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Sep 17, 2025 1 hr 5 min

EP 167 | What Does 3700 ELO Mean?

from Dojo Talks: A Chess Podcast Hosted by IM Kostya Kavutskiy, IM David Pruess, GM Jesse Kraai

In this DojoTalks, the sensei argue that 3700 Elo engines are so far beyond humans that they beat elite GMs even while spotting queen/rook/knight odds. They discuss that this gap reframes odds chess, preparation, and training, showing how much headroom remains in human understanding. Join the Dojo - https://chessdojo.club Watch Live - https://twitch.tv/chessdojo Play Chess - https://go.chess.com/chessdojo Merch - https://www.chessdojo.club/shop Want to support the channel? Patreon - https://patreon.com/chessdojo Donate - https://streamelements.com/chessdojo/tip Find all of our chess book & supplies recommendations (& more!) on our Amazon storefront: https://www.amazon.com/shop/chessdojo Shopping through our link is a great way to support the Dojo. We earn a small affiliate % but at no cost to you. Website: https://chessdojo.club Twitch: https://twitch.tv/chessdojo Discord: https://discord.gg/GhKsJtjpFw Twitter: https://twitter.com/chessdojo Patreon: https://patreon.com/chessdojo Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/chessdojo Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/chessdojo Podcast: https://chessdojotalks.podbean.com TikTok: https://tiktok.com/@/chessdojoclips 00:05 Humans compared to machines in chess strength 01:14 Purist view of chess vs. odds traditions 02:06 GMs losing to Leela even with material odds 03:37 Notable results Naka Fabi Nepo against Leela 10:35 Odds games as a learning tool vs. engines 17:18 What an 800-point gap from Magnus really means 28:47 Computers proving drawish positions still hold winning chances 39:09 Engine Elo progress and the question of a plateau

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