Ep 30. Mark Shayler.

Mark Shayler is a true maverick. His day job is helping companies to save money by focusing on the environment. But Mark has a huge amount more going on and Charlie and Mark talk about wanting to be liked, about kindness, charisma, Mark's book Do/Disrupt, his work as a founding partner of The Do Lectures as well as about being vegan, family and about growing up in Coventry and Australia. There's a lot here and there's even some music from The Specials and Marc Bolan. I hope you enjoy it.