I didn't realize that there was a right or wrong answer to these questions. And E.P. of Bruce Springsteen covers, and that was really cool. A lot of interesting approaches to those songs.
Also, Julie had another baby since we recorded this episode, so that's why she only talks about her one child. I don't want her new baby to hear this and think that she had forgot about that happening. So I think her plan is to have a baby every time she puts out a new album. So I'm looking forward to all those babies and albums.
Here is Julia Sanders. Yeah, that was like, you know, fooling me, it's really just about being in a small group of friends and being in a sort of gossip circle for lack of a better word. You know, this small town talk that happens when, you know, people in a friend group break up and have a relationship and how that strains your friendships around you and all that. And it's a fun song for me to sing.
So many songs on there are so mellow, and that one really has a little angst to it, which feels good to break up the show with. So that one, and it was fun to record to because we got to rock out a little bit more. Oh, let's talk a little bit about the recording. So I know this was recorded in that studio you told me about it as a converted church.
It's not actually a converted church. It's so when I moved to Asheville, I moved to that. We converted it. But it is still just a small church.
Yeah, it's so in the back of the house I was living in. I was in like a little modern law partner at the house and that area, the man that went to go for a built this small chapel in the back yard. So it's like a big, beautiful backyard, small chapel, all the way tiny kids, maybe 30 people. And so I asked, you know, my landlord at the time, if I could just practice in there and play music in there because it's incredible space.
And so I was just playing around the time. And then when we were thinking of recording and looking for space, it just came up as the obvious choice because the sound, you know, we would have little shows back there. I eventually convinced them to start having all shows and back in the pre-COVID times. And it was always just like my absolute favorite place to play music.
And as a songwriter, you know, even in a show where people care and are listening, they're still talking and having a drink and hang out there friends. And there's something about being in a really intimate space like that and playing music and getting to listen to people's songs. And you know, you can't do that many because it's so focused, right? But yeah, so that was one of my favorite places to play.
And so we basically got Patrick that did the recording, his recording equipment in there and set up. And at the time we did not have your conditioning in there. It was milled with summer. It was super hot.
Now there's our conditioning, which we wish we had had it. We're all sweating. Luckily, half the band was from New Orleans, so they were used to it. And I was in my first trimester of pregnant with my daughters.
I was exhausted. It was just a little bit of a messy situation. And we knocked it out in two days, two and a half days, and then had to go back to work. Okay.
And so does he use that space for, like you said, you had a concert there, but are other people playing there and stuff too? Or is it more like just that kind of thing? So she has, you know, they do weddings back there. They do like some small events back there.
Okay. Yeah, she does like energy work and she does not back there. We've had a number of house shows there, like since I've moved out and other people have started organizing shows there every now and then, but it's not a fairly advanced space. Right.
It's one private property. I mean, I'm not saying this like to the IRS or anything. That's what you're trying to hide. No, I mean, it would be a little bit.
Yeah. It's allowed to be so. Sky goes on endlessly. Great days to come.
Go with me. Try to shake this feeling. It's nothing like me. Need a friend to call my own.
Reaching through a telephone call you just to be insane. It's nothing like me. It's nothing here like New Orleans. Heat depends a lot of trees to kiss the ground.
Made for dancing. Mississippi, where'd you go? Up here in the sleeves? No, trying to get some.
I don't have nothing. It's nothing like on its scenes. Something wrong with me. Beauty everywhere.
It's nothing like New Orleans. Seemed that way. I've been september. I'm looking through the future.
You've seen nothing. It's nothing like New Orleans. Heat depends a lot of trees to kiss the ground. Made for dancing.
Mississippi, where'd you go? Up here in the sleeves? No, trying to get some. It's nothing.
I was probably one of the earliest songs that I wrote, finished and played for other people and felt really proud of. I wrote that when I was living in Montana, which maybe you could tell from those lyrics. Montana is nothing like New Orleans now. Absolutely nothing.
I had been living in New Orleans and then moved with my partner at the time to Montana and was just feeling so isolated and far from my friends and missing the music and everything that New Orleans is, just the magical place. I wrote that. Now, singing that song, it also just feels so much about depression itself. The place that your brain is at when you're in a downswing of depression, which is something I struggle with at various times in my life.
I guess I should say it all the time, but it goes up and down. It still resonates with me so much, even though obviously I'm not living in Montana. I'm not even necessarily longing to live in New Orleans in the same way anymore. But I still really connect with that song so much because I think it's really ultimately about that feeling of distinction between where you want to be.
Can I ask you a personal question about depression? I won't use it if you don't want me to. Obviously I'm the very personal and my songwriting. It's not about necessarily your own depression.
When you tell people that you struggle with depression, experience, depression, what's the most aggravating or irritating or inappropriate response people have to that? God, I think people are mostly pretty wonderful. Oh really? That has been my experience with people in general, but I'll take your word for it.
I think, you know, I mean, I guess there's mixed feelings about medication and I start with people being like, well, you should just, you know, at some point you have to just deal with it on your own, which is an open case. And, you know, I think the thing that is hard is when people say, oh, but you have a lot of wonderful things in your life or, you know, oh, you have something to think before. And I think that makes you feel... That was my prediction.
See? That's what I thought it was. Yeah, you know, the suffering is relative and people have it so much harder than you and all that stuff. I'll try to talk you out of it.
Totally. And I think, you know, there's, of course, there is depression that is based on situational trauma, right? Like, that's real. And there's also, in addition, people who, you know, have brain chemistry for whatever reason is...
Yeah. Getting in the way of their ability to access joy, now, as simply as possible. And I think that's... And most people are a mix of those two things, right?
Like, most people who have depression or anxiety are mixed between having situations that have really harmed them and having a chemical imbalance of some kind that equates their ability to connect and find duty. You know, like, there's that line and nothing like the violence about duty everywhere, but I feel nothing. And it doesn't matter where I am in the world. If you're in a period of depression, that's how you feel, you know, that's the beast that it's, unfortunately.
Right, right. We have, in my experience, many people's experience who I think struggle with the same thing. Right. It's a lot like, because, because whether, I mean, like, people have a right to feel depression, whether it's chemical or, you know, 100% cognitive.
But it's kind of like if you came down with pneumonia and someone said, oh, but you're, you know, you can see so well, you're hearing is so great. Yeah. It doesn't make it not a bad thing to have. Like, oh, my lungs.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Just, uh, yeah, just power through it. And I think it's, I mean, I, I like to normalize talking about mental health because it needs to be normalized. And I think we all need to talk about it more because it's, you know, it's something that affects so many people.
And one of the things that you do when you, you know, have depression or anxiety is you feel like you can't share and you isolate. So I think allowing yourself to talk and connect other people and see that we're all having similar experiences in a lot of ways is, is really important. Uh, we'll also support you on that. Thank you, Tonya.
Good job. Good days are coming soon. If you wait around, eventually you'll blue. Hard times get ready.
You better make some room when you're feeling small, no ground underneath your feet. No one else around. Just your own thoughts on me. Here's a promise.
You know that time can keep. Good days are coming soon. Good days are coming soon. If you wait around, eventually you'll blue.
Hard times get ready. You better make some room. Good days are coming soon. If you wait around, eventually you'll blue.
Hard times get ready. You better make some room. Good days are coming soon. If you're feeling like this, no one else has no way.
And you're wondering how you live or start again. No, that's some day. They'll be love you, can't depend. Good days are coming soon.
If you wait around, eventually you'll blue. Hard times get ready. You better make some room. Good days.
Here's the next one. Good days are coming soon. Good days. Good days.
Good days. I wrote basically telling myself things I wanted to hear at a time when I didn't believe any of it. It came from my mom who would always be like, good days are coming. She's a positive thinking person.
I guess it just got into my loop and showed up in a song that's kind of motivational semi-cospole song. I wrote that. I was waiting to go for a dog walk on the levee in New Orleans and that good days is coming soon. Hard times get ready.
You better make some room came to me and I probably recorded it into my phone. I did it all so I don't forget it. And then I think the rest of it came later going through the different things that I wanted to hear. Is that a song you ever listened to or play it to pick yourself up?
I should. I recorded it as we were waiting for the election results and posted it on my Instagram recently. I wanted to hear it again and it was for that reason. I was like, I want to play this song again for myself.
Sometimes I do. I make a note to do something with that. I posted it. It was the day I made that video because I had been thinking about it in relationship to the election and waiting and trying to feel hopeful.
I made that video and I think two hours later they called it. My neighbor was outside banging a bell and a partner shot off a fireware. I'm like, oh, good things right now. Are we not just gonna get political?
Oh, no, no, no. He's totally getting political. I get political all his time. In fact, I'm just wondering what's happening in the world right now because we've been talking for an hour and I'm like, we're like, we're like, you're a fucking little bit on.
I've turned the notifications off. I might just be a coob being pulled out of the White House now. So far. I know.
It's really me. You know, I have a two year old and she obviously is semi-verbal right now and she understands a lot, but you know, just understand what's happening in the news. But you know, we're people who've been listening and I could just see her getting more agitated and I was like, you're gonna turn this off because she's like just picking on all of our anxiety and our energy and it's just a lot. You know, there's little energetic sponges just in your space.
I remember when I was, let's see, maybe seven or eight, I was watching the news. I was a real nerdy seven or eight years old and I would watch like Walter Cronkite every now, not every night, but every now and then. I just like, you know, like watching Captain Kangaroo or something. But one night he was talking about something.
I didn't really understand anything he said except at the end of something he just almost like flippantly said. And the ambassador said we took one more step towards aborting World War III and he just went to the next thing and I was like, what did he just say? What? And just like that stuck with me like 40 years later.
I'm like, I wonder what, I can't even remember what happened that day and I've like tried to figure it out. But I was like, oh my God. So we just narrowly avoided World War III when I was like eight years old. I don't know.
Who knows what happened? So that kind of just. I'm kind of narrowly avoid World War III all the time. Yeah, that's true.
It's probably like, if we worked in the White House and we were like, no, but we're like, oh my God. We are so screwed. Yeah. I've been wandering around this world.
Is there always found the moon? I asked her soon. Will it be that day? We start always.
Think I dream of you. What can't find me true? So if you don't mind. Let's pass sometime.
Driving home, you take my hand. Like you do always. Always. Such a little thing to keep.
But hold on always. Knew you another day. Spinning tall, future lines. They meet on this day.
Take a leap, a thousand feet. Into you. Was it in some? I've been walking on this road.
And through always. Is there always? I wrote when I met my now partner. And it's probably the happiest song on the album, I think, always.
It was also my daughter's favorite song in utero, I should say. Because I was pregnant with her when I went to the album and I kept playing shows until I was like. I couldn't hold my tar from release. It turned into a lap steal.
You're playing it disappear. Yeah, I got kind of like sideways and I would turn. Yeah, we did our album release at the double crown. I don't know, December.
And she was born in January. So that goes to show you how often she was at shows. But you know, she would have her favorite tunes in there. And she would kick me during songs.
And so that was always her favorite. I was like, it's because you're a fan. So, you know. Do you think it was her favorite because she did kick here?
Because she didn't kick you. I'm trying to think how often I kick people when I really like a song. It's different. When you're like, oh, you're going to have a snap.
So you get it. That's the only way I'm showing it. It's like when a little girl likes a little boy or a little boy likes a little boy. He might slap her tag or something.
So if you're maybe like a song. She might have been like, oh my gosh. He knows that. Yeah, she's dancing.
So tell me a little bit about the some of the musicians that you play with regularly or have recorded with regularly. So the recording is a little different than the band that I play with here in Asheville. So the recording was a good mix of French horns. Originally it was going to be John James Cordell who lives here in Asheville most of the time.
But I know from Orleans who plays pedal steel on guitar and over on pretty much produced it and helped me. You know, he's really amazing with them. Just being able to hear how a song is going to sound with all the instrumentation ahead of time. It's really wonderful.
He helped huge amount with that. And then Esther Rose who came up to sing harmony is my dear friend and my songwriting sister. She's like the person that I will always send a song to as soon as it's done and has really been just more than anyone who's helped me just find my confidence and my songwriting. So she came up to sing and also helped you with being able to visualize the final way that the songs were going to sound.
And then really before that I was just playing them on guitar and singing and sometimes having Esther sing harmony or sometimes having a wild play fiddle, but they were not a full band situation. So, and then Lyle also was from Orleans, kind of played fiddle. And then sort of with the last minute they were like, oh we should add some drums in. So he pulled in Stacy to come in and play drums and actually I've been playing with her and Meg who plays bass here now in Asheville.
And then Annie serves and plays up right bass on the album. More from Julia Sanders in just a few moments. I did want to mention that this is going to be a very long episode because we talked a lot about a lot of songs, but I don't know about you, but I feel like the time is just flying by. So almost too fast.
Don't forget you can find Julia's music at julia-sanders.bandcamp.com. Also you can find her on Spotify in a bunch of other places. Make sure to check the show notes for where to find her music. And also don't forget to follow her on Spotify and Instagram and Bandcamp so that you are notified when her new album comes out of which she is working on now.
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This is it. You've been on the show. I should have missed those good time friends. Sit around, go down, down like this.
They make me want to run. So we're just in outside life. Showcase. Showcase who beepers.
They're on sex turn and to foresee wedding just sweet. Won't you come and see? This is written here in Asheville just about my own nostalgic brain. I think I have a tendency to really romanticize the past and miss things so intensely in a way that sometimes makes it hard to be present.
I think that's what that song is about. Just missing friends and missing the past but not even in a sad way. Nothing like New Orleans is a different sort of feeling. Whereas by the glass full it's just less missing and more nostalgia.
Maybe I guess is the only way I know how to say it. And that song has also been in my head a lot in COVID quarantine times. Just missing being out friends, missing playing music, misdancing, traveling, all that stuff. It just feels like a world away right now.
So that song has felt really relevant. And definitely those lyrics come up in my head from time to time. There are some things that are starting to feel like not that they're gone forever but they're just going to be hard to get back into. If it was just gone for a month and you had a month to re-center yourself and time away.
But after going on a year you're like, I don't know how to do that anymore. I was thinking the other day about just with a podcast going out and recording a band. I don't remember everything I do. What do I take?
All that stuff. It feels like starting from scratch with a lot of things. And I think our personal space has just naturally widened. I noticed what I can do for my own bubble is definitely bigger.
I think about going to a crowded bar and partnering dancing with people. It's so crazy right now. It's been almost a year of needing to really be so strict in our isolation. But I believe it's going to come back.
I don't think we're never going to see live shows again. I don't think we're never going to dance from the crowded bars again. But it's just taking a lot longer than we all thought originally. Definitely.
Call on someone. We're written probably within a few days of each other. At most a week of each other. And I think there are like two sides of the same time in my life and two sides of the same feeling in that breakup.
Both saying like, okay, you need to give me space and you just step back and you need to let me heal on my own. Which was like calling someone and on the line which was like this. Like still feeling connected, still feeling cold. Longing face.
I don't know if I'm describing that. I get it. A different kind of a different shade of a similar emotion maybe. And they were both written within the same week and I was really struggling with letting go of a relationship and having that person close in my life again.
I think that they were both, they both came out of that and they both have very different feelings to me. Which is interesting that they're written so close together because usually for me, like I write a song and I write another song a month later. It's that and they're very, you know, they're like little time capsules to whatever I'm going through in that moment. They're their own unique thing.
It's not often that I'll write a bunch of songs in one period of time. So the fact that those both came out of the same time and they're very different in my mind. It's interesting. They're an interesting little pair.
Yeah. You know, that's I guess the reason I made that also the title of the album is it's everything on the album is about feeling connected to other people and our connections to other people. Like between breakups or new relationships or friendships like, you know, by glass wall. It's like that's a friendship song, you know, and it's like the song that I sent to a friend on her birthday about, you know, anyway.
Yeah, I guess on the line is just the reason that became the album title is just because it's about a textured one person, not song, but it overall it's implemented. I'm trying to say that. Oh, yeah. Kind of like a, I don't know, I guess it'd be the beginning, but kind of like an overture for the album.
Maybe like an estimation. Yeah. It ends up being at the end. Yeah.
Yeah. You know how they put overtures at the end now these different. I love it all. Okay.
Okay. This is a dumb question. I've got a few dumb questions. I don't want to give them to you all at one time.
Do you have this kind of a request? Do you have a singer impersonation that you do? Somebody, somebody sound like, don't do, everybody does Eddie Vedder. Don't do Eddie Vedder.
Oh, I was going to like go Joan Biles or something. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I should have told you that.
Do you have your guitar nearby? I don't put you on the spot. I don't want to give you a notice of this because I want to be more organic. I don't know.
I have to think. I wish you would give me my. I should have. Okay.
Well, think about it. Maybe something will come up. Oh, I could have that. I do.
Yeah. Just a full line from beginning to end. Okay. Gosh.
When you think that life has get you down. Okay. Please let down your hair. That was wonderful.
Yeah. Why do more people do Nico impressions? That's a great question. Yeah.
Wow. I'm definitely using that. Please don't. That's funny because I do a, I'm not going to do it for you now because I'm the one asking the questions, but I do an impression of, um, God, what's his name?
God. What's his name? He was in the, well, but underground. The.
Lue Reed. I do. Lue Reed, but singing Bob O'Reilly Teenage Wasteland by the who. Well, that's not it.
But with the sweet Jane chord progression because I have a similar chord progression. So I do. Lue Reed singing that song with the sweet Jane corporates. I'll send you a good.
I'll do it. Yeah. We'll see. You'll see it one day.
I'll put it on mine or something. You'll never see me do anything. But it was the one that I wrote most recently when we reported the album. I guess that makes me sense.
And that one is really just, you know, it's about being an adult, having a history, having a past and then coming into a new relationship and just finding a way to, you know, take what has served you and let the rest of it go and like also with each other person that has a whole history and a whole life. And just sort of leaving behind the things that aren't serving you anymore, which is the, the most part of it. Is that intentionally, I mean, that's kind of a good ending for the album. You're kind of leaving things behind.
How much did you think about song placement on the album? That one, I definitely wanted to end the album with that one. And I wanted to start it with like the smoke because I think that it really, we were talking about overtures, but it almost like, you know, I think it introduces like my mindset as a, as a person looking for love or searching for home or place and what sort of the rest of the album is about. And then I think that's what this big open question and then it ends with better run, which is sort of more about being in a place where you're processing everything that's happened and then, right, things go.
And then in between a lot of it was just based on songs and how they sounded together and what, you know, sort of balancing out the slower songs and the faster songs, but the first and last song was definitely intentional in that way. I've seen, I've seen a few people comment non musicians, like music appreciators, I guess, that they think musicians don't think about the album or the track order because everything's just out streaming and everything. But I think musicians do, I think if you make it, if you put out an album, even if you put it on band cap and not a physical CD, you're thinking about the order. It's not, you know, I don't know anybody that just said, oh, I just did it randomly or alphabetical or something like that.
No, I don't think so. I mean, and also I listen to a lot of records and I love the feeling of listening to a record and the timing of listening to a record. Yeah. Yeah.
So that was in my head. If it's within half, I did in my mind imagine if it was going to be a vinyl someday with split half. And I think that it would end, I'm going to get it. Okay.
Yeah. So that means the first half of the record. So in my imagination, if it was ever made into a record, like a vinyl, that it would end with nothing like New Orleans on the A side and then start with Good Days on the B side. Oh, yeah.
Which would be nice. Right. Right. But obviously that kind of a cliffhanger, not a cliffhanger, but it is.
And also that sort of how it felt like it was like, Good Days was like the end of my time in Montana and then picking up and moving back to New Orleans. And that's really when I had this big burst of songwriting at that time where most of the songs on this album came from. But Good Days was one of the earlier ones that I wrote there. So there's another one I should have asked you in advance.
Do you have a music or a singing tip or a mini lesson that you could give or tell people? Music. I'm really not a great guitar player. No one wants me to teach them guitar.
You know, I think that like the greatest tip that I have for myself to share is just to not get in your head about it and to not be afraid and to just be bold. I think with singing, with songwriting, you know, the thing that really messes you up is just being afraid to sing from your soul and to write from your soul and to share that. You know, just trust that either the audience is friends or people you don't know. Who cares?
Call me where, call me green. Call me chick-doo. I'm a woman in between. Thought I knew her but you're the line gasoline.
He's no wonder I'm a woman. Who would you only throw? Where you're near but you always feel alone. Who are the things?
So that's a newer one that I wrote since my daughter's been born. I think we touched on this earlier just this idea of like, now my life's in a different place. And what am I writing about if I'm not writing about breakups and all that? And going through this huge transition into being a parent and some other hood.
You know, it's enormous. And it's not something that there's a lot of songs out there about. There's like a few that are out there like Brandy Carlisle's The Mother's and that song that like, I think I listened to that song every day after my daughter was born because I just felt like, Oh, okay, there's somebody else out there that has had this experience. Because music is how I connect to other people's emotional experience.
So to hear someone else voicing some of those things, like just both the love and the like complete, Oh my God, what have I done? Where is my life anymore? You know, that feeling was so amazing. And so that's where, you know, one of the things coming from that place, and I, you know, that hopefully it will be time to record coming up here in the next year or so.
And that's what most of the songs that I've been writing have been more about, you know, maintaining relationships and being in relationship as opposed to like breakups and get together and, you know, myself and my awareness of being a mother and woman and changes and all those things. Have you ever written a song for your daughter or like a children's song or anything like that? Dreamers Waltz, which is on that recording I wrote for her when I was pregnant with her. Oh, okay.
We don't talk about it now. Yeah, you'll jinx it. Okay. What do you have a favorite show that you ever played?
Oh, man, that's hard. I love the album release that we did at the Double Crown. That was so just joyous and wonderful and all of our friends were there and dancing. And that album was such a labor of love and it was just so great to see it.
Any of the little house shows that we played at that chapel in Israel, I love those. It's true. We could talk a lot like we used to do. It's only me and you're so upset.
It was the table that's about that burning tree. You'll see what's perfect. It's only me and you. It's really bluesy for me.
Different kind of style in a way, I think. That was this idea of how can I write a love song about being in relationship versus coming in and out of it. And that sort of longing that you have for your partner when you're with someone, but maybe you're just busy in your own lives and you're doing your own thing and you just sort of get lost in the day to day. You miss that connection that you have where it's just you two and you're the only two people in the whole world.
Obviously that's not how it is for me in my partner anymore. That's interesting because you were talking earlier about not having, I like being kind of settled, but you've also talked about probably seven, eight, ten different situations that while you're still settled, you're still writing songs about other things. The situations come up or things come up that don't have to do with necessarily a relationship not being settled, but you're finding those things, those parts of an existing relationship to write or talk about. Right.
That's hopefully we're not settled. Hopefully we're still evolving and changing and growing and things are different all the time and we have challenges and sort of pretend that we're only ever going to write songs about following and love or breaking up doesn't give value to all of the emotional depth that is in a relationship with another person. Yeah. Exactly.
It goes and flashes like with your own. While you're sleeping, hope that you're through. Laying in a place that is all that you know. Dream where never like changing, returning.
I get so scared that I lose what these true. One tiny something I could be brave. Someone like you dream. Wish I could tell just enough.
Wish I knew what they'll never stone. Never show. Jimer's Waltz was one that I wrote for my daughter. I wrote it while I was still pregnant with her.
Someone had told me that babies dream in utero. I was like, what are they dreaming about in there? That's a tangent that we could go off of. What are they dreaming about in their lives?
Is it just lights and colors and sounds? What is happening? I was thinking about that and also just where we were in the world. Trump wasn't elected yet.
I don't know. It's been a long four years. How does your daughter, we can do the math right now. She's not turned to.
You're trying to on her behalf block Trump out of her life. I am. She was born in the middle of the Trump administration. I remember thinking right now she has everything she needs.
She has no fear. She has no pain. She has no struggles. That's crazy.
As soon as she gets out in the world, you can't keep your kids from living their lives and experiencing all the things that made us who we are. As a parent, it's so overwhelming to feel that way. It's a very sweet song, but it came from this place of deep protection over her at that time. This is dumb because now I'm focused on what a baby's dream about.
I'm trying to think of what do they see? What do they do about? How dark is it in there? You can't ask them because they're aloof about it.
You can shine flashlights. They might be screaming at kids and spleen and stuff. They might be screaming at kids and spleen and stuff. They're just like flipping around.
I know they're going all through. You see a little hand coming up here. I know that. I know that.
Is that the technical term for it? Is that the technical term? They're in a sack. Oh, yeah.
They're in an amiastic. I know. I took a class. I didn't do very well.
I don't know how they know babies dream. I was drinking milk but it wasn't milk. I can't explain it. I think they're brain waves.
I think they're brain waves. That's probably what it is. Science. I was a year's but then I was a little bit nervous.
Here's another dumb question. This is a test. Do straws? I have a terrible accent.
Do straws have two holes or one hole? One. It goes all the way through. That is correct.
There was a right or wrong answer. That was a clear. What's a genre or a song or two or an artist that you listen to and like that people wouldn't expect it? It would be surprising.
I don't think he's surprising. I still listen to you. This is when there are no correct. There's a couple of wrong answers.
I was getting high school through college and I was like exclusively listening to a right girl punk music. Oh yeah. I wanted to be like half a canner from Bikini Kill. That's what I wanted to do.
Which is probably different than the current situation. I don't know if I sat down and listened to a Bikini Kill. Not that anyone sits down. With a smoking jacket on Pike.
I'm a lion. It's just listening to some of Chippin' Grad a few nights. I'm not sure. I'm not sure.
I'm a Saturday. But I do love the city of Kenny. Oh yeah. Do you think you might do that again?
Like maybe when your daughter's older, maybe you just like play bass for a right girl band or something like that. Brad, I don't know that I have that much angst anymore, honestly. Well, I mean, you just play bass. Yeah, I guess I'm just playing.
It's probably going to be like my daughter's bandage. Yeah, that'd be great. All the songs will be like, my mom sucks. When I was like just starting to play music, I went to high school with, but I didn't know.
But I only knew him because we both had both terrible bands. But his uncle was in his band. And his uncle was probably almost over to be his grandfather. But it was like a bluegrass band.
So a bluegrass band is weird because you can have five generations in bluegrass band. But what was the only band? That's not weird at all. That'd be interesting to us.
So you can have different generations, bluegrass, not really rock bands. It just doesn't fit. Yeah. Folk bands.
Yeah. Just like feels like folk bands, definitely. That song is kind of the same. This is kind of the same question.
But do you have a song that is like a guilty pleasure that you like, that you might think is a bad, I don't like to judge songs. But I like, call me maybe. It's one of my favorite songs in the world. Yeah, I love that song.
Let's do it all the time. I mean, you don't know what I listen to otherwise that might be. That's just so positive. You know, I feel better when you hear that song really.
My father is currently learning how to potty trains. We've been listening to potty in the USA. Whatever she is. It's just party in the USA.
But I'm saying potty in the USA. You didn't have to. I don't know how dumb you think I did. I don't know how dumb you think I did.
I'm a potty out there. Right. I mean, it's like a good song, but after about seven times, that's really nice. Yeah.
Are we talking about party in the USA or potty in the USA? Party. There is no kind of thing. It's me.
There might be like a kids bop version of that. There should be. Okay. I want to thank Julia again for being on the podcast.
She's had a great time talking to her and recording the band live. I've forgotten to mention that before. Those last three songs you heard were live versions of songs that will be on her new upcoming album. And also that was recorded at the Mothlight in Asheville, which is since closed down was kind of a victim of the pandemic.
Just a great place to go and listen to music and record music if you're a podcaster. One more time you can find Julia's music at julie as Sanders dot bandcamp dot com and also find her on Spotify. And a lot of other places will have links in the show notes for that. If you haven't already subscribed to the podcast, then go do that right now.
WNC, Original Music, wherever you get your podcasts. The closing song this week comes from Riley Downs. Riley is an alt country artist originally from Texas and now living in Chicago. She's starting a series where she releases a single a month and the first one came out on February 12th.
And she's leading the podcast play it this week. You can find her music at Rileydownsmusic.com and of course in the links in the show notes. Here is Riley Downs. Have a good week.
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