Ep 23: Phantogram

Why Not Both is an exploration of how our multiple passions shape our identity, hosted by musician and therapist Pam Shaffer. For our second season, we partnered up with Under The Radar to explore the lives of musicians, writers, actors, and creatives. Josh Carter and Sarah Barthel of Phantogram joined us to chat all about their new album Ceremony and the ups and downs of living your dreams. From recording in barns to creating the visual spellbook of your ideas, they let us into their creative process and experience of being a band for the past 13 years. Their new music is proof that that magic works, even when you don’t quite know how. Thanks again for listening! Make sure to subscribe, leave us a nice review, and hang out with us on Insta and Twitter.