Ep. 20 - Kurt Hagen, Ryan's better looking, much younger brother and dad-to-be

Ladies and Gentleman, this week we get the pleasure of having not just one but TWO Hagens on the podcast at the same time. Identical twins, separated at birth, Ryan and Kurt have long searched for each other.........yeah, we're just kidding on that matter. Kurt and his lovely wife are expecting their first child this summer. Join us as Jeff, Ryan  and Kurt have an enlightening conversation on role models, becoming a slightly older dad, and why on earth Ryan would leave his family at such a young age. This will be a good one!