Yeah, all right, so this is also my very first time doing this. Yeah It's like a test round for all of us So me and Kayla already started like us. It's called daily unpacking cool name. I feel like Kayla came up with it and We started off by just you know documenting our day kind of thing that we're gonna do it every day of my travels Then obviously you know you fall off.
Yeah, every day anything every day is like it's a big act Even though it's just like five minutes. It's still hard. It's a big act. Yeah, so I went online and obviously Just a day I have prepared some questions.
I don't want to ask you all of them because it's more like a hundred questions Mm-hmm, and I think some of them suit you better than others and there's some questions. I want to ask you that I'm not honest Cool. I'll take a sip of my coffee. I can't see me Yeah, it's gonna blow just how it is cool flow.
We know we know a lot about flow You know a lot about flow and for those of you that don't know a lot about flow flow What's something I completely used to be when I got here to buy. I didn't know I didn't even know it was called flow I just knew that it was called farting. Mm-hmm, but why don't you tell all of us what flow is how you get into it? We are and Yeah, that's big ask, but yeah, yeah, so flow or specifically.
I guess what we're talking about is the flow arts Yeah, is kind of like within the wheelhouse of dancing and juggling where it's more object manipulation Yeah, the goal and why it's called the flow arts is to achieve what's called flow state And so when you say flow it kind of it applies to way more than just what we do and much in the same way that Kung Fu is like a way of life that you can apply as like a philosophy to anything Yeah, you know you can do the dishes and be doing Kung Fu You'll need to be doing martial arts Yeah, you can be doing flow and everything that you do and and the easiest way to describe this one He's never done it is like if you've ever brushed your teeth or maybe driven home from work And just kind of like lost yourself the thoughts and your brain was just on autopilot the next thing You know you're pulling into your driveway and you're like wait How did I get here? Yeah, you just snap back into reality? Yeah, well you were in flow state your body knows where to go your mind is able to do it without you thinking about it And you can be elsewhere and that's why it's used as a movie meditation Yeah, and so that's that's kind of what flow is and we achieved flow through props and object manipulation and repeating patterns of movement that we learned We create cool shapes and cool processes and dances and you know you train those to the point where it becomes a dance It becomes a flow state. You really lose yourself to it.
Yeah, my place introduction to this was about eight years ago I saw somebody using two clothes sticks on strings and it looked like a nunchuck And they look like a jedi and I was like if a nunchuck jedi is a thing that exists in real life And I'm not that before I die. I was living my life wrong. Yeah. Yeah, so you saw somebody spinning like a homemade prop Yeah, and that just became your life like eight years from almost pretty much Yeah, and I mean so some of the background on me I grew up in like a Muay Thai like boxing gym at my dad owned and so martial arts has always been kind of like a background for Some of the ways I saw things are you know shortly after?
In during I had too much during sparring and going this isn't for me anymore I did dance for about like five or six years and beater for about five or six years when I found fire performance in Flow Arts I was like holy crap like not only is the my real pyro inside of me going crazy happy over this Yeah, I can apply my theatrics and my dance and my martial arts all in one place and I can put it on fire and I can lie down Exactly, that's insanely cool. So Obviously we met in Pi about four and a half months ago The very first time he came to Pi what brought you here like what how did you find this place? How did you heard about it? Why did you say so my buddy Remy was the first person to tell me about Pi and he recommended that I come at the end of my tour Southeast Asia which is about five months because I would want to leak and he was incredibly right like I got to fight the end of my trip I spent two weeks here.
I loved it so much that I wanted to come back I got an offer from Ryan to work with a circus and teach here during the busy season And I was like I want to just like jump on board and say one hundred percent. Yes being a realistic person I'm like let me at home first and figure some stuff out. I got home figured nothing out in two weeks later about plane tickets So, you know, and now you say here and now I'm here. Yeah, I've been back and forth ever since.
Mm-hmm And what was the first time? Oh last time I saw you really the first time I've been here. Yeah, serendipity of things man I thought that you like when I first saw you here I was like first I thought that you lived here and that you've been here a fucking forever and But that's cool that you just found it at the same time as I did I think that's what's cool about community is it just gets you tapped in and then once you tap in like a lot of people assume that It took you a long time to build those connections or relationships. Yeah, when you have that kind of Familiarity with people without such really cool about the flow community is it's incredibly healthy accepting and supportive Yeah, so if you go somewhere and you connect with other people who do this it can seem like you've known them forever It can seem like you've been around forever, and it's really just the fact that it's accepting your own arms Yeah, and you are also a little bit minded person, you know, that's how you fit in so well But then but then when you found high just four or five months ago, you must have known about flow Community by saying before that.
Yeah, well, I knew there was a community for it up here for sure and I've been heavily involved in the Florence community In the United States and more recently been doing some more international stuff I'm gonna fill people up ass flow mads checking out different circus scenes, you know, I travel it's primarily what I do And yeah, like it's one of the awesome things about the community is that it exists globally, and it's not too hard to find the local Piece of your community and it's now each. That's why yeah, yeah, and you can just tap into it wherever you go You know, I know if I go to France or Germany, I can find what I call the floemies lo homies I can find me I can find some floemies to connect with and you know immediately I'll just have quick access to a whole bunch of friends That's amazing. That is really really cool. And then Yeah, maybe I can tap into these these questions So flow arts and tie and I'm just like riff it my mind.
Yeah, breathe in my mind a little bit Because obviously I think the only part of gonna listen to this is Kayla For now for now, right Yeah, it's hard to hear me talk sometimes Like hey, that was kind of why something like it's a rare occurrence trust me So what's your goal with all this like because you've been doing this for eight years now You're incredibly talented you have so many skills You do you do all the fucking props and you do them well And you even teach them all because one thing is like you know you pick up a prop and you're able to like spin it around It looks cool another thing being able to teach it, right? So And I know that you already do workshops here. What's your goal? Like do you want to continue teaching do you want to like have like a known little boy tie gym for yourself?
It's like a not a boy time, but but like a flow arts Jojo Jojo And yeah, I think I love performing but teaching is really my passion and teaching performance even is like even more so yeah You know training performers is just like I love it cuz I see them on stage and I'm like So my goal short and long term are kind of in sync like I want to continue teaching I continue performing is how I get people interested in learning And the reason I like teaching is because with flow arts I found a community that is so healthy and so like supportive and honestly just kind of wholesome Yeah in the way that I really want yeah, it's to be like it's a community of people who not only will like hang out and teach you Things and invest in you as a person, but we'll also party with you and invite you back to the house to like kick it with Yeah, you know like you don't find that everywhere. And so And so what ends up happening is like when I'm teaching people I try to teach them the culture of the community Just as much as I'm trying to teach them the moves of the art form. Yeah, because I think that's so important. Yeah, definitely It's like it's like yoga teachers like I see Harry do the same thing here when he like teaches yoga It's more like I'll introduce you to yoga and then I'll teach you yoga, right?
Because I've been to different, you know Now using yoga as an example Been to yoga classes and you're like, okay, like put your body in this boat. Yeah, why am I doing this right? Yeah, so that's that's a big part. Yeah, totally and for me I think one of the biggest draws to this art form as opposed to another one is the community.
Yeah, it's so big It's so helpful. It's growing. It's growing. Yeah, and I think because of you it is growing And that's what I want is I want to like help contribute to the growth of a healthy organism Yeah, you know and the same way that like, you know You have those old Zen martial arts masters who aren't just telling you like wax on wax office I do move they're saying this is the philosophy of life This is you know a way to be compassionate and also reserved and like all that stuff like that's yeah And I learned that wasn't for my students and by messing up myself and you know, it's not anything that I just intrinsically know It's just yeah, it was all practice shared with me.
Yeah, exactly And when it comes to like when it comes to like finances and how you plan on because you're probably going to you know If you want to continue teaching are you looking to like to like do something with it like 20 years down the road? I imagine that you would want to live off of this and you'd be able to you know Oh, I do live off of it because you already are you already are but do you see yourself like keeping it at this level in the next 15 years 10 years Or do you see escalating? Oh, I mean, I'm an ambitious person. Yeah, you know, that's just why I'm asking.
I guess answers can be fun Okay, so the way I see flow arts in general is kind of where skateboarding was in the 80s and early 90s, right? It was just taking off Yeah, you know before the x games was around like it was just this thing that looked like punsted and there's community for it You know and like companies like bands and stuff they're very small And then what happened was skateboarding blew up in a big way And then what happened all the companies that were there in the beginning had a tiny piece of that high and it's the pie grew So they're sliced and now they're multi-million dollar companies, you know, and you have somebody like Tony Hawk And probably never thought he was ever gonna be famous being one of the most famous people not only in the sport But just a household name in general Yeah, you don't need to be a skateboarder to know who Tony Hawk is and not that I ever want to be the Tony Hawk of fucking Florence But what I do want is to be one of those people whether it's supporting people with props or people with knowledge That helps the community grow so that when the community is larger it's something that also supports me in my lifestyle So I think going the route of becoming a regular teacher at a studio that I either co-owner manage and that's something that my partner Tony is working on yeah, is definitely in the cards for the future and I want to continue traveling and continue trying to share This in different places and so it is a lot more the same But it's also a lot more of the the growth of the same making it bigger making it larger more accessible to people I would love for example to start an after-school program where I guess for free instead of having to charge because I need to make my living and so I hope to be home at a point where I'm financially stable enough with the Teaching and performing that I'm doing that I'm also able to give it freely more often in Context so that would make me feel better. Yeah, I agree with that. So then to pull it back to skateboarding Yeah, and how that blew up.
I can also imagine that competitions were something that definitely blew it up But somebody wanted to show off their skills. They're like I've been practicing this thing for fucking 10 years Yeah, and now there's this rampier with the 15 other people that are gonna that are gonna jump around with me And I'm gonna have a price, you know, it's gonna be like a money price or whatever Yeah, well, and there's a there's a debate on competition in the floor community So some people welcome it because it's like that's gonna make it larger That's gonna like help push that to become a larger thing because then all of a sudden There's a desire for the ambition site to push harder other people are like it will destroy the sense of community We have about really sharing knowledge because we don't want to have secret tech or moves that When you competitions or get you whatever and you know, like for example in LA The flow scene is a bit more competitive because that's how people are all making their money and like their signature moves and things like that Like they don't want to share that information. Yeah, you know, whereas if you go up to someone like Colorado or Francisco Everyone's like, yeah, I do this performing But also I want to show you what I can do. Yeah, and so I can see the argument for both Yeah, I would hope that competition is accepted in a healthy manner Like for example, equilibrium just had a giant dance off the kind of flow Competition and apparently I've not heard a bad thing about it And everyone loved it and I think it's the vibe and the energy with which the competition is held.
Yeah Yeah, like a sim Goddard had a fire boy like fire performance at the Olympics, but he managed a giant fire performance and so Like that it's definitely coming into the mainstream in big ways in different places. Yeah, you know Like for example, it's fire performance or flow arts with different props became an Olympic sporting event. Holy shit Yeah, it's just zero to sixty, you know overnight Yeah, because it's not impossible for me to imagine like because there's like a rhythmic gymnastics. Yeah, it wouldn't it's not impossible in my mind Oh, it's totally like I know what I mean.
Exactly. No, you know gaming is about to be an Olympic sport. Uh-huh, you know, full arts is not impossible Like I so it's like a group like a like a group But sort of like group rhythmic gymnastics. Yeah, the singles right the thing that I worry about is and I think part of this is not just competition But also just kind of because of the capitalist nature of the economy Is that people feel like art is now marketable and if you are not able to market your art that it's not worthy of doing Yeah, like for example everyone who who feels like they're not a good singer I hear often say they don't like to sing singing is enjoyable.
I'm not a very good singer I love to do it exactly and like just because it's not something that you would market or sell doesn't mean it's not something you Should express or enjoy doing I agree and so I never want flow to feel that way to anyone I don't want anyone to feel like I'm not good enough. So therefore I'm not gonna do it Yeah, and so yeah, there's a balance that's there and I hope the culture that exists in the flow X community is what continues on if it ever does become competitive. Yeah, and inevitably does become very large Because it is I don't see the string And it's such a simple, you know entertainment and there's no shortage of events in the world I want like somebody that knows that it's been shipped out on fire, you know, so I only see this growing It's only I almost yeah, it's amazing. It's so good.
We're having we're having simple for the same I smoke up. Oh man. It's so good. It's like a dollar.
It's a thirty bucks a dollar and it lasts for like a solid You know 40 minutes if you drink it slowly. Yeah, yeah working last like two minutes if you just jug it It was just hard because it's delicious. Yeah, yeah, yeah, sweet and condensed milk man everywhere It's Southeast Asia they get you with that like oh you're fruit smoothie like oh, yeah, I got fruit smoothie That's healthy and then there's four like a half a cup of sweet and dense milk in there. Yeah, you're just like oh man This is no longer healthy, but it's so delicious Then the next time don't ask you like I should say no Awesome, so let's move on from like flow arts because it's definitely, you know a big topic around here We're in pie.
We're at paradise which hosts the biggest fire show. We're saying Northern Thailand I don't know if there's even another fire show in Thailand. That's why we can say yeah I just want to know the time and make sure that we're actually saying it is Showing Northern Thailand. I've been blessed to be part of it twice now.
I think twice three times. It's been fucking awesome I love being here and this only a chance for me to come back here like when I say goodbye on Wednesday It's gonna be a temporary one. Yeah, yeah, so I'm gonna go through some of these questions because The idea behind this podcast is more like a traveler's thing. Okay, that's perfect because I you know the first part I wanted to be you know about you and about what you do and that's not how it's gonna be with everybody And I was gonna be more like a general like a traveler's.
Okay, and it's an introduction because flow is just a huge motivator in part of my travels Yeah, exactly I'll probably be hearing about it a lot. So it's good to have that perfect Um, so now I already know I brought you the first time that something weren't asked you And then when was the first time you left your home country because you're from San Francisco Yeah, you were born and raised there. I was born there. I was raised all over the country.
I moved around Alaska Cool. Yeah, because we gave me a bit of the wonderlust Yeah, I imagine that and then when was the first time you left the United States? So when I was like 13 my family went on a cruise no 14 14 I think I got to go to the Bahamas and the Haiti and all that's very structured But it was my first time out of the country and it definitely did my toe and going like oh, this is totally something that's attainable I feel like a lot of people, you know, like I come back home and people like oh my gosh You did that thing like I wish I could do that and like you totally can yeah Yeah, I think that's having you know and people like oh my responsibilities or this it's like yeah You don't think I've had those exactly. You're also choosing them like you know, it's prioritization, right?
You're choosing to do things that you're doing. Yeah, um, but when was the first time you left by yourself and I pants um I went to Thailand with a partner five or six years ago. Really? Yeah, Thailand is my third time here Um, I love it so much because my favorite country I visited outside of the US cool.
Um, but yeah, I've been to India, Cambodia, Indonesia, Thailand, Philippines Uh, I've been to Mexico, Haiti, Jamaica Um, you know, like you've brought flow arts all over there or everywhere I've gone like when I was in India I was there with performers that borders and it's like this circus traveling circus And we would go to like, you know low-income impoverished areas or like the slums or like the villages that are really remote we don't even speak so cool And like put on a show for people who've never seen this stuff and then we would work with the kids at like the community centers or What have you and just data for a month and teach them performance arts and how to juggle and that's so cool Yeah, it was so rewarding so much imagine. Yeah, that sounds fucking cool. Um, and then I know all these um So maybe you've already touched on this, but what was the core motivation for you to decide to start traveling Other than like other than like, you know, you knew that you were able to because you have been moving around when you were younger Like what what got you to be like, okay, this is what I want to do So in the United States, this guy named Donald Trump on the election That's hilarious Um, I honestly just think it came from wanderlust like like I said on the kid I moved around a bunch Yeah, I can't really live anywhere for longer than three years because I've got a little shaky and being like, what's next? I feel saggy if I don't yeah, and I think that hurt that so many times Yeah, like that traveler adv just ramps up the older yet.
Um, and pie actually is the first place where I've Like, oh, I could actually stay here for a while while. Yeah, he's a maybe as a home base Yeah, um, and so yeah, I think that's really what it came from is the more you travel the more you want to travel And the more you feel like when you're not traveling that you're you should be you know But that's because that's something that I hear from people all the time when I see him When I ask you know, my friends back home that I went to school with like what do you want to do when you grow up? Like what what are you waiting for like after your degree? You got your job like now you've gone to school for this fucking diploma And now you're gonna go like what what are you looking forward to?
And all of them go like well, I would like to go travel. It's like why don't you already go do that? Yeah, you don't need the diploma to do that. You do not need a diploma to go travel No certification for you're ready to leave the country I think especially in the United States It's a bigger prospect because like we're bordering Mexico and Canada and that's it Yeah, you know like like in Europe They're way more likely to travel because like the distance it takes us to go from one state to another is one country to another for them You know, you drive a hundred miles in one direction.
They're speaking in different language There's different foods different culture different community different architecture in America. You drive a hundred miles in the same damn place You know, so I think traveling is a prospect for us because like we don't it's a non concept until you leave the country Yeah, which is a big investment, right? It costs at least five hundred dollars to get across from a civic or Atlanta Yeah, you know, you're in the financial situation. You are in the United States You know, the middle class is getting smaller and closer to the lower class.
Yeah, so five hundred dollars It's not something you can just whip out of your back pocket. I'm gonna go travel. It's not so Something else popping behind when he said that Did you have any expectations from family or friends when you decided to leave expectations like what like did you have anybody tell you that? You're doing a mistake.
Did you have anybody tell you that we want you back here This is what you should be doing like. Did you have anybody trying to trying to interfere in your decision to leave? Yes, and no in a beautiful way. Not necessarily.
Everyone was very supportive. Yeah, we're gonna do that Yeah, but the no is also it's a beautiful story actually So when I was going to do the performers about working in India, I was doing fundraisers and having some parties I had all these friends in Portland who had to really hung out with each other. They'd seen each other Everyone so I don't think they never really connected and I constantly told them like hey guys You would all love each other so much you need to hang out like I love you guys. I can see why you guys would be friends They're like, yeah, I just don't have time or I always spend that time with you and I was like fine And so I had like three different events that were like going away party slash fundraiser things And they all went to and they all spent a lot of time there because they were all lingering towards the end And so the five of them or six of them would hang out We don't drink tea and it really gets to know each other really well and the last party the last night right before I go They're like when you coming back home, and I was like, I don't know.
I might just go live somewhere I have no idea if I'm even coming home and they're like, no, no, you have to come home Like we miss you, you know, you have to come back and I was like, I don't know if I would I would bring me back What's waiting for me here? And they're like well, what if you had a place to live? And I'm like, I mean, I'm not worried about having a house. No, no, no, no What if we all moved into a house together and saved you a room?
And I was like, okay, wait a minute if my Four or five best friends move into a house specifically to save me a room to get me to come back to the country I would not be able to say no to living with my best friends Literally living in the most intentional of homes, you know, that was made for me, you know And I never thought that was gonna happen So I'm in India for two months and they send me pictures and videos of them all hanging out I get my buddy Pete my tea set which is what we all kind of get together We all have tea together and so they send me pictures of them all hanging out in tea and part of me was like, oh, yeah Now that I'm on you're all hanging out together The other part was really happy that they found each other finally So two months in I got a video call and it's all of them and they're like, hey, you're coming back home And I was like, I don't know and they're like, no, no, no, you're coming back We all just signed the lease on a new house because we found out all of our leases ended at the same time And we're saving you a room so that was the deal and I was like, oh, you motherfucker I guess I'm coming back and so like that month I bought my plane ticket back and then after my tour was over I went back home. I lived with them for a year. It was cool and amazing year. That's beautiful.
It was so great And so I get out people calling me back home. It was the best expectation though It was the best expectation. That is awesome. And they supported me.
They knew I was I was going out doing like fun good things for me and other people That's so cool. And then I have um, yeah, these are more like travelers questions, so I want to keep moving on this What's the most important lesson or lessons you can name three you have learned while you've been well being on the road Oh, there's probably a lot there's a lot there's probably one you think every single day if not more than one thing every single day Yeah, you learn but something that you know stuck with you something that that was implemented into your core a few things I think especially traveling in places that are not quite as touristy is a huge thing that people should do It's really easy to be in a country and spend all of your time in places that appeal to western Mindsets and palettes Yeah, that's what you know, but you're not in another country to do what feels safe Yeah, so I guess the first thing to do would be to put yourself in new and interesting situations And not just be what reminds you of home. Yeah, you know And that being said that directly links to the second part Which is respect the local culture and customs and make sure that you're leaving their country and their community in a better spot Then you left it. Yeah, then you then you arrived to it.
Yeah, because like so many people come They take advantage of the difference in economy and get your face to the party and elite, you know And like like while that's okay sometimes, you know Everyone needs a cathartic release of you know energy whether it's party or whatever at the same time You want to make sure that's for some somehow they benefited from you being there. Yeah, because You know these people like that's their life people coming and going and coming and going and you don't want them to resent the people coming and going We want them to appreciate them and for every local I meet who has a smile on their face and like makes me feel at home There's another one that I can tell has been burned and they're like damn people coming to my country Yeah, man I don't think people are empathetic enough of going like yeah, you know If you go on a rice to her rice paddy to her and you're walking around my eyes You're seeing people working doing whatever like how would you feel if you were at work at home and some tour guide brought a bunch of I don't know like Japanese tourists or German tourists or something through your job And they all started taking pictures of you like you were some exotic thing to them Yeah, and you were just supposed to deal with it and you weren't benefiting from it. You're like paid for that people taking pictures You know you would probably be like the fuck yeah, you know like I remember one time I was going through the jungle and I walked by and I was like this is such a beautiful place And there's this person and I saw their home and like they waved at me And I waved at them and it was really nice, but then part of me realized I was like man If I was back home and somebody just walked through my backyard, I might not just wave at them You're American minded also I'm gonna get my fucking shotgun Yeah, but it's just you know and you're right you want to break your conceptions of home But you also just want to make sure what you're doing is everything back 100 percent Yeah, I agree with that fully That was two. Do you want another one?
Oh, yes, um, let's see the third one Um, and this is for all my hippies out there. I love you guys You got to protect your feet like you don't always have to wear shoes I understand the wants to not do it But like protecting your body in general is really important But your feet are what's taking you everywhere And if you're walking barefoot everywhere and you get a cut and you don't get that treated and you don't put on shoes And it gets infected and then you still don't put on shoes Like there's a part of me that is like, well, you're asking for it So like wear fucking shoes Where where's shoes when you're going? It's India talking about it India's definitely putting on our shoes Yeah, um But uh, you know, like don't let that take away from enjoying yourself And I like taking my shoes off the beach and then I just feel as much as the next guy But just you know protect yourself. Yeah, I like that Whether shoes are sunscreened or whatever that means to you Just take care of your body I love that Uh, there's a lot of people walking around here with barefoot or barefoot I reacted on it strongly when I first got here And there were a lot of people talking about it It's like you cannot go without choosing at walking street because you're disrespecting the culture And the type of people are going to look at you and judge you And then but every day I go to walking street There's one or two or three people that are walking around there without shoes And I'm not, you know, I'm trying to be aware of my judgment Be aware of stuff like this I'm not trying to, you know, even though I'm trying to adapt the culture I'm not adapting to the judgments of the culture I'm not going to judge you for not wearing shoes But we see it every day, we see it all the time So it's definitely a difference between walking street Which is literally the white part of town This is like a traditional Thai business When there's a bunch of tourists and hippies walking around in the place for tourists and hippies It's not so bad But when you're walking into a business that's like a local business And like you're barefoot The reason it's a custom is it's not a judgment about like where she was because that's arbitrary It's because like in their culture, you know, it's not hygienic to not wear shoes Because you take your shoes off and you're at their house If you're not wearing shoes, then basically it's like walking on their house With your shoes on Yeah, correct So imagine if somebody came in your house with carpet and whatever And they just let their shoes on He'd be like what the fuck?
Yeah, I'd be the same thing Exactly, so when they see that, they're not judging you because oh, that person doesn't wear shoes They're saying you should come outside They're actually outside indoors and they try to keep that area nice Exactly, so that's really what it's about Yeah, love that So here I have another one which Because they have responsibilities, like we touched on earlier So what would you say to someone that is wanting to travel, but it's unsure about the execution The easiest way to do it Is to wait until your lease is up Wait until, you know, you find a good point with your work Which might never happen And like, you gotta create it You gotta create that, you gotta create that And that's the thing is like You want to leave as little responsibility at home as possible Credit card bills, all those things Student loans And here's what happens People will come traveling, they'll visit time for two weeks They'll be kidding, I want to stay here longer But I have an apartment that the lease is not up at Or I have a dog or I have a cat I am an animal person I don't know any pets Because I can't have a responsible pet right now in my life And making sure that your responsibility Even your physical things are something that's easier to deal with Is what's going to make traveling a more realistic possibility Like I remember when I downsized from having a whole home worth of stuff To two Rubbermaid bins and two backpacks worth of things That's all of my possessions in the back of the car And as soon as that happened The world became so much more open and accessible to me And I think that's the biggest advice I can give Is make your life something you can pack up And I know that's intimidating, but do you really need all that stuff? You don't That's the answer You don't And then so many of us have parents that have maybe an attic or a basement Or a friend that will hold some stuff for us in space Do that First time Use eBay and tell yourself Exactly And the first time I went when I was holding on stuff My friends held stuff in their basement for me for a little while And they were cool with that at your mother's box And then I was going to go So finding a stopping point for your responsibilities And making sure you're planning to travel You can either And I don't want to sound like one of those super conservative people Who's just like You just stop getting your Starbucks every day And now you're saving money So you can afford health care It's like that's not how that works But it's a viable fucking option It's a viable option for traveling if you are not in poverty Yeah You know and it is difficult nowadays But there are ways to make that money Like for example Living in a place like I had a benefit of living in Oregon Minimum wage was $12 an hour And it was a server Which means I made tips And I made $20 an hour in tips 20 to 30 So that means I'm making $30 to $40 an hour That's incredible You know And so it's not too hard in that scenario To like put that away And to get that job I didn't need a load of qualifications You know I they don't want to fucking agree You know And a lot of people have some food service industry And so I encourage people look for work That will suit their lifestyle Not just take what they have coming Because I know a lot of people will get a job And then they won't look for another job And so they're so burned out That they want to quit Or like they get fired And the thing is You should always be looking for another job Always Because there's better opportunities out there for you And your work Like is not going to treat you The way that they expect you to treat them You know Use your sick days Use your time off Like when you put in two weeks What happens They take you off the schedule They don't give you two weeks You have to give them two weeks And if you don't give them two weeks Then they don't give you a positive You've got to realize that you're the biggest advocate For taking care of yourself financially And you know Kind of keeping all of that in mind Will help you when it comes to traveling Because you'll be In a place of Enablement Yeah I love that So the message that the answer to that question Essentially is You know Take responsibility for what it is that you can take responsibility for Adapt the minimalistic mindset Sell your shit And then And then you know If you want to travel And if you're like You're not going to do it right away Then you have a year or two Depending on you know How old you are I think it's never to late to travel You can be 40 Oh I'm really not And say for two years And before to still be able to travel I mean 40, 50 year old Self-traveling 80 year old Strapper I mean what happens For somebody You fucking buy an RV You live out of that Traveler Exactly So you're going to end up traveling Yeah And that's the thing Is everybody wants to do it They just have a different plane for how to do it And every older person That I've met traveling Tells me It's a good thing you're doing it while you're young Yeah You know Because hey You're just going to keep doing it your whole life It'll be a lifestyle But be If you wait until you're old All the stuff that you want to do Like scuba diving Yeah Rock climbing So why are you traveling? Do joints are not going to let you Exactly So you know Do it while you can Yeah I love that So save money This is one thing that I really want to touch on Because you want to travel Work for a year With that intention in mind Save money for a year Don't buy the $7 Starbucks You know Live in a cheap house Don't go to the Minimalistic mindset Four year And then grab that chunk of money And you don't This is one of the things That's the price of the fuck I mean when I first came here I don't need that much money Yeah I came here with $4,000 When we're two people And we've survived for You know four months Right And if I was alone Which most travelers travel alone You don't need that much money I mean you can buy a meal for 35 bucks Which is $1 And that will cover everything Yeah And that's what we need to open People's minds Like people don't want to travel This is the reality of travel Don't let anybody that have to travel Tell you how to travel Because they don't know Yeah That's why we should start This fucking podcast I'm on top of that A few things About like Financing traveling One is There are ways you can do travel Without it being 100% out of your dime Like if you're working with a charity And you want to go do something Right Make sure A that you're doing something That's not just volunteerism And if you do something volunteer See which I've done Make sure that you understand That that's what it is And that you're not just Doing this whole altruistic high ground Oh look at me doing the thing And posting on social media That sounds like a good person Working with kids And blah blah blah blah Like you know Do it for the right reasons And if you are And you know You've got a good community You can fundraise for that People will send you Out into the world To go do good things They will You know And I fund raise And made $1,000 to go do that Yeah And so If you can find a reason To travel And a reason That people would want To support you Then they will So that's the first thing And the second thing Is figure out what you have to offer That you can offer in More places than Where you're at at home Supertable I perform And I like teach right All over the world Like paradise That will want a Flow teacher for a while Yoga teacher's job Can be found all over the place You know If you're a tattoo artist You can go to a tattoo studio And ask them if they want to host you for a month Then a lot of them will Yeah If you own a camera I know how to take pictures Or want to make videos Or make another thing I have a cousin Who cuts hair And she does his awesome exotic styles With crazy colors And crazy cuts You can do that anywhere in the world You can do that anywhere in the world The thing is You go to like Some remote places in South America Or Asia All the people who live there Have internet They all want that But they don't have access to it So if you go to a hair salon And you're the only thing in town And you're only there for a month Everyone who's ever had that aesthetic in mind Is going to come to you You're going to make a bunch of money And then use that money for the next 3-4 months So you can you know Run out of money And you know Grab your skills and barter And then be able to continue traveling That's the point And I feel like there's this thing about Oh yeah Travelers They just go to somewhere sleepy And chill for a while And all they do is like Go save money So they can go do nothing And the thing is Is like You're not doing nothing when you're traveling But also What the fuck is wrong with that Because like Travelers are some of the hardest working people I know Like They don't go home And work like a little while So like make sure they're making enough money for their bills They go and work every hustle they can As long as they can As safe as much as they can So they can travel So they can travel You know And every minute of that they earn It's a lifestyle That's why people get so confused So they're not confused They're like Create a fear in themselves And they want to like go travel Because most people don't want to travel Already have a different kind of lifestyle They're like They're like they go to school Or they have this education Or they have to go to this like Cubicle job And they're like How am I going to be able to travel with all these things Well you need to completely change your mindset about it You got to change your lifestyle Yeah you're going to change You got to completely change that I love that Alright Let's step back a little bit So I like destinations There's so many things that I have You know Just by traveling There's more and more things that I want to see Right We even talk about that when we're talking about Buddhist You know what I'm talking about? Buddhist is the biggest Buddhist in the world Yeah I looked that up And you know There's a list of fucking Buddhist I'm like I need to go see these things right So what are some destinations that you've been to That you wish that everyone in areas could see Okay so There's a few of them And kind of on this note I'm just going to digress a little bit Yeah Traveling with a sense of purpose Is always better than aimlessly wandering Because aimlessly wandering is not bad And you will see all sorts of stuff You'll get into cool scenarios As long as you let yourself be open to opportunity However Having a rough goal of like I'm in this city I want to go see the thing on the other side of the city I'm going to walk there And let myself get distracted by all the Figuring out what that kind of sense of purpose When you're traveling You're the way they're visiting these things I'm going to talk about Or doing something Or looking for an experience Like that will set us home That's a good thing to talk Yeah I love that So some of the things Uh And they're more experienced Is to seek out Not just specific things to see But uh When I was in India I was in Varanasi Which is like a very holy city On the Gandhi's River Cool And it is absolutely beautiful Lots of temples to explore A lot of like Indian heritage and culture there That you can really see And I happen to be there for holy Which if you guys don't know It's that Indian festival celebration Where they It's known as like a paint festival Oh the color thing Yeah you see like People don't paint And all this stuff And let me tell you That was one of the most fun times I've ever had And it's done differently Depending on who you are And where you're at Varanasi was a crazy place to do it Because the party was just raging And what they do at night Is the night beforehand They create these giant bonfires On every street corner In the entire city And light them on fire And if you see a fire on a street corner It means there's a giant speaker system Set up there And everyone's dancing So you'll literally walk around the city From giant bonfire to giant bonfire Seeing these huge parties In all these different places And um It's so cool to watch them let loose Because India has a very um Conservative culture And so this is kind of like Somebody Like affectionately called this the day That God's not watching Quote unquote And so uh Recording a podcast So um Like it really is People kind of like go there So like there's a lot of like Anti-gay uh Sensent in India However on that day You'll see men making out with each other No one's baton and I Because that's the day it's acceptable That's just weird Terge Interesting Yeah and like Being around that energy Yeah and being around that Energy of catharsis For thousands of people Who live in such conservative minds It's really interesting Everyone's so happy Everyone feels like liberated And you really don't get to see that And the kids They interact in this in a really interesting way Somebody at some point Started the culture Putting the paint In water guns And so the kids Stay up on the rooftops Because all the particles And they squirt down And they'll be in like The side streets with water balloons And like classic bags filled with water and paint And they'll just ambush you These kids are no jokes setting up traps Like I remember I was trying to get to a friend's house And we were like looking for like a way That we're not just going to get Hammered and paint And there's this one alleyway Where this little girl Who was like wearing like this really nice dress And didn't look at painted or anything I'm like oh this is probably pretty safe So I'm following her down And all of a sudden she books it And starts running down the thing And I was like huh Get a little weird little kid And then I look to the side And I look on both the walls And there's these silhouettes Of people And I just paint On the wall And I'm like no And I look up And there's like 12 kids With five-gallon buckets Filled with paint Going over the top of the street Story building And then just crash On it And then as soon as that happens A huge army of children Turns the corner And starts stampeding towards us With water pistols And water balloons Literally yelling Ahhh Squirting us with like paint Throwing paint water That is so cool And we're booking it out of there We're like no And the kids are catching up And they're getting us And eventually we get out We get back And we're like you know what?
Parting with the adults And drinking and all that stuff That was fun But let's like load up With some water balloons And some water guns Let's get these kids back So we went around Like getting an army of adults And like filling water balloons Putting them in our backpacks Like water guns Filled with paint And we started looking for these kids Eventually we find the alleyway We find the kids And we get into this like little street Kind of close quarters Combat with them And playing with them And it was just a really fun time Eventually they run out of water balloons And we felt So we see them like they had us We're hocking these water balloons We're going there All of a sudden We turn a corner And there was like Shit you're not 50 kids At this little water spigot In this other hose Refilling their guns Getting new paint And they're like It was like an army So we turn the corner And all the kids look at us And it was like It was like the oh shit moment Like we just stumbled upon their huge amount of reinforcements And so the kids just rush us And we just like outnumber 10 to 1 Just like fighting back You know those with water Eventually we run away Everyone's laughing It was this time of life It was just one time of year One time of year Holy festival Holy festival I think it's H.O.L.I Explain to me the pains Because when I imagine You know you'd be walking You'd be explaining You'd run down these streets You'd be in tossed pain at Like you'd get pain in your fucking mouth And your eyes Everything Your time is just taste Like what is it What is the pains What is that? So it's almost like The way I thought of it It was like Indian fireworks Right? So we have our new year celebration We do explode giant things in the sky Really colorful It's like our reset It's our new year So for them they have that similar thing With their paint Like it's very colorful It's very festive And it's explosive And it paints in the air And people are like You know people come up too And they literally just smudge some paint on your face And then other people come up to you And they'll throw paint in the air And it'll just kind of rain down on everybody And you know that other kid Will just come up too And spray you with the water gun in your shirt And like I remember I was like Damaging a way to imagine Like it's not something that It's painfully to get in your eyes It's not unpainful It's not unpainful Let me tell you this way You're India It has mass produced paint For like the most populated country In the world In the entire country It is celebrating So I imagine that It might not be non-toxic In some cases I don't know You just find street vendors With plastic bags Pull this stuff So I got no clue But like one day out of the year You're going to hurt you And the experience you get out of it Is just absolutely If that took a week off my life It was damn worth it You know what I mean? It took a week No no no It was one day But what I'm saying is like If I inhaled some pain or something You know And here's the thing It's a communal mindset Everyone's like on that same page I remember When I was in the thick of it I was in the third story of a building And I saw this guy on a motorbike And there's a guy behind him on the motorbike And I'm like I'm going to throw this water balloon at him I don't know what possessed me I was just like in the spirit of it I guess Or I don't know I was just being juvenile I was playing with kids all that Yeah I throw a water balloon from three stories up It hits the driver On the temple In the floor Wow Spoosh all over He stops on his sweater Looks around the rooftop To see where it came from Pakes his helmet off Looks up and sees me And you know he does He puts his hands up like this And he goes Happy Hallelujah That's amazing And I was like I love this place I love Indian people They're so nice And welcoming That's so cool What's cool is that was the best of it But really in India The hospitality I encountered And the amount of welcoming It's a part of their culture It's like if you're a traveler And a visitor You're a guest Yeah You're a guest Well India has Hinduism All about Hinduism Yeah Like Buddhism But yeah But yeah To them You are a guest And they treat you like a guest And it's beautiful That's so cool man I really want to go to India I've connected with some people from India From social media I meet people here every single day I've been to India I'd be like you need to go to India It's a place of extreme high highs In the low lows Yeah Because you'll see some of those spiritual Like stuff So here's one of the most wise words And have some really deep connected things And really learn some stuff about yourself In the world But then you'll step outside And you'll be angled deep trash With mangy street animals And homelessness rampant And beggars And you're just like Like I was in this beautiful or nate Opulent temple Where they were preaching about how you are The universe is you And you need to take care of your body Because it's sacred And then you walk out And see how they treat the earth And it's this weird Extremism of high highs and low lows And so anyone going to India You need to be ready for it It's emotionally taxing In both ways And you need to go to not just the tourist destinations You need to go see more than the Taj Mahal You need to Yeah, you need to see how people live And you need to really think about it It's spent some time getting to know these people Yeah, because it gives you a perspective And it helps you throughout your life as well Like even just being here in Thailand Seeing people On the rice fields You know, living in these jacks Alongside the right field That's why they look holy Exactly And I'm like It gives you such perspective I keep thinking about Me being born in Norway When I could have been born in Chile And if I was born in Chile They would still be off-force Yeah So it's just crazy It's not crazy It's not rewarding I think Even though it can be emotionally taxing It's truly It gives you a new perspective And it helps I believe it has helped me Be more thankful for life Yeah, I can be more grateful for what I have That's what's rewarding with traveling When it comes to me at least When I ask you this question This is about your bucket list And I know that you've probably crossed up a lot of things And I already I have to certainly Throughout this travel So what's your next item on your bucket list?
There's probably many But what's what do you think you'll go to cross off next? I don't like You know, there's a small bucket list I'm in the major bucket list I don't think it'll be yours I am so surprised that I'm 28 And I still have not gone sky diving Really? Yeah, like I've gone bungee jumping I've gone pace plunking a kilometer and half on your ground I've gone shark cage diving Oh that's cool Yeah, I've done so much shit I've like spun fire Standing in water Going underwater to do a buzz saw With the flames above Like I've played with vital plankton In a thunderstorm At the house casket Cambodia I've been in fucking monsoons In India Like I've done crazy shit Never gone sky diving I don't know why Like it's just And you want to go sky diving At the time it's not happening I feel like that's one of the big bucket list times Everyone has Yeah, I think When sky diving in Florida It was not as exciting You know, because it's fucking flat But we did a 14,000 feet I think I think we actually did 11 And that was a minute free fall So it's like it's a minute of gasping air I'm trying to fucking breathe, right? Yeah, and then I don't do it once But you can also do 18,000 feet I think It's the highest, you know, commercial Available Available that you can do like unprofessionally Yeah And that's two and a half minutes of free fall Yeah, that's a lot That's a lot I thought 60 seconds was long Yeah Because you know, it was my first time I didn't yell Congratulations I had no clue what I was going in for I was like I was just going to hop out of a fucking plane Pull it You know, it's somebody like push me out And then we do some fucking spins around And then like pull your hands out And then you're supposed to try to breathe for 60 seconds Which they didn't tell you that you would It's more like You've got to go into survival mode You're going to survive But you know, it's going to be somewhat uncomfortable Yeah, yeah So, um Let's go back to like, to home a little bit Um, what's the person?
This is going to be a simple like a one word One sentence answer That I can do like many Have you met me? Yeah, I have to But yeah, I have to Who is the person at home you miss the most? Oh man, that's such a loaded question Yeah, my friends are going to hear this podcast And be like, you said this person I thought we were tired You can do a safe one You can just like be your mom or dad or something My momma The person I miss most at home Because you have your partner here, which helps a lot When it comes to like, missing Yeah, you have somebody to love, somebody to love you Like, on the road, it's such a good thing One of the reasons I miss him More so than I would other people Isn't because I care about him more Of course not But my buddy Peter is one of my best friends In the whole world And him and his partner Bailey, who I also love Are starting a family And Bailey is about to give birth Like, she's right at that edge And yeah, and like, I wish I was there for that That's cool I miss him, I miss her And they're starting a family Which I don't even know if I'll ever get to that point in my life You know, maybe I will, maybe I won't But I know that I'm going to be an uncle To their kid and do my best damn job that I can Yeah, I've heard that people that want to have kids You know, when somebody they know have kids That they don't need to Because I have this other kid Yeah, yeah, I'm an uncle so hard Yeah, so I miss him a lot And I miss her And I really wish I was there to do that So she's like about to pop Oh yeah, she's like Kayla Yeah, just like that She's two and a half months in now Yup, like two and a half months in Yeah, yeah That's what I'm saying So what, and then what home comfort do you miss the most? Home comfort Tony, Tony mentioned one yesterday And I didn't realize How much I miss it How much I miss it And I didn't even realize I didn't have it until she said it But like a couch Oh, wow Like all the seating here is wood Yeah, or on the floor Yeah, in the cushions are nice And so I don't do this up But like, there's no soaps It's not a single couch I just fucking realized that too That's what I'm saying I don't even realize it And so she said it and I was like Actually though Yeah, sitting on a couch sounds nice So I didn't even realize that What food from home do you miss the most?
You can get a lot of those out here actually One that I miss the most That I actually missed before Even left this country Because it's a regional dish in the US Because it's this thing called Green Chili in Colorado And it's like Green Chili As you can get from Arizona or Utah Or Arizona Like kind of South West And you know, a lot of places have that But Chili made with Green Chili's It's so good And they would smother burritos in it And put it inside of burritos And oh my god It was just it was flavorful It was a little spicy And changed depending on what family owned The restaurant Oh, that's cool Oh, that's so good Like any of those like regional foods That like, you know, changes depending On the recipe of the people who make it Like what's not consistent That's my favorite Try that out in the place Like up here, it's how it's like How soy man, fuck That's something that I've definitely fallen in love with Yeah, you miss it I am going to fucking miss it Unless I learn how to make it Or maybe even kale out It's going to like, you know Learn how to make it, which would be nice But I'm going to definitely find like a Thai restaurant I'm going to move there Ask them to make it You could literally tell them They have all the things to make it Yeah, if you like learn how to make it Like, I'm just like, hey, can I Like get to know you guys? Yeah Fucks with you guys in the kitchen Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely Hit that Thai with a really heavy American accent And be like, Sabai di mai Yeah Which means, how are you, right? Yeah, um If any say, somebody pop, which means I'm good, right? Sabai di mai, so sabai means good Sabai means like, I'm doing well like good D means just good So you're basically being like Good, good, yeah You're saying good in two different words So it's so weird Oh, yeah, for example, one of my favorite Thai words That's one of the questions I wanted to ask Like, how many, uh, what was it?
Uh, how many foreign words do you know? Yeah, uh, so I try to pick up a little bit Especially if I'm spending a lot of time in that country Yeah, um, you know And so like, I've got a few written down here For Thai that are my favorite Cool So, uh, and Ryan is helping me with this We're taking Thai classes Yeah, but um, Nam Kana is what they call ice And what that translates to is hard water What? They're working for ice is hard water That's so cool I love it I love it's no nonsense It's like, we don't need to work for that It's just hard water Yeah, of course I don't know So that kind of thing Like, for example, the way that they say Like, um, like, you're a very loving person Uh-huh And I'm probably butchering this But it's koon-mi-nam-jai Koon-mi-nam-jai And that means you have water heart Like, you have a heart that flows like water That's cool And like, that's how they say you're a loving person Oh, that's awesome And it's very poetic But like, and that's not someone being poetic That's just how they say it Yeah, that's so cool And so it's a poetic language And it's a poetic culture And you would never know this If you didn't deconstruct the language Because not only do I like learning Oh, this is what this means I like learning, this is why it means that Yeah, I love that And since I speak three languages You know, I've gotten that taste Of like, how you say different things in Norwegian Like, up until I started teaching K a little bit in Norwegian I, um, realized that we speak very simply Yeah, she said she's like, oh, it's literally straight up Like, it's, I wouldn't be able to give you an example now But you know, it's just a straight up simple way to say things Yeah, um, so yeah Let's see Yeah, well, like, for example, in English, right You would say, I have a car You know, you don't really need to say anything more than I own a car Yeah, yeah, yeah But we have all of these extra words We have to throw in there, in ways that we say It makes sense, kind of, sexually And like, it's not really needed Because the context is usually given When you're having the conversation Yeah, so we're closing up on an hour And we said an hour, right? Yeah So, um, I'm gonna find, um, what do you think this is?
That was a quick hour Yeah, right? Um, we can do another one before I leave Yeah, yeah Um, I'm gonna ask you one more question That is a little bit personal Alright And then I'm gonna ask you like a series of questions Which is like, either or? It's like five and a half inches Yeah Yeah, I'm gonna get it out That's perfect So, what has surprised you about yourself? Um, when I found out the international was born It happened, I'm just kidding Yeah Yeah Yeah Uh, because you haven't realized me now I'm very free I'm really listening, you know, so you're ready What has surprised me about myself?
Um You know, when I grew up Like, I love my mom very much But she's kind of an anxious person And uh, I grew up being very anxious And um, in America I think that's a little normalized And so I never quite realized How much different In terms of mental health I really was Compared to like, what I would say The average person was And I think traveling And seeing different cultures And just how they live daily And like, you know, what they have Versus what they're concerned about It really puts into perspective All the things I worry about And why it's not that big of a deal You know And it comes down to all worry All worry, yeah Like, some people don't know Where their next meal is coming from And they're smiling You know, like, I'm freaking out If like, I'm $10 short on rent You know what I mean? Like, or if I'm $100 over on rent And I'm gotta buy this thing I'm like, whatever Like, and sometimes it's not even that That's actually kind of an important thing Like, I'm stressed out about stupid shit Like, it's something I said a year ago And some random conversation With a person I'll never meet again Yeah, excuse me overnight You know, like, so I think being exposed to not only Other travelers But also just like, the local cultures Of how they feel think and interact every day And seeing different modalities Of just perception and everyday life Is really putting their perspective Like, the things that matter to me And what should matter to me And it has done wonders for my mental health And also just for like, my philosophical Understanding of the world You know, and I think That is the biggest surprise Because when I thought of traveling It's like, oh yeah, I'll get some worldview And like, you don't really understand What it was worldview Yeah, what does that mean? You can't change your perspective Until you actually experience Yeah, you can't quantify what that is You can't explain anybody What that changes Because it's different for everyone, too It's like somebody that is 40 Trying to explain to one that is 25 How it feels to be 40 You won't know until you're fucking 40 You can try to imagine it, but you can't, right? I mean, I could Like, I imagine when I'm 40 And I was talking to somebody who's 25 I would say You feel like you're 25 In a body that doesn't work very well Yeah, like, everyone I talked to who's older Is just like, there's nothing to be older But just now you're older Like, you don't magically change As a human It's like, I don't know the same way It's just I remember when I lost my virginity I thought I was going to feel different Like, I'm a man now I have telekinesis Or something like You would happen Yeah, like, something would happen And I would feel somehow different You know?
Like, oh, I'm not a virgin Anymore, that means like Now I'm magically different I'm an adult or I'm this And like, what the fuck does that mean? What is being an adult, really? You know, and it's the same kind of a thing It's a label It's a label And so, like, the only real change Comes from experience And from People impacting your perception And your worldview And so, I think that's the biggest thing That came from traveling That's really cool I realized how cool that question is Actually That's a great question So, now we're going to go to that sequence Of questions, we're going to pick one, okay? So, we go, train our bus Oh man, uh, train To your coffee Coffee When it comes to toilets Squats or Western Which everyone has a bum gun Let me tell you this, right?
I like the bum gun Okay, it's a great thing Nobody tells you this When you come to Asia Or like, leave the US But like, imagine, for those of you at home Who don't know if you want to travel or not Imagine every shit you take For the rest of your life Only needing one wipe Yeah Somebody told me that I wouldn't move your long ago It's the fucking truth It's the truth, it's so good It's great, it's awesome Fan or air conditioning Air conditioning, uh Depends on the humidity Yeah, I'm, I'm, we've learned not using anything right now Yeah, because when, when Kayla first left I forgot to put the fan off for the first five days It's good night Yeah, it's winning Yeah, air conditioning is, it feels better But the thing is, if you use air conditioning I guarantee you'll feel worse during the day Yeah, because you can use this and fucking, that's fine It's bad, yeah, I agree fan Strict schedule or go with the flow Well, wow Beer or wine Oh, hot That's, that's, I won't I don't even smell hot if you're gonna pick Yeah, yeah City or countryside Country side Window or aisle seat Oh, window Bunchy jumping, I heard you say it Yes or no? Yeah Solar travel or group travel? Oh, solar travel Solar, if you're with a group, you won't meet the group It's harder to meet new people if you're alone You'll find, you'll have moments You'll be forced to You'll be forced to, you'll have moments of loneliness But that's something you want to confront with yourself Yes, you will, you want to The girl comes from solar travel Group travel is fun And it's way more touristy feeling And it's more like experiencing something Doing, the best thing to do is to go with the group And then leave them Like, like go with your friends to another country And then do your own thing Every so often every couple of days And don't feel like you need to stay with them But it's nice to have a sense of community to come back to That's why Solar travel is because I can do solo travel But not feel like I'm solo So finding that nice mix is Like lights that'll balance right there I feel the same way And then I, you know, podcast, you know, have like a question That they ask all the guests And I've created this question That I'm going to ask everybody For the next thousand episodes of this, of this podcast This is the very first one Ooh So, and I have tried to answer this question by myself And it's hard Personally, I have no clue what people are going to say Because it's just so broad, right? So it's, if the entire world was watching or listening right now What would you say?
Oh, come on Come on It's just, you know, it's a weird question It's a weird question And the reason I find it interesting Is because if you put yourself in the position And would you have the entire world watching you at this very second What would you fucking say? Something would freak the fuck out, right? No, I think You know, I want to say something cheesy Like, love one another That's great That's great That's great, but like the thing is it's going to fall in deaf ears Like everyone says that shit Like, it doesn't do anything I want to say something to everybody that's impactable That means something That will actually change something So as much as it is, like, you know, love everyone else I don't think that's going to change Because you heard that I think the one thing that I would want everyone to do Is to listen to other people And not just hear them And some people even hear other people I think listening And not waiting to respond Listening and internalize what other people think Even if you don't agree with it Is a skill that not only I had to learn But I notice a lot of people need to learn And I think by listening to one another And by conceptualizing what the other one has to say Even if we don't agree We're all going to come to a better place of understanding That as humans, we are all on the same team None of us are on the opposite side of the spectrum On the opposite team We just think about going about being on the same team a different way And like, you know, there are those people out there who are greedy And they don't want what you want But a lot of the people, for example, if we're going to talk about In a political way or something Like, they just have a different concept of how to achieve happiness But the majority of people, the same way that you do They just think of going about it a different way And that comes from their history And whether you agree with it or not, I guarantee you They'll be more human to you if you listen to them Yeah, that's a beautiful, I'm still going to ask you that question Thank you so much for doing this with me, brother Yeah, thank you, man, that was a lot of fun Thank you for listening, guys, and I'll see you in the next