What's up people I'm your host Jay Will welcome to inspire guys people to podcast where we balance faith and business to guide you to your Purpose this is episode 195 Kingdom business Christian entrepreneur I have the privilege to be joined today by guests all the way from Australia West home He is men an amazing and impressive Kingdom businessman entrepreneur We're gonna learn all about him. He had he wears many hats He's written two books. He has this amazing conference for the Kingdom business and it's actually from the business March And he also is a coach and trainer a speaker I follow him he's the host of the Kingdom business podcast We're gonna talk about all of those things today It's all about really thinking with his brain in mind from his experience in the business about you know the important thing The business how do we operate as christian entrepreneurs really want to know where he sees christian entrepreneurship Going in the future and as always y'all know the goal today Find yourself in a story as well as you can list has a lot of experience He's quality so over eight businesses just the age of 18 and one of the things I love about what I promised him is He does a really good job in balancing the faith in the business But leading with the faith right and a lot of times I'm gonna speak for myself You know when you're starting and Christian entrepreneurship and maybe you don't come from a successful background a lot of times No one really teaches you how to be a successful Christian We teach you how to be successful right here about the money the cars and all the flashy stuff What I love about is that like low-key you got a word I don't know we gonna find out like a teacher or something I don't really know he like such a professional businessman from all the content I've seen I didn't see creature I know you know if you're thinking about it I want to see you when you get some preaching about the transfer of what that you want So if you are a Christian or a business professional looking for ways to better yourself and go closer to God If you got it to your purpose, you're gonna find yourself in the story today I see thoughts in the way of all the way from Australia This is our second international interview I think in four years I don't know what we have in Australia, you know, let's keep it going baby Wherever you at let's you know if you keep in mind it you are welcome to inspire God's people So maybe we'll learn to think about it as well. It's on our field.
Stay back relax and enjoy the inspiration When you go through that part where you knew what you read If you don't think you're so the promise did not expire be inspired I can see beyond the tears you cry You have to climb Ladies and gentlemen welcome to episode 195 of a smart guys people to podcast I'm here with Wiz home all the way from Australia How you doing today? Wiz? Yeah, good night. It's so good to be with you You know, and hopefully where's I'm not am I like stretching out the GZ I apologize like I'm not going too hard on the Z with Wiz is that fine, you know, I want to be respectful I'm not pronounced We stick on this fire guys people but where I'm excited as I kind of said in the intro Hopefully I did did it justice.
You wear a lot of hats and you know for me when I was looking at your content online I'm like man I gotta talk to this guy and see what I can learn and see how we can find ourselves in your story But before we jump in all of that was we love on this show to kind of start off with learning who someone was before we jump And so who you are and what you do now? So can you maybe kick it off with telling us a little bit about life growing up in Australia? Who was the young was and how did you know? What experiences do you want to share about that that help you become who you are today super open-ended question?
I like to leave people the ability to kind of share what they want from your childhood, you know, no pressure So what you got where some sure is gonna be interesting because you know We have the cultural diversity at least so I'm looking forward to learning something cool Well, I sound awesome, but I actually spent the first 40 years in London in England So I was born in the UK and you know typical typical I guess, you know, keep it up with the Joneses type family You know look like we had it all together but maybe not so much behind the scenes and I come from separated parents, which is sad at the time But it's worth our fine today. We're all in relationship. It's good today And then yeah at 14 my my family said we're moving to Australia, which which is a huge blessing I don't know if you ever seen any photos of Australia, but when you come from England It's not a particularly hard decision to go to Australia So but you know that presents itself with some challenges, you know, you don't know anybody You've got to you know make it on your own your parents are out, you know Trying to make a life of themselves so they're you know, they're busy and so you kind of in this foreign environment and I Don't know that I loved it at the time But God makes everything you know useful and beneficial in your future And so there was a lot of fruit that came from from that period of time in my life today And you know, I guess you know, I guess I just studied people from a very young age I was never particularly academic. I didn't enjoy school You know if I just dreamed about being a business person from the earliest ages and and that's cool now right to want to be an entrepreneur But when I would we didn't use that word when I was young we just use the word business man or business person, right?
But it wasn't necessarily cool back then to want to be a business person, you know when I was going through school It was just for me. Okay, so here's how it happened My father was very good at cricket and so I would often go to his cricket matches And at the end of the game when everybody's kind of hanging out I would see and almost do a stock take of the different men in that room and and the businessman, you know They had the better cars and then what seemed like that They carried themselves in a different way and they had different kind of conversations I'm ever thinking that's just that this is better for me like that's more who I am and so my earliest memories were you know Riding fake chicks playing banker at the age of five always like washing cars out making money from the you know Early stages and then I guess the first unofficial business was selling juggling balls So juggling was a craze when I was first year of high school And I saw all these people buying expensive juggling balls and I was like I can I can make some money here and so I would I would literally commandeer my mum's sewing machine and I would use my shorts and some chickpeas and I would make up these juggling balls and Sell them and and I had a great business there in high school But I remember one day in the playground the principal of the school tapped me on the shoulder And he said you don't stop you're gonna get expelled and that's what I immediately knew that I was called to business And I wasn't gonna fit this you know scholastic system of just taking tests and nodding yes to the man and so All of that happened pre-Christian so I started I started a bunch of businesses from the age of 18 built them sold them But it wasn't until I was 24 that I came to Christ and so like that'll mess with you right because Like if I was to be honest with you and you listeners I thought that Pre-Christian I thought that everything revolved around my business and I literally thought that if I wanted a bigger house I'd build a big business and if I wanted a big boat I'd build a big business and if I wanted I'd build a car I'd build a big business and I thought everything was about me and my business and then on the 23rd of September 2004 my world fell apart because I Became a radical Christian which was amazing But I and so I immediately start pouring through the Bible you know and I would I started with one Old Testament One New Testament scripture because I couldn't I didn't want to wait to get to the New Testament I wanted to know but I wanted to read the old and not neglect this way kind of rent red through parallel and And you know and I got to you know I got to Leviticus and that's where the Lord really laid out how do we trade how should we trade how do we handle our affairs as Businesspeople, you know and if you haven't been through Leviticus you really can't understand God's way of trading You know like the Jubilee cycle like that You know like the principle of cleaning and leaving money for other people and you know when you read about Cain and Abel and how they handled They're offering and why they were you know that you get a lot of understanding And so I started to realize that my business was nothing to do with me and if I've laid down my life Then then I've laid down my business life too. You can't lay down your life But but how does you know but but be self-interest in business? It doesn't work like that and so it became a mission for me to want to know Okay, what does God say about business and how to handle it and what role does business play in advancing the kingdom and From that day right to today, we've been trying to learn and seek revelation and and I guess practice what we study in the scripture Like try and be practitioners of what the scripture says and by doing that there's obviously been a bunch of highs and a bunch of lows But ultimately God's been very very very very good to us over these years Which now means we can be good to others.
So that's a bit of a story I love it. Um you said a couple of cool things. I want to unpack. I think it's really unique peculiar I don't know that I've ever heard someone say that the book of Leviticus was the one that like got them more interested So I think that's unique to the fact that you already had that business experience that those things were standing out because a lot of times The Old Testament is really hard for people when they start when they first start reading a Bible But similar to you like I mean I grew up as a Christian But you know we all go through those ups and downs in life when I started becoming serious as an adult and reading the word It really was first It was actually the story of Joseph for me as one of them that until this day for me is a Bit rock of how I envision and view business and I feel like is one of the greatest business plans and most practical business plans ever That guy gave Joseph in his dream.
So I love the fact that that you you know Leviticus stuck out to you in that way I'm almost curious what you think about do you think it was easier for you to grasp these business principles? Starting off as a business person and then becoming a believer versus I don't know if maybe your experiences and all of your You know business and you know individuals you're coming across like what you see with people who start the other way around Like they start in church and it seems that it's probably in my opinion. Maybe a little harder What do you think about that to grasp those? I think I think none of that matters whether you whether you were a Christian before or Christian after I think it all comes down to hunger Okay, you know that you'll figure it out if you you know and so if you follow that thread if you're not searching for it And you're clearly not hungry and you know for me I realized that I'm gonna stand before the judgment seat of Christ the day I die and I'm gonna give him a count for my gifts and talents and I better work out how to maximize them And so that hunger has driven me to not want to neglect you know, you know like a minute of this journey Yeah, so for me I think you know I know people that went the other way but something happened in their life They got full on hungry for the things of the kingdom, you know, and they arrive at the same point So if it's all around desire, I can respect that and I definitely see where you're coming from because it's like, you know I always tell people like, you know, you can grow up in a particular household like, you know me I grew up in Detroit I don't know how familiar you are with you know the major cities in the States I don't want to some you are but I grew up in a typical inner city in Detroit and it's always interesting to me what that Experience does to people like for me.
It made me like you said more hungry like I'm sitting here today having a conversation with you because Coming from that bubble. I was always curious what was outside of the bubble, right? I know so many people that stay in the bubble and coming from that bubble makes them say there's not necessarily the experience itself But I guess in my experience it has been maybe more difficult to explain the importance in The proper context of business as a Christian to people who start in church because sometimes at least again It's maybe like just where I'm from people tend to be a lot more religious and not necessarily have like the practical Understanding of the application of the Bible so they view everything in this religious way that will almost make money and business Wrong like it's almost that mentality of like oh rich people are evil and like all that so why would I ever want to become rich It's people are evil so but definitely understand what you're saying about hunger. Um With that said like I'm also curious you do so much work now Right like you know you kind of said you started with a with a juggling business And things like that at what point within those eight companies that you you know You built and you sold at what point where any of those sold as a Christian I'm just curious like as you made that transition with that experience at what point did your faith become a part of your business?
And how did you start integrating it? Yeah, I think it was company five that I sold but that's my mother's a believer and I was actually in business with another believer and that when that was a partnership deal We took a systems company into five countries around the world and I sold my share to him Only because we wanted a different thing out of business You know you want a different direction and you know that was also young then that like I already really cared about one thing And that was the knowledge so I had you know I had collected a whole bunch of knowledge along the way in this particular business and then I was getting a check as well So it was an easy decision for me to move on to something else These days I start things that I want to have as cash cows for much much longer You know because it's not so much chasing knowledge It's more you know like influence and legacy and things like that But you know how do I integrate my faith? I mean like I mean I I didn't get it right from day one of being a believer You know it's it's like it was hard work You know the marketplace I feel like if you're not a believer then you've got a few forces against you right? There's the marketplace wants to make you go to zero right?
Everybody wants to compete with you and get you to be broke right? So you've got the marketplace against you and then you've got yourself against you right? There's our own stupidity that can hang us up from time to time for sure But then as a believer you've also got a target on your back to go to enemy that wants to make you ineffective right? And my experience for for Andre Kingdom entrepreneurs is the enemy doesn't usually contend for their salvation Right because once you know if somebody's made a decision I'm gonna be a child and God that's awesome What the enemy tends to do is try and make you a redundant Christian or in effect you want right?
And so then you don't actually advance the kingdom Well, you do advance a kingdom and it's the kingdom itself Right, right King to regard and so so you know and so we know the spirit of mammon would be the biggest enemy that we have to contest as kingdom entrepreneurs Right? So you know the devil wants us to get caught up in cars and houses and watches and bling and Facebook and Instagram and And get us all puffed up with pride that we think we're amazing because the many would do that that we're not effective ministers But also so yeah, it's as I'm just still learning. Okay, how do you how do you put those boundaries around yourself? So that well you can spot the enemy and stand the enemy down right before it becomes, you know an entrapment and and You know, I've had to learn that the really hard way through all of those years I've made a ton of mistakes, but I've also got a few things right and along that journey, you know It's a continual result and it doesn't go away like like, you know, the enemy's tactics are They're not new, but they do get bigger and scarier as your profile gets bigger and scarier and your influence gets bigger and scarier So but you also kind of get better at spotting it So it does it does I mean you take you mentioned Joseph right like that pretty horrific story right up until the end right?
And talk about the love of God God knew that was a famine that was gonna kill everybody So, you know 30 years before he started planning for it so that humanity didn't have to suffer through a famine, right? But if you look at the story of Joseph and everything you have to go through Geographically every one of those issues took him closer geographically to where we needed to be to do his assignment And so in my life, I've got a whole bunch of mistakes Some of them are doing it some of them are not but every single one of those have played an effective part in me being the best that I can be today And nothing's wasted direction is more important than speed That's something I always try to remind myself of because like you said with Joseph like I mean He got that first dream at about 17 He's in his mid 30s before you know the dream comes to into fruition and when you think of it that way Like being a believer requires us to consistently keep the faith in the Lord through all of those ups and downs And I think one of the key aspects of Joseph is that he was able to sustain his righteousness So it was like through those ups and downs He didn't lose himself and I don't know how you feel where as you mentioned like social media and all of these things And I guess I'm curious like how do you balance like those new things right cuz like so I speak for myself right? I'm older enough to where I remember when Facebook came out I remember when Instagram started and these tools have evolved they weren't always what they were today people didn't use them that same way And one of the challenges for me has always been I've had to try to be proactively strategic and aware of how I'm utilizing them It's like I want to utilize these tools not to do things for attention not to be like just doing weird random stuff So that people can like me at the same time You want to grow something but you wanted to be authentic and genuine like where has it been like for you incorporating these new tools TikTok Instagram as they come along but also keeping that humility and I'm That's what I get from your message to be honest like I've watched a lot of your videos and I get this sense of like true success It's not about throwing it in people's face. So I'm just curious how you think through that I absolutely love these tools I also remember I remember I remember pre-internet Right, so you know like I still remember going into a chat room when I was like, you know Like 15 years old and and waiting 10 minutes for a reply from somebody no and we thought it was probably a hot girl But it was probably a hairy Russian or something.
I don't know exactly what it was And you know and so I love these tools because the great commission doesn't change I you know people tell me all the time I you know like these devices like I'm like I've had a hundred and seven eight pieces of content a week talking about Jesus to the marketplace Like like you can dislike that all you like but I without these tools I wouldn't have that but I would be writing a column in a paper or something right so um so I'm a massive fan Now did it was it too much at the start? Yeah, because it was a new toy and I went you know Probably too hard and probably spent too much time strolling, you know But one of the things that's really cool for me is I'm talking about Christianity and business and money I had people tearing me apart every day for 10 years You soon learned that none of them matters I still get heat online. It's like oh he thinks that you know money is like you know Like you haven't watched anything like like like Money is not more important than selling shit like you know So but but they watch a sound bite and think they know what you mean So I think you know I kind of got boundaries around it early The other thing I did was I wanted to test I wanted to test the opposite spirit of what was typically online right So, you know I see a lot of people a lot of people in the states who are christian in business And their whole thing is look at how God's blessed me Look at my new watch look at my wife's new car Look at my new car look at my house I've got anything that best of everything And they use it as a message now that attracts a really big audience But you'll never get you know you'll never you'll never get supernatural You know it's it tickles people's ears it builds a massive following but it doesn't change culture And so I just decided well, what if I never talked to myself up? What if what if nobody knew what car I drove and what if nobody knew where I lived What if because it's not about whether you have it or not You can have a nice house the Lord wants you to be blessed and I've worked incredibly hard right But what if I didn't use that which means now that it must be something else that creates the increase right Well, you know what if what if something else opened or something the Lord or you know People could resonate with the with the Holy Ghost and so that's all I've tried to do And so today we're 178 pieces of content a week out on social media I mean I don't do all of that I do one hour video and then the team chop it and send it But but none of it is about me and you'll see very little from me talking about Much about me to be told honest, you know If you know it's interesting now, I've had three media companies come to me in the last 60 days saying We want to start storytelling what's going on behind the scenes what we want to know who wears this?
What you know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I'm ready I don't know that I'm ready to unveil it yet because the minute it becomes about me It's not about the Lord if it's it's about me and not about the Lord. I don't know what that means to me It's I'm not I'm not that keen so I love it I was kind of those boundaries, you know, like You know, I want to have an impact on the influence and and I think those things could very well be traps That's that spotting the enemy coming up and trying to get you full of pride and stuff like that But immediately discounts your inviting Yeah, it kind of reminds me of like a trip to the zoo, right? Like the lions and tigers are beautiful as long as they're behind the gate It's like, you know, it's like these things are beautiful Like you said these tools allow us to share and I'll be honest, you know, for me It's funny, you know, we're we think along the same lines You know, I'd never like I'd never post personal stuff and it is like people in my family And this is what I mean This is an example what I mean about like how social media evolve Something that's simple like there was a point in time where I can go to a family event and just be there But now if I go to a family event, there's 25 phones around And I'm kind of I'm the type of person that's kind of like I really don't want like You taking a picture of me while I eat a sandwich or like every step of the way or like if I take a trip like So I try to guard it that same way and I think it's about balance, you know, at the end of the day We have to be mindful of that and you said something that makes me want to actually this question about Christian entrepreneurship And when I ask this question, I'm specifically referencing authentic Christian business people and entrepreneurs Like what do you think the importance of that is because you talked about the other side, right? There are those believers out there that you know for better or worse It's like look at what I got and and out of tracks people But what do you think the importance of the substance of an authentic Christian entrepreneur is?
That's a great question. I think you I think to answer it though You've got to come back to the very beginning of time, right? So go to Genesis and I know that sounds trite, but what has God wanted from the very beginning? What does he want?
He's wanted the same thing then as he wants today and that is he wants man To choose Him and to live his ways on earth. That's all he's wanted, right? And and then all the way from Adam and Eve he has been you know, get us to want to choose that and and uh, you know, you know, Cain and Abel is a classic example of what God has been up against since Adam and Eve It comes time for an offering one brings tatty veggies one brings the best portions of the best animal to an offering And God says to the one that brings him inferior offering he says sins crouching at your door You need to learn a rule over it and it wants to devalue and and basically what he's talking about there is self-interest He withheld from God because he cared about himself more than he did about God And so that's the thing that God's been up against from Adam and Eve to the eight billion people in the world today Same thing now. He's trump card was Jesus like it's beautiful when you play out that story So then it comes to 2023 on a podcast with you answering the question of you know, what what is kingdom business and what role is it play?
It's the same answer He wants me to choose him and to live out on earth his way of doing business here on earth Which now means that there's no room to conform to the pounds of this world I've got to do it his way regardless of whether I get more or less whether I'm famous or not You know whether I'm blessed or whether none of that can really matter The only thing that really is is my is I've got to lay it all down right? So now my business has to be we'll use the word sanctified It's a horribly religious word It basically just means laid down and available for the kingdom and and and it's not my interest anymore It's the interest of God right so I you know my business has one goal and that has got to be primarily to advance the kingdom of God Now if God wishes and it ends up being a blessing that can provide for me Which you probably will because the character of God is such But it can't be gift to get and it can't be what I get out of it Whereas you know and I think that's the problem with a lot of the modern tithing messages It's like burn 90 percent yourself as long as you keep in God happy with your tent No, no, no Mechanically you will want to give to God if you first understand that I've laid it all down right? So So I think you know to answer your question It's the role is my business needs to do a few things it needs to love on people Those people are my team I staff my my my stakeholders if they're a partners It might my customers my suppliers like I need to give them an expression of the kingdom of God in my business every day Right, that's primarily what it's for now when it makes a profit. I've got to start thinking okay primarily This is to advance the kingdom of God.
So what assignment has got got for me to fund what project what strategic ministry? I've got to be thinking like that before I ever think should I be upgrading my car You know should I be upgrading my house? Do I need that third watch? You know and then obviously you follow that but if you're buying a watch so that you put on instagram you've already lost Right in your opinion.
So so I I I mean I know that's kind of heavy But but but it's got to start with laying it all down and then let God build it up You get left by the way with no bragging rights and no pride when you decide to lay it down and it hurts Because the flesh is weak when you decide to lay it down and the Lord prospers you over time You never get like I'm amazing because you know you didn't do it Yeah, it's all about like keeping him first and being mindful of the fact that I am nothing without him like even the gifts that I have where if I did something that was kind of sweet It was like well, it wasn't just in my own merit. Like God bless me with this opportunity It's really like a mindset of gratefulness And you know I watched the video that you put out in 2020 So the thing about me was is like I'm always intrigued by what people said in the past Mostly because I think in today's society It is very easy to be trendy. And so like whenever I have someone on the show I'll kind of look for something like what was this person saying in the worst climate, you know One of the worst of my lifetime during the pandemic I'm like very curious to see and always encourage people like who listen to this show like go check out my shows from 2020 If you really want to know what I'm about because you know that was the heat of the moment and you you have this video about the transfer of wealth and What was interesting to me is that you spent a lot of time talking about you know the true reward of wealth and you kind of alluded to it in your previous Answer, but I would love to kind of like even hear a little more about the dynamic of people go in so well thinking It's all about me, right? But what is the reward?
So so like if if you're telling me like your main You know it needs to be about what you can give and how you can help others and then I'm gonna say like why Like why should I do that? What's the reward for that? Because I can see the tangible reward in the Rolex the third Rolex watch right and I don't it's like what if I'm not convinced that there is an Actual reward. I only see what I lost but what do I gain when I focus on that righteousness?
As a real and giving as it relates to what well well what if you gain nothing? Love it. That's enough of a reason like see and I think that it comes back to true salvation like I've already had everything I'm going to spend eternity in heaven Why no if I get a nice watch cream on top But if I was to spend my entire life giving everything away, am I going to care after four and a half seconds in glory? No So, you know now I don't give it all away, right?
You know, I've got three young daughters. They're gonna get married one day like that's gonna be expensive You know like I I like some nice things like spend money on suits and I like nice things But it's not at the expense of doing my assignment and funding my assignment that is first And I learned that the hard way because if it's not first Then the only other thing that can be first is my interest and that's That is you're basically just take your anointing and cut it in half if that's the case Um, so so what's in it for us? Listen, isn't it more blessed to give than to receive like What's in it for us is being part of the advancing of the kingdom of god on earth in our lifetime? What like there is no greater adventure that you could ever be part of?
You know, if you end up with nice things, I have a nice truck, right? You know what you would call a truck um and you know, and I ordered it and I waited nine months for it in covid And I got it. You know, I'm like it's still just a truck. It's nice, you know, and it's not extreme It's just a truck and and and to me that's a blessing from god, right, you know He brought the business in he brought the increase sure I work really hard and I put the risk and the capital up to do things But you know, I guess I'm concerned with the thought of like You know, if I don't give them what do I lose out on and you know what?
You know, I need like without faith, it's impossible to please god So if we need to know it all before we make a decision how much faith is that so? You know, here's what I would say to somebody who like who might struggle with that decision. It's like cool You've done it your way for a while Now do it this way give it 24 months and just see which one you would trade for at the end I love that give it 24 months and then let's see like hey, which one has value in them and we know which one it is Because you talked about it, right and it it is the the reward is different Like and I think what happens is we give more value to things that are that don't have value I'll give an example like you know I'll often try to remind myself that I'm wealthy because I have my parents like my parents are all still in my life And I'm like that is a level of wealth That is actually unexplainable, right? Because when you see other people lose people close to them And you know that inevitably we will all go right, which is why we need to be saved in the first place Every single day with everyone Is just an amazing lesson and then like you said it's don't work in guys plan that he's called for your life It's more valuable.
Um, I'm gonna get this example. You talked about the truck It's funny like my last guest we talked about this a little bit and I told her about like, you know Coming from where I come from when I was younger it was all about things It was like you think I want to get out of here so that I can get these things and like you I mean I like nice things right but I like them within discipline And this is one of the one of the things that I think people struggle with is that when people like something like this truck They think I like it so I should get it And they don't know how to necessarily properly think through Well, when is the right time to get the truck? Does it make sense to get the truck? Can I really truly afford the truck?
Am I buying a truck in exchange for my kids college education or their first car? So I think those that multi-layered understanding and that relationship with guys tends to put things in its place I told someone another day like crazy thing when I got when I got a nice car It was like oh, I can't bring it in a house Me and my wife still had the same little silly arguments that we had when we had the car that flooded when it rained And so like you said you like you end up putting these things in perspective so I love that Um, you know, you're all about just that perspective and advantage point of seeing the grateful side of it of salvation really being a reward and not things And I'm sure that's why I got got trust those type of people when you look through the bible Like he tends to trust the righteous on the Abrahams the just side of the world and um, so that's amazing You talked about um like here you talk about the juggling business when you were younger and how you didn't like school I you know, I somewhat relate to that. I was a class clown and um one of the things that's always interesting in that is I'm always curious Do you think that you were a natural leader or were you nurtured into becoming a leader? No, jim.
I was an angry young boy, right? Like I'm well aware of the shortcomings that I have and have now and definitely have when I was younger Um, and uh, you know, it's a testimony right to the goodness of god because the bible says it's his job to take us from glory to glory And I'm a much more improved version of the person that came to Christ Um, and hopefully knowing you're as as good as the person in the next 10 years, right? Um Yeah, I I'm not a born natural leader, you know I think you know through some of those events with you know split parents and you know, that's not just a one-day event That's you know, years of witnessing arguing and things like that and I think I became quite insecure like why what role did I play in my parents I'm and those kind of questions that you have Um, you know, that made me pretty bitter and um, you know, I mean I was a drinker from a very young age Um, only because you know, there probably wasn't that oversight in my life to stop me Um, and uh and in Britain drinking culture is pretty strong. So like I'm talking like 1314, you know, you know Starting the drinking thing and then that just got out of hand You can never make smart decisions.
I hope you're drinking a lot of morning 15 16 years old, right? I guess, you know, all of that to say that That's the redemptive power of the Holy Ghost and God like you know, I was pretty angry and and and I could cut somebody apart with my words Like no one's business. I was street smart if I wasn't academic Um, you know, I can make somebody feel fantastic or manipulate them to feel terrible if I wanted to Um, none of those are great traits by the way, they they kind of work, you know, in the world But they're not great in the king regard and so Um, yeah, I I had to I had to kind of, you know, check a lot of that stuff at the door and humble myself to be able to lay that stuff down Um, I would say that leadership is a learn skill. I really do think that I don't you know, I don't think the gift of the gap helps I know people that are not particularly articulate and they're wonderful leaders.
Yeah, um, I you know, I know people who are very articulate and they're great leaders But they weren't always a great leader. Um, you know, I think it's shaped by life events But I also think it's about whether you're self aware enough to take the lessons You know, that's that's not that easy. It's very easy to just blame and you know, excuse yourself and blame other people for all the problems in your life But if you can stop and take the lessons, you know, I'll give an example of what I mean So coming to Australia 14 years old my brother was 16 he raises off to get his new lifestyle started my parents raised off pretty lonely brand School and on a low Australia was a colony of England, right? You know, it was very different culturally, you know If you trace it back, England sent all their fun people to Australia, right?
It's all the criminal. So it's a very different world And um, and incredibly lonely and you have to kind of fight to, you know, kind of find your place So now that's not that great But fast forward, you know, 15 years and I'm going into business owners telling them how to run a business And I feel very very comfortable to be on my own to stand my own team to be out of talk to strangers to be out of hold line with You know, because I kind of was forced to do that through that environment And so later on it becomes a really valuable tool, right? So if you can do all of those things and pick up the mistakes and you can learn leadership It's it's you're not born a leader You're born with an you know with a DNA from god natural gifting natural skills But you can learn whatever you want in terms of leadership and I was a horrible leader very early on But I was also aware of it So I was able to kind of chop and change and and I tell you I tell you when I started to become a better leader and this will be It's a bit cliché But it was when I really started to fall in love with people all people When when they all started to really do a work in me and get me to just love people no matter where they're at leadership It came a whole lot easier because it was completely authentic and not strategy based So there's an empathy you know you talk about a couple things which is awareness, right? So, you know, it's important if you're a leader to be aware of your shortcomings We all have them we all have blind spots and things we have to constantly think about then you talk about accountability Which is very tough a lot of times, but you know empathy that that's something that's like that I've been focusing on in the past few months Um, it's being more empathetic and I was listening to an audiobook about leadership and it was breaking down how Empathy is the ability to put yourself in someone else's position And like a simple and cliché is that is like for whatever reason in that moment I was listening to it and I'm like man like whenever you're whenever I'm going through something Like I want the best treatment if I messed up I don't want you to like drag me through the mud like, you know, whatever it may be I always want grace.
I always want mercy, right? And I'm starting to learn how to see other people that way and when I when I see a situation versus pointing a finger Put myself in their position Um, because I'm convinced that that is a strong trait in leadership. So I'm actually it's interesting you said that I was listening to that book recently um You have your conference. I would love to start Talking about some of the things that you've done.
Maybe let's start with the two books that you've written Can you talk about them and maybe tell us what they expect and actually I had mine in a cart last night and fell asleep So I'm actually going to be ordering one. Um, but can you talk about your books and what made you write on it and you know what we can expect from them? Yeah, two books supernatural business and supernatural thinking And uh, and supernatural leadership will be out this year. That's pretty much mostly written Um, and uh, you know, it's it's just more of what we're talking about here, right?
You know supernatural business is kingdom first and you know and how to lay that down It's also quite a practical book. I talk about marketing, you know, one of the One of the areas of business that most people suck out is marketing You know, very few people are using the tools of the day to build a brand and drive leads which makes it hard to scale a business, right? You haven't got you know, the elites coming in and so yeah, well, the business is just really practical some of the books practical like that And some of its, you know mindset, you know supernatural thinking is about how do you walk and you've got the identity? Because a lot of people don't um, you know, and also how do you last the distance?
You know across the face people are usually very good at the start of something It's all exciting. I'm journaling and whiteboarding and pumping telling everybody about it And then as soon as the grind kicks in and the troubles hit they quit and you know We only get paid in life according to what we finished and what we started so, you know, it's about sticking to it and getting through that period of time And so yeah, it's you know, they're just really practical, you know, I mean, you know, one of our largest businesses is a business coaching practice And so everything we do has to be that really applicable kind of training and so the books are just like that They're written in, you know, just chatty language, you know, they were written by me I didn't didn't like I said to Newest girls so they're easy to read and Yeah, they've been they've been they've been a real blessing to me, but also to the people that read them Now you you you talk about um Marketing and I don't know I'm trying to connect the dot because you definitely seem like a marketing guru Um, but she said you hate at school So I'm like, what did you did you ever go back? Did you did you have formal education higher ed or did you just forego it and kind of learn everything on yourself because Looking at the content that you're putting out and not just the content meaning like the digital stuff I look at the quality like of what's being shared and what the experience seems to be I'm like, wow, this is a person that knows how to capture the story and share it So no, no, I never had the disadvantage of university or college or we call it tafe um, I uh I just absolutely love business. I'll do whatever it takes to learn it, right?
You know in a digital setting, um, you know, I was never going to go to university to learn digital marketing It's like I don't know how to do digital marketing while I go and learn digital marketing from people that don't know how to use digital marketing, right? Sorry, what I did was I just basically said I'm going to roll all my own money into my campaigns and learn how to do myself And so in sort of 2014 2015 Um, I just ran 150 campaigns on social media and started to join the dots what works what doesn't and then from there Basically stay on top of all the latest changes Um, and uh, you know and learn how to do it and today though, like I started an agency, you know, 80 months ago We've scaled up. I mean, you can't see it behind this monitor. I can look out I've got this big team of people who are running LinkedIn ads, Google ads, Facebook ads, web dev, SEO, you know, and uh, and Because to me, it's like you can have an inferior product in business and be the best marketer and your win You know, I think McDonald's showed us that right so, um, and so you can have the best product in the world and not market it And you're you know, you're on struggles streets.
So, you know, for me, it's just the thing and you know, and um And the ability to tell stories just comes through practice, you know, I I really enjoy Um, I tell you what, I mean, love with I mean, love with the people like people getting a breakthrough like realizing themselves I could do that or I could do this or I should stop that like that in a moment. That's why we run conferences and things That's the thing I'm in love with and so that drive that hunger made me kind of go Okay, I need to I need to work on some sort of delivery styles and I break all the rules of good public speaking But I think my heart is just right to want to you know I really want to share things that try and capture the good ones and get a breakthrough and that seems to resonate I think that's what makes you who you are even going back to being young and like you said like Selling selling selling things in school and a teacher telling you like hey, if you don't stop this you're gonna get in trouble There's it's a rebel with the calls right like this positive version of coloring outside of the lines And I think there's a lot of value in that because Sometimes society can can limit you. I'll give you a really honest example I gotta be careful how I how I craft this um speaking publicly, but You know, I work for fortune 50 organization and You know, one of the things that's interesting to me in my corporate life through the years I've been I've been there 16 years and kind of work my way up at eight roles I'm on my eighth row in 16 years and I work a hit quarter a job and one of the things that's interesting is that the folks that I work with Sometimes they find me they find me through the years like certain people will find me But most people like you know, I have no idea inspire guys people or whatever and one of the things I'm always intrigued with whenever you're in like really like um Like structured let's just use the word structured environments where people are really rigid They only they don't value a lot of things so when you're in school right like the teachers don't value those Skills sets that you have that are a little outside of the box So to your point like they also can't develop it And I've had the pleasure of kind of being in both of these worlds and being able to see it both first hand I'll give you one example There wasn't a corporate event maybe back in 2014 and you know, I do music I've you know, I've been writing raps and things since I was a young kid and I've done christian rap for quite a while I haven't in the last couple years, but historically that's what I've done That's where a lot of people know me from and it was funny They wanted me to do like this song for one of our events Like just take it and make it about the product that we sell or whatever And I did it and I performed it in front of a few hundred people at this event and like people were blown away It was like they were looking at me like I wasn't me and what was interesting to me was it's like I'm like I've actually been this person the whole time like it's like It's just interesting when people can limit you so I love the fact that you you know how to color outside the lines And I think we all need to be aware of that There's definitely some value in structure and some of us need that more than others, right? And I'm definitely blessed to work where I work But it is like very interesting going between the two worlds And seeing what people value as a skill set and you know and what people don't Um before I get you out of here, Wes, I do want to I want to hear a little bit about The king of business summit and as well as the podcast can you just um, you know for everyone listening all the whezus information will be in the description of the show Um, you know, so youtube apple podcast Spotify all those things all the links to the podcast and the books and the websites will be there But wets can you just talk a little bit about what to uh, you know expect you have the summit coming up march 9th through 11th and Briez bane I believe and um, you know what can people expect?
I also know there's a virtual option as well So I don't want people to think just because it's on australia they can't um join in Yeah, we'd love to have people from all over the world and we will um, let me just go back a little bit though, right? I was um, I was saved three weeks and then I was so I'd been to church three times and I was sat in my backyard reading my bible And I said out loud to the lord. I said I've spotted the racket You know racket meaning like the the routine the bad bits, you know, I said and I just sort of heartfelt, you know Yeah, that's the lord in my back. I said I spotted the racket I said these people sitting in the same seat singing the same songs They know when to stand up.
They know when to sit down. They know when the clap. They know when the coffee's coming And I said to the lord out loud if that's all you've got for me You won't keep me I said what the world has to offer is better than go to church and repeating that same thing every Sunday I said I need to know I need to know How is this world better because of my redeemed life, right? And I wasn't prepared to stop until the lord showed me what it was and for a period of just a few weeks He showed me that I would start a training academy for christian entrepreneurs Which made me delightfully happy because I quite like conference world and I love personal development and I love business Right, so and I just love god.
I was a new relationship and so I was like this is amazing But also it's getting me like I need to go work out who God is before I ever open my mouth and out. Right, so great I just put that in my back pocket studied hard and then and then in 2012, you know, that's eight years later in 2012 All my businesses were doing incredibly well, but I was miserable I I didn't I had a passion for what I was doing. I was not focused and And I thought you know what I'm a businessman. I know how to fix this I'm just gonna double my prices and that's gonna get me inspired again So I went to all my clients double my prices.
They all said no worries So now I'm getting paid twice as much and I'm immediately feeling twice as I'm fulfilled as I was before and I said, okay This is this is a bizarre thing like you've got my attention or what's going on and then We have intercessors on staff to help us with the direction of the company And so between what I was feeling and these prophetic words that were coming in It was time to start the thing that I told you about when you first came to Christ And so you know in 2012 we I just said I'll run the first kingdom business summit and You know these are intentionally lost making activities because I want to pay the price And so you know I put on the first one and I called 28 people and I said be in this room for these two days And I'm going to train you and then we bring a team of prophetic people at the end to do prophetic ministry And I find that business and prophetic together already powerful And then so we run those two days. I funded it all it was a very inexpensive event in the scheme of things And then I went back to people and said what was you know give me a think back on the two days And they're like best two days ever so so it was 28 people in 2012 And then I was like, okay, I'm just gonna keep doing this This is this felt like it had grace on it So the next year was 98 people the next year was 196 and next year we went to 990 and we took into 2,500 and so far like And each and all the way along there just as a side note and to bring on guard the cost to run these becomes incredibly expensive Incredibly I could imagine you know like little rooms might cost a thousand bucks a day higher But the minute you go to a site bigger room, it's 10 grand that's no way be a Tameric like you know the marketing of it now we've got speakers that we file over the world prefer Team's got 100 like it's a big deal right Every single year that the expenses go up the Lord has prospered our business so that we can afford to fund it Now just a side note if it was all about cars and houses and watches, I wouldn't have the money to do this on it Right, so I'd be an ineffective believer in that place So fast forward today, you know like we um, you know We run these events and we bring in great people and the whole purpose is to get people to learn practically How do you scale up your business and how do you deepen your walk with the Lord? That's it And because when you put those two together you become a weapon and So they're like two and a half days we have a beautiful formal dinner with our magicians and blah blah blah We do a fun bit but then there's like a real serious bit we're here to do business And then we finished where we basically I just stopped talking and then we bring a perfect team in and even for the people online We have a perfect team that don't know anybody apart from a name and they'll just be like right what the world's saying to you is this and then It's incredibly powerful. So so that's that the podcast has had a few different iterations over the time But the king was I don't know where we're at we're like 30 episodes in or something and You know that's one a week, but there's 470 videos in the YouTube channel from the start of it over the time And really that's just there's no ask there's no sale There's no funnel It's literally just content out there all the time to get people to catch something, you know and I engage with everybody in the comments because that's where I get the feedback loop and you know I don't measure.
I don't measure any of this. We don't have a conversion rate metric We're not at the summit trying to sign so many people up to things We literally I just say to serve people and see the win and the Lord actually ends up prospering us, you know Time and time again, and so It's not just want to be a resource to people as much as I possibly can You know, I've done 14,000 business coaching sessions since I started my business in 2007 There's enough in there to learn how to help people win and so just put that stuff out and and see what we can do to help people I love that was man. You said so many great things today that I definitely appreciate I want to get you out of here with one question I try to get people out on time with I'm very respectful of the fact that I that business people come on here I know that our schedules are crazy and you're in another country and I think it's early morning So I definitely want to be respectful at but before before we let you go Um simple question who or what inspires you and it can't be God we know that God inspires you So I don't want that answer but who or what inspires you to keep going on this journey There's a few different answers, right? I think my kids.
I've got three daughters You know their weapons for the kingdom that you know, they they're gonna be mighty women for God and And they need an example You know, they're gonna watch a lot of social media and social media is gonna get them to second gas Themself they need a real life example that they can follow if somebody who has allegiance to the Lord and goes about primary events in God's kingdom as much as you can They need that example and and my wife them. I'm she's in the she's very political So she's running campaigns and helping you know to stand up for what they believe in and so so really one one of things that makes me keep going is I want them to see What this um what allegiance to the Lord looks like on a daily basis, right? So I don't know that they inspire me But I one of the reasons to keep going is I want them to see an example of what it looks like to fight for the kingdom Um, I'm not like I'm inspired by other people further along on the journey for little bits of their life You know, I'm inspired by some people who have you know, they've got incredible health And they've managed to juggle a busy schedule and do that I'm inspired by people who have you know had busy schedules and raised great kids because I think that's vital You know, I'm inspired by people who have built great wealth for the kingdom and things like that I think the thing that inspires me the most though is the clients that I get to bring through So, you know, we'll have somebody that might walk with us for a year or two or five six eight And just to see them not really know how to grow a business and then see they would walk with the lord deepened and they're real reliance and then their Business flourish and then they're funding projects and funding chip that that will never get old You know, that'll never get old because that's the assignment that the lord has for me But also it is advancing the kingdom on earth and and you know as an active spiritual warfare I think it's incredibly inspiring to see that you know that redemptive nature of god play out for business people Whereas this has been amazing. I appreciate you so much for taking time to come on inspire guys people and share your story and inspire us I definitely found myself several times in your story and don't take it for granted I will be supporting all of the work that you're doing from afar because I think you are a necessary Person in the kingdom of god and it feels great to know that hey I know at least one person I've met one person that's over in Australia doing the work of the lord And I will definitely be continuing to check out your content and show love and thank you so much for your time I have a great I gotta say have a great morning for you.
I hope you have a prosperous day. Thanks. All right. Thank you Ladies and gentlemen, that was uh wes home and um yeah, I think uh it has been uh a pleasure you know having him on today's show and um I took a lot of things y'all know what it is I'm gonna take a sip on my uh my drink here and then we're gonna close the show out with a couple of few thoughts A couple of few you know what I can talk people we're gonna close the show out with a few thoughts Y'all see what it is inspire guys people baby um all right so let's talk man um Look first of all I like I just came For the individuals who come on this show um and you know spend time talking to us and sharing their story Because it's a blessing for me.
I always tell people like selfishly I'm getting so much out of these interviews that I've been doing the past few years You know wes is necessary. I say for a few reasons I am completely inspired by business people who have success, but they're grounded And I believe in asking yourself who do I want to become that's what I ask myself often like yo Who do you want to become and then when I close my eyes and I picture who I want to become Then I believe in putting all my effort and energy into becoming that Seeing people like wes it inspires me because it lets me know that it's possible There's always levels to business and success and you know he said that he is inspired by people who are further than him As am I he's definitely further than me. Um, I've checked out all this content and looked at his conference Like he said, I mean 2,500 people come in your conference every year that is a blessing like in person That's pretty dope and having online So man, we got to be praying for people across the world part of the purpose of this podcast is to be able to highlight other christmas entrepreneurs And encouraging inspire each other and the fact that we ain't the only ones inspire guys people is not the only you know, um christmas podcast in the world um balance and faith and business, um, there are you know so many others Unlike the guests that we've had on here recently so I advise you like, you know check these guests out Go into the link in the description and make sure you're clicking their content because all of us combined man Can change the world none of us can do it alone because we're just human in and of ourselves, but the bible says iron sharpens iron So I want to appreciate, you know individuals like wes home, um, a kingdom business entrepreneur from australia Thank you, man. My first australia interview.
Hopefully it won't be my last and um look guys people It has been a good time kicking it with y'all, but uh, I gotta go I got stuff to do you know what I'm saying like I can't just talk to y'all all day anyway Look man, um, if you are listening to the show wherever you listen to it check us out on youtube at inspire guys people Please do subscribe if you enjoy this content like it and share it you got to tell somebody to tell somebody to tell somebody else You know what you read