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Jun 6, 2016 22 min

Ep. 22: River linking and such contentious issues

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What exactly is river linking? Is it the solution to all our problems? Is it a terribad idea? Is it just something the Congress and BJP plays table tennis with? Who knows? Well we do (sort of) and you can, too! Listen to Naren expound on what the topic is all about, and Chuck's attempts at poetry. (Sorry in advance). If you like us, then let us know! Ping us on Twitter: @chuck_gopal and@shenoyn!

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it feels like everyone's searching for the secret to living longer these days better health sharper minds stronger bodies this is the john t and the dog podcast i'm dr marcus rani and i'm joined by someone who understands performance and resilience better than most international cricketer john t rose in this show we explore the science of longevity from how our bodies age to the everyday habits that help us stay strong sharp and resilient as the years go by catch full episodes on the ibm podcast youtube channel and on all audio streaming platforms and welcome back to another episode of simplify 22 episodes so far marine it's tremendous i don't think my iq is that much so what do you talk about today well uh i've got a question for you since your car horn is a safety equipment how often should you test it my options are a once a year b once a month c once a day and d once an hour uh brain says once a month maybe but given that we are in india i would probably say d once an hour correct answer a year by world you by the powers vested in me a lifetime mumbai driving access clearly you had a bad traffic day you don't know the half of it man i also heard that mumbai what is legally required to test once car horn at least once every year and more often at night or in residential areas or even near hospitals and schools i'm telling you these guys should be flogged i think the heat perhaps in general harsh summer that we are having oh i guess so it's been it has been a little harsh especially auto guys and all they don't have any air conditioning they don't have anything yeah it's extraordinary especially in the interiors of maharashtra uh yeah that's unfortunately not also pretty bad yeah i've been hearing that the ganges uh our great ganga is also like running dry it's it's uh it's always had uh water in it and it's always been flowing but now it's uh i i i read that uh one of the power stations somewhere in west bengal had to close down because they didn't have enough water to run the violence yeah so i i hope the rains are better this year man i mean not just for our sake uh i don't know specifically what's being done about the drought situation i mean but there's a grand plan to link uh you know rivers across india so like all of them like one big yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah that's pretty nice although the thought of having the mithi river linked somewhere to the backwater of alopee is uh slightly that's a lovely thought i mean somewhere no you'll be related it's like six degrees of separation yeah everyone's like you for instance are probably six degrees of separation away from donald trump so that's a scary thought yeah that was the backwater of alopee like for south bombeg guys are like oh i'm just six degrees of separation away from so everyone will be drinking any water any water right there is i've always believed that there's a little bit of everything in everything like for example i shake your hand over here and tomorrow like i'm going to like delhi for a meeting or something i shake my client's hand over there he goes and uh you know meets a friend or whatever that plate to get exchanged at the fast food restaurant etc so basically some dog somewhere in the streets of burgaon will have a little bit of nara in him a little bit of everything and everything yeah yeah yeah yeah clearly there yeah so i was telling you about the crisscross you know it's going to solve a whole bunch of problems so number one it's going to uh you know solve the water problem because there's really water everywhere because all the surplus rivers will very considerably give all the deficient rivers of water then because there are so many canals you can use that for transportation wow so that will become you know a very efficient way of transporting goods nice and wherever there are dams you can make hydroelectric power so country will be self-sufficient and power interesting uh also i don't know if you know but the world famous director mr nolan has uh he's actually walking across these water bodies hence crisscrossing sorry now about these rivers crisscrossing uh do you think it'll also rate us a task force and dowry harassment and most important yarnab goes on me i'm not sure about that indeed i'm not even sure about the things i mentioned earlier namely because there are you know a lot of a lot of different thoughts about the whole thing you clearly sound like somebody who's read up about this and is bursting at the seams unlike our dams to tell us about it so my friend please enlighten us yeah so i'm guilty as charged and i have spent a lot of time reading it and since you're mentioning learned friends i shall proceed to inflict upon you a liar joke so a lawyer named strange is shopping for a tombstone strange and he after he's done selecting he goes to the shopkeeper and he says uh you know i want to buy this tombstone so he says cool i can engrave it for you what would you like written so he says he thinks about it he says your lies an honest man and a lawyer he says so the guy says sorry you know we can bury only one guy at a time so that is only two people unless he said unless he meant the your lies an honest man so this guy says okay then what do you suggest so he says uh well here's what i think would be nice he says uh your lies an honest lawyer how's that sound so he says uh that sounds good but how will people know who it is oh this is no problem every time anyone sees oh your lies an honest lawyer they'll say oh that's strange i like the qualifier anyway to return to the river linking plan i have no idea how you digress to this joke anyway you were saying you had been really yeah so as you rightly diagnosed i've been giving up all these grandiose plans and while it is a you know it's a pet project of the bjp what isn't no but generally this particular one it's special yeah it's a playboy pet i'm clearly past my time okay so yeah so but it's not it's not a bjp idea to begin with because it's been so it's been around for almost 270 years in india yeah it started with an interesting yeah british times okay so it started with an interesting guy named albert no sorry not albert thomas thomas thomas right and uh he was an engineer with uh you know the british government and he's back in the days when engineers didn't go and work on computers they actually used to do so he you know he did a lot of uh surveying and creating dams and things like that he was a hydrological engineer and he realized somewhere down the line because he and he was a nice man he was a good man and he felt a lot for the people that he was working for and he kept noticing that every now and then there were droughts of enormous uh proportions and people simply die in those days if you live in a village and your crops fail you'd only sit under a tree and that that was there was no rescue there was no government you know there's nothing there was no hashtag it was obviously very very yeah no hashtag yeah though very uh painful and uh he he did a lot of work and even to this day uh apparently he's revered in and that's that's like okay so the british did have some yeah so they did have a few and far in between but they did have good people and uh so he uh you know he got this grand idea of connecting the godavari with the kaveri and uh british guys immediately i know another joke and i shouldn't be at you you know but yeah so there is this uh guy so his name is okay and he goes for a job with the british family and uh so british family says uh you know the guy he wants to point him so he says i have a less classy joke uh back in the british large where um there are a couple of bingallis they got themselves into a bit of uh spat and uh they were arrested and they were taken back by the british cops and what are your names strategy and then the cop basically spat in the face and said despite committing such heinous crimes you dare put g in front of your names put their names down as chatter and banner can you please get back to what you're talking about yeah so do you want to have a little break so that we can recover people can recover so we'll be back in like a few seconds good morning evening afternoon my podcast is cyrus fares where no guest no topic and no filter i say from further broker that's me uh monday to friday saturday sunday i'm with our kids we chat with friends you'll never meet traffic jams on streets and people from all professions every monday i go live with the show asking anything a and a beautiful questions i don't send better than a mumbay rich driver i even host a panel discussion called cock and bull where we dive into current affairs and wonder why anyone cares at all and friday releases are always surprise episodes for you all so tune in to cyrus fares on youtube and all audio streaming platforms it feels like everyone's talking about two things right now pickleball and podcast so what happens when someone who's lived her whole life on the court decides to bring those two girls together i'm sanya mirza and i'm bringing you a brand new podcast serving it up with sanya i've had some incredible conversations with friends fellow athletes artists and entrepreneurs each episode starts with a game of pickleball and once the rallies are done the real talk begins serving it up with sanya watch and listen on youtube and wherever you get your favorite podcast and we're back unfortunately unfortunately bad news we're back so we were talking about sir yes and godavari and kamari was it yeah and these people said are you out of your mind and he tried to pass it off as you know waterways which you can use to transport boards and things like that but the government would have none of it and those plans remained in cold storage and in the 60s there was another interesting man his name was kanui laxmana raw and he was an engineer too and he was one of the gun shooting go to america and he became the union minister for irrigation and agriculture and he was very sold on the idea of linking river so he you know he did a mapping and he realized he was obviously man who put two and two together so he knew that all the brahmaputra floods and the godavari runs bone dry so he said put a big canal from brahmaputra to godavari and all the problems worked out but at that time india was really a very poor country we didn't have those kind of resources and those plans went back into the cold storage didn't happen then when the when the janda government came you know the post-emergency government uh they sort of looked at this project very uh very enthusiastically very carefully and then by the time they people started thinking about it they lost the election and mrs gandhi was back again she promptly consigned it to the trust bin and it stayed there till vajpayee's government came back and he pulled it out and he said oh this is a brilliant idea let's do something about it and when they were just about to do something about it again the election happened and the congress came back and put it back and said so mr modi pulled it out and everyone's looking at it and like a 50 year old document everybody's looking at to be honest it looks very nice okay so what it does is it connects all the rivers uh a lot of these uh uh rivers are really when they when they flood so basically what they uh you know what they do is they flood and they destroy property so what these people want to do is canal it out to other rivers which are dry which are dry or drier and there's equitable balance so there there's no flooding and no drought and this is everybody else sounds like a nice idea in theory yeah so basically the idea is to put dams everywhere right and when the dams when the water collects and the dams get into overflow you decant the water to another part of the country and you put dams there as well so when that fills up you decant it to another part and so on and very soon you have you know water everywhere and the thing is the whole objective of this is to allow as little of the water to run off into the sea so all those 205 billion million trillion liters of water whatever falls in India most of it about 70 percent of it goes into the sea so they don't want that to happen and uh yeah so okay okay i'm an engineer hence i forgot my physics so how does this work so um this is worked by gravity so there's some gravity there will have to be some locks so locks are you know you have uh uh you know hydrologically you raise so you have a tank so you sort of artificially induce rivers flow against gravity that's it wow that's so it's obviously extremely uh technologically technically challenging and you know it costs a lot of money that's interesting i am reminded of a poem by the 19th century poet algeron swinburne who was an interesting character by the end right a sadomasochist alcoholic obsessed with lesbianism and the middle ages sounds like a poster boy for some other political parties we have over there uh which i realize uh as i described about 30 percent of the internet porn audience in any case um from too much love of living from hope and fear set free we thank with brief thanksgiving whatever gods may be that no life lives forever that dead men rise up never that even the various river wind somewhere safe to see wow profound profound thank you thank you the poem called the garden of prosper pine okay uh as i was saying old algeron would have to consider mild change to the lines because if the skiing gets implemented hardly any river would ever wind up to sea yeah poor guy would be rolling out all this i wrote all this poem and all well that's the scheme in a nutshell uh benefits are no water scarcity anywhere and lots of water ways to move goods to and for water transportation by the way is the cheapest way of getting good yeah it's slightly slow yeah slow but very very cheap yeah and uh you know everywhere you have a time you have there is definitely yeah yeah it has to be that's right so primarily it is a cost uh it costs it's going to cost some 15 lakh some astronomical amount okay and uh critics say that whatever the cost you budget it is going to be at least 2x or 3x oh okay which is always the case that happens with tesla as well yeah so it's not like yeah it's not a copyright yeah so so most of the critics say that uh you can have for that much money literally millions of ponds and micro irrigation projects all over the country yeah and that is far more robust they say than uh these large mega projects because uh if you have a really really large mega project the lines which are closest to the water sources tend to benefit the most and the ones that are furthest away tend to benefit the least which is not the case of micro irrigation they'll be very decentralized that is one argument second thing is the ecological uh situation is something that nobody knows what's going to happen so this aquatic the riverine aquatic ecological system is very delicate so you have fish and you have birds with prey on specific fish and you have birds which prey on specific birds and so on and so forth and that's extremely delicate so if you time a river and you divert the water and one particular species of bird uh of fish disappears you have an entire chain of species which will probably die out very very rapidly so people say there's no reason for that too yeah sounds like they're being highly picky like if you take a tambourine out of chennai and throw him say in say in the heart of a meat-eating state or something like he'll eventually adapt so uh these schools they adapt the other way the other way look at me and i'm not i keep saying machara you guys will be saying machi So why is the government for it then? Well, first it is something known as politician syllogism So this is again Yes Prime Minister reference So either Yes Prime Minister or Yes Minister So what the Prime Minister's syllogism is What the politician syllogism is Step 1, you know what a syllogism is, right? So it's a method of logical argument So basically all men are bipeds So monkeys are bipeds So monkeys are men So you have proposition 1 And if proposition 2 is true Then proposition 3 Which follows the problem So politician syllogism is So what it says is 1, we must do something 2, this is something 3, it doesn't matter what So this could be anything Like make grilled burgers for the entire country So, wow So second is the large project outlay So politicians love large projects And then you have Kasim Bhattar Zankil Kasim Bhattar Zankil has a grievous supplying company So you can give him a contract And Kasim Bhattar Zankil fawns upon him So many weapons to be cut And the third is grand visible outcome So even when you're dead and gone You'll not be remembered for tiny little pawns But you have this huge massive dam And things like that So that is why the government Everyone who's in power Wants to do something grand You're a sagacious man It's the loss of the Indian quality That you are not one of those members But what is your personal view on this? Well, same as always I'm confused I really don't know So when you hear one side of the argument You're absolutely convinced that it's right And you meet a guy who's very articulate On the other side of the fence And then I mean just in the course of this This part of the recording I was like Great idea, no bad idea I guess So but I only hope That they have a sincere And a reasoned debate Like that Arnab goes on with us every day I sincerely hope not Alright, and before we end Since I've been feeling psychic poetic And since we've been discussing rivers and Arnab shows Here's one, ready?

Okay, fire away This is an original Sometimes I watch the Arnab show And I grimace and wince and frown And fight with my might the desire To jump in the river and drown Beautiful And with that We should wind up And here's hoping for a good monsoon Keeping fingers crossed Hope you have a great monsoon Hope this water shortage and drought goes away And hope to see everything really fine and hunky-dory By the time we come next time And we'll be back with another episode With many more yes minister references More jokes And hopefully a little bit of trying to make you guys Appear a little bit smarter And if you like this podcast Please subscribe to it Be nice You can subscribe to it on any of your favorite Podcasting apps Software iTunes Stitcher Soundcloud I use Pocket Cast And yeah Share with your friends We are on Twitter Please tell us what you think about the podcast Please tell us employers IBM podcast What do you think about the podcast And yeah We'll see you guys soon Bye Have a great week Bye

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