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EPISODE · Jan 28, 2026 · 1H 58M

Ep. 237: Philip Lawrence | How a $5 Bus Pass Created Bruno Mars

from And The Writer Is...with Ross Golan

Today's guest is a Grammy-winning songwriter, producer, and performer, best known as one-third of The Smeezingtons and a foundational creative force behind Bruno Mars’ career. He has co-written and helped shape some of the most influential pop songs of the last two decades, including Just the Way You Are, Billionaire, Locked Out of Heaven, When I Was Your Man, 24K Magic, Nothin’ on You, and many more...And The Writer Is... Bruno Mars!In this episode of And The Writer Is…, Philip Lawrence tells his story in full—for the first time- How a $5 bus pass led to Bruno Mars- The hidden cost of early success- Real stories behind pop’s biggest records- The pivot that made everything 'click'- A breakdown at the peak—and the call that brought him backand much more...A special thank you to our sponsors…Our lead Sponsor, NMPA— the National Music Publishing Association. Your support means the world to us.And @splice — the best sample library on the market. Period.Chapters:0:00 Intro4:00 “I Just Might” and Bruno Mars10:31 Childhood and Not Feeling Good Enough14:00 Early Career20:00 Leaving School and Auditioning for Disney26:00 The Disney Break Room: The Beginning of His Journey27:00 His First Session30:00 Meeting Steven Seagal34:00 Moving to LA37:09 Losing Everything He Had So Far39:00 Finding His Manager43:00 Finding His Way Through the Industry44:42 His Ego Death45:50 The Pivot That Really Started His Career46:50 Be Friends With All the Assistants47:20 NMPA and Splice48:45 How to Write for Radio49:30 Developing His Songwriting Ethos50:29 Spending His Last $5 to Meet Bruno Mars (Before He Was Bruno Mars)1:05:09 How Bruno Stayed on His Early Hook Placements1:07:28 The Story of Nothin’ on You1:09:20 Billionaire1:11:50 Just the Way You Are1:19:15 Talking to the Moon1:20:49 Ross’s CeeLo Story1:23:00 “F*** You” Was Not Supposed to Happen1:28:00 How Locked Out of Heaven Happened1:33:22 When I Was Your Man / Flowers (Miley Cyrus)1:36:50 Five Songs He Wishes He Wrote1:38:34 24K Magic1:40:36 His Breakdown at the Peak of Success1:48:45 The Comeback Phone Call With Bruno1:50:18 APT1:52:39 Advice for Songwriters + Rapid-Fire QuestionsHosted by Ross GolanProduced by Joe London and Jad SaadPost-Production VFX by Pratik Karki Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

Today's guest is a Grammy-winning songwriter, producer, and performer, best known as one-third of The Smeezingtons and a foundational creative force behind Bruno Mars’ career. He has co-written and helped shape some of the most influential pop songs of the last two decades, including Just the Way You Are, Billionaire, Locked Out of Heaven, When I Was Your Man, 24K Magic, Nothin’ on You, and many more...And The Writer Is... Bruno Mars!In this episode of And The Writer Is…, Philip Lawrence tells his story in full—for the first time- How a $5 bus pass led to Bruno Mars- The hidden cost of early success- Real stories behind pop’s biggest records- The pivot that made everything 'click'- A breakdown at the peak—and the call that brought him backand much more...A special thank you to our sponsors…Our lead Sponsor, NMPA— the National Music Publishing Association. Your support means the world to us.And @splice — the best sample library on the market. Period.Chapters:0:00 Intro4:00 “I Just Might” and Bruno Mars10:31 Childhood and Not Feeling Good Enough14:00 Early Career20:00 Leaving School and Auditioning for Disney26:00 The Disney Break Room: The Beginning of His Journey27:00 His First Session30:00 Meeting Steven Seagal34:00 Moving to LA37:09 Losing Everything He Had So Far39:00 Finding His Manager43:00 Finding His Way Through the Industry44:42 His Ego Death45:50 The Pivot That Really Started His Career46:50 Be Friends With All the Assistants47:20 NMPA and Splice48:45 How to Write for Radio49:30 Developing His Songwriting Ethos50:29 Spending His Last $5 to Meet Bruno Mars (Before He Was Bruno Mars)1:05:09 How Bruno Stayed on His Early Hook Placements1:07:28 The Story of Nothin’ on You1:09:20 Billionaire1:11:50 Just the Way You Are1:19:15 Talking to the Moon1:20:49 Ross’s CeeLo Story1:23:00 “F*** You” Was Not Supposed to Happen1:28:00 How Locked Out of Heaven Happened1:33:22 When I Was Your Man / Flowers (Miley Cyrus)1:36:50 Five Songs He Wishes He Wrote1:38:34 24K Magic1:40:36 His Breakdown at the Peak of Success1:48:45 The Comeback Phone Call With Bruno1:50:18 APT1:52:39 Advice for Songwriters + Rapid-Fire QuestionsHosted by Ross GolanProduced by Joe London and Jad SaadPost-Production VFX by Pratik Karki Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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