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EPISODE · Mar 5, 2025 · 49 MIN

Ep. 35 – Deepening Faith Through Inter-Spirituality with Mike Petrow and Drew Jackson

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Omid Safi sits down with Mike Petrow and Drew Jackson from The Center for Action and Contemplation, founded by Franciscan friar Richard Rohr, to explore how a unified approach to spirituality can deepen our faith.This podcast was originally published on the  Everything Belongs Podcast, produced by The Center for Action and Contemplation (CFAC).The Center for Action and Contemplation (CAC) is an educational nonprofit introducing seekers to the contemplative Christian path of transformation. Franciscan Richard Rohr founded the Center for Action and Contemplation (CAC) in 1987 because he saw a deep need for the integration of both action and contemplation—the two are inseparable. As Father Richard likes to say, the most important word in our Center’s name is neither Action nor Contemplation, but the word and. This podcast episode explores elements of a chapter in Richard Rohr’s book: “Entering the World of Another: Francis and the Sultan of Egypt.”Today’s podcast is brought to you by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at betterhelp.com/beherenow and get on your way to being your best self.Hosts of the Everything Belongs podcast, Mike and Drew, enjoy a conversation with Omid Safi about:Love as a representation of God in actionThe heart of the Islamic traditionSeeing the soul of the divine in all humansComing from love and returning to loveConsidering how we want to spend our livesThe genocide and pain happening in our worldRemembering the core roots of religion as kindness and loveTraversing across many different traditions and seeing the beauty in it allThe importance of language and art in our experience of life and religionSaint Francis and the Sultan as a model for compassionCombining the mandates of contemplation and action“What if we come to see the human heart as the highest shrine of God? How would it change the way we live together? How would it change the way we treat one another? How would it change the way we walk on the earth? The more our ethics and contemplative life feed into each other, the more luminous all of it becomes.” – Omid SafiSee Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Omid Safi sits down with Mike Petrow and Drew Jackson from The Center for Action and Contemplation, founded by Franciscan friar Richard Rohr, to explore how a unified approach to spirituality can deepen our faith. This podcast was originally published on the  Everything Belongs Podcast, produced by The Center for Action and Contemplation (CFAC). The Center for Action and Contemplation (CAC) is an educational nonprofit introducing seekers to the contemplative Christian path of transformation. Franciscan Richard Rohr founded the Center for Action and Contemplation (CAC) in 1987 because he saw a deep need for the integration of both action and contemplation—the two are inseparable. As Father Richard likes to say, the most important word in our Center’s name is neither Action nor Contemplation, but the word and. This podcast episode explores elements of a chapter in Richard Rohr’s book: “Entering the World of Another: Francis and the Sultan of Egypt.” Today’s podcast is brought to you by BetterHelp. Give online therapy a try at betterhelp.com/beherenow and get on your way to being your best self. Hosts of the Everything Belongs podcast, Mike and Drew, enjoy a conversation with Omid Safi about:Love as a representation of God in actionThe heart of the Islamic traditionSeeing the soul of the divine in all humansComing from love and returning to loveConsidering how we want to spend our livesThe genocide and pain happening in our worldRemembering the core roots of religion as kindness and loveTraversing across many different traditions and seeing the beauty in it allThe importance of language and art in our experience of life and religionSaint Francis and the Sultan as a model for compassionCombining the mandates of contemplation and action“What if we come to see the human heart as the highest shrine of God? How would it change the way we live together? How would it change the way we treat one another? How would it change the way we walk on the earth? The more our ethics and contemplative life feed into each other, the more luminous all of it becomes.” – Omid Safi See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

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