Ep. 240: EJAE | A Career Built Slowly and Heard All at Once

Today’s guest is a Grammy-winning songwriter, global pop architect, and one of the most quietly influential voices shaping modern music across borders.Before the world heard her voice, she spent years training inside the K-pop system — learning discipline, structure, and endurance long before recognition ever arrived. When the system didn’t know what to do with her, she pivoted. Slowly. Intentionally. And built a career that would eventually be heard everywhere.Now, as a songwriter whose work spans K-pop, pop, animation, and beyond — and as an artist stepping into her own voice — she represents a different kind of success: one built patiently, shaped by pressure, and defined by longevity rather than speed.And The Writer Is… Ejae!In this episode of And The Writer Is…, Ejae opens up about:The reality of the K-pop training system and what it actually teaches you about discipline and survivalRejection and why her voice didn’t fit the moment — and how that shaped her writingLearning to work alone after years inside a rigid systemHow songwriting became a safer, more powerful entry point than performingThe pivot that reframed her career and led to global successAnd much more…Hit the subscribe button and turn on notifications.Every week, we go deep with the most interesting creatives in music.Follow us on socials: @andthewriterisA special thank you to our sponsors…Our lead sponsor, NMPA — the National Music Publishing Association. Your support means the world to us.And @splice — the best sample library on the market. Period.Chapters:0:00 Intro1:30 Early life & finding music6:10 Inside K-Pop training9:00 Ejae's writing process...28:00 Rejection from auditioning to be a K-Pop Idol... and $5 Karaoke training to pass.41:00 Ejae sings her first song41:37 Sponsor Spotlight: NMPA42:18 Sponsor Spotlight: Splice14:45 Discipline, pressure, and identity23:20 Being let go by the system26:19 The truth about the K-Pop system30:40 Rebuilding in isolation39:15 Discovering songwriting as power50:00 K-Pop's ultimate evaluation: Auditioning to debut50:37 Ejae's rejection and rock bottom... and the pivot that would change everything56:10 Global songs & delayed recognition1:00:00 How she wrote her first songs1:04:00 Writing her first song for film1:07:00 Writing 'Psycho' for Red Velvet at her first session1:13:00 K-Pop vs Pop music... And the reference to 'Psycho'1:14:00 K-Pop Demon Hunters1:20:00 The story behind 'Golden'1:26:00 The original 'Golden' voice memo...1:30:00 The process of co-writing the songs for K-Pop Demon HuntersHosted by Ross GolanProduced by Joe London & Jad SaadCreative Directed by Jad SaadPost-Production VFX by Pratik KarkiWatercolor Art by Michael White Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.