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There's something about it that just seems off. But one night he wakes up and realizes that the entity in this room will do whatever it takes to steal your soul. Today on Dead River Radio. Hey everyone, welcome back to another episode of Dead, Magic Radio.
I'm your host, Jason Carpenter. I'm having a great day. I hope you guys have a great day too. Hope you guys have some awesome plans for the weekend.
We have so much stuff to remember today. Let's get this bad boy started. First off running into Dead River Radio. Command everyone get on your feet and give it up for heaven bound three, two, five, six, six.
Woo hoo. Yeah, we as Angel flying around and around that radio command. Don't hit her with a fly swatter. Heaven bound three, two, five, six, six, AKA Laura.
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Tell your friends, tell your family, tell everyone to know that a radio is your favorite paranormal show. That is how you can help the show grow. And then let's take a look at the fan art Friday submission for this week. This is fantastic.
This is a painting of me, sent in by Jonathan. And if you can see, it's kind of a menage. Is that the right word? Not mirage.
It's like a, it's a bunch of little pictures from different different topics I've covered. A collage of stories. You see me here with a bottle of Robitussin. There's been a couple of episodes where I've been sick and possibly to an e-created, to actually intelligently discuss the topics.
We got a sexy gray alien. We got Bigfoot, the carboner copter, a solar plexus clown glider, and an RVs sign. It was so funny because I sent this to my mom. I sent her photo.
I didn't send her the actual painting. Jonathan sent the painting to me. We're going to hang it up here. So it'll be visible in all of our TikTok and YouTube videos and things like that.
My mom's looking at it. She's like, wow, it's amazing. But why is RVs on there? You never eat it RVs.
I'm like, oh, I know, I don't ever eat it RVs. I complain about how disgusting it is. And that is why it has been included there. And then my mom goes, why have another question, Jason?
Why is there a cobra behind you? Here's the thing. Here's the thing. My mom loves me, of course.
But she is not into a lot of this stuff, really any of it. And I then have to spend 20 minutes explaining to her not only what a solar plexus clown glider was, because that's what the cobras in reference to, but how I believe that it almost derailed my life. I'll put that episode in the show notes and I can almost, I don't know what her reaction was. I mean, she just listens to me, right?
That's my mom. She's like, hmm, okay. Oh, okay. She's probably thinking, oh man, you know, this kid, my son's mentally insane.
He thinks he was attacked by a snake at a courthouse. So thanks, Jonathan. That was a pretty interesting conversation. It was more of a monologue, really.
So I was telling my mom all about it. Two more things that we'll get the episode started first off, and I haven't announced this yet, because I really wasn't paying attention to the calendar. This is indeed the last episode of season 27. So for the next two weeks, there will be no new episodes of Dead Rabbit Radio.
We'll start back up at the beginning of April. I totally spaced on letting you guys know that that was going to happen. So we're going to take a two week break after this. I'm going to do the ghost conference, which I'll plug that right now, Oregon Ghost Conference and Seaside Oregon March 21st, 3 to 23rd.
The link to Vite tickets will be in the show notes below. Fantastic thing. I can't wait to do that. So I'm going to take next week off the week after that off, and then we'll be rolling with some new episodes.
So that there's kind of really the end of the announcements. That all being said, let's go and get this party started. Laura, I'm going to talk to you the keys to the Jason Jalabi. Everyone climb on board this rickety old honka junk.
As Laura drives us out of Dead Rabbit Radio Command, we're headed all the way out to the home of a teenage girl. We're also headed back in time, but not too far back. It's September 1985. We're headed out to this young woman's house.
She's 15 years old. You know, on the cusp of womanhood, I think, is the term. Her name's Tamara LaRoe. She's 15 years old, and she's been battling depression for a long time.
Most of her life at this point. Now, I'll be completely honest with you guys. This isn't the happiest story to end season 27 with, but maybe, right? Maybe it has a happy ending.
I think that it does. But again, you're like, I don't think she's saying the truth. Some girl killed herself. Well, yeah, but hold on, let me explain.
Let me just tell the story actually, and then it all makes sense. Tamara LaRoe is a 15 year old girl, and she had battled a depression and self-hatred. She felt like she was the cause of all the problems in the household her parents were fighting. She's just taking in all of this stuff.
This has been going on since she was six. So when she turns 15, she goes, you know what? I'm finally done with this. I just can't go any further.
I'm going to kill myself. I doubt this is the first time she's had of this thought, but this was the first time she was going to be successful. So Tamara goes and gets her mother's gun, and she puts it to her own head. She's ready.
She's ready to kill herself. When all of a sudden she hears a voice, and this voice says, no, don't shoot yourself in the head. Now, to be clear, the voice was not saying don't kill yourself. The voice was just telling Tamara, don't shoot yourself in the head.
And it actually had a pretty legit reason. The voice, she starts arguing with his voice. She has the gun to her head, and she's like, no, I'm going to blow my brain down. The voice goes, no, no, no, don't shoot yourself in the head.
Because if you survive, you'll be completely disfigured. And then all of a sudden Tamara is greeted with a flash of vision of her own face completely mangled, yet she is still alive in this vision. Tamara argues with his voice back and forth, but it does kind of click, I think, especially when she saw the vision of her own face mangled beyond recognition, Tamara then aims the gun at her own heart and praise, praise the God, please God forgive me for what I'm about to do, please forgive me. And that is the day that Tamara died.
And she knew it. She knew it instantly once that bullet entered her chest. She knew she was dead. She knew she had entered the infinite, and it is horrifying.
Tamara said she pulled that trigger, the flash of the gun, the pain of the round impacting into her chest, and then she's blind. She's deaf. She's completely cut off from reality. Tamara starts to have this incredibly odd sensation.
I mean, she's already racked up two of them. Shootin' yourself in the chest, that's novel. And then just not existing. She experienced not existing, but now Tamara feels herself propelled through the void.
And she goes, you know, she had no real gauge of measurement or time or anything like that, but she says it was like traveling the speed of light. She could feel the velocity as her soul as just speeding across this infinite realm of nothing. But this isn't a peaceful journey. It's not like she's kicking back and just enjoying the ride.
She said as, I mean, cause traveling to speed of light would be kind of cool, right? It'd be kind of dope. But she said that as she was traveling faster than any human has ever traveled before, it also feels like someone is dipping her in acid and she can feel her skin bubbling off. They don't talk about that.
It's not in Star Wars, they ever go to that and start direct. She's traveling faster than the speed of light. She can feel acid just drizzling all over her body. The pain is so intense and then the journey stops.
She can hear again now, she can see now where she's at is complete and total isolation. She is completely alone. This is the afterlife. This is where she will spend the rest of time.
She's completely alone, which sucks because that was one of her big problems while she was alive. She felt isolated that she was just wandering through this world by herself now. In the afterlife, she is truly alone and she can feel it. She can sense it.
It's deep inside of her. She'll never have human comfort again. But she's not alone. She feels alone, but she's actually not alone because what she sees in all directions around her is an endless sea of other souls.
She can hear them. They're screaming out, begging, please, a second chance. I'm sorry. Forgive me the voices, millions upon millions upon millions in every single direction.
And tomorrow is one of them now. I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Why?
All of this wailing and even though everyone is packed in, they all feel completely separate and alone. You're standing shoulder to shoulder with people you've never met. Everyone crammed in like a subway car yet inside you feel like everyone is miles apart. Screaming, the wailing.
Tomorrow said, I'm there. I'm in hell. Like this has to be what this is. And I became fear.
I became the actual emotion of fear. It wasn't that I was afraid and I was, sure. But I also became the embodiment of fear. I became the embodiment of loneliness.
I became the embodiment of pain. And I'm standing there among the sea of formless souls. Yet you knew each one was a person. Each one lived at some point as a person born, lived, and died on earth.
But just looking out of the sea, you were looking out of these souls. And each one of them, I knew everything they had done. I just knew it. Their darkest desires, their sins, their secrets.
I knew all of it. Millions upon a millions of barbaric acts, cruel thoughts perverted lusts. I knew them. I knew all of them.
I also knew the good things about them. I knew the time that they held their mother's hands as they walked through the park. I had memories of parents watching their child smile for the first time. Memories of gentle walks as the sunset over a country I had never visited.
Memories of the first loves and paths not taken. I knew everything, everything about every single person down there, everything they knew, everything they were. And all of them were screaming, please. I made a mistake.
I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Off in the distance, which is the relative term when we're talking about the afterlife, an endless sea of millions of souls. What is the distance?
Miles, light years. Tomorrow looks off and sees in the sea of souls a massive, for lack of a better term, dragon. She said it stood above us all, this creature that was more fierce than anything that had ever walked on earth is here, watching over us. It had multiple heads, each one with a face, more fearsome than the last.
This was where she was now. This is where she would always be. In the sky above tomorrow, she sees a giant hand reach down towards her. She looked up at it and she said it was the brightest light you could ever possibly imagine it.
This beautiful, warm, loving light surrounding this giant hand as it reached down and gently picked me up and pulled me out of the pit away from the dragon, away from the lost souls, still begging, pleading, praying. This hand pulled me out of this wretched place and the next thing I knew, I was in heaven. Nobody told me it was heaven. I didn't get a guidebook, but I knew where I was.
And she's there and she feels surrounded by God's presence. Pure peace, pure love, no fear, no pain, no loneliness. Tomorrow is there in heaven. She goes, this is where I'm going to be.
This is where I want to spend the rest of eternity. And I'm glad I want to stay here. But if she stayed there, would we have heard this story? Tomorrow said that she didn't get to stay.
She was removed from heaven and she saw herself coming, not from some celestial temple in the clouds. She says, no, I was off planet. I was nowhere near Earth. I actually remember coming down and I could see the Earth below me and it's getting bigger and bigger and bigger and bigger as she's coming down through the atmosphere, headed back towards her neighborhood, back towards her house, back into her body.
That's laying on the ground, a fresh bullet hole in her chest. She re-enters her body and she is rushed to the hospital and the doctors save her life, which they go, this is a miracle that she survived this gunshot and went to the chest, but she did. And that is her, but she did. And that is her story.
She ended up writing a book called The Second Chance at Heaven, My Surprising Journey Through Hell, Heaven, and Back to Life. And she's went on to form a ministry organization called Life Change International, where she does go on speaking towards you, can find several interviews where she tells this story about what happened to her when she killed herself. It's a fascinating story. Listen, I love these type of stories.
I mean, I hate that they always start off so grim, but we've covered a couple negative near-death experiences before on this show. It's one of those things that when you're a kid and you're researching the paranormal, you often hear about positive near-death experiences. And then the skeptics will say, and there's probably some truth to this. No, it's your brain being flooded with its dopamine and the bright light as you actually seeing the doctors working on you and everything like that, the tunnel of light, head of the paradise, it's all this chemical stuff, but that stuff doesn't really jive with this.
A lot of times when we look at the skeptics answer to near-death experiences, they don't take into account negative near-death experiences. There's no tunnel of light. There's none of the peace that the medication would bring. None of that.
It's getting pulled into an infinite hellscape. It does raise a bunch of questions, and I'm not talking like questions of doubting the story, because I mean, it's fair to do that too. But when you come across stories like this, you wonder, and I'm not knocking it, I'm not being like, oh, oh, you know, she shouldn't have survived either. I'm not saying that at all.
It's beautiful miracle that she did. But you think about all the other souls there in this hell region, how come they weren't plucked out? How come she was? But I do find it fascinating to this idea, and her description of hell is particularly frightening.
The idea of being surrounded by everybody and also being miles away from them. That's pretty novel. I haven't come across something like that before. The idea, because early depictions of hell were basically isolation.
You were in a void. It wasn't the fiery pit. It wasn't the, all this stuff, demons with pitch work spoken to you in the butt. It was alone.
You were alone. You were separate from all of the beauty of existence. That's one of the earliest depictions of hell. And this had that.
But it also had, imagine feeling claustrophobic. Imagine you and 30 people stuffed into a single room in your house, and you have to deal with that sensation, but you can never communicate with anybody in that room. And they don't know you're there. You don't know they're there.
But you have to deal with both the claustrophobia and the isolation. And then on top of that, you know everyone's life. You know everything they've ever done. And again, not just their sins.
That was an interesting event that she was going through. It's not that she looked over at someone who goes with that guy's a bank robber. That woman beats her kids. That guy is a tax cheat.
It's nothing like that. She knew that that guy was a tax cheat. She knew his entire life. The good and the bad.
If you look at people and only know the bad things about them and you saw them in hell, you'd be like, well, I'm not as bad as that guy, but I understand why that guy's in hell. But if you saw the whole scope of his life, the good and the bad, every soul down there is a tragic story. My guy who's a bank robber who ended up shooting an old woman during a robbery and then was killed by the police, you saw his childhood. You saw how he struggled to maintain some sense of normality with the type of parents he had.
And you watched him struggle in school. He saw him try to start a family of his own, but he couldn't do it. Well, he did, but he treated his kids as badly as his parents treated him. And you still saw him by himself going, I'm a failure of a father, I'm a failure.
How am I doing this? I hated my parents and I'm doing this to my own kids, like what's going on? You watch him descend into alcoholism, drug abuse, petty crimes, bank robbery, and then murder. So you're looking at that soul.
You don't just see the bad side of him. You see everything, the good and the bad, which makes it so much more of a sorrowful story. Now multiply that by millions and millions and millions and millions of people. You know what I mean?
It's so creepy. That is insane. That is an insane depiction of hell. So fascinating story.
And like I said, I'll put a YouTuber video or two in the show notes you can watch interviews with her. If you're interested, you can buy the book. I just was going off a YouTube interview and a couple articles to get these notes together. It's kind of like the Cliff Notes version, but fascinating stuff, fascinating stuff.
And I know a teeny, you're like, oh man, this is a franny episode, you're all sad now. And it was also interesting too. And then we'll move on to the next one. The idea about don't shoot yourself on the face.
The voice wasn't telling her to not kill herself because I think at that point, either this was a journey Tamara had to make or whatever this voice was. I mean, again, a guardian angel, you think, would be like, you know, don't shoot yourself. But it had gone on for too long. As far as the decision-making process and Tamara was determined to do it.
So the voice just said, listen, I know she's gonna do it. She's going to survive. We know she's going to survive, but if she shoots herself in the face, when she survives, she will have to have years of reconstructive surgery, she won't be able to eat, she won't be able to drink, she's gonna have all these tubes stuck down her throat and all that stuff. Shoot herself in the chest because of the voice, she knew she was going to survive this encounter.
And then showed her an image of what she would look like if she shot herself in the face. Super common, super common. This happens all the time when people don't talk about it and suicide, we talk about people who commit suicide. We talk about people who attempt suicide and we work on suicide prevention techniques.
But when you hear someone attempt a suicide, you're like, oh, someone took a bunch of pills and they woke up the next morning and they were still alive. There's puddle up the next door. There's a lot of people who commit suicide and they shoot themselves and they survive and they have no jawbone. They go to shoot themselves in the head and they flinch and they blow their eyeballs out and they're alive.
I read the story the other day about some medical professional who found a guy who tried to kill himself by electrocuting himself in the bathtub. He was found a few days afterwards, still alive. And he had such horrible burns all over his body that he had to amputate his legs and his arms and his nose had been burned off, his face had been completely frazzled. I think he was blind, but he was alive.
I mean, sat there in that bathtub for a couple of days before someone discovered what had happened and they took him to the hospital and they saved his life. But he was now a quadruple amputee who had no face and was blind. So that happens when you see about attempted suicide, though those things are there. You go to the door and you tell me this stuff or you tell me this stuff that's terrifying.
I honestly think it's part of, I think it should be part of suicide prevention. I think we should say, hey, listen, if you go to kill yourself and you mess up, all your limbs can be jumped off. Basically, you're just telling people to be more efficient at it. I don't know.
That stuff scares me. Like again, when I was a kid, I heard the story about a guy trying to shoot his face off of the shotgun and he flinched and he just blew apart his face. He was still alive, but now he had a skeleton face and he got on his bicycle and was riding around a church parking lot. I don't know if that last part's true, but I heard that as a kid and I go, whoa, my God, I hope I never commit suicide.
And if I did, I hope I'm trying to skeleton man on a bike. I mean, when I heard that story, I was seven. That was my takeaway. Terrifying story though, sad.
Glad that she survived. I'm glad that she found a purpose now. I'm spreading the story, but what a unique journey into the afterlife. Laura, let's go ahead and wrap up season 27.
I'm Natasha DeKeeze of the world, famous Carpenter copter. We're leaving behind tomorrow's house. Why don't you fly us all the way out to a home in the suburbs? This is actually, I'm pulling an audible, just kind of become normal on this podcast.
We're gonna save the story. I talked about it in the intro about, you know, a family's fight against the supernatural foe. We're gonna save that for next season. Cause that last story was a little intense and I don't have enough time to really give the second story the right amount that it needs.
Cause it takes a lot of setup. But I do want to cover this. It may seem like a simple story. It's actually a lot shorter, but I think it's the story that I'm curious to hear what you guys think about it.
Let me go ahead and tell it. Because it's kind of an interesting story, but I think the discussion around it, I'm really curious as to what people think. And really the setup is this. Would you be jealous if someone you knew suddenly developed paranormal powers?
How would that make you feel? Cause that's kind of what the story is. It's really fascinating. The story just started last year, 2024.
We're gonna meet a couple. We don't have the real name. We're gonna call it a husband Cole. He's 27 years old and his wife's name is Monica.
She's 28. And they've been married for three years. Everything had been going fine. But in December of 2024, Monica's best friend, Sarah, dies unexpectedly.
She has a seizure at work, which she has no history of seizures. She had a seizure at work. She dies. All of her friends and family members, all of her loved ones are completely in shock.
She's also like in her late twenties, very young to have a seizure and die. Well, shortly after Sarah dies, and Sarah and Monica were truly best friends. They'd been best friends since middle school. They hung out together all the time when they were kids.
Even as adults, they saw each other almost every other day. They would tell each other everything, that close bond where you have two people who are not related in any way are soul mates, but not in a romantic way, just like bonded. Well, what happens is Cole begins to have dreams with Sarah in them, but it's not just a dream. Cole knows immediately, like even while he's having a dream, because it's so vivid, he goes, something that's different about this.
Something's different about this. He's standing in his own house and in the dream, Sarah is there. And Cole's like, what's she doing here? Sarah's dead.
But Sarah just sees them and has this big smile and she gets up from the kitchen table and she runs over to them. And she's just kind of staring at them. Like she's waiting for him to say something to her and he doesn't know what to say. At that point, Sarah says, are you all right?
It's a cold, the guy who's still alive and he nods and then she says, good, I hope everybody's doing okay. And then there's just this pause. Cole looks in and goes, Sarah, what are you doing here? Sarah responds, I just needed to talk, these are actual quotes from this account.
Sarah responds, I just needed to talk to someone. I didn't have anyone to talk to and I just needed to. Before she finishes her sentence, Cole said the dream descended into this mishmash like random sounds and colors and then he wakes up. Now he doesn't tell Monica about this dream.
It's really unnerving for him because it was so real, it felt like he was actually talking to Sarah. She was alive somehow. He doesn't tell Monica about this. But he continues to have these dreams.
And in these dreams, Sarah will ask him questions like, how's Monica doing? Is someone taking care of my dog? I hope someone's taking care of my dogs and Cole's like, yeah, your brother's taking care of your dog. So she's like, okay.
How are my friends at work? She's asking these questions. Sarah's alive in a way. Her ghost or spirit wants to communicate it lonely.
I don't think this is lonely as where tomorrow is. But Sarah wants to be able to communicate and who she's talking to is Cole. And this goes on for a while. And Cole does not tell his wife anything about this.
He's just kind of unsettled by the whole thing. I totally understand. We've covered this a lot in the show. When people have visitations or dreams of especially the recently deceased, it can be upsetting if you bring it up to somebody.
And you know, Cole really doesn't know what to make of it. And this goes on for a while. But then one day, Cole and Monica are hanging out. Monica just kind of mentions, man, you know, I really miss Sarah.
Like I think about her all the time. I miss her so much. And Cole goes, oh, it's actually interesting. I mean, I miss her too.
But this is gonna sound weird. I've been having these dreams. And he begins to tell Monica about these dreams about what Sarah was saying to him and the questions she was asking, she was asking if you're okay. She was asking if someone's watching her dogs, all this stuff.
And as Cole is telling the story, first Monica's listening to him and she's like, what? What? Wow, that's crazy. You have this dream.
But the more he talks about it, he can actually tell his wife is getting really, really upset. Not sad and not reminiscing. She's getting pissed off. And so she just stops talking to Cole.
She's like, no, no, I think we're done. And just didn't speak to him for the rest of the night. And that night, Cole had a dream that Sarah was standing there and she just had this very worried look on her face. That was the whole dream.
When Cole woke up the first thing in the morning, his wife said, did you dream about Sarah last night? And Cole says, this is my life now. This is my life now. This started all, Sarah died in December of 2024.
He posted this online in February 2025 underneath the name Cole's dilemma, it's a throwaway account. And he goes, I don't know what to do. He goes because Sarah keeps coming to me in my dreams. And my wife's really, really upset about it.
And the first thing she asks me every morning is that I dream about Sarah. And I'm not gonna lie to my wife. So I say, yes, I did dream about Sarah. And it's making her more and more mad.
It's pushing her farther and farther away from me. I don't know what to do. Do we get marriage counseling? I mean, do we get marriage counseling or even know how to work with that?
The other option that he says, he goes, I don't know what to do. Like we could go to therapy. But do I tell Sarah to stop coming to me in my dreams? Cause I'm not gonna lie to my wife, but it's really making her upset that Sarah's talking to me while I'm asleep.
Super interesting story. And I think this is a good way to end season 27 because it's a dilemma with so many different layers. And I think it is something that we can kind of relate to as far as there's like someone to want to talk about with this story, but we'll keep it short. When a soul from the other side makes contact with the world of the living, that is so hard to do.
I know that us because we kind of live in the paranormal realm discussing this all the time, we're like, oh yeah, you know, Sarah could just probably create a brain link with somebody else, but it's not that easy. There's something about Cole. And Cole goes, listen, me and Sarah were close. So not that he was, it's not that she was just my wife's friend.
We were also close. In fact, when my father passed away, Sarah helped me deal with that. Like Sarah was a strong support for me. The fact that she's communicating with Cole means that she can.
If she could have communicated with Monica, she would have. If she could have communicated with her mother or her sister or anyone else, she would have. But imagine each brain is like a radio and you can have two radios in the same room, but one picks up a signal better. Whether it's because of the way it's designed, probably that right, probably has something to do with the way it's constructed or the size of the antenna or whatever.
One radio may get the channel and crystal clear. The other radio will probably get the channel but won't be as clear, more staticky. And sometimes depending on the radio, it may not be able to pick up that channel at all. When it goes to trying to reach back into our world, it's not super easy.
There are these weird things that we don't understand and that's why it's really hard to study the paranormal and ghost. So that's one thing we can look at. So if Cole says, listen, Sarah, you can't come and talk to me anymore. It's causing trouble with my wife.
And it's really interesting because remember the first time that has happened that night, in the dream, Sarah was just looking at Cole with a worried expression. So it's like Sarah is gaining information. I didn't even think about that. She knew what had happened in a way before Cole told her that night after that first fight, the dream was just Sarah looking worried.
That was the whole dream. So it's like Sarah knew that something had happened. She had known that Monica was upset by all of this. So it's interesting.
I hadn't thought of that specific moment, but if it's really, really hard for a ghost to get a hold of a human, is it right for Cole to tell that ghost, hey, listen, I'm gonna sever your connection with the living world. I know you have done what is nearly impossible because 99% of people who die do not get to contact those still alive, but you can't hang out here anymore. That would be the equivalent I feel of if you were flying a helicopter over an ocean and you saw a raft, there's a guy in the raft waving, waving to try to get your attention. And you look and you see him, but then for whatever reason, he keep flying.
Like my wife's gonna be upset if I pick you up. Bye, bye, wait. So we have that angle. There's the other angle too.
I wonder if Monica knows more about Sarah. I'm sure she does. Then Cole does. She might actually know or at least believe that Sarah has a crush or maybe even is in love with Cole because they really haven't talked this out.
Monica and Cole, when this was posted, they haven't gone to marriage therapy, counseling, counseling, whatever you call it. That would put a twist in it. If Monica says, there she's not talking about, if Monica goes listen, Cole, she's been to my friend since middle school. Before we even started dating, she told me that she was really into you or she told me that she liked you first or she did this or that or, or maybe she never even said anything explicitly, but I've always had a suspicion.
As much as I love Sarah, I always knew that she loved you. And she loved us together because she loved us separately, but she wanted to be with you. She always wanted to life with you. So now the fact that she's dead and she's in your dreams, that's concerning to me as your wife.
Because I know what Sarah's true intentions are. Now that's just, I've nothing to back that up, right? I've nothing to back that up. But that was another angle I was looking at.
It's possible Monica knows Sarah, and again, there's nothing to back that up. But do you tell a ghost to stop contacting you? Do you choose to just lie to your wife? That's an option as well, not a great one.
But if you have to tell a soul to disappear into the lonely void, she's obviously trapped between our world and the next. She hasn't really truly moved on. Do you do that or do you lie to your wife? And you'd have to lie to her all the time.
You'd have to lie to her almost every day. But then I think the other element is this, and this is how we're gonna wrap this up. I do believe that there's a bit of jealousy on Monica's part, because even though Colin, Sarah were close, Monica and Sarah were way closer, closer and friends longer. And put yourself in Monica's shoes.
That's how I was kind of reading the story as well. I go, imagine if that was me. Imagine if my best friend in the whole wide world died suddenly. And then somebody else was being contacted by my best friend in their dreams.
And my friend wasn't coming to me. That'd make me really sad. That'd make me really sad. And the guy who's having the dreams, he could go, well, Jason, you know, he actually tells me in the dreams that you're his best friend and he wants to say hi to you.
So don't be sad. He's still your best friend. But on the last night we directly went to Disneyland. Dream Disneyland, which is way cooler and half as expensive.
And we went on all the roller coasters and I'm like, oh man, why can't I be dead and be flying into people's dreams? There might be a bit of jealousy there. And honestly, I think that is the most fair emotion to have. So say, why isn't she coming to me?
It's that same thing, like he raised a puppy. And then someone comes into your life and now that person gets to know the puppy. And they've known the puppy for a couple months. You've known the puppy for years.
Just over those couple of months, all of a sudden the puppy starts liking this other guy more. And the puppy's now also going to dream Disneyland. You're like, oh, I have no friends. Oh, I wish I was a puppy and dead.
Oh, it's that thing. And I think on one level, we've all experienced that. You have a best friend and then you bring the best friend into the friend group. And then the other friends like the best friend more.
You know what I mean? Jason, wow, you're listening off a bunch of examples. You know, when you love a girl and then you introduce her to your brother. Oh, oh, oh.
And then we want to Disneyland. But then we have the paranormal element. That's what I'm talking about. Like if somebody, because this guy, Cole obviously has the ability to perceive this ghost.
He's at the right frequency. Imagine that you love the paranormal and your buddy loves the paranormal. And then your buddy, all of a sudden gains these abilities that allows them to see ghosts and interact with the paranormal in a way you could only ever dream of. No pun intended.
How would that make you feel? How would that make you feel? Would you get jealous? I think Monica feels left out and feels like Cole has this supernatural connection to her best friend.
And I think that's totally normal. That's the issue they need to work on. If there's, instead of getting Sarah to leave or even saying Sarah, why don't you talk to my wife instead? Because he didn't think about that as well.
He goes, maybe I could get her to visit Monica. But I think if she could have visited Monica, she would have. So the question is, can we get Monica and Sarah to connect on some level? And again, it probably won't be as unique as Cole and Sarah's bond or maybe you can do some sort of seance or contact and medium, but it's still gonna pale in comparison to what Cole can simply do naturally.
The very, very interesting story. It's the story of the paranormal in life after death, but it's also a story of just human insecurities and human emotions like jealousy and envy. And that's truly a beautiful thing about the world of the paranormal, wherever we go, whether it's the farthest reaches of the universe, a forest in the Pacific Northwest looking for Bigfoot, or walking through a haunted house with flashlights that are flickering, just so we scan the darkened corners for spirits that may hide behind them. It's the human element.
Humans interacting with aliens. Humans interacting with cryptids. Humans interacting with ghosts is the human element that always makes these stories so personal, but it's always that hope in the back of our minds that maybe one day we will go on one of those paranormal adventures. We will find proof, but what if you can't?
What if you just can't? Would you be jealous of those who could? I know, I'm just like that also was not the way I was thinking of any of this season. You're like, oh great, you told me story about teenage girl, you shot herself and now you're like, I wasn't jealous until you did this thing with, oh man.
Oh man, I'm not trying to make you feel good. I don't have those abilities either. And I think when I see mediums, I'm not jealous of a medium or when I see some not really jealous of a psychic, but again, if one of my friends suddenly developed those abilities, I probably would be. Cause I'd be like, how come he got that, not me?
Interesting story, the personal touch, the human touch behind the paranormal fascinating stuff. I love all this, I love all this. We're gonna be back in two weeks. Oregon goes conference March 21st through the 23rd in seaside, Oregon, you can buy tickets in the link below.
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