A security guard at a hospital, doing his rounds, meets an odd doctor, staring at a whiteboard. And then we meet three young kids hanging out in the backyard, just having fun. But this afternoon is going to be anything but a friendly adventure. In fact, what these boys experience will tear their friendship apart.
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Join us for Dead Raver Radio horror movie club. Okay, Matt, Matt, let's go ahead and get this party started. I'm going to go ahead and toss you a new vehicle. I throw it so I can catch it.
He's like, what type of vehicle can you throw and catch? Matt, Matt, go ahead and put that on. You're back. It's the Dead Rabbit Rucksack.
Everyone else climb inside. We're like Yoda to zang it off of Luke's back. Matt, we have great knees. Everyone climb inside the Dead Rabbit Rucksack is Matt.
Matt, Matt, carries us out of Dead Rabbit. He's all dying. He dies. He dies right away.
Matt, Matt, carry us out of Dead Rabbit Radio. He didn't walk. He's like, can't we take one of these vehicles? Can I just throw the backpack at the Jason's lobby?
Nope. You got to carry it, buddy. Matt, Matt's carrying the Dead Rabbit Rucksack. We're tucked inside all comfortable.
Why don't you walk out of Dead Rabbit Radio Command. We're headed all the way out to, which is probably where you're going to have to go anyways. We're headed all the way out to a hospital. Ugh.
Sounds effective. Just a guy walking. So feet hitting the ground. Ugh.
Ugh. Ugh. Oh my back. That's the sound effect.
I think I'm going to start using that all the time. It's like the funniest vehicle. Matt takes us all the way to the hospital. We jump out.
We wave goodbye to him. He's being wheeled into operating these neat, titanium knees and titanium hips. But inside the rest of us casually walk inside this hospital. We're about to meet a security guard.
We don't have his real name. We're going to call him Philip. And Philip works as a security guard in this hospital. He's working the late shift.
And you know, it's a pretty chill job. I'm sure every show often you got to wrestle some mentally ill man down to the ground. He's screaming. He's like, oh no, you don't understand.
You don't understand. I had a million people in a backpack when they're like, give them more drugs. I'm like, no, no, I need new legs. I need new.
Security guard in a hospital probably ever so often. You strap a mentally ill man down to a gurney. Maybe depending on the area. Some guy comes in with a gunshot and the killers come in to finish him off.
But probably not. Let's see lives in Don Wu's neighborhood and they're shooting a movie. Most of the time, Philip's probably just walking around a show of force, right? Just to keep all of the maniacs in line.
Actually, why do you need a security guard at the hospital? One of those two things aren't happening. I'm sure mentally ill people are constantly running around attacking people. But other than that, I mean, unless you're like in LA, which you probably just, all the doctors probably have to carry guns there.
Other than that, I mean, you're just going to walk around and let some old lady, like, pops out of a doorway and goes, oh, where's my meds? And he's like, okay, all radio. She's like, thank you. I got to be it.
Why do you need a security guard at the hospital? Philip is living home. Philip's on easy street. He's a security guard at the hospital.
He does nothing but walk around all day and all night in this case. He's making his rounds and he's walking through the surgery wing of the hospital. And you know, it's pretty boring. Here's the screens of maniacs three stories below him.
He's like, oh man, I wish I was down there. Oh, this is so boring over here. I bet you they're having lots of action. He's walking around a surgery wing when he sees a doctor standing there, staring at a whiteboard.
Now, the whiteboard has like patient information or room numbers, stuff like that. It's not just a blank whiteboard. There's writing on the whiteboard and there's doctors studying it completely oblivious to Philip, who's walking down the hall. But Philip, when he approaches the doctor, he goes, hello, doctor, very casual.
The doctor doesn't respond. He just keeps looking at the whiteboard. And Philip is like, that's kind of a jerk move, right? You know, you can at least acknowledge, even if you're not going to see something, you could like motion with your hand, like, yeah, I heard you about here, something, even just the high, or hello, would have surprised.
Philip thought it was kind of rude, but Philip had also been told by some of the other security guards on the job. He's relatively new working here. Some of the other security staff said, listen, we got a doctor. He's just a real jerk.
Philip hadn't met this jerk doctor yet. So he kind of thinks, well, that must have been who they were talking about. Like you say, hi, he doesn't even respond. Philip continues making his rounds.
The doctor continues studying the whiteboard. When Philip finishes his rounds, he heads back to the security station. For one of his coworkers, we will call Jimmy. He's sitting there.
And Philip walks in and goes, yeah, I just did all of my rounds. I'm coming back in. You know, sit down, rest my legs a little bit. You guys fight any maniacs lately?
And Jimmy goes, well, you know, we didn't have a melee down in the emergency room. We beat up a couple of doped up crazy people. It was kind of boring. It was the fifth one we had this week, you know?
You upstairs, you got it good. You're not one of us downstairs, Ian's. And Jimmy and Philip are talking to Philip goes, oh, you know what? I think I ran into that jerk doctor you guys were telling me about.
And Jimmy goes, oh, yeah, yeah, you ran into him. Yeah, yeah, I think I saw him in the surgery wing. And Jimmy kind of stops for a second. And he goes, well, was he standing up there looking at the whiteboard?
Philip goes, yeah, yeah, I was just standing there. And I said, hi, I didn't even respond. He was just looking at all the data on the whiteboard back there. And Jimmy goes, oh, yeah, you ran into him.
So it's like, yeah, yeah, you're right. He was a jerk. Jimmy said, you know, the surgery wing is closed this time of night. Actually, you know, past the 930, what they do is they move the patients to a monitoring ward because they're not doing any surgeries this late.
So there are no patients up there. There's no doctors up there either. Philip's like, what are you talking about? I ran into it.
There was a doctor. You even knew what he was doing. He was standing in the whiteboard. Jimmy goes, yeah, you just met Dr.
Lewis City. That's not the jerk we've been telling you about. In fact, the doctor doesn't work here anymore. In fact, the doctor's not alive anymore.
Many, many years ago, Dr. Lewis City did work at this hospital. And he was a surgeon. He worked in the surgery ward.
But one night, he walked up to the roof, walked over to the helipad. And jumped off the building and killed himself. And ever since then, there have been reports, sightings of him. They're always the same.
Staff will see Dr. Lewis City standing there in the surgery wing, steady in the whiteboard. What's interesting about the stories, in one hand, you look at it and you go, the very traditional ghost story. It's what we would call a residual haunting.
The idea that somebody did something so much in life or they were so invested in something while alive, that after they died, an image of them will continue doing that same act. But the soul is gone. This isn't a ghost you can interact with. A lot of times, these are associated with hearing the piano playing in a house when no one's anywhere near the piano.
It's this ghostly melody. If you observe it, sometimes you might actually see the keys being pressed. But there's no way to interact with that spirit. You can't walk up and say, hey, do you know Timber?
Do you know Timber by Kesha featuring Pitbull? And then you just hear a dang. All the keys stop and there's a moment. And then another moment.
And then you start hearing. You're sitting there dancing in a pitch black room as this piano is playing Timber by Kesha featuring Pitbull. Wow, that was fantastic. Can you like beat it by Michael Jackson?
That's thriller you idiot. You're all slapping and invisible ghost. You can't interact with that spirit. Spirits seeing the woman in the old timey dress walking around her house.
It's not a soul that you can interact with. That's what we would call a residual haunting. And on its face, that's what this seems like and easily could be. Because it's been lasting for so long.
Seeing him studying the whiteboard at work. But it's sometimes it's really hard to know whether or not it's residual or whether it is a soul that you can interact with. Whether it is actually the ghost of a human who once lived. That can conversate with you.
That can change what it does. A lot of times these are when people's like grandma dies and they see grandma peeking around the corner of the living room or tucking in the baby at night. You can catch it on ring video. You see little blink it.
Pull up the baby. The baby's all tucked in and the grandma starts dancing to beat it. You're like, oh, it's pretty snazzy. Grandma did always love that album.
She's grabbing her crotch and the air. You're like grandma. You can stop doing that. Especially in the baby's room.
Anyways, the point is that the ghost you can't interact with and ghost you can interact with is the two differences. What is this ghost? He was supposed to go online by someone going by the name addicted punk. He posted a story and that was the only time that he had seen this guy.
He doesn't make any remarks about seeing him afterwards. I wonder if this is not a residual haunting. Think about it. This ghost who has, well, he was alive, had all of this knowledge about surgery.
He was a surgeon. He had all this medical training. Now as a ghost, could he still be helping the patients at this hospital? Is he studying that whiteboard in real time?
Is he looking at it and he goes, oh, I see right here. Jonas. Mr. Jonas Johnson.
He has appendicitis. Now as a ghost, I can look into his body and I can fix his head and the guy's screaming. He sees his phantom. This ghost sticks his head inside of Mr.
Johnson's body. Dr. Lucid he goes, wow, not only does he have appendicitis. It looks like his colon is inflamed as well.
It's like a blast. For the next three days, patients moving out. Maybe I should tell the other doctors what's going on with his colon. Now Dr.
Lucid he is flying through the hospital. Jason. No, nothing happened. No one reported a ghost.
He's headed a human body and then we go to the hospital like gasper. He's invisible, right? He's just totally invisible. And then the doctor on duty is sitting there and he feels this weird ghost voice in his head.
He's going, check. He says, check the colon. The doctor's like, what? Is that me?
There's 500 patients in the hospital. Who's colon do I check? He grabs a big box of gloves. He's like, it's going to be a long night.
Ladies and gentlemen, I've got a lot of colons to stick my fingers inside. It's possible that he's still helping out the patients. That's what I'm wondering. Because even though the whiteboard's the same, remember the information's changing daily.
If not hourly, talking about patients and when people are going to the room and updates and all that stuff, and then the surgery time is you might actually be studying that information. And that would be super interesting because who would be better to help patients than a dead doctor? Because you would know everything about human biology and then he could like, no. He could know why they were sick, but that's why they have microscopes.
That's why doctors have X-ray machines and stuff like that. But imagine, and then I just had another thought pop in my head. We'll move on to the next story, but imagine this. What if he's not helping the patients?
What if he's looking at that board and he goes, oh, yes. Ms. Clarice Thompson. She's not going to recover from this illness.
She has sepsis and diabetes. Syobedis? Oh, looks like I'll have a new friend to join me in this haunted hospital. Maybe he's looking at all the names and thinking, oh, yes.
Look at this guy. He's the name's Tommy Jones. Tommy Lee Jones, famous actor. He's in this hospital.
Man, I can't wait to get his autograph. And then, you know, maybe he's like just looking for like people who are going to die soon. Like he wants them to die. He sees a guy and he's like, oh, this guy might actually recover.
But maybe. He can over vials and stuff like that. Doctor Lucetti's standing there. Hahaha.
That's it. Another soul over in my haunted hospital. Listen to me, honestly, I was like, maybe what's helping people. The more I thought about it, the more I said it, they only have one sighting of him.
I mean, he's seeing multiple times and he's always doing the same thing. Maybe Doctor Lucetti is helping out subliminally or subconsciously. Or maybe he's just fine on the hospital when no one can see him. Or maybe he's just a ghost of a dead guy.
Which that actually, imagine dying and then being stuck at work for the rest of your existence. Your ghostly existence, you're just standing there. We've covered stories like that before. This guy's literally just standing here.
Sometimes they're helping move boxes and stuff like that. You're like, guys, we've got a huge load coming in today. Luckily, many of your workers have died over the years. So we have a ghost for us.
You guys ever seen the Lord of the Ring movie where all the ghosts showed up at the ending? They were like, yeah. We have that same thing, but manual labor. So you see all these boxes floating around the store.
You can put on the shelf. You're trapped there as a ghost. Maybe he is just a residual haunting staring at a whiteboard. But it would be cool if he was actually saving patients to this day.
Matt, Matt, let's go ahead and talk to the keys to the world of famous Carboner Copter. We're going to leave behind this hospital. Why do you fly us all the way out to Canada? Canada, where the hospitals don't have security guards, but it takes you eight months to get a minor thing checked out.
We're headed all the way up to Canada. Specifically, we're headed to Windsor, Canada. That's in Ontario. It's July, 1975.
We're about to take a look at the story of four boys. We don't have their real names. But the guy who reported the story first, we're going to call him Paul. He's 12 years old.
We're also going to meet his brother, who we will call Mike, and then their friends, Ben and Alan. They're all around the same age, all around 12, 13, all around there. It's a normal summer day in Ontario, Canada. We're hanging out with these four boys.
They're in the backyard sitting at a picnic table that's in their backyard. That's kind of chill, right? We have a picnic table that's behind Alan's house. That's where they're all hanging out.
Kind of the layout of his neighborhood is you have Alan's house and it's kind of a string of homes for this suburban neighborhood. And then off in the distance, we're actually pretty close, but not right next to him. There's a field. There's a small field that has a path that kind of takes you behind all the houses and the neighborhood.
This path, if you continue on, it's course goes behind all of the houses and eventually leads to the neighborhood park and out past the small field. So Alan's house, all the neighborhood path behind all the houses, then a small field. And then at the end of that small field, there is a four foot tall wire fence. And then right behind that was a man made hill that helped dampen the sounds of the train nearby, this little community that's been developed.
This is kind of the layout of it. So anyways, these boys are just hanging out in this area hanging out at Alan's house. In 1975, having fun being little guys. When all of a sudden they see a boy around their age walking down the path towards Alan's house.
And Paul looks at him and Paul recognizes him. Paul recognizes him. He knows who he is. So did his brother Mike.
Mike knew him. Ben and Alan. They all knew who this guy was. But at the same time.
So this is interesting. Paul, when he told this story decades later, he said, when I saw the boy walking towards us, I knew who he was. I just knew that he was a guy I knew. And even nowadays, when I look back on the story, I know that I knew then and know now who that boy was.
But I cannot remember anything about him. I can't remember his name. I can't remember how I knew him. Can't remember where he lived.
But I knew him. The boy walks up to the group of kids and he goes, Hey guys. Hey guys, you want to see something weird? They're like, what boy doesn't want to see something weird?
They're like, uh, yeah, sure. He goes, guys, come with me. I'm going to show you a giant spider. Okay.
I mean, they're just sitting around on a picnic bench. That sounds pretty dope. A giant spider who doesn't want to see a giant spider outside of their house. Paul and the crew leave the picnic table, begin following this boy down the path.
They're all the way almost to the park when the boy stops and points off towards the fence. That wire fence that runs along the field. Now it's not super far off. It's fairly close.
He points over towards the fence. It's not that far off. And the boy goes, look, there it is. Look, look at that giant spider.
Paul looks over and he does indeed see a giant spider, but bigger than he ever expected it to be. Someone says, hey, you want to see a giant spider? You're thinking, I don't know how big is that going to be the size of a quarter. It's not that big.
The size of your hand. I'd be a big spider. Paul looks over and what he sees as a spider that was at least three feet tall. And Paul goes, it was so easy to gauge the height because I knew how tall the fence was.
The fence was four feet high. So this spider was almost all the way to the top. That's how he knew at least three feet tall. He said it was black and tan colored.
And he had these long legs, the legs are at least two feet of the height. But they seem to be incredibly skinny, which would match what a spider looks like. But what Paul's really trying to figure out then and now, he goes, I get a spider has a big body and little legs. But when you scale something up, it looks really, really weird.
And this had to be fake, right? He's looking at it. And again, when he remembers back, he goes, this had to be like something somebody built. This had to have been like a prop or a prank.
But the size of it with those skinny legs, I don't really know how that would have worked. How you could have made it so stable. He also said, you know, this is 1975. So it's not like they had a ton of special effects.
You could have a crew come out and do this. Who would do it? What would be the point? And it was moving.
So it wasn't a statue. Was it just a prop? He goes, I could see it move slowly. Yes, it was moving very, very slowly, but it was moving.
So again, it really, he's like looking at it and he goes, that is a real giant spider. That's all Paul remembers about that day. He remembers the boy. He remembers the walk.
He remembers looking at the spider and watched it move. And then he goes, I don't even remember how I got home. Like I have no other memories about that day. I also don't remember ever seen that boy again.
And it was such a bizarre experience. Because remember he wasn't alone. He had his brother and two friends with him. He goes for a while.
We didn't talk about it. Like I remembered it. And I knew that it happened, but we never discussed it with each other. But then, I mean, it wasn't a long time they didn't go without talking to each other about it.
There was just, you know, a couple days a week or two. But what happened was they began to tell other people about it. They began to tell their friends. Hey, you want to hear something crazy a couple of weeks ago?
We were all hanging out at my house. Saying that with Paul and Mike and Ben and this kid came. This kid that I knew, what was his name? I don't remember.
I just, we knew him. He told us he was going to show us a giant spider. So Alan told that story to his friends and Ben told his own version, which pretty much matched up, right? We saw this kid.
We knew him. What was his name? I don't remember what his name was, but we knew him and we saw a giant spider. Paul is also telling his own friends about it.
So this group of four boys, they're not talking to each other about the story. They begin talking to others. And as now you have other kids talking about this experience the four boys had, Paul begins to realize there are some huge differences between their stories. Paul and Alan said they walked along the path with the boy that they both knew, but they couldn't remember his name.
They couldn't remember how they knew him. They get near the park. He points in near the fence was a four foot tall spider with giant legs. And it was moving.
But Mike and Ben say, oh, that's not what happened. That's not what happened. And this is the version they told their friends. We were all hanging out at the picnic bench.
The boy showed up. We knew who he was, but if he asked me the name, I'm not going to be able to remember. Neither of us can. None of us can.
He took us down the path to the park and he showed us a spider that, I mean, it was bigger than a normal spider. It was about four or five inches tall. And Ben's story was the same. Yeah.
Yeah, I was kind of disappointed. They kept talking about a giant spider. The boy that we, I don't remember his name, but we went down. Showed us a spider bigger than normal.
It was about four to five inches tall. I wouldn't want to see it in my sink when I wake up in the morning, but. So they didn't tell each other these stories, right? They were not talking to each other about it.
But when they told their friends and their friends started talking, that caused Paul and Alan and Mike and Ben to begin to talk about it with each other. And Paul and Alan are like, dude, that was the biggest spider in the world. It was the size of a small horse or a big dog. Mike and Ben are like, dude, it was tiny.
I mean, bigger than normal, but no, dude, it was huge. It was almost to the height of the fence. I mean, I've never seen any insect that big. It's an arachnid.
You know what I mean? They start fighting. They start arguing about this. Now that it's become like this neighborhood story, it's constantly getting brought up.
And there's such a huge argument that goes on and on and on over how big of a spider was. Paul says, eventually we just stopped talking about it because we can never come to an agreement over how big it really was. A few months after this happened, Alan moves away. And so does Ben.
Paul said they both moved away unexpectedly. So like their family just picked up all their roots and took off. Not only did his friends been an Alan, two different families, right? Ben and Alan move away.
Paul said I've never been able to get ahold of them since, either one of them. As a kid, it's difficult. Right? 1975 would be hard.
He goes even as an adult. I've never been able to contact either of them. Paul said that him and his brother still lived in the area, but they noticed something different since that day. They didn't pick up on it at first.
It wasn't like they were able to go after this day this happened, but as time marched on and they were able to look back, they both believe that their medical problems started after this event, after the day of the giant spider, or bigger than usual, but nothing impressive spider, depending on who you ask. Paul said both me and my brother begins to suffer from autoimmune illnesses. I'll reach the quote. He says, quote, strange autoimmune illnesses and allergies since that day, unquote.
So while it hasn't, you know, completely ruined their lives, an autoimmune disorder is nothing to sneeze at. And again, they didn't, when they started developing these weird disorders, they didn't immediately go, oh, it's because of the spider. He goes as time moved on, and these things continue to happen to us. Looking back, we go.
That's really weird because we didn't have any issues with strange autoimmune disorders before that day, but since then, it's been something that we've had to deal with. Twenty five years later is when Paul ended up reporting the story to UFO researchers. So that would have been the year 2000 is when he told this narrative. It was posted on the National UFO Research Center website.
That's where it's posted. And long strictly from phanoms and monsters recently brought it back up. That's why I found it. So tip of the hat to phanoms and monsters.
I love that website. Twenty five years later, when he told the story to UFO researchers or wrote the story into UFO researchers, he said, to this day, I still haven't been able to get a hold of Alan or Ben. No idea what happened to them or why they left. To this day, I don't remember who the boy was.
I don't remember his name. I just know that I knew him. And even today, I know that I knew him. Like, I know that I knew who this guy was.
I just can't tell you anything about him. Still have both me and my brother still have issues with autoimmune deficiencies disorders. Both of us still have these allergies that we didn't have before that day. And to the say, I don't remember what happened for the rest of that day.
I just remember seeing the giant spider and then I don't remember anything for that day. However, he said, sometimes when I'm really relaxed, let's say I'm just sitting there and everything seems to be going so chill. I'm daydreaming. My mind is just wandering.
Every so often, I'll get a flashback. I remember something now. That's four boys. After we saw the spider.
I remember us being taken from there to another location. But I don't remember where. I don't remember why. And I don't remember who took us there.
It's an interesting story. It's funny because on the face of it, you go, is this alien? It's posted by the National UFO Research Center. Like that's where you find this original encounter.
And it does in theory seem like that. We have wiped memories and lost time. But there's so many other things about it that I don't know if it's an alien abduction. It easily could be.
But let's break this down. I'll try to keep it concise because I can really spiral out on this one. It's in the middle of the day. It's in the middle of a suburban neighborhood.
We don't have many alien encounters where those two things are there. One of them is a very famous one. There's two that I can think of off the top of my head. It's the Ariel school.
I think it was in Zimbabwe. I'll post the episode in the show notes. It's a very well-known alien sighting. A UFO landed right outside of a school.
And all the school kids saw it. It's really interesting. And documentaries on it, they've re-interviewed these kids as adults. And they're like, I know what I saw.
The teacher tried to convince me that wasn't there. But I know what I saw. And then we did an episode which is far less well known encounter. But I think it's one of my favorite UFO stories.
It was the Casablanca incident, which was a suburban neighborhood in the middle of the afternoon where a group of kids were attacked by seemingly interdimensional aliens or interdimensional robotic beings of that episode in the show notes. It's one of my favorites. I don't know if we've ever done a rerun on that. We have in the middle of the day in the middle of a suburban neighborhood.
Those don't usually, for the most part, happen during alien abductions. The idea of the giant spider of something existing that shouldn't exist, we do have stories of aliens creating illusions to trick people. We have a story about the alien who opened up a gas station, but couldn't get it right. Like the signs are almost simple.
That episode of the show notes are really like that story too. So we do have illusion work. But then we have, it's very interesting to me, the idea that two of the boys saw a noticeably monstrous sized spider, which would be worth going on a walk for. If someone made me get up off a picnic bench and walk down a path and they just showed me a four inch spider, I'd be a little upset.
I'm all thrown in the spider atom. But seeing a four foot tall spider. I mean, we do know that humans in a normal situation are ability to recall information is pretty shoddy. We see that happen a lot in criminal trials.
People just think they saw something when video evidence will show that they didn't. But it's very interesting, right? Remember the boys didn't talk to each other. It wasn't until they were telling other people and then the other people were like, Paul, is it true that you guys went and saw a spider that was four inches tall?
That's what your brother said. And I'll be like, what are you talking about? No, it was massive. That's not notable at all.
Four inches. Who cares? The boys definitely seen the spider, but seeing the different sides. The idea that the boy walked up to them and they all know him, but none of them can recall any information about him.
It wasn't just Paul who had that problem, right? Even Paul's brother and Ben and Alan, they kind of figured it out. That almost, that doesn't sound alien. That almost sounds like a skinwalker.
That almost sounds like a modern creepy pasta. This idea of this shapeshifter, this morphling, faithful. But even in faithful stories, I can't recall people saying, yeah, I saw this little elf guy jumped up on my patio and I swear that I knew him. I thought it used to be my landlord, but he wasn't.
I can't remember. No, usually you're tricked into it. You walk into a certain area and you fall afoul of the faith. This one, and again, I don't read a lot of fairy stuff because I find it very boring.
But maybe it is something that's out there. The idea, though, that you had the boy that they all know, but they can't remember. That does sound like something out of modern creepy pasta. And it's such a bizarre series of events that happened here.
And it's very interesting that the guy is telling the story 25 years later because he's had all this time to look back on it. And still, none of it makes sense. The only additional information that he knows or believes is that after they saw the spider, they were taken somewhere else. Alien abduction, demonic abduction, which is not something.
Is that a thing? Do I have a book now? I can write that? You know, was it some sort of sinister spirit?
Was it faithful? It's like it has enough of each to make you wonder. Now, I will say this. There is the most depressing of all possibilities is that what happened to these four boys was something not from deep space or from another dimension or from some sort of demonic entity is that it was actually a human.
We're talking like child molestation. And this is how their brains processed it. That is something that it possibly could be. It's if it was just one kid and he goes, Hey, I remember one day I was sitting at home in the front door opened and no one was there.
I didn't see anyone and it really scared me because why would my door open with no one was there. And then the door shut. And then I don't remember anything when my parents got home later that day I was in the garage crying. Like when they were pulling up, they opened the automatic garage door and I was in the garage sobbing and I don't remember what happened.
That is something that I probably wouldn't classify as an alien abduction. That's something where you would say, Hey, you might want to go to a therapist. If you're telling me that story, 25 years ago, that happened to you. If it's affecting you today, I go that I wouldn't tell him do anything.
I think you got molested like I want to tell the dude that. But that would be because your brain is not processing it. You're 11 years old. You're not really even thinking that's something that's going to happen.
And your brain literally wiped away the event, but there's still memories of bits and pieces. That's something where I would say, well, you know, that might, you might want to talk to a counselor about that. You know, but, you know, I know, I know it's depressing. It's horrifying and sick, but I wanted to address it.
It could be something like that. I find it so interesting that there's so many holes in all of their memories and even the spider being different sizes. There is something to this story. Here's the thing too.
Like if this story was not published back in 1975, well, it wasn't published back in 1975. It was published in the year 2000 about 1975. It was published in 2025 to probably be even more skeptical because there's just so many incongruent elements. I was like, well, someone just trying to create the ultimate creepy pasta.
I do think that something happened to these boys. What happened? I couldn't even guess. I mean, I could guess.
I would default to go, well, you know, aliens, but even then the firmness in my voice shows. I just don't know. Now I am reading it on a UFO website. And when long Strichler posted it, he titled it, did a known boy and giant spider encounter precede an abduction.
So in that case that I went into that article thanking aliens. So that put that in. And then as I'm reading, I was like, this doesn't sound like a normal alien encounter. It could be though.
It's very interesting. The other two families left. And that's what also had me thinking. Well, what if the what if something did happen to these four boys and it was the neighborhood pervert.
They just packed up and moved away. But I don't know. I mean, maybe their kids are also getting sick. Maybe their kids were having other issues with it.
Like, listen, man, if you're a parent and your kid came to you and said, Hey, I don't know what happened. I was out there in this boy that I don't know where I know him, but I can't tell you who he was. Took me out towards the edge of a field and showed me a giant spider and I don't know what happened after that. And ever since then, I've had these.
Remember these moments where I was taken somewhere. I mean, the parents not going to go call the UFO research center. I think a lot of parents would default to, Oh, honey, what happened to you. Oh, my God.
Are you okay? You know, towards the idea that your son was molested. Bring that up. But that is a possibility.
And that would, I think, especially back in 1975 and even today parents would do this. They might just pack up and leave instead of subjecting their son to all of this. Arrest and pointing out a guy and doing all this trial. And you know what I mean?
Like, sometimes they're just like, son, we're moving out. We're not going to be anywhere near that pervert anymore. Sometimes families do choose that option. I think it was something supernatural.
I don't necessarily think it was the human element, but I think we have to bring it up just because we do see that happen. I think it was supernatural. I just don't know what. This is one of those cases that has enough from each element that you can't really settle on one.
This is our story, though. And again, middle of the day. It starts in Allen's backyard in the suburban neighborhood in the middle of the day. Wasn't in the creepy forest.
It wasn't at 3 a.m. It was in the place where you would feel the most safe. And that day turned into not only a mystery that endures to this day, but the psychological and physical well-being of at least two of these boys. And we can assume that Ben and Allen were also suffering from various ailments.
And why couldn't he ever reconnect with those two guys? That's very odd as well. Over the years, he still can never find them. He can never reconnect with them, even as an adult.
Fascinating story. You have all these different elements playing out, and none of them make sense when they're placed against each other. Fascinating stuff. I love this story.
I mean, it's creepy. I wouldn't want it to happen to me. I wouldn't want to have this hole in my mind. If this was happening to me, I probably would try to have some sort of hypnotic regression, try to figure it out.
But this might be one of those times where not knowing is better. The mind erasure may have been a mercy rather than a cover-up. And Paul could spend so much time trying to remember the past that when he finally does, when he finally unlocks it and truly remembers all of the events that have been buried, things that he shouldn't have remembered, things that would turn an innocent afternoon mystery to a mindscape of terror and pain. Paul should be careful because he may spend so much time trying to remember the past that if he does unlock those hidden memories, it may end up destroying his future.
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