bathroom, you're interrupted by a glowing hand from beyond. Be pretty disturbing to say the least.
And then we take a look at the story of a young family making their way through life. But when a ghostly encounter changes the trajectory of this family, we are left to wonder, are they being watched over by a lovable grandpa? Or has a sinister demon come for their children? Today on the rab.
Hey everyone. Welcome back to another episode of Dead Rabbit Radio. Your host, I'm happy. Hope you guys.
Hope you guys are having tons of fun doing whatever you're doing. We got lots of stuff to learn today. So first off, riding into Dead Radio Command on a bike built by the gods themselves. Everyone get on your feet and give it up for our newest show supporter.
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Now that I think about it, why have I never invented a motorcycle? We'll figure something out. Anyways, Bobby, let's go ahead and give you the bunny bicycle. Everyone clown on the handlebars as Bobby rides us out of Dead Rap Radio Command all the way down to Europe.
You can tell I haven't been around a lot of bikes, at least not since I was 12. I don't know what bikes are supposed to Sound like Bobby's taking us all the way out to Europe. That's about as specific as this story gets to somewhere in one of the continents on this planet. We're headed out to Europe.
We're about to be a young boy. We don't have his real name. We're calling him mark. He's 10 years old.
And he said, but the story took place in that. It's not 10 right now. But he said, back when I was 10 years old, I was out on a camping trip with my class. And you go, okay, so there's gonna be woods and tents and maybe a bear, maybe a lake.
No, apparently in Europe, this kind of makes sense, right? Because I don't think Europe has a lot of forests left because it's so old. Like, I'm sure, like, there's like a glen here and a shire there. But, like, when's the last time you ever heard of, like, a forest in Europe outside of, like, Nottingham Forest or where all those spikers were in the Hobbit?
You know, you don't really hear about European forests, the Battle of the Bulge, but they got all blown up, right? You're not gonna take a camp feature of there. You're like, hey, kids, look, here's craters. There's this decimated wasteland.
There's a couple trees here and there. But apparently in Europe, in America, when we go camping, we go out to the wilderness. There's so much of it, thankfully, right? As far as you can see.
But in Europe, their camping trip, they go to another town that's camping to them. So he goes, in my hometown is where I lived and I went to school, and we all went on a camping trip with my school class to a smaller town nearby. It's not really a camping trip. They go to a smaller town nearby.
And he said the whole place had a weird vibe to it, probably because it used to be a forest and they brought marshmallows to cook and tents, but now they just have a tent pitch in the middle of his house. He goes, we're staying at this house on this quote unquote camping trip. And he's hanging out with his buddies. And, you know, everyone's just kind of talking and kind of being like, dude, I really wish that we were in forest.
I really wish we were having an experience like Americans did. Mark goes, oh, yeah, you know what? It's time for me to go to the bathroom. He announces in superlab.
He's like, ah, nature call. It's time to drain the main vein. He stands up and he walks out of the group of friends that he's with and he goes to the bathroom. Like I said, the whole place.
Kind of a weird vibe to it. But you would not expect this to be part of it. If someone said haters, this house, it's kind of creepy. You'd be like, ooh, like maybe a ghost.
A child moaning for her mother late at night. Or maybe just a sinister feeling. When you go in the basement, you have a sense that someone's been murdered down there. Sign me up.
Sounds relaxing because voice acted with. You would never expect this. He gets up and he walks to the house to go to the bathroom. And when he gets to the bathroom, he opens the door before flicking on the bathroom light so it's completely awash in darkness.
He sees a hand floating in the darkness. There's a normal sized hand. Apparently. He didn't say it was like a big, big mouse hand or thing with BB hand.
A normal human sized hand. Floating ratchet. Oh boy. This is normal human hand.
It's floating and it's glowing. He said it was glowing very fluorescently, like a glow in the dark toy would. A very bright green glow. Mark's standing there at the door.
He has it opened and he's looking at his floating, glowing green hand. And he goes, hey guys, guys, come here. You gotta check us out. Yells for his friends.
His friends, who we will call Jerry and Carl. I don't know exactly how many friends showed up, but at least two of them. Guys, guys, come here. Jerry, Carl, come on over.
Look at this. Mark screams out, Jerry and Carl come right up to the bathroom. And when they get there, Mark, what's going on, dude? Do you need help?
Why are you calling? Why are you calling? We know you're on the bathroom. Why are you yelling?
Mark goes, no, no, don't need help, bro. Look. And that is when Jerry and Carl both see the floating green glowing hand. Very important in paranormal experiences to try to get as many witnesses as possible.
I don't know if that's what Mark was thinking in the moment. He might just thought he was losing his mind. And that is another reason why to get other people to view it. Because if they see it themselves, then you're probably not all losing your mind.
You're all looking at this floating, glowing green hand in the darkness here. So I can'. Im Imagination. He's not dreaming now.
Check out the light. When Mark and his friends are standing there looking at this thing, this thing that shouldn't exist, the hand begins to float towards Them. That is when one of Mark's friends, Jerry, reaches over and flicks on the bathroom light. Probably a good call.
Probably good call. Let's see what happens when this reaches says this abomination among all things that are natural. Jerry flips the light on the hand vanishes. There's nothing there.
Floating. There's nothing there. Glowing. There's nothing, Nothing.
It completely vanishes. But to put a topping on this paranormal parfait, this is weird because you could go, jason, it wasn't true. The light turn. The lights generally don't work if people are looking at it from different angles.
Probably wasn't triggered. Not a nightmare or anything like that. Could have been a mistake. Could have been this, that, or the other thing.
What makes the story even more interesting is that when Jerry flicks the light on, the hand disappears. However, on the floor in the same location where this floating hand would have been. As if when you flip the light on, it dropped to the floor, like right underneath where the floating hand was. Remember, it was coming towards them.
Right on the floor Underneath where that floating hand was laying on the floor is a rubber glove. So there is some sort of something happened here. And this is one of those paranormal stories. We really can't even come close to figuring out what it is.
But this is something that we look for in alien encrypted experiences Is physical evidence left behind after the event. That's something you very rarely get with ghost encounters. Sometimes you get stuff knocked over, very rarely. It used to be really big back in the 1900s, the ectoplasm, where ghosts would leave behind this sticky residue as if there was this floating hand.
And when you flicked the light on, it returned into the real world. A just rubber glove laying on the ground. Evidence, a mark, Something definitely real. And it wasn't like they saw the glove on the ground and thought it was floating.
There was a glove on the ground. Mark and his friends went down, the gloves just sitting on the ground. He's like, oh, is that. Then creepy with that glove.
Mark and his friends, they went and they told their teachers. They themselves were completely shocked. They had no idea what this could have been. Then they go and they tell their teachers because it's a school trip.
And of course the teachers don't believe them. I don't care. Those teachers not believe three boys have encountered a spirit in the bathroom late at night. Teachers don't believe them.
It's an interesting story. It really. There's a couple different ways you look at it. One, in Mexico, it's mainly In Mexico and then a little bit in central America.
There are tons of stories of disembodied hands chasing children. And I've done episodes on them. I'll put them in the show notes. I've done at least one.
I think I've done two. It is not a phenomenon that's seen in north America. It's not a phenomenon that I really come across anywhere else except for Mexico, Central America, maybe south America, but I don't think so. I think it's locked into that region.
And very, very vivid accounts. Groups of kids being chased up the stairs in the basement by a hand scurrying after them. We do have the one off story of other people in other countries seeing a hand doing this. In England.
I think it's in England. Yeah. It really upsets dead red radio. There were the hairy hands of dartmoor, dartmouth, something like that.
Open his show notes. But people would be driving down this road and this pair of hairy hands would materialize and grab the steering wheel and try to drive the car off the road. But as far as this particular thing of a hand terrorizing children Seem to really be locked into Mexico and central America. Odd phenomenon.
Odd phenomenon to say the least. Even among. Even among the rest of the paranormal lore that we look at. But then the fact that this glove appeared, what does that mean?
Was there an entity that possessed this glove and was floating around and coming towards the kids? Was the glove not in that bathroom? It was gloveless until this entity appeared. And then this one's the creepier version, right?
One of them is something possessed an existing glove. The other one is this hand was floating through this bathroom. And when they turn the light on, the hand created the glove. The glove did not exist in that bathroom or really anywhere on this planet until this entity was transformed into a glove or became a glove.
It's one thing to say that a demon could possess a stuffed animal. It's another thing that there. A demon becomes a stuffed animal. Like you do not have a stuffed care bear in your closet.
And then one day you do, and it's a demon. As opposed to if you did have a care bear and the demon went. As opposed to if you did both repeat. Right?
But as opposed to if you own a career bear already in the demon in it. Which one would I rather get sacrificed to in the middle of the night? One is a one something that we know can happen, right? Items can be cursed, Items can be possessed, and negative entities can attach to items that exist on the planet.
The other one is so Far fetched. I can't think of another time that it could have happened where the spirit manifested the glove. It did not exist before this event. There was no glove in that room, which, I mean, we can't go back and check.
Happy now? If this story took place probably a while ago, the guy posted this online anonymously. So it happened when it was 10. I mean, someone probably picked the glove up at some point.
And here's the other thing, too. Like, what happened if you put that glove on? Would you just have this glove? People are like, who is she kidding?
I found it in her bathroom. Found in her bathroom at a campsite in Europe. Might just be an ordinary glove. Might be more than that.
Personally, this is one of those items that I would have wanted possession of. But, yeah, this is an item I want because you'd wonder, did the entity possess it, which would make it interesting as a curiosity, or did the entity manifest the glove? They created the glove, which would make it just absolutely bonkers, if that was possible. Interesting paranormal story.
Nonetheless, I find it absolutely fascinating. I find the idea of hands because this is something I never grew up with, right? We always were, like, maybe afraid of having our hand outside of a blanket, or maybe you're like, walking down a dark hallway and thinking something might grab you. But in my childhood, full of fears, I was very, very scared as a child.
None of my fears were ever at disembodied hands chasing me. Never. And the only thing I could really think so was, who's the guy on the honors family? Is it cousin it?
Who's the hand? Or is that the thing? Whatever. It's almost comical to think of a hand chasing you.
And I think that would go for most people, except there's an entire country, an entire region of the world. They're like, no, that's the scariest thing they can think of. I've actually been chased up the stairs by hands. I've been choked out by hands.
I'll put up some show notes. There's a lot of stuff with these disembodied hands. We even have stories. Wow.
Even going back where I remember the story. A long time ago, a girl was taking a shower in an apartment complex, if I remember this correctly. And there was a window. You know, most bathrooms have, like, a high window, so no one can really look in or out while someone's using the bathroom and she's using the shower.
And she sees outside that window a pale hand with long fingers. And it was like beckoning her. It was doing that. Come here.
Finger thing to her. And she knew there was no one in the building that tall. She knew there was no one who had hands that grotesque. There's other stories like that.
We've actually covered a lot of disembodied hands on this show. So what? Why that phenomenon? And then you wonder, why not feet?
Why aren't people seeing disembodied feet chasing them? Which technically would be scarier? Because a hand can punch and scratch and grab you mine. That's scarier than a foot.
I was like, well, fucking dick you. That's kind of all I can do. It can step on you. It can make you smell their dirty feet.
Yeah, I'd rather be chased by foot than hand, but, yeah. Why hands and not feet? What is the paranormal connection there? Fascinating story.
Really, really love that one. Those kids probably think, what's too fun? They're like, and I never went to bathroom again after that. I got a clothing bag attached to my body, so I never had to experience a dark bathroom again.
Bobby, let's go ahead and talk to the keys of the world famous armor copter we are leaving behind Europe. Why don't you fly us all the way out to a house in the suburbs. The year 2020. We're going to meet Philip at this point in life.
He's 29 years old and the year 2020 is pivotal in his life because unfortunately, that's when his father passed away. And Philip said, you know my dad, he did have his health issues. But when he died of a heart attack, it was still very unexpected. We did not know it was going to happen then or that way.
Even though he had these complications in his life all caught us off guard at the time. Philip had a son who we will call. Oh, I named him Mark 2. Oh, I forgot his name.
Storage. Back to back. Let's call this guy. All my notes say Mark.
Oh, sorry, this guy's name is Mark too. Or I can change my notes, but I can't see you. I change my notes. I'll get the names mixed up.
So Mark was a guy in the first story, but this is not. This is a different Mark. Neither of his names are actually Mark. I made them up in my head.
But at the time, Phillips son, who we will call Mark, was a little baby who did get to visit with grandpa. It's not like they never hung out. But Philip and his wife Tracy always felt like Mark and grandpa never got enough time together. And really, when is enough time with your grandparents?
Well, fast forward a couple months after grandpa died, Philip and his wife Tracy are kind of hanging out in the living room, just chilling, doing the married thing, watching television probably while Mark is in bed. And there's toys. Mark's toys are kind of strewn around the living room. It's still just complete mess.
When he was playing earlier, well, one of these toys was a musical toy. It was a baby shark toy. I don't know how much of that song I can sing before I trigger a copyright violation, but I'm sure we're gonna find out. They had this baby shark toy, and the way it was set up was you had these pieces that you could take out of the toy, and they were in the shape of the different sharks.
So you have a shape of a baby shark, shape of a mama shark, a daddy shark, a grandpa shark, and grandma shark. I think that's all. When you take these toys out and then put them back in, it activates the sensor based on what toy you're playing with, which little guy you're playing with. So you have this little device.
And let's say I put the baby shark in, it'll go, baby shark, baby shark. You pull it out, someone can torture device, right? You buy these toys for families you ate. There are these different animal shapes.
There are these different impressions in this device. So if you take the dad shark and put them in the proper impression, proper place, Daddy shark, daddy shark, pull it out, so on and so forth with all the family members. Now you can also trigger it if you put your fingers right over the correct sensor in the correct slot. You can you put your fingers over the slot and say the grandma shark impression part of the story.
Grandma shark, grandma shark. Well, anyways, Philip and Tracy are sitting there in the living room. Mark's fast asleep. They sat in his bed.
Or maybe I wrote that down. He's still a baby, like a queen size bed getting strangled by blankets. He's probably like a crib or something nearby. Philip and Tracy are sitting there in the living room and all these toys are all over the floor, making this big mess.
And this baby shark toy is sitting there. And all of a sudden, baby shark, baby shark, grandpa shark, grandpa shark, grandpa shark, grandpa shark, grandpa shark, grandpa shark. Phil and Tracy kind of looking at each other. They're nowhere near this toy.
It's sitting in the middle of the floor. And he said, he goes. It started off singing baby shark, but then it switched to grandpa shark. And it kept doing it over and over again.
Grandpa shark, grandpa shark. And then it would stop. Philip and Tracy are kind of like, that was Weird. Like why did this toy just activate out of nowhere?
When Philip just thought, I don't know exactly why this crosses his head, but he says out loud, he goes, dad, you know, his father just died a couple months ago. Dad, if that's you, press Grandpa shark, Grandpa shark, Grandpa shark, Grandpa shark, Grandpa shark. That's weird. Like, from what I understand for reason, Tracy is a big believer in the paranormal.
Philip has some sort of belief, at least if he did it before now, that he could say, hey, dad, if that's you, play Grandpa Shark and starts playing it. This device is sitting there on the ground and then all of a sudden it starts going, baby shark, Grandpa shark, baby shark, grandpa shark. We get it. Okay, Jake, it's a song.
Your ears are bleeding. You're like, ah, this is the cursed episode. It started playing both parts back to back. It was just going, baby shark.
It was going so rapidly that eventually you couldn't even understand what it was saying. And it's going and going and going. It's glitched out, it's malfunctioning. But you have to wonder, is there some sort of paranormal connection to this?
Because Philip starts to get scared and he says out loud, dad, this isn't funny anymore. And right when he says that, it instantly stops. At that point, Tracy ran over to it, picked up the device and switched it off. A malfunction possible, right?
That's the most likely answer. When you would look at this and it is a device that is programmed to play these songs. It's not like it was Teddy Ruskin singing Grandpa Shark. That's what the toy was built to do.
Sensors get dirty. Could be setting this thing off. Remember this thing? The only way that a song would play is if you put the proper piece in the proper place, or you covered the sensors with your finger or you know, any other thing that could block that sensor and then it would take the toy was in place.
Neither of those things are happening as far as Phil and Tracy were concerned. Let's jump ahead to August 20, 2024. Very recent, right? This is.
I'm recording this on the 28th. This happened only eight days previous to all of me recording this. Mark is now five years old. Philip and Tracy have another child now, an 11 month old daughter who we will call Amanda.
And on August 20, 2024, they're sitting around the dinner table finishing up dinner time. When an 11 month old, they can't really still eat stuff, right? They'll eat baby food. She's maybe in a high chair getting stuff shoveled into her baby mouth.
But Mark's a big boy. Mark gets to sit at the table and eat a big boy meal, but he doesn't really want to. Like most kids, you get distracted by reading. You kinda want something else.
You kinda want to do something else. Mark still has food on his plate, but starts to go, mommy, daddy, I want the snacks. I want the sweet stuff. And they're like, mark, you can't have the sweet stuff until you finish the food on your plate.
But, mama, dada, this is not good. This is gross. It's kind of gross. Steamed carrots.
I don't know what they're eating. But anyways, whatever it was wasn't good enough for Mark. He wanted the sweet stuff. They're like, mark, you can't have the sweet stuff.
You can't have the snacks or the dessert until you finish your food. Aw, you guys. You guys are wet blankets. Mark says, or at least they probably.
And he sits there and he begins to eat more of his food because he realizes he's not gonna win this fight if he wants the sweet stuff. He wants a tasty snack. He's gotta finish eating his food. And he eats most of it.
He eats most of it. And Philip is like, good job, Mark. Good job. You ate.
That's your food. We'll make sure you get some sweets. Philip walks over to the side of the table where Mark is at to pick up Mark's plate. And while most of the food was eaten, there was still some food on there.
Philip's walking over to pick up Mark's plate. And at that point, Mark jumps up, inadvertently hitting his plate, knocking it to the floor, and sending the leftover food flying through the kitchen. At that point, Philip, listen, I'm not a dad. I'm not a dad, right?
Way too much stress for me. But I don't know, man. Like, if my bro. If I got this little bro here, and first off, I'd be like, we don't eat snacks after.
After dinner lessons on how to be a parent. Like, first off, no snacks. I don't know. I do have to say that if it gets me exuberant and jumps up and knocks something over, I'm not gonna, like, run through the ringer for that.
Like, yeah, it sucks. I make him clean it up. I'd be like, yo, bro, did you not care your plate? He's like, what?
Oh, sorry, man. I was like, peter, pick up these carrots and stuff, dude, throw them away. Philip takes a different tact to get him out of debt. Punch people like, that's how it works.
First off, you're not a football coach. You can't yell at them like they're just an athlete of yours. Philip goes, this is his quote. This is what he said that he did.
He said that. He said, Philip said to Mark, quote, no, sweets, now you did something good, but then you immediately did something bad, unquote. And then he storms off. Not mark, not the 5 year old who didn't storm off out of the kitchen.
Philip did. Philip stormed off like he was mad. Like, dude, he knocked over some carrots. Probably know if you're eating soup that like permanently stains its ducts.
For his business meeting, he had worked for a tax company, I don't know. But the parents stormed off. I'm sure Mark was like, oh, no, sweets, that's, that's a bummer. Mark goes to his room.
No sweets for him. No sweets for him is the ruling. Philip is cleaning up after he comes back from storming out. Philip is cleaning up the mess, and mom's getting Amanda ready for a bath, which I'm sure is probably pretty normal after feeding the baby.
At that point, Mark's gone, right? Mark's in his bedroom, no snacks for him. You have Philip, Tracy and 11 month old Amanda in the kitchen at that point. Amanda had this toy walker and no one was near it.
But this toy walker which had these series of buttons you could press that'll make animal noises or play songs. You press a button, it makes one or ba. Or you know, no one was near it. Philip said no one had been near it really all day long.
It was just one of many toys that Amanda had, she hadn't used that day. It starts making these noises. Mermaidoo. I don't know if this all sits, all the folk music, just making animal noises and a song and stuff like that.
And it completely stops. The device activates without anyone touching it. And Filip goes, ever since the thing that happened years ago, four years ago with the baby shark thing, and as far as I can tell, it's never happened since. It's just that one night it was doing this.
He didn't report any other incidents. He said ever since that him, his wife had kind of joked about that grandpa was watching over all of them. So when his toys are having these noises play without anyone interacting with it, they both kind of go, oh, grandpa's back. And that is when Tracy goes, martin, which is the father's real name, the grandfather's real name.
She goes, very funny, Martin. You back again. And after saying that, the device. This toy walker begins to chirp and beep and make songs again.
And they're like, oh, Grandpa, Grandpa's back. But then they think, well, maybe it's a glitch, right? Because they had that one experience four years ago. Maybe this is just a glitch.
So they just stood there. It's covered in filth, and it's like, I really need bath. I learned my first words. Please take me out of this kitchen and bathe me.
Philip and Trace are standing there in the kitchen, and they kind of wait to see if it'll trigger itself again. Because, you know, they go, it's just malfunction. It's triggering with literally no input from people touching buttons or us even saying, hey, Grandpa, press a button and see if it'll play again. They stay there for a while, and it doesn't play again.
And at that point, Philip says, dad, if it's you, press one of the buttons. The cow mooed. Tracy said, I think he's angry we didn't give his grandson some sweets, said the sheep. Philip looks at this toy walker.
No one's near it. No one's touched it all day. And Phillip says, do you want us to give him some sweets, dad? The horse said, Philip goes, weird.
Hey, Mark. Mark, come out of the room. We'll give you some snacks. It's time for you to have some sweets.
And Mark's like, yay. And he did. Philip gave his son some snacks. Mark leaves the room.
Tracy takes Amanda to the bath. And Philip is standing there alone in the kitchen with this walker. And he said, dad, is that you? This time, there was no answer.
The toy remained silent. Philip posted this online. We're not even close to the end of this because I kinda got a lot to say about this. Philip posted this online underneath the name Bare Emergency 3143.
He finished it with pretty much exactly what I told you about the ending of it was. I stood alone in the room and one final time said, dad, is that you? But this time, no answer. The toy remains silent.
He added this, though. I wonder what would have happened if we didn't give him any sweets. Exclamation point. This is really interesting paranormal story.
I can't go on too long because I'm running out of time. Episodes running a little long. But listen, having a loved one come back into your life after they've passed on, that's a blessing. I think most people would consider that a blessing.
Getting to see them one more time, getting to see them in a state of Bliss, you know, that they're at peace. That is something that everybody wants. Whether I believe in ghosts, that if you were to encounter a ghost, that would be what you would want. You want to see a loved one being like, no, everything's cool.
Actually, I'm actually doing really well, especially sometimes. You know, Philip's dad had a lot of health issues to be able to see him healthy and vibrant. So I'm not knocking that. I find that that is a blessing.
And I think a lot of people want that experience. Not everyone gets it, but I don't know if that's what this is. To clarify, earlier, I said that his wife believes in the paranormal. Looking at my notes here, it's that she is a two.
The words he uses Philip, because he posted that said she's quote the tunes of the supernatural, unquote. But she doesn't really like to engage with it because it creeps her out, but she believes in it. And so in a situation like this, you go, here's the thing. I don't know if this is their grandpa.
I do not know if this is Philip's dad, first off. And the kind of scary thing is you never know. You never know. Even when you see a loved one come to you after they're passed on, and they look young and vibrant and healthy in a way that you haven't seen them in years as disease slowly ravaged their body or depression scarred their mind, you don't know 100% for sure that that is your loved one coming back.
You can probably pretty much assume that it is. There wouldn't be a lot of reasons why a demonic force, which could easily impersonate a human spirit, would come back and say, hey, everything's great. Everything's great. Those diseases that I had in life that took so much joy from us, they're now gone, and I'm able to live on this beautiful paradise.
There wouldn't really be much of a reason for a demon to do that. Of course, once this as normal for the show, once they start to say something, I face something else. I go, unless this demon was trying to convince you to kill yourself. Like, you're already kind of on the fence about the whole thing.
And your grandma came back and been like, yo, it's totally dope over here. It's totally dope being dead. Other than that very specific example, I don't know a reason why a demonic force or an evil entity would want to impersonate your loved one. Coming back is a final goodbye and telling you everything's okay.
I'm not gonna say it's impossible. It's very, very, very unlikely. In a situation like this, though. Think about where we're at.
First off, we have the grandpa shark, baby shark thing. They ask it, it is playing the grandpa shark song, sure. But remember, Philip says, dad, if that's you, press the grandpa shark and you're putting it out there. And think about it this way.
It's the same thing when you get a scam phone call, right? Somebody calls you up, they may have a little bit of information about you, but through social engineering, by them asking the right questions, they're going to gain a lot more information about you. They may know your name and they may know where you live, but they go, hey, listen, your aunt's in a lot of trouble. And you go, oh, Aunt Shirley?
And they're like, yes, yes, Aunt Shirley. Aunt Shirley's in a lot of trouble. The highway patrol has pulled her over and they're looking to get such and such amount of money. You're like, well, how do I get a hold of her?
They're going to know. You have to call highway patrol. And you're like, I have to call the California Highway Patrol. But I'm in Oregon now.
They're getting more information about Aunt Shirley from me. And this stuff can totally work its way around. And you can give someone. This is the way a lot of psychics work.
Not all of them, but the scammy ones. You give them the information. You don't realize you're giving them information that they are then going to feed back to you. You're going to be like, how in the world did they know that?
Because you gave them enough clues leading up to it. So it's possible that's what this is. It's possible that there is this entity impersonating. I mean, again, imagine that this malevolent force.
I think a lot of these forces are constantly kind of moving around the environment, moving around the world. And they do get, for lack of a better term, invited in. And they could just be passing through and causing this malfunction. Imagine this device of malfunction in the middle of the night.
Nobody heard it, or everyone was at grandma's house. And this device of malfunctioning, never heard it. And this malevolent force just continues on, but it's going off and they go, grandpa, is that you? And then it starts to make these noises and it's doing the baby shark.
The grandpa shark. Baby shark, Grandpa shark in this house at the time, a baby and possibly the spirit of the grandpa. Here's the thing. A lot of this stuff is theoretical.
And I know some people find this to be the most boring part of the show. And I talk about all this stuff, but I love talking about this stuff. You would think, well, why wouldn't the grandpa ghost communicate them. Communicate with them in a way that's not freaking them out.
Where's it doing it so fast you can't tell it apart. But we don't know why ghosts talk the way they do, the way that they communicate with us. We know it's very hard. Communication between the spirit world and our world is very difficult.
It's far more common for them to appear in front of you. You can actually see the ghost. That's one of the most rare forms of ghost. We actually see a full body apparition.
That is easier than them speaking. Speaking in the waking world. You're sitting on the couch and you hear grandpa go, son, I'll always be here to watch over little mark. It's so rare.
It is so rare when that happens that it's notable. So we don't know. I mean, and ghosts have used electronic devices over the years. Turn them off and turn them on, and they're able to do all these things.
You go, well, maybe that's the easiest way for this ghost interact with this family. Sure. But I don't know if it's the grandpa. I find the length of time between the interactions odd.
It's possible the grandpa didn't have enough power, hadn't generated enough power to keep up communications. Over the next five years, a malevolent force may have been somewhere else. Anything right here. Evil entity.
Come on, you probably got a lot of families to destroy. If your grandpa goes, where else are you gonna go? Maybe you're gonna spy on your old wife grandma while she's taking a shower or something like that. People are like, that's terrifying.
Here's my thing, though. We don't know if it's really the grandpa. And to be fair, somebody in the comments said, what if that's not the grandpa? And at that point, Philip goes, oh, you know, we didn't actually think about it.
Tracy said she doesn't want to talk about it anymore. She finds that idea terrifying that this isn't really their grandpa. Here's my thing, though. This is how we're wrap this up.
At what point do you let the spirit world raise your child? Because that's really what happened here at the end of the story. I'm not trying to stand back. Philip and Tracy, call them bad parents or anything like that, but why would you?
Why would you? And I'm not saying listen to you. I got this point a lot as a kid. Sometimes my parents said, ah, nah, he's fine.
He doesn't need to be. What do they call it when you're sitting in your bedroom for a long period of time? Detention. What's that thing called?
I don't remember. Grounded. Grounded. You know, sometimes I get grounded for a week, and then I'd only last couple days.
My parents be like, okay, you can learn your lesson. But I'm not saying that they're wrong to have given Mark sweets after dinner, but the fact that they let the spirit world, grandpa or not, make that decision, is there something wrong with that? To me, my read on it is. And again, I'm just throwing Philip Tracy into the bus.
I'm just saying in general, I know this is the only time I've ever brought it up, but I think that's a really bad idea. I think it's a terrible idea. In fact, we talked about it a little bit on yesterday's episode when I said, I don't let the spirit world determine what I do. Outside of a guardian angel appearing.
I wouldn't let a dream necessarily. I mean, I guess there's some caveats to all this stuff, like a dream or a whisper in my ear or any sort of paranormal force determine whether or not I did something that day. I can read tarot cards. I've done other people's tarot cards.
I've done my own tarot cards. I've never changed my own behavior based on what the cards say because I understand how the cards work. It's more like a psychological tool than a. What's the word?
I don't know if my prints not working today. Divinations. Divination. It's really hot in here.
Actually, that's probably why I don't let the world of the supernatural determine what I do on a daily basis or even like a weekly basis or anything like that. Let's take away the toy. Imagine if you had a family, you had parents who would consult a Ouija board before determining what they were going to do with a particular child. They go, well, you know, we probably should get our kids snacks.
Well, I don't know. He knocked that plate over. He doesn't get snacks. We'll let the infinite unknown be the judge.
We'll let them decide. You break out the Ouija board and it says snacks. Okay, we'll give him snacks. Though the World of the Dead clearly knows better than us.
If I told you that story, you would think I was insane. If someone who was a friend of yours told you that story, you'd be like, why are you consulting at the very, very best, the world of the dead and the damned. At the worst, the evilest of all Norwegian contact, the darkest of spirits. What's the difference really between that and this toy?
He should actually say that. Why would you make decisions on how to treat your child based possibly on a malfunctioning toy? They're like, well, Teddy Ruskin told us to throw you in the garbage can. And he's like, what?
No. No, Teddy, you betrayed me. They're using a possible, at best case scenario, a malfunctioning toy. I mean, you go, jason, it's just snacks.
Just because you have some weird hang up about snacks after dinner, which is weird. Which is already kind of weird. It's a weird take. You had a lot of those lately.
Just because you have a hang up about snacks after dinner, if a malfunctioning toy told them, you think you're like, okay, you're right that it's kind of been safe. There you go, Jason, it's just snacks. It's just snacks. Yeah, but see, it's just snacks today.
It's not what I'm getting at. The snack wall has been breached. Now it's should we get Mark snacks? Says the cow.
What happens when they're like, you know what? First off, we change the name to Max. His name's Mark, actually. But you know what?
Mark lied to us the other day so we can say, oh, legend beyond the realms of the infinite. What do you have to say? What should we do to our son? And this.
We can say that they pull the string. They've even given up just talking to it now. They interact with it. They pull the string and it goes.
The cow goes. And so they send Mark to school and actually dress up as a cow. They go, mark, that's what you give for life to us. You get.
You get mental trauma and bullying the children remember for a lifetime. Mark's like, I want to be a cow. And they're like, what, Mark? That's what the spirits are telling us to do.
He's like, okay. And then a couple years later, he still hasn't taken that cow cause too much. He's all grown three feet. The cow.
Cause he's all ripped. It's all moldy, but it's still part of him. He refuses to take it off. One day he fails a Math test that he was supposed to pass.
His parents are like, mark, I can't believe you didn't. I can't believe you didn't study for the math test. He's like, my eyes are covered in mold. This costume is fused with my flesh.
They're like, what would you tell you to get up? But you're fused. Pan. I saved her mouth test.
We have no eyes. However, the toy has told us that because you do not pass your math test, I can't think of a bunch of moves and wearing a cow outfit for five years. But here's the thing. My point is, I think you guys get what I'm going at, is that when you consult, your brain's melting.
It's not odd over there. Isn't it? It's pretty odd when you console the world of spirits. I think even as an adult, to try to find out about what you should do with your love life or business decisions, you have to be so, so careful because you don't know who you're talking to.
You don't. It's the same thing. Listen, man, I could go to a financial advisor who gives me bad advice, and I can go to a financial advisor who gives me good advice, and I don't know enough about financial advising to be able to tell which one is which, But I do know they're both corporeal humans existing on this plane of existence. I know that both of them are biologically human.
And while one may give me good advice and one may give me bad advice, I'm taking advice from a human. This is completely different. Even as an adult trying to make personal decisions like love life stuff, you have to be very careful how you interact with this. And they're ra.